Jury recommends life in prison without parole for Parkland school shooter

JojoRice

Very disappointing in the ruling.  POS shouldn't be breathing. 

HughFreakingDillon

I prefer people like this suffer for the rest of their lives, rather than getting the easy way out. 

tempo_n_groove

He won't last long in prison.

The Juggler

HughFreakingDillon said:

I prefer people like this suffer for the rest of their lives, rather than getting the easy way out. 

Agreed

gimmesometruth27

i think everyone is pissed at the sentence. even those of us that oppose the death penalty.

brianlux

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

mickeyrat

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

some well and truly earn that fate.

josevolution

Let all the shooters rot in jail! I don’t believe putting them to death would be a deterrent at all! All this begins at home parenting is so vital..

Spiritual_Chaos

Being of a philosophical stance that the state should A-OK murdering people. Yikes.

The EU banning the death penalty for member states, is one thing that makes me go ”wow, politics can be something on a higher level, other than just ugly populist sucking up for easy votes and honing in on peoples reptile brains”. 

Fuck that guy though. And it is a shame tax-payers money will have to be payed for the rest of his existance. He should pay off of the cost of his prison time himself. And never feel like a day has been worth living again. 

cincybearcat

I’d prefer he no longer be breathing. It’s things like this that still have me ok with the death penalty in obvious cases.

Gern Blansten

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

maybe he thinks the guy doesn't deserve to live even though he opposes the DP. 

brianlux

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

I did but I didn't.  My preference would be for people who murder children to be whisked off by aliens, or commit suicide or die of a heart attach or something.  I hate the idea of putting people to death and I hate the idea of murderers of children being allowed to live at the expense of tax payers.  It's a no-win situation as far as I'm concerned. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

maybe he thinks the guy doesn't deserve to live even though he opposes the DP. 

^^^This.

Ledbetterman10

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

I did but I didn't.  My preference would be for people who murder children to be whisked off by aliens, or commit suicide or die of a heart attach or something.  I hate the idea of putting people to death and I hate the idea of murderers of children being allowed to live at the expense of tax payers.  It's a no-win situation as far as I'm concerned. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

maybe he thinks the guy doesn't deserve to live even though he opposes the DP. 

^^^This.

So you want them dead, you just don’t want them killed. Or will the aliens put the murderers in an alien-prison that our tax dollars won’t have to pay for? 

cincybearcat

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

I did but I didn't.  My preference would be for people who murder children to be whisked off by aliens, or commit suicide or die of a heart attach or something.  I hate the idea of putting people to death and I hate the idea of murderers of children being allowed to live at the expense of tax payers.  It's a no-win situation as far as I'm concerned. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

maybe he thinks the guy doesn't deserve to live even though he opposes the DP. 

^^^This.

So you want them dead, you just don’t want them killed. Or will the aliens put the murderers in an alien-prison that our tax dollars won’t have to pay for? 

Is it really that hard to understand what Brian was saying? He’s against the death penalty but a case like this gives him pause…. 

It has nothing to do with taxes (I don’t think).

Ledbetterman10

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

I did but I didn't.  My preference would be for people who murder children to be whisked off by aliens, or commit suicide or die of a heart attach or something.  I hate the idea of putting people to death and I hate the idea of murderers of children being allowed to live at the expense of tax payers.  It's a no-win situation as far as I'm concerned. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

maybe he thinks the guy doesn't deserve to live even though he opposes the DP. 

^^^This.

So you want them dead, you just don’t want them killed. Or will the aliens put the murderers in an alien-prison that our tax dollars won’t have to pay for? 

Is it really that hard to understand what Brian was saying? He’s against the death penalty but a case like this gives him pause…. 

It has nothing to do with taxes (I don’t think).

He mentioned taxes. “I hate the idea of murderers of children being allowed to live at the expense of tax payers” is the quote. 

But forget the taxes. You ask if it’s hard to understand what he’s saying. No it’s not. On one hand, he wants to take the moral high ground and be against the death penalty, but on the other hand, he wants them to die of a heart attack or suicide. So he wants them dead either way. So he’s anti-death penalty from a legality standpoint for murderers, but he’s still pro-death for them. If he wants them dead (as I do), lethal injections have a higher success rate than wishing for heart attacks. 

mickeyrat

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

I did but I didn't.  My preference would be for people who murder children to be whisked off by aliens, or commit suicide or die of a heart attach or something.  I hate the idea of putting people to death and I hate the idea of murderers of children being allowed to live at the expense of tax payers.  It's a no-win situation as far as I'm concerned. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

maybe he thinks the guy doesn't deserve to live even though he opposes the DP. 

^^^This.

So you want them dead, you just don’t want them killed. Or will the aliens put the murderers in an alien-prison that our tax dollars won’t have to pay for? 

Is it really that hard to understand what Brian was saying? He’s against the death penalty but a case like this gives him pause…. 

It has nothing to do with taxes (I don’t think).

He mentioned taxes. “I hate the idea of murderers of children being allowed to live at the expense of tax payers” is the quote. 

But forget the taxes. You ask if it’s hard to understand what he’s saying. No it’s not. On one hand, he wants to take the moral high ground and be against the death penalty, but on the other hand, he wants them to die of a heart attack or suicide. So he wants them dead either way. So he’s anti-death penalty from a legality standpoint for murderers, but he’s still pro-death for them. If he wants them dead (as I do), lethal injections have a higher success rate than wishing for heart attacks. 

humans are contradictory beings.

its like believing in the Constitution and bill of rights. Esp the 1st. At times its real hard to hear other peoples shit.

do find it interesting tjough, theres a moratorium federaly I think, but its a state choice.....

Gern Blansten

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

I did but I didn't.  My preference would be for people who murder children to be whisked off by aliens, or commit suicide or die of a heart attach or something.  I hate the idea of putting people to death and I hate the idea of murderers of children being allowed to live at the expense of tax payers.  It's a no-win situation as far as I'm concerned. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

maybe he thinks the guy doesn't deserve to live even though he opposes the DP. 

^^^This.

Ok so you do support the death penalty...just one that is guided by medical ailments rather than the state. To me there is no difference although I do want the DP only given to those that admit guilt or are proven to be guilty without question.

It will be hard to find a 100% agreement on a jury though. It sounds like it used to be majority rule and now it has to be unanimous?

brianlux

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

I did but I didn't.  My preference would be for people who murder children to be whisked off by aliens, or commit suicide or die of a heart attach or something.  I hate the idea of putting people to death and I hate the idea of murderers of children being allowed to live at the expense of tax payers.  It's a no-win situation as far as I'm concerned. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

maybe he thinks the guy doesn't deserve to live even though he opposes the DP. 

^^^This.

So you want them dead, you just don’t want them killed. Or will the aliens put the murderers in an alien-prison that our tax dollars won’t have to pay for? 

Is it really that hard to understand what Brian was saying? He’s against the death penalty but a case like this gives him pause…. 

It has nothing to do with taxes (I don’t think).

Thank you, Cincy. 

Yeah, I think what I said is simple enough to understand.

brianlux

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

I did but I didn't.  My preference would be for people who murder children to be whisked off by aliens, or commit suicide or die of a heart attach or something.  I hate the idea of putting people to death and I hate the idea of murderers of children being allowed to live at the expense of tax payers.  It's a no-win situation as far as I'm concerned. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

maybe he thinks the guy doesn't deserve to live even though he opposes the DP. 

^^^This.

Ok so you do support the death penalty...just one that is guided by medical ailments rather than the state. To me there is no difference although I do want the DP only given to those that admit guilt or are proven to be guilty without question.

It will be hard to find a 100% agreement on a jury though. It sounds like it used to be majority rule and now it has to be unanimous?

Why did you misquote me? 

cincybearcat

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

I did but I didn't.  My preference would be for people who murder children to be whisked off by aliens, or commit suicide or die of a heart attach or something.  I hate the idea of putting people to death and I hate the idea of murderers of children being allowed to live at the expense of tax payers.  It's a no-win situation as far as I'm concerned. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

maybe he thinks the guy doesn't deserve to live even though he opposes the DP. 

^^^This.

Ok so you do support the death penalty...just one that is guided by medical ailments rather than the state. To me there is no difference although I do want the DP only given to those that admit guilt or are proven to be guilty without question.

It will be hard to find a 100% agreement on a jury though. It sounds like it used to be majority rule and now it has to be unanimous?

Why did you misquote me? 

It’s weird, it like some people don’t think you should ever question your own beliefs or even talk openly about things that make sticking to your beliefs hard.  

Brian it was very simple to understand. You are against the death penalty AND sickened about what that person did and wonder if jail is enough. And you could have felt that way for a singular moment and you posted. It’s really not that hard, people around here seem to just want to pick fights all the time anymore.

brianlux

cincybearcat said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

I did but I didn't.  My preference would be for people who murder children to be whisked off by aliens, or commit suicide or die of a heart attach or something.  I hate the idea of putting people to death and I hate the idea of murderers of children being allowed to live at the expense of tax payers.  It's a no-win situation as far as I'm concerned. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

maybe he thinks the guy doesn't deserve to live even though he opposes the DP. 

^^^This.

Ok so you do support the death penalty...just one that is guided by medical ailments rather than the state. To me there is no difference although I do want the DP only given to those that admit guilt or are proven to be guilty without question.

It will be hard to find a 100% agreement on a jury though. It sounds like it used to be majority rule and now it has to be unanimous?

Why did you misquote me? 

It’s weird, it like some people don’t think you should ever question your own beliefs or even talk openly about things that make sticking to your beliefs hard.  

Brian it was very simple to understand. You are against the death penalty AND sickened about what that person did and wonder if jail is enough. And you could have felt that way for a singular moment and you posted. It’s really not that hard, people around here seem to just want to pick fights all the time anymore.

Thanks you for getting it, Cincy!

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

I did but I didn't.  My preference would be for people who murder children to be whisked off by aliens, or commit suicide or die of a heart attach or something.  I hate the idea of putting people to death and I hate the idea of murderers of children being allowed to live at the expense of tax payers.  It's a no-win situation as far as I'm concerned. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Yeah, that's a tough one.  I oppose the death sentence but, damn...

I have to say that your comment confuses me. If you oppose a death sentence then you kind of got what you believe in.

maybe he thinks the guy doesn't deserve to live even though he opposes the DP. 

^^^This.

Ok so you do support the death penalty...just one that is guided by medical ailments rather than the state. To me there is no difference although I do want the DP only given to those that admit guilt or are proven to be guilty without question.

It will be hard to find a 100% agreement on a jury though. It sounds like it used to be majority rule and now it has to be unanimous?

come on. 

OnWis97

cincybearcat said:

I’d prefer he no longer be breathing. It’s things like this that still have me ok with the death penalty in obvious cases.

I'm not quite sure how "obvious" would be defined here. I feel there are two things you may mean:

1. Obviously he did it. There's no gray here. This concerns me because I've seen it argued that maybe we can have the death penalty for someone who's crime is on camera...but this is the admission of doubt for any that's "not obvious." If I was a talented defense attorney with no conscious I'd be salivating to use that to get any "non-obvious" person off.
2. Obviously he's a bad man. A lot of convicted murders were convicted of killing their abusers (particularly in women's prisons). They are not necessarily bad. Mowing down a bunch of kids? Yeah, they are. I see this argument a bit more. That said...

I kind think it's hard to really say "I don't generally like the death penalty but for some people, fuck it; fry them." I kinda think we need to go all they way on not having the death penalty. I have some history of supporting the death penalty because, unlike most of my fellow-liberals, I actually think it's an appropriate action for some people. That said, you can't un-kill someone and the flaws in the justice system that enable a surprising number of innocent people (at least 4% in prison are innocent of the crime of which they've been convicted )to be found guilty make it too possible to execute an innocent person.

In short, I do have that sense of retribution that some do, but I think in the bigger picture, it's not worth it.

(Then there's that it's not a deterrant and it's actually more expensive to kill someone than imprison them for decades)

I'd also add that I know it's intentionally vague, but how could killing someone not be considered "cruel and unusual punishment?

brianlux

OnWis97 said:

cincybearcat said:

I’d prefer he no longer be breathing. It’s things like this that still have me ok with the death penalty in obvious cases.

I'm not quite sure how "obvious" would be defined here. I feel there are two things you may mean:

1. Obviously he did it. There's no gray here. This concerns me because I've seen it argued that maybe we can have the death penalty for someone who's crime is on camera...but this is the admission of doubt for any that's "not obvious." If I was a talented defense attorney with no conscious I'd be salivating to use that to get any "non-obvious" person off.
2. Obviously he's a bad man. A lot of convicted murders were convicted of killing their abusers (particularly in women's prisons). They are not necessarily bad. Mowing down a bunch of kids? Yeah, they are. I see this argument a bit more. That said...

I kind think it's hard to really say "I don't generally like the death penalty but for some people, fuck it; fry them." I kinda think we need to go all they way on not having the death penalty. I have some history of supporting the death penalty because, unlike most of my fellow-liberals, I actually think it's an appropriate action for some people. That said, you can't un-kill someone and the flaws in the justice system that enable a surprising number of innocent people (at least 4% in prison are innocent of the crime of which they've been convicted )to be found guilty make it too possible to execute an innocent person.

In short, I do have that sense of retribution that some do, but I think in the bigger picture, it's not worth it.

(Then there's that it's not a deterrant and it's actually more expensive to kill someone than imprison them for decades)

I'd also add that I know it's intentionally vague, but how could killing someone not be considered "cruel and unusual punishment?

I think if I were against the death penalty but favored it being used in certain cases, I would be quiet about those feelings, but also would not feel or express sorrow when it was used.  The feeling would be sometime akin to being solemn.

And what I just said lack enough commitment and exactitude such that no one needs to quote me and say I said something I did not say.

Spiritual_Chaos

mickeyrat

capital murder is an ordinary crime?

Spiritual_Chaos

mickeyrat said:

capital murder is an ordinary crime?

What are you trying to say

mace1229

He’s asking about the graph you posted. I had the same crime. He is capital punishment reserves for ordinary crimes i America? What ordinary crime gets the death sentence here?

Spiritual_Chaos

mace1229 said:

He’s asking about the graph you posted. I had the same crime. He is capital punishment reserves for ordinary crimes i America? What ordinary crime gets the death sentence here?

Murder?

Or what is so hard to understand? You should have a way better understanding of your system than I do.

tempo_n_groove

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mace1229 said:

He’s asking about the graph you posted. I had the same crime. He is capital punishment reserves for ordinary crimes i America? What ordinary crime gets the death sentence here?

Murder?

Or what is so hard to understand? You should have a way better understanding of your system than I do.

Murder is not "an ordinary crime".  That is what doesn't make sense.  What out of touch sociopath created this graph?