I imagine the lion's share of membership dues goes to 10c operating costs. Unlikely the band is seeing many of those dollars. Their money is coming from the merch.
As I work in finance I wonder about this too. Because the lines are blurred between 10c and the band. Most of the band fan clubs are separate from the day to day operations, but 10c seems to pretty much handle everything PJ related, so it's more than a fan club. If our dues pay to operate the 10c are we self sourcing the bands entire operation? Most bands would fund that through merch they sell online and other revenues.
Maybe dues only cover part of the operation and some does get allocation from online merch sales to it... but I have always wondered, because 10c handles more than just the 10c side of Pearl Jam.
I imagine the lion's share of membership dues goes to 10c operating costs. Unlikely the band is seeing many of those dollars. Their money is coming from the merch.
There is a flip side to that though. Even without the membership fees, having a list of your most hardcore fans, along with their addresses, their ticket and merch buying habits, and how far they will travel to see a show is incredibly valuable. There is a reason that just about every grocery store has a frequent shopper card that gives you discounts for free. So not only is the band getting, a now increased, membership fee from members, but they also get a bunch of valuable data.
This is exactly right. And they are looking at that data and saying - hey these peoples are suckers and content paying us for no real benefits, and we can increase the price this much and still retain the majority of them. It’s shitty business practice from a band that once preached from a moral high ground about putting the fans first. Clear that is not what is happening here.
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Honestly surprised so many of you were digital. I have been since the split to two tiers, but I always got the sense most on here were analog.
I never saw the benefit of Analog. They got so lazy with the shirts and magazine production those have no value to me.
08 -MSG I.eV Newark.Stone in BK. 09 -Spectrum II,III,IV. 10- Prudential Center.MSG I,II. Bridge School Benefit Nights I, II. 11- eV NY I, II. Bridge School Benefit Night II (eV solo). 12- Made in America Festival. 13- Oakland. 14- Bridge School Benefit Nights I, II. 17- eV Ohana. 18- Seattle I, II. 21- SHN. 22- ev & Earthlings Beacon, MSG, Camden. 23- eV & Earthlings Ohana. 24 - MSG I, II
Honestly surprised so many of you were digital. I have been since the split to two tiers, but I always got the sense most on here were analog.
I never saw the benefit of Analog. They got so lazy with the shirts and magazine production those have no value to me.
I kept Analog, and I just order the shirts in the smallest sizes so my 11 year old daughter can wear them.
However, She is all of 60 lbs, and has been wearing a Women's large tour shirt from a mystery box for a few years, which fits her because the women's shirts are so poorly sized.
Are you allowed to gift others the $10 bootleg code? I have no use for it. And I’m not a fan at all of the price increase. If I wanted the other stuff, I would just buy it on my own
I don't believe so.
You really have limited options here: 1) Give someone your 10C password.
2) Download the show for them and then send them a copy, which is technically against the rules since we're not supposed to trade shows which are for sale.
3) Eat the code and do nothing.
4) Other
Would be cool if 10 would send us bootleg cards. I don't do downloads, or flac (and only CDs when something I want is not on vinyl), but if I they were to send download cards I would give them to friends who cared.
There ya go. Send the code via email.
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The bottom line is if you want to have a chance to see PJ live with a decent seat or GA ticket a 10c membership is still the best option even at the new pricing. Unless it appears if you live in Australia, unfortunately you guys are getting hosed and trust me the band doesn't care. At this point it is all green disease. I get it the lottery sucks, ticket prices are getting stupid and the band plays fewer shows now and they are shorter sets. However it's not going get any better. Every year benefits get taken away but if you want to see this band it is what it is. For some it may make sense just to pay scalper prices for a specific show in your town and be done with it. Hopefully the price increase will keep some of the scalpers out of the ticket lottery but I doubt it. As long as it makes sense for me I will continue to maintain my membership but everyone has their own reality and should act accordingly but don't expect the band to be concerned about your issues with the new policies as shitty as they are.
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The bottom line is if you want to have a chance to see PJ live with a decent seat or GA ticket a 10c membership is still the best option even at the new pricing. Unless it appears if you live in Australia, unfortunately you guys are getting hosed and trust me the band doesn't care. At this point it is all green disease. I get it the lottery sucks, ticket prices are getting stupid and the band plays fewer shows now and they are shorter sets. However it's not going get any better. Every year benefits get taken away but if you want to see this band it is what it is. For some it may make sense just to pay scalper prices for a specific show in your town and be done with it. Hopefully the price increase will keep some of the scalpers out of the ticket lottery but I doubt it. As long as it makes sense for me I will continue to maintain my membership but everyone has their own reality and should act accordingly but don't expect the band to be concerned about your issues with the new policies as shitty as they are.
Like other Aussies comments I’m finding it difficult to justify continuing membership now (have been Analog) especially since I’ve retired.
However I do love to support PJ so will wait until their next tour here (if any) which I’m sure will be their final one here, to see if I do indeed get a decent seat. In 4 PJ & EV gigs here only 2 were seated and had shit seats. Ironically the best seats I had were in St. Louis in ‘14 when I had my vacation already booked!!
This is like PJ's version of the Jelly of the Month Club
It’s the gift that keeps on giving
1996.....Toronto 2005.....Hamilton 2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton 2013.....London, Buffalo 2014.....Detroit 2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1 2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2 2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto 2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2 2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2 2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Are you allowed to gift others the $10 bootleg code? I have no use for it. And I’m not a fan at all of the price increase. If I wanted the other stuff, I would just buy it on my own
I don't believe so.
You really have limited options here: 1) Give someone your 10C password.
2) Download the show for them and then send them a copy, which is technically against the rules since we're not supposed to trade shows which are for sale.
3) Eat the code and do nothing.
4) Other
Would be cool if 10 would send us bootleg cards. I don't do downloads, or flac (and only CDs when something I want is not on vinyl), but if I they were to send download cards I would give them to friends who cared.
There ya go. Send the code via email.
Ya! Even better!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I was strongly considering ending my membership even at the $20 annual fee before this announcement; but the cost increase from $20 to $35 USD has pushed me over the edge and I will not renew.
It's a shame giving up the seniority of a 113XXX membership number; but at least the folks behind me get to move up a bit more at seated shows.
The bottom line is if you want to have a chance to see PJ live with a decent seat or GA ticket a 10c membership is still the best option even at the new pricing. Unless it appears if you live in Australia, unfortunately you guys are getting hosed and trust me the band doesn't care. At this point it is all green disease. I get it the lottery sucks, ticket prices are getting stupid and the band plays fewer shows now and they are shorter sets. However it's not going get any better. Every year benefits get taken away but if you want to see this band it is what it is. For some it may make sense just to pay scalper prices for a specific show in your town and be done with it. Hopefully the price increase will keep some of the scalpers out of the ticket lottery but I doubt it. As long as it makes sense for me I will continue to maintain my membership but everyone has their own reality and should act accordingly but don't expect the band to be concerned about your issues with the new policies as shitty as they are.
Like other Aussies comments I’m finding it difficult to justify continuing membership now (have been Analog) especially since I’ve retired.
However I do love to support PJ so will wait until their next tour here (if any) which I’m sure will be their final one here, to see if I do indeed get a decent seat. In 4 PJ & EV gigs here only 2 were seated and had shit seats. Ironically the best seats I had were in St. Louis in ‘14 when I had my vacation already booked!!
The best seats I got through the 10c was in Melbourne in 2006 which was 3rd row center. But the two Ed tours here and the next 2 PJ tours I just got tickets through the ticketmaster/ticketek pre-sale things.
I am still not going to cancel my membership, but I am not sure the seniority will matter moving forward.
I am just hopeful of another Australian tour, I am going to do my best to go to as many shows around the country I can.
Melbourne:
March 17 1995,
March 18 1995,
March 2 1998,
February 18 2003, November 13 2006, November 20 2009,
January 24 2014, November 16 2024, November 18 2024. Sydney: November 21 2024, November 23 2024
The bottom line is if you want to have a chance to see PJ live with a decent seat or GA ticket a 10c membership is still the best option even at the new pricing. Unless it appears if you live in Australia, unfortunately you guys are getting hosed and trust me the band doesn't care. At this point it is all green disease. I get it the lottery sucks, ticket prices are getting stupid and the band plays fewer shows now and they are shorter sets. However it's not going get any better. Every year benefits get taken away but if you want to see this band it is what it is. For some it may make sense just to pay scalper prices for a specific show in your town and be done with it. Hopefully the price increase will keep some of the scalpers out of the ticket lottery but I doubt it. As long as it makes sense for me I will continue to maintain my membership but everyone has their own reality and should act accordingly but don't expect the band to be concerned about your issues with the new policies as shitty as they are.
Like other Aussies comments I’m finding it difficult to justify continuing membership now (have been Analog) especially since I’ve retired.
However I do love to support PJ so will wait until their next tour here (if any) which I’m sure will be their final one here, to see if I do indeed get a decent seat. In 4 PJ & EV gigs here only 2 were seated and had shit seats. Ironically the best seats I had were in St. Louis in ‘14 when I had my vacation already booked!!
The best seats I got through the 10c was in Melbourne in 2006 which was 3rd row center. But the two Ed tours here and the next 2 PJ tours I just got tickets through the ticketmaster/ticketek pre-sale things.
I am still not going to cancel my membership, but I am not sure the seniority will matter moving forward.
I am just hopeful of another Australian tour, I am going to do my best to go to as many shows around the country I can.
For Australian fans, the seniority probably won't matter much, if at all.
For USA fans, it'll continue to matter...unless those fans get lucky in Fan2Fan.
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My 10c renewal fees went through today. $68.48 Canadian. I spent more than that on a tray of shooters for the team at the staff Xmas party in Winnipeg last night.
new membership is amazing NOT vinyl not no more deep magazine not more t shirt not more im sorry but how downhill has the 10c become i know times have changed but fuck me its poor
Damn never realized that from $20 to 35 would mind fuck so many people! I’ve never been a collector as a matter of fact I’ve left a bunch of bootleg codes unused, I’m in it for the tickets only and won’t cancel after all these years
Agreed. Guess they stepped up the designs a bit since it's now a pay extra item. Honestly I loved the singles. They got axed. I liked the shirts and actually wore them. They got the boot too. I've never once used a digital code from my membership. $5 or whatever cheaper from now on, but I get virtually nothing. I haven't gotten a ticket in a decade. I'm a bit salty about the changes.
I thought that additional email was going to be about price rise and how it was necessary to keep 10c going. Member shirt is one of the best if not the best yet. I quite like the 10c yellow logo one. I want to say that was around 2016. I'm sure people will like the license plates, I just can't justify any of these with postage to the UK and sales tax.
For clarification... and correct me if I'm wrong here... but we used to pay into a membership and get:
Priority Ticketing (no additional cost to 10C) 45" Vinyl (Additional Cost to 10C) Physical magazine (Additional Cost to 10C) T-Shirt (Additional Cost to 10C) Bootleg code (no additional cost to 10C)
Now we get:
Priority Ticketing Bootleg code
So.... why not lower the membership fee to a more reasonable level if they're cutting a lot of their operational costs?
And also... I could be in the minority here... but over the past 5-6 years... the value of a bootleg code has diminished substantially. Streaming and physical media are my only means of listening to music nowadays. I have a library of mp3s that I never see or use anymore.
(Side Note: If any of you are aware of a neat app or something that let's you upload mp3s onto a modern smart phone, let me know!)
As a suggestion.... It would be nice to see if they can find a way to add more value:
Offer free or "steeply discounted" XM Sirius PJ Radio instead of website PJ Radio. Or provide us somehow with access to the exclusive interviews and shows from PJ Radio on Sirius XM.
Offer free commemorative tickets.
Just a couple ideas.
And I mean.. my usage of the word 'free' here isn't exactly accurate... we're all still paying $35USD.
The jury is out on what kind of value the exclusive videos will hold... and I'm not discounting that yet. Could be very worth the cost... but we shall see.
Toronto 2000
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013 Toronto I&II 2016 10C: 220xxx
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However, She is all of 60 lbs, and has been wearing a Women's large tour shirt from a mystery box for a few years, which fits her because the women's shirts are so poorly sized.
There ya go. Send the code via email.
At this point it is all green disease.
I get it the lottery sucks, ticket prices are getting stupid and the band plays fewer shows now and they are shorter sets. However it's not going get any better. Every year benefits get taken away but if you want to see this band it is what it is. For some it may make sense just to pay scalper prices for a specific show in your town and be done with it. Hopefully the price increase will keep some of the scalpers out of the ticket lottery but I doubt it. As long as it makes sense for me I will continue to maintain my membership but everyone has their own reality and should act accordingly but don't expect the band to be concerned about your issues with the new policies as shitty as they are.
9/02/18 Boston, 9/04/18 Boston, 9/11/22 New York, 9/16/22 Nashville, 9/22/22 Denver, 8/31/23, St. Paul, 9/2/23 St. Paul, 9/18/23 Austin, 9/19/23 Austin
(with how expensive it all got with custom charges and stuff on everything sent)
2005.....Hamilton
2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton
2013.....London, Buffalo
2014.....Detroit
2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1
2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2
2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Ya! Even better!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
It's a shame giving up the seniority of a 113XXX membership number; but at least the folks behind me get to move up a bit more at seated shows.
Sydney: November 21 2024, November 23 2024
For Australian fans, the seniority probably won't matter much, if at all.
For USA fans, it'll continue to matter...unless those fans get lucky in Fan2Fan.
vinyl not no more
deep magazine not more
t shirt not more
im sorry but how downhill has the 10c become i know times have changed but fuck me its poor
I wear them. The white analog one was my least favorite one.
astoria 06
albany 06
hartford 06
reading 06
barcelona 06
paris 06
wembley 07
dusseldorf 07
nijmegen 07
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
Lame $50 Canadian and still have to pay for member items that should be included as a member 🤦♂️
How can costs go up when we really get nothing in return.
-Seattle,Wash-Key Arena-9/22/9 -Pemberton,B.C-7/17/16
-Vancouver,B.C-GM Place -9/25/9 -Seattle,Wash-Safeco Field-8/8/18
-Vancouver,B.C-Pacific Coliseum-9/25/11 -Seattle,Wash-Safeco Field-8/10/18
-Misoula,MT-Adams Field House-9/30/12 -Vancouver,BC-Rogers Arena-5/4/24
Priority Ticketing (no additional cost to 10C)
45" Vinyl (Additional Cost to 10C)
Physical magazine (Additional Cost to 10C)
T-Shirt (Additional Cost to 10C)
Bootleg code (no additional cost to 10C)
Now we get:
Priority Ticketing
Bootleg code
So.... why not lower the membership fee to a more reasonable level if they're cutting a lot of their operational costs?
And also... I could be in the minority here... but over the past 5-6 years... the value of a bootleg code has diminished substantially. Streaming and physical media are my only means of listening to music nowadays. I have a library of mp3s that I never see or use anymore.
(Side Note: If any of you are aware of a neat app or something that let's you upload mp3s onto a modern smart phone, let me know!)
As a suggestion.... It would be nice to see if they can find a way to add more value:
Offer free or "steeply discounted" XM Sirius PJ Radio instead of website PJ Radio. Or provide us somehow with access to the exclusive interviews and shows from PJ Radio on Sirius XM.
Offer free commemorative tickets.
Just a couple ideas.
And I mean.. my usage of the word 'free' here isn't exactly accurate... we're all still paying $35USD.
The jury is out on what kind of value the exclusive videos will hold... and I'm not discounting that yet. Could be very worth the cost... but we shall see.
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
Toronto I&II 2016
10C: 220xxx