Jury recommends life in prison without parole for Parkland school shooter

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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,438
    mace1229 said:
    He’s asking about the graph you posted. I had the same crime. He is capital punishment reserves for ordinary crimes i America? What ordinary crime gets the death sentence here?
    Murder?

    Or what is so hard to understand? You should have a way better understanding of your system than I do.
    Murder is not "an ordinary crime".  That is what doesn't make sense.  What out of touch sociopath created this graph?
    Lol. For real 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,548
    mickeyrat said:
    capital murder is an ordinary crime?
    What are you trying to say

    what does the legend state dark red means? hmm?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,014
    I was wondering the same thing about "ordinary crimes" being related to capitol punishment.  Amnesty International should know better than to publish something so poorly constructed. 
    But this touches on a far-reaching problem- the inability to form a logical and sensible argument. No wonder society is becoming so unhinged.  Ugh...
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,361
    mace1229 said:
    He’s asking about the graph you posted. I had the same crime. He is capital punishment reserves for ordinary crimes i America? What ordinary crime gets the death sentence here?
    Murder?

    Or what is so hard to understand? You should have a way better understanding of your system than I do.
    Murder is not "an ordinary crime".  That is what doesn't make sense.  What out of touch sociopath created this graph?
    Exactly this. If I wasn't living here, I'd think you could get the death sentence for stealing bread. That is an ordinary crime. First degree murder is not. 
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    He’s asking about the graph you posted. I had the same crime. He is capital punishment reserves for ordinary crimes i America? What ordinary crime gets the death sentence here?
    Murder?

    Or what is so hard to understand? You should have a way better understanding of your system than I do.
    Murder is not "an ordinary crime".  That is what doesn't make sense.  What out of touch sociopath created this graph?
    Exactly this. If I wasn't living here, I'd think you could get the death sentence for stealing bread. That is an ordinary crime. First degree murder is not. 
    The graphic did define the extraordinary crimes as terrorism and military crimes 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,136
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    That's a weird graphic, particularly since some countries might actually execute for actual ordinary crimes like, vandalizing street signs or something (hopefully not, but who knows?)

    I'd need a decent list of what these "exceptional crimes" are as well as "ordinary crimes."

    That said, the US isn't in the best of company here. Add to that that we probably imprison a  higher proportion of our population than anyone, and "soft on crime" doesn't really seem to be the problem people make it out to be.
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  • mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    He’s asking about the graph you posted. I had the same crime. He is capital punishment reserves for ordinary crimes i America? What ordinary crime gets the death sentence here?
    Murder?

    Or what is so hard to understand? You should have a way better understanding of your system than I do.
    Murder is not "an ordinary crime".  That is what doesn't make sense.  What out of touch sociopath created this graph?
    Exactly this. If I wasn't living here, I'd think you could get the death sentence for stealing bread. That is an ordinary crime. First degree murder is not. 
    The graphic did define the extraordinary crimes as terrorism and military crimes 
    A military crime to me is treason, not murder though.
  • Murder is a very “ordinary” crime in ‘Murica. If not, why the degrees? If not, why the inability to reasonably restrict firearms? Oh, silly me, 2A. Why sentencing disparities and fancy definitions, like “crime of passion,” “stood their ground,” or “self defence?” Why “accidental” or “with a car, drunk,” is different than “shot them while they slept?” Because murder in ‘Murica is ordinary. Pro-life my ass.
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  • Hell, there is a whole entertainment industry built upon the real life murders of people in ‘Murica and we seem to celebrate the celebrity of it. Dahmer anyone? Yea, pretty ordinary.
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  • Murder is a very “ordinary” crime in ‘Murica. If not, why the degrees? If not, why the inability to reasonably restrict firearms? Oh, silly me, 2A. Why sentencing disparities and fancy definitions, like “crime of passion,” “stood their ground,” or “self defence?” Why “accidental” or “with a car, drunk,” is different than “shot them while they slept?” Because murder in ‘Murica is ordinary. Pro-life my ass.
    Firearms are restricted... Not to the degree you'd like but they are.

    We are also fascinated by the macabre, hence the new found interest in Dahmer.  We haven't had, thank goodness, someone like Dahmer in 30 years.


  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,548
    Murder is a very “ordinary” crime in ‘Murica. If not, why the degrees? If not, why the inability to reasonably restrict firearms? Oh, silly me, 2A. Why sentencing disparities and fancy definitions, like “crime of passion,” “stood their ground,” or “self defence?” Why “accidental” or “with a car, drunk,” is different than “shot them while they slept?” Because murder in ‘Murica is ordinary. Pro-life my ass.
    Firearms are restricted... Not to the degree you'd like but they are.

    We are also fascinated by the macabre, hence the new found interest in Dahmer.  We haven't had, thank goodness, someone like Dahmer in 30 years.


    that we know of....

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  • Murder is a very “ordinary” crime in ‘Murica. If not, why the degrees? If not, why the inability to reasonably restrict firearms? Oh, silly me, 2A. Why sentencing disparities and fancy definitions, like “crime of passion,” “stood their ground,” or “self defence?” Why “accidental” or “with a car, drunk,” is different than “shot them while they slept?” Because murder in ‘Murica is ordinary. Pro-life my ass.
    Firearms are restricted... Not to the degree you'd like but they are.

    We are also fascinated by the macabre, hence the new found interest in Dahmer.  We haven't had, thank goodness, someone like Dahmer in 30 years.


    Four guys shot, chopped up and tossed in a river in OK. Seems almost “ordinary.”

    And those violations of firearms restrictions sure do put the hurt on the ease of availability, access and “responsible” use, possession and ownership, right?
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  • mickeyrat said:
    Murder is a very “ordinary” crime in ‘Murica. If not, why the degrees? If not, why the inability to reasonably restrict firearms? Oh, silly me, 2A. Why sentencing disparities and fancy definitions, like “crime of passion,” “stood their ground,” or “self defence?” Why “accidental” or “with a car, drunk,” is different than “shot them while they slept?” Because murder in ‘Murica is ordinary. Pro-life my ass.
    Firearms are restricted... Not to the degree you'd like but they are.

    We are also fascinated by the macabre, hence the new found interest in Dahmer.  We haven't had, thank goodness, someone like Dahmer in 30 years.


    that we know of....

    With all the eyes in the sky and stuff and 24hr news,maybe they get caught doing stupid shit early before they do more?
  • Murder is a very “ordinary” crime in ‘Murica. If not, why the degrees? If not, why the inability to reasonably restrict firearms? Oh, silly me, 2A. Why sentencing disparities and fancy definitions, like “crime of passion,” “stood their ground,” or “self defence?” Why “accidental” or “with a car, drunk,” is different than “shot them while they slept?” Because murder in ‘Murica is ordinary. Pro-life my ass.
    Firearms are restricted... Not to the degree you'd like but they are.

    We are also fascinated by the macabre, hence the new found interest in Dahmer.  We haven't had, thank goodness, someone like Dahmer in 30 years.


    Four guys shot, chopped up and tossed in a river in OK. Seems almost “ordinary.”

    And those violations of firearms restrictions sure do put the hurt on the ease of availability, access and “responsible” use, possession and ownership, right?
    4 people is nothing to what Dahmer did.  Not in any stretch.  Not saying that it's nothing either but what he did was literally insane.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,014
    Hell, there is a whole entertainment industry built upon the real life murders of people in ‘Murica and we seem to celebrate the celebrity of it. Dahmer anyone? Yea, pretty ordinary.

    No shit!  Imagine being a family members of one of Dahmer's victims and seeing his horrific acts being glorified on television and having hoards of Americans eat that shit up.  It's disgusting.  This country loves violence.  It thrives on violence.  It has become defined by violence. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,548
    brianlux said:
    Hell, there is a whole entertainment industry built upon the real life murders of people in ‘Murica and we seem to celebrate the celebrity of it. Dahmer anyone? Yea, pretty ordinary.

    No shit!  Imagine being a family members of one of Dahmer's victims and seeing his horrific acts being glorified on television and having hoards of Americans eat that shit up.  It's disgusting.  This country loves violence.  It thrives on violence.  It has become defined by violence. 
    cmon. it was founded on violence. not only establishing rhe nation but as colonies too..

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,014
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    Hell, there is a whole entertainment industry built upon the real life murders of people in ‘Murica and we seem to celebrate the celebrity of it. Dahmer anyone? Yea, pretty ordinary.

    No shit!  Imagine being a family members of one of Dahmer's victims and seeing his horrific acts being glorified on television and having hoards of Americans eat that shit up.  It's disgusting.  This country loves violence.  It thrives on violence.  It has become defined by violence. 
    cmon. it was founded on violence. not only establishing rhe nation but as colonies too..


    This is true to a very big degree but not all was founded on violence.  My Amish relatives going way back, for example, move here to gain religious freedom.  I believe others did as well. 
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  • brianlux said:
    Hell, there is a whole entertainment industry built upon the real life murders of people in ‘Murica and we seem to celebrate the celebrity of it. Dahmer anyone? Yea, pretty ordinary.

    No shit!  Imagine being a family members of one of Dahmer's victims and seeing his horrific acts being glorified on television and having hoards of Americans eat that shit up.  It's disgusting.  This country loves violence.  It thrives on violence.  It has become defined by violence. 
    Those families, if mentioned, are supposed to be paid I believe.  They started doing this because of Manson I think?  One of the crazies was making money and the deceased families were entitled to it.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,442
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    Hell, there is a whole entertainment industry built upon the real life murders of people in ‘Murica and we seem to celebrate the celebrity of it. Dahmer anyone? Yea, pretty ordinary.

    No shit!  Imagine being a family members of one of Dahmer's victims and seeing his horrific acts being glorified on television and having hoards of Americans eat that shit up.  It's disgusting.  This country loves violence.  It thrives on violence.  It has become defined by violence. 
    cmon. it was founded on violence. not only establishing rhe nation but as colonies too..


    This is true to a very big degree but not all was founded on violence.  My Amish relatives going way back, for example, move here to gain religious freedom.  I believe others did as well. 
    What country or area of land was not "founded" by violence?  I'm seriously asking, cause in my head it seems that most land, etc was won via war.
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  • brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    Hell, there is a whole entertainment industry built upon the real life murders of people in ‘Murica and we seem to celebrate the celebrity of it. Dahmer anyone? Yea, pretty ordinary.

    No shit!  Imagine being a family members of one of Dahmer's victims and seeing his horrific acts being glorified on television and having hoards of Americans eat that shit up.  It's disgusting.  This country loves violence.  It thrives on violence.  It has become defined by violence. 
    cmon. it was founded on violence. not only establishing rhe nation but as colonies too..


    This is true to a very big degree but not all was founded on violence.  My Amish relatives going way back, for example, move here to gain religious freedom.  I believe others did as well. 
    What country or area of land was not "founded" by violence?  I'm seriously asking, cause in my head it seems that most land, etc was won via war.
    missed your comment before posting mine. totally agree. this "founded on violence" as an excuse for violence in america is crap. 
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  • name one country that started out as a kumbaya 'round the fire. 
    Mesopotamia!  I win!!!
  • name one country that started out as a kumbaya 'round the fire. 
    Mesopotamia!  I win!!!
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,361
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    Hell, there is a whole entertainment industry built upon the real life murders of people in ‘Murica and we seem to celebrate the celebrity of it. Dahmer anyone? Yea, pretty ordinary.

    No shit!  Imagine being a family members of one of Dahmer's victims and seeing his horrific acts being glorified on television and having hoards of Americans eat that shit up.  It's disgusting.  This country loves violence.  It thrives on violence.  It has become defined by violence. 
    cmon. it was founded on violence. not only establishing rhe nation but as colonies too..

    How many countries got their independence and kept it without any violence?  Many countries have a far more violent history than USA does.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,361
    name one country that started out as a kumbaya 'round the fire. 
    I should have kept scrolling before adding the same comment again.
  • haha we both did that. 
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  • mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    Hell, there is a whole entertainment industry built upon the real life murders of people in ‘Murica and we seem to celebrate the celebrity of it. Dahmer anyone? Yea, pretty ordinary.

    No shit!  Imagine being a family members of one of Dahmer's victims and seeing his horrific acts being glorified on television and having hoards of Americans eat that shit up.  It's disgusting.  This country loves violence.  It thrives on violence.  It has become defined by violence. 
    cmon. it was founded on violence. not only establishing rhe nation but as colonies too..

    How many countries got their independence and kept it without any violence?  Many countries have a far more violent history than USA does.
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  • name one country that started out as a kumbaya 'round the fire. 
    Mesopotamia!  I win!!!
    go buy yourself some socks. 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,442
    name one country that started out as a kumbaya 'round the fire. 
    Mesopotamia!  I win!!!
    go buy yourself some socks. 
    My expansive PJ collection is immense and it is mostly known for it's socks... Talk about pigeonholed...
    Pigeontoed
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  • name one country that started out as a kumbaya 'round the fire. 
    Mesopotamia!  I win!!!
    go buy yourself some socks. 
    My expansive PJ collection is immense and it is mostly known for it's socks... Talk about pigeonholed...
    Pigeontoed
    lol, that's good!
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