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F is for fightingHobbes said:
Uh oh, the grooming has already begun.Halifax2TheMax said:
The repubs will drop CRT and pursue this new way of teaching the ABCs, banning it from all public schools. In fact, I think Kevin has asked Maggie Three Names to take the lead on drafting the legislation.Hobbes said:
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Right. The only time I root for the AOC’s is when they go up against the MTG’s. I’ve found a happy medium in the middle.benjs said:
That's how I feel. She seems extremely good at being moderate and pragmatic. You hear loud voices from the AOCs and the MTGs, so it'd be great to see more outspoken folks who don't come from the extremes of the parties such as Porter.Hi! said:I don’t want to commit to being a big fan, but as a casual observer, I’ve always liked her. I have seen her during some congressional hearings here & there, and other interviews. Always thought she is very smart and relatable. She seems pretty down to earth, so I’m down!
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Depends on what those loud voices are saying. One speaks for the marginalized and underserved. The other speaks for conspiracy theorists and insurrectionists.benjs said:
That's how I feel. She seems extremely good at being moderate and pragmatic. You hear loud voices from the AOCs and the MTGs, so it'd be great to see more outspoken folks who don't come from the extremes of the parties such as Porter.Hi! said:I don’t want to commit to being a big fan, but as a casual observer, I’ve always liked her. I have seen her during some congressional hearings here & there, and other interviews. Always thought she is very smart and relatable. She seems pretty down to earth, so I’m down!
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If we're talking about the quality of current loud voices in terms of the nobility of the pursuits, I agree with you.Hobbes said:
Depends on what those loud voices are saying. One speaks for the marginalized and underserved. The other speaks for conspiracy theorists and insurrectionists.benjs said:
That's how I feel. She seems extremely good at being moderate and pragmatic. You hear loud voices from the AOCs and the MTGs, so it'd be great to see more outspoken folks who don't come from the extremes of the parties such as Porter.Hi! said:I don’t want to commit to being a big fan, but as a casual observer, I’ve always liked her. I have seen her during some congressional hearings here & there, and other interviews. Always thought she is very smart and relatable. She seems pretty down to earth, so I’m down!
For me, the larger concern is the ability of government to actually make progress. When the extremes of a party are the most vocal and opinionated, it's not a good starting point from the perspectives of negotiations or concessions. If there was a smattering of loud centrists within the parties, I think party dynamics could change for the better, and the likelihood of reaching productive solutions could increase.
PS - I know I'm misusing the term 'centrist' here', but I'm not articulate enough to find one singular word to define 'positioned on the political spectrum in the average spot for the party, as opposed to near the fringes'.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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F is for fightingHobbes said:
Uh oh, the grooming has already begun.Halifax2TheMax said:
The repubs will drop CRT and pursue this new way of teaching the ABCs, banning it from all public schools. In fact, I think Kevin has asked Maggie Three Names to take the lead on drafting the legislation.Hobbes said:
R is for red, our ancestors blood and the battles they shed
E we elect them
E we eject them in the land of the free and the home of the brave
D for your dying
O your overture
M they will cover your grave with manure
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benjs said:
If we're talking about the quality of current loud voices in terms of the nobility of the pursuits, I agree with you.Hobbes said:
Depends on what those loud voices are saying. One speaks for the marginalized and underserved. The other speaks for conspiracy theorists and insurrectionists.benjs said:
That's how I feel. She seems extremely good at being moderate and pragmatic. You hear loud voices from the AOCs and the MTGs, so it'd be great to see more outspoken folks who don't come from the extremes of the parties such as Porter.Hi! said:I don’t want to commit to being a big fan, but as a casual observer, I’ve always liked her. I have seen her during some congressional hearings here & there, and other interviews. Always thought she is very smart and relatable. She seems pretty down to earth, so I’m down!
For me, the larger concern is the ability of government to actually make progress. When the extremes of a party are the most vocal and opinionated, it's not a good starting point from the perspectives of negotiations or concessions. If there was a smattering of loud centrists within the parties, I think party dynamics could change for the better, and the likelihood of reaching productive solutions could increase.
PS - I know I'm misusing the term 'centrist' here', but I'm not articulate enough to find one singular word to define 'positioned on the political spectrum in the average spot for the party, as opposed to near the fringes'.
maybe not centrist but in the center
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The Alan Parsons Project.tempo_n_groove said:
F is for fightingHobbes said:
Uh oh, the grooming has already begun.Halifax2TheMax said:
The repubs will drop CRT and pursue this new way of teaching the ABCs, banning it from all public schools. In fact, I think Kevin has asked Maggie Three Names to take the lead on drafting the legislation.Hobbes said:
R is for red, our ancestors blood and the battles they shed
E we elect them
E we eject them in the land of the free and the home of the brave
D for your dying
O your overture
M they will cover your grave with manure
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Yes, but the center of the party's spectrum range, rather than the overall spectrum (if that makes sense).mickeyrat said:benjs said:
If we're talking about the quality of current loud voices in terms of the nobility of the pursuits, I agree with you.Hobbes said:
Depends on what those loud voices are saying. One speaks for the marginalized and underserved. The other speaks for conspiracy theorists and insurrectionists.benjs said:
That's how I feel. She seems extremely good at being moderate and pragmatic. You hear loud voices from the AOCs and the MTGs, so it'd be great to see more outspoken folks who don't come from the extremes of the parties such as Porter.Hi! said:I don’t want to commit to being a big fan, but as a casual observer, I’ve always liked her. I have seen her during some congressional hearings here & there, and other interviews. Always thought she is very smart and relatable. She seems pretty down to earth, so I’m down!
For me, the larger concern is the ability of government to actually make progress. When the extremes of a party are the most vocal and opinionated, it's not a good starting point from the perspectives of negotiations or concessions. If there was a smattering of loud centrists within the parties, I think party dynamics could change for the better, and the likelihood of reaching productive solutions could increase.
PS - I know I'm misusing the term 'centrist' here', but I'm not articulate enough to find one singular word to define 'positioned on the political spectrum in the average spot for the party, as opposed to near the fringes'.
maybe not centrist but in the center'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Once again. The left, so dumb.
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Flying that off the back of your truck with the nut sack trailer hitch?Out of My Mind and Time said:
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AOC gas stove comment was a really bad attempt at a joke. #1 not funny. #2 just dumb. But when you try to be funny you don't bat 100%.hippiemom = goodness0
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I really wish people wouldn’t put AOC as the dem version of the right wing extremists in the republican party. It diminishes the threat the republicans have become.Hi! said:
Right. The only time I root for the AOC’s is when they go up against the MTG’s. I’ve found a happy medium in the middle.benjs said:
That's how I feel. She seems extremely good at being moderate and pragmatic. You hear loud voices from the AOCs and the MTGs, so it'd be great to see more outspoken folks who don't come from the extremes of the parties such as Porter.Hi! said:I don’t want to commit to being a big fan, but as a casual observer, I’ve always liked her. I have seen her during some congressional hearings here & there, and other interviews. Always thought she is very smart and relatable. She seems pretty down to earth, so I’m down!
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That's not really the point Hi and I are discussing - we're talking about how much better it is when moderate voices speak loudly compared to when the extremes are the only high-volume members.Go Beavers said:
I really wish people wouldn’t put AOC as the dem version of the right wing extremists in the republican party. It diminishes the threat the republicans have become.Hi! said:
Right. The only time I root for the AOC’s is when they go up against the MTG’s. I’ve found a happy medium in the middle.benjs said:
That's how I feel. She seems extremely good at being moderate and pragmatic. You hear loud voices from the AOCs and the MTGs, so it'd be great to see more outspoken folks who don't come from the extremes of the parties such as Porter.Hi! said:I don’t want to commit to being a big fan, but as a casual observer, I’ve always liked her. I have seen her during some congressional hearings here & there, and other interviews. Always thought she is very smart and relatable. She seems pretty down to earth, so I’m down!
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For reals… don’t let them tell you what you can & cant do, bro. You got this.Out of My Mind and Time said:
Once again. The left, so dumb.
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They get media attention, and I’d argue it’s beneficial for the future of the dem party for this to happen. Moderate dems are too conservative and don’t represent enough of the population, in particular younger people. So having more liberal views represented in the party is going to help younger voter turnout.benjs said:
That's not really the point Hi and I are discussing - we're talking about how much better it is when moderate voices speak loudly compared to when the extremes are the only high-volume members.Go Beavers said:
I really wish people wouldn’t put AOC as the dem version of the right wing extremists in the republican party. It diminishes the threat the republicans have become.Hi! said:
Right. The only time I root for the AOC’s is when they go up against the MTG’s. I’ve found a happy medium in the middle.benjs said:
That's how I feel. She seems extremely good at being moderate and pragmatic. You hear loud voices from the AOCs and the MTGs, so it'd be great to see more outspoken folks who don't come from the extremes of the parties such as Porter.Hi! said:I don’t want to commit to being a big fan, but as a casual observer, I’ve always liked her. I have seen her during some congressional hearings here & there, and other interviews. Always thought she is very smart and relatable. She seems pretty down to earth, so I’m down!
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May be a push factor for some, but a pull factor for some - and almost always a bad place to start a negotiation. In a polarized environment like this where the two parties either have a slim minority or a slim majority, that's a serious net negative in the interest of getting shit done.Go Beavers said:
They get media attention, and I’d argue it’s beneficial for the future of the dem party for this to happen. Moderate dems are too conservative and don’t represent enough of the population, in particular younger people. So having more liberal views represented in the party is going to help younger voter turnout.benjs said:
That's not really the point Hi and I are discussing - we're talking about how much better it is when moderate voices speak loudly compared to when the extremes are the only high-volume members.Go Beavers said:
I really wish people wouldn’t put AOC as the dem version of the right wing extremists in the republican party. It diminishes the threat the republicans have become.Hi! said:
Right. The only time I root for the AOC’s is when they go up against the MTG’s. I’ve found a happy medium in the middle.benjs said:
That's how I feel. She seems extremely good at being moderate and pragmatic. You hear loud voices from the AOCs and the MTGs, so it'd be great to see more outspoken folks who don't come from the extremes of the parties such as Porter.Hi! said:I don’t want to commit to being a big fan, but as a casual observer, I’ve always liked her. I have seen her during some congressional hearings here & there, and other interviews. Always thought she is very smart and relatable. She seems pretty down to earth, so I’m down!
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That’s only the case if the people in the party can’t compromise. The dems have an advantage in this area because they’re way more policy centered. Republicans become even more dysfunctional because their platform is emotion based culture war stupidity and there isn’t anything there to negotiate with.benjs said:
May be a push factor for some, but a pull factor for some - and almost always a bad place to start a negotiation. In a polarized environment like this where the two parties either have a slim minority or a slim majority, that's a serious net negative in the interest of getting shit done.Go Beavers said:
They get media attention, and I’d argue it’s beneficial for the future of the dem party for this to happen. Moderate dems are too conservative and don’t represent enough of the population, in particular younger people. So having more liberal views represented in the party is going to help younger voter turnout.benjs said:
That's not really the point Hi and I are discussing - we're talking about how much better it is when moderate voices speak loudly compared to when the extremes are the only high-volume members.Go Beavers said:
I really wish people wouldn’t put AOC as the dem version of the right wing extremists in the republican party. It diminishes the threat the republicans have become.Hi! said:
Right. The only time I root for the AOC’s is when they go up against the MTG’s. I’ve found a happy medium in the middle.benjs said:
That's how I feel. She seems extremely good at being moderate and pragmatic. You hear loud voices from the AOCs and the MTGs, so it'd be great to see more outspoken folks who don't come from the extremes of the parties such as Porter.Hi! said:I don’t want to commit to being a big fan, but as a casual observer, I’ve always liked her. I have seen her during some congressional hearings here & there, and other interviews. Always thought she is very smart and relatable. She seems pretty down to earth, so I’m down!
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Exactly right....they support nothing. I'm interested to see how they frame this balanced budget amendment.Go Beavers said:
That’s only the case if the people in the party can’t compromise. The dems have an advantage in this area because they’re way more policy centered. Republicans become even more dysfunctional because their platform is emotion based culture war stupidity and there isn’t anything there to negotiate with.benjs said:
May be a push factor for some, but a pull factor for some - and almost always a bad place to start a negotiation. In a polarized environment like this where the two parties either have a slim minority or a slim majority, that's a serious net negative in the interest of getting shit done.Go Beavers said:
They get media attention, and I’d argue it’s beneficial for the future of the dem party for this to happen. Moderate dems are too conservative and don’t represent enough of the population, in particular younger people. So having more liberal views represented in the party is going to help younger voter turnout.benjs said:
That's not really the point Hi and I are discussing - we're talking about how much better it is when moderate voices speak loudly compared to when the extremes are the only high-volume members.Go Beavers said:
I really wish people wouldn’t put AOC as the dem version of the right wing extremists in the republican party. It diminishes the threat the republicans have become.Hi! said:
Right. The only time I root for the AOC’s is when they go up against the MTG’s. I’ve found a happy medium in the middle.benjs said:
That's how I feel. She seems extremely good at being moderate and pragmatic. You hear loud voices from the AOCs and the MTGs, so it'd be great to see more outspoken folks who don't come from the extremes of the parties such as Porter.Hi! said:I don’t want to commit to being a big fan, but as a casual observer, I’ve always liked her. I have seen her during some congressional hearings here & there, and other interviews. Always thought she is very smart and relatable. She seems pretty down to earth, so I’m down!
They know it's dead in the water but they trot it out each time they get in power. The closest we ever come to a balanced budget is when a Dem is in office. This is historical fact.
Imagine that this amendment actually passes...then imagine the next GOP president having to deal with a budget that cuts enough spending (would have to be defense spending) in order to balance the budget...UNLESS they raise taxes....that would be a glorious situation for the GOP.
The balanced budget sounds great but it won't work without tax increases on a yearly basis.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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