Has the world (as we know it) ended?

Stove

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Even the older people? Wow.


 World War II, the United States forcibly relocated and incarcerated about 120,000 people of Japanese descent in ten concentration camps operated by the War Relocation Authority (WRA), mostly in the western interior of the country. About two-thirds were U.S. citizens. These actions were initiated by Executive Order 9066, issued by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, following the outbreak of war with the Empire of Japan in December 1941. About 127,000 Japanese Americans then lived in the continental U.S., of which about 112,000 lived on the West Coast. About 80,000 were Nisei('second generation'; American-born Japanese with U.S. citizenship) and Sansei ('third generation', the children of Nisei). The rest were Issei ('first generation') immigrants born in Japan, who were ineligible for citizenship. In Hawaii, where more than 150,000 Japanese Americans comprised more than one-third of the territory's population, only 1,200 to 1,800 were incarcerated.

strange. Stove never said anything resembling "even the Japanese people don't remember it being this bad". 

I was not alive in the 1940s. I am speaking on the experience of people my seniors, boomers silent gen. & they have never seen it this. I cannot speak on the Japanese experience personally. Obviously, it was bad. 

HughFreakingDillon

Stove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Even the older people? Wow.


 World War II, the United States forcibly relocated and incarcerated about 120,000 people of Japanese descent in ten concentration camps operated by the War Relocation Authority (WRA), mostly in the western interior of the country. About two-thirds were U.S. citizens. These actions were initiated by Executive Order 9066, issued by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, following the outbreak of war with the Empire of Japan in December 1941. About 127,000 Japanese Americans then lived in the continental U.S., of which about 112,000 lived on the West Coast. About 80,000 were Nisei('second generation'; American-born Japanese with U.S. citizenship) and Sansei ('third generation', the children of Nisei). The rest were Issei ('first generation') immigrants born in Japan, who were ineligible for citizenship. In Hawaii, where more than 150,000 Japanese Americans comprised more than one-third of the territory's population, only 1,200 to 1,800 were incarcerated.

strange. Stove never said anything resembling "even the Japanese people don't remember it being this bad". 

I was not alive in the 1940s. I am speaking on the experience of people my seniors, boomers silent gen. & they have never seen it this. I cannot speak on the Japanese experience personally. Obviously, it was bad. 

Exactly. We can only speak to our own experiences. But some like to twist comments to spark faux outrage at an otherwise simple and innocent comment. 

Stove

HughFreakingDillon said:

Stove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Even the older people? Wow.


 World War II, the United States forcibly relocated and incarcerated about 120,000 people of Japanese descent in ten concentration camps operated by the War Relocation Authority (WRA), mostly in the western interior of the country. About two-thirds were U.S. citizens. These actions were initiated by Executive Order 9066, issued by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, following the outbreak of war with the Empire of Japan in December 1941. About 127,000 Japanese Americans then lived in the continental U.S., of which about 112,000 lived on the West Coast. About 80,000 were Nisei('second generation'; American-born Japanese with U.S. citizenship) and Sansei ('third generation', the children of Nisei). The rest were Issei ('first generation') immigrants born in Japan, who were ineligible for citizenship. In Hawaii, where more than 150,000 Japanese Americans comprised more than one-third of the territory's population, only 1,200 to 1,800 were incarcerated.

strange. Stove never said anything resembling "even the Japanese people don't remember it being this bad". 

I was not alive in the 1940s. I am speaking on the experience of people my seniors, boomers silent gen. & they have never seen it this. I cannot speak on the Japanese experience personally. Obviously, it was bad. 

Exactly. We can only speak to our own experiences. But some like to twist comments to spark faux outrage at an otherwise simple and innocent comment. 

Not
my intent , if thats what
you’re implying.

brianlux

Stove said:

I wanted to go back to this discussion b/c I’ve been thinking about it a lot….b/c now…we truly are fucked in America. New Hitler is here & he’s going to exterminate the middle class. Didn’t think I’d live to see the destruction of the American world as we know it….even the older people don’t remember it being this bad.  

Stove, until recent years, the era of McCarthyism was the greatest threat to Democracy and stability in America.  Most of the McCarthy era occurred during my life time, but it ended when I was 8 years old, so I was not aware of what was happening at the time.  But I later learned a lot about it from my G.I. Generation folks and from books and films and I can say with much certainty, that what we are living through now is the most dysfunctional, horrific period era in the U.S. in my lifetime and going back to the Civil War in the 1860s.  In terms of survival of Democracy and the stability of this nation, today it is worse than the McCarthy era, worse than the Vietnam War era, worse than any other period in this century.  Your concerns are well validated.  I am very saddened to say that is so.

Stove

brianlux said:

Stove said:

I wanted to go back to this discussion b/c I’ve been thinking about it a lot….b/c now…we truly are fucked in America. New Hitler is here & he’s going to exterminate the middle class. Didn’t think I’d live to see the destruction of the American world as we know it….even the older people don’t remember it being this bad.  

Stove, until recent years, the era of McCarthyism was the greatest threat to Democracy and stability in America.  Most of the McCarthy era occurred during my life time, but it ended when I was 8 years old, so I was not aware of what was happening at the time.  But I later learned a lot about it from my G.I. Generation folks and from books and films and I can say with much certainty, that what we are living through now is the most dysfunctional, horrific period era in the U.S. in my lifetime and going back to the Civil War in the 1860s.  In terms of survival of Democracy and the stability of this nation, today it is worse than the McCarthy era, worse than the Vietnam War era, worse than any other period in this century.  Your concerns are well validated.  I am very saddened to say that is so.

%100 I’m actually highly dubious that many of us & our families (depending how much is in your pocket book & who you voted for)  will make it out alive in the next 4 years. & to think this is what people wanted…

HughFreakingDillon

Stove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Stove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Even the older people? Wow.


 World War II, the United States forcibly relocated and incarcerated about 120,000 people of Japanese descent in ten concentration camps operated by the War Relocation Authority (WRA), mostly in the western interior of the country. About two-thirds were U.S. citizens. These actions were initiated by Executive Order 9066, issued by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, following the outbreak of war with the Empire of Japan in December 1941. About 127,000 Japanese Americans then lived in the continental U.S., of which about 112,000 lived on the West Coast. About 80,000 were Nisei('second generation'; American-born Japanese with U.S. citizenship) and Sansei ('third generation', the children of Nisei). The rest were Issei ('first generation') immigrants born in Japan, who were ineligible for citizenship. In Hawaii, where more than 150,000 Japanese Americans comprised more than one-third of the territory's population, only 1,200 to 1,800 were incarcerated.

strange. Stove never said anything resembling "even the Japanese people don't remember it being this bad". 

I was not alive in the 1940s. I am speaking on the experience of people my seniors, boomers silent gen. & they have never seen it this. I cannot speak on the Japanese experience personally. Obviously, it was bad. 

Exactly. We can only speak to our own experiences. But some like to twist comments to spark faux outrage at an otherwise simple and innocent comment. 

Not
my intent , if thats what
you’re implying.

no, I was defending your stance against the person who tried to twist your comment. 

Stove

HughFreakingDillon said:

Stove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Stove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Even the older people? Wow.


 World War II, the United States forcibly relocated and incarcerated about 120,000 people of Japanese descent in ten concentration camps operated by the War Relocation Authority (WRA), mostly in the western interior of the country. About two-thirds were U.S. citizens. These actions were initiated by Executive Order 9066, issued by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, following the outbreak of war with the Empire of Japan in December 1941. About 127,000 Japanese Americans then lived in the continental U.S., of which about 112,000 lived on the West Coast. About 80,000 were Nisei('second generation'; American-born Japanese with U.S. citizenship) and Sansei ('third generation', the children of Nisei). The rest were Issei ('first generation') immigrants born in Japan, who were ineligible for citizenship. In Hawaii, where more than 150,000 Japanese Americans comprised more than one-third of the territory's population, only 1,200 to 1,800 were incarcerated.

strange. Stove never said anything resembling "even the Japanese people don't remember it being this bad". 

I was not alive in the 1940s. I am speaking on the experience of people my seniors, boomers silent gen. & they have never seen it this. I cannot speak on the Japanese experience personally. Obviously, it was bad. 

Exactly. We can only speak to our own experiences. But some like to twist comments to spark faux outrage at an otherwise simple and innocent comment. 

Not
my intent , if thats what
you’re implying.

no, I was defending your stance against the person who tried to twist your comment. 

Oh..my mistake. Thanks. Plz save us Canada.

Tim Simmons

Things are incredibly bad. But thats right now. I don't believe things are irrevocably fucked forever.

Lerxst1992

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Even the older people? Wow.


 World War II, the United States forcibly relocated and incarcerated about 120,000 people of Japanese descent in ten concentration camps operated by the War Relocation Authority (WRA), mostly in the western interior of the country. About two-thirds were U.S. citizens. These actions were initiated by Executive Order 9066, issued by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, following the outbreak of war with the Empire of Japan in December 1941. About 127,000 Japanese Americans then lived in the continental U.S., of which about 112,000 lived on the West Coast. About 80,000 were Nisei('second generation'; American-born Japanese with U.S. citizenship) and Sansei ('third generation', the children of Nisei). The rest were Issei ('first generation') immigrants born in Japan, who were ineligible for citizenship. In Hawaii, where more than 150,000 Japanese Americans comprised more than one-third of the territory's population, only 1,200 to 1,800 were incarcerated.

strange. Stove never said anything resembling "even the Japanese people don't remember it being this bad". 

Was he not commenting, about the American govt abuse of power “live to see the destruction of the American world as we know it?” 

If not, if they were commenting from a prison or detention facility or have family there, I apologize. Since none of that was referenced in their comment, the apparent meaning is abuse of governmental power.

which is nothing new, which should be obvious by my original comment about WWII. But nothing is obvious in Extreme Land.

HughFreakingDillon

Tim Simmons said:

Things are incredibly bad. But thats right now. I don't believe things are irrevocably fucked forever.

I mean, even that shithead in the WH will die eventually, lol. And I have my doubts maga will follow just anybody. I don't give Vance half a shot. At least not at this point. 

Tim Simmons

Vance has no juice. 

jhager79

I believe everything went to shit November 2 2016. It’s all been downhill since the Cubs won the World Series. Just think of all those Cubs fan begging and praying for a World Series victory, “ just let this happen, I don’t care what happens afterward just let me experience one” all that had to have some effect on the universe and everything else that has happened since can be directly blamed on the Chicago Cubs and their fans. 

Slightly tongue in cheek.But I think the creation of social media ended the world as we knew it.

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

We're done for. As many of you have already said, it's climate change. We've passed the tipping point. Climate migration is going to pick up and turn into a humanitarian crisis, and eventually water wars will actually become a thing. Food scarcity will happen. After all that, whatever else is going on seems like barely worth mentioning. I do, however, thing a huge plague is inevitable too though, or superbug infections, or both. Covid was child's play IMO. And we pretty much failed that test.

I realize this comment is almost 3 years old, but since this thread popped up, I'll comment.
I think this will happen, but not because of climate change. Before climate changes brings us to that point, the world's population will.
We've gone from 1 billion to 8 billion in 200 years. That to me is nuts.
The Colorado River has been dried up the last 100 miles for 60 years. To think the river that carved out the Grand Canyon is 100% consumed and has been for decades is baffling. 
We may have reached a turning point with climate, but food and water shortages due to sheer population and sustainability limits on food and water will beat us out before climate does. 
Even a big plaque, or if Thanos snaps his fingers and uses a blip, that only buys us a few decades of reversing the population growth. 

Tim Simmons

I found this interesting

Tim Simmons

Breakdown

https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/52125-when-do-americans-think-life-in-the-us-was-great

OnWis97

Tim Simmons said:

Breakdown

https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/52125-when-do-americans-think-life-in-the-us-was-great

The Dem/GOP breakdown was funny. Times named after a president were polarized and the rest were fairly even (except right now, which tied to a president).

Things actually were pretty good during the Reagan era. Of course everything that was happening was going to eventually destroy the American Dream but that was for us to worry about some other day.