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I read this in an article this morning: "The Erie County sheriff, John
Garcia, would later refuse to speak his name at a news briefing: “As far
as we’re concerned, he’s Inmate Control Number 157103.”"
I though that was very appropriate. It's much more important and worthy
to recognize and remember the victims than it is the shooter. I have
no interest in knowing that persons name.
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So pointless and sad. And no one will do anything about it but send thoughts and fake ass prayers.hippiemom = goodness0
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We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"
And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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The time for action is over. We are an empire in decline held victim by the pride of our imagined past.cincybearcat said:So pointless and sad. And no one will do anything about it but send thoughts and fake ass prayers.Scio me nihil scire
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By CAROLYN THOMPSON and MATT SEDENSKYTodayBUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) — They were caregivers and protectors and helpers, running an errand or doing a favor or finishing out a shift, when their paths crossed with a young man driven by racism and hatred and baseless conspiracy theories.
In a flash, the ordinariness of their day was broken at Tops Friendly Market in Buffalo, where in and around the supermarket's aisles, a symbol of the mundane was transformed into a scene of mass murder.
Carts lay abandoned. Bodies littered the tile floor. Police radios crackled with calls for help.
Investigators will try, for days to come, to piece together the massacre that killed 10 people, all Black and apparently hunted for the color of their skin.
(AP Video/Robert Bumsted)Those who loved them are left with their memories of the lost, who suffered death amid the simple task of buying groceries.
“These people were just shopping,” said Steve Carlson, 29, mourning his 72-year-old neighbor Katherine Massey, who checked in often, giving him gifts on his birthday and at Christmas, and pressing money into his hand when he helped with yardwork. “They went to go get food to feed their families.”
This photo dated Oct. 24, 2011 shows Katherine Massey walking near the corner of Elmwood and Tupper in Buffalo, N.Y. Massey was one of the victims killed in the grocery store shooting in Buffalo on Saturday. Her sister calls her "a beautiful soul." {Robert Kirkham/The Buffalo News via AP)One came from volunteering at a food bank. Another had been tending to her husband at his nursing home. Most were in their 50s and beyond, and were destined for more, even if just the dinner they planned to make.
Shonnell Harris, a manager at the store, was stocking shelves when she heard the first of what she figured must have been more than 70 shots. She ran for the back door, stumbling a few times along the way. She wondered where her daughter, a grocery clerk, was, and went around to the front of the store.
She saw someone being shot, she said, and a man who looked like he was dressed for the Army.
“Like a nightmare,” Harris told The Buffalo News, shaken but grateful to have found her daughter safe.
The grisly scene was broadcast online by the gunman, a video notable not just for the cold-bloodedness of the killings, but how fast they unfolded. In the deafening rat-a-tat of gunfire, 10 voices were silenced, their stories left for others to recite.
Of a woman whose niece swore she was “the apple of God’s eye.” Of a longtime policeman who became a guard at the store and whose son knew he died a hero. Of an ace baker who’d give you the shirt off her back.
Garnell Whitfield Jr., whose 86-year-old mother Ruth Whitfield was killed in the attack, said she had come to Tops after her daily ritual of visiting her husband of 68 years in his nursing home. In so many ways, for so many years, Whitfield Jr. said his mother had devoted her life to those she loved.
“That day was like every other day for my mom,” he said Monday as he pondered how to break the news to his father.
Garnell Whitfield Jr., left, the son of Ruth Whitfield, a victim of shooting at a supermarket, speaks with members of the media during a news conference in Buffalo, N.Y., Monday, May 16, 2022. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)
Lauren Gibson, a great granddaughter of Ruth Whitfield, a victim of shooting at a supermarket, is overwhelmed with emotion during a news conference in Buffalo, N.Y., Monday, May 16, 2022. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)
Kamilah Whitfield, center, a granddaughter of Ruth Whitfield, a victim of shooting at a supermarket, speaks with members of the media during a news conference in Buffalo, N.Y., Monday, May 16, 2022. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)Heyward Patterson, a 67-year-old deacon at State Tabernacle Church of God in Christ, was similarly doing the things he’d long been known for. He had just come from helping at his church’s soup kitchen and now was at Tops, volunteering in the community jitney service that shuttles people without a ride to and from the store.
Pastor Russell Bell of the Tabernacle Church said he believed Patterson had been loading someone’s groceries into his trunk when the shots took him down.
“Anywhere he was, he was encouraging people to be the best that they could be,” Bell said.
As customers arrived at Tops ahead of the shooting, their purpose was clear.
Roberta Drury, 32, was in search of something for dinner. Andre Mackneil, 53, came to pick up a cake for his son’s third birthday. Celestine Chaney, 65, needed some shortcake to go with the strawberries she sliced.
For some in the store, it was likely a trip of necessity, to fill an emptied fridge or get a missing ingredient. For Chaney, though, it was more than some stubborn chore. Stores were her passion.
Wayne Jones, left, looks on as his aunt JoAnn Daniels, holds a photograph of his mother Celestine Chaney, who was killed in Saturday's shooting at a supermarket, during an interview with The Associated Press in Buffalo, N.Y., Monday, May 16, 2022. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)Her 48-year-old son, Wayne Jones, said he'd typically take his mother shopping each week, stopping at grocery store after grocery store in search of the best deals, with the occasional stop for a hot dog or McDonald's.
“We'd hit four or five stores looking for a deal,” he laughed even as his face was wet with tears.
On Saturday, it was Chaney's older sister, JoAnn Daniels, 74, who accompanied her shopping, and the two sisters made a meandering trip through Tops' aisles. Chaney knew she needed shortcakes, but flitting around the store, she decided she wanted to make shrimp salad, too, giggling with her sister as they filled the cart. She surveyed the roast beef and complained about the price of rolls before taking interest in chicken legs.
“You done?” she finally asked her sister, who said she was.
Pops suddenly ricocheted. The sisters thought they were firecrackers, but others started running. They went to follow, but Chaney was knocked down. Daniels said she reached to help, but her sister said she was fine.
“I'm coming,” Daniels said her sister assured. She thought Chaney was behind her.
It would be hours before she learned the truth, when her nephew saw the video of the shooting: Her baby sister, who had survived breast cancer and three surgeries for aneurysms, died on a trip to the grocery store.
Wayne Jones, holds his son Donell, while speaking during an interview with The Associated Press about his mother Celestine Chaney, who was killed in Saturday's shooting at a supermarket, in Buffalo, N.Y., Monday, May 16, 2022. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)
JoAnn Daniels speaks during an interview with The Associated Press, Monday, May 16, 2022, about her sister Celestine Chaney who was killed at the shooting at a supermarket over the weekend, in Buffalo, N.Y. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)
JoAnn Daniels, left, accompanied by, Kayla Jones, lower second from right, Donell Jones, lower right, and other family members, speaks during an interview with The Associated Press about her sister Celestine Chaney, who was killed in Saturday's shooting at a supermarket, in Buffalo, N.Y., Monday, May 16, 2022. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)___
Sedensky reported from New York. Associated Press writer Robert Bumsted in Buffalo contributed to this report.
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It’s awful and I’m not surprised which makes it even worse.
The fact this guy initially searched out schools is probably enough to give some parents pause. I send my kids to a diverse school and live in a diverse area 100 percent on purpose. I’d be lying if my first thought wasn’t, is this still a good idea? Angry white people are terrifying and it’s not really that isolated of an incident0 -
OnWis97 said:We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"
And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."How about angry black people?How about angry Chinese people?There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.
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an apologist for white gunmen....good work!JB16057 said:OnWis97 said:We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"
And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."How about angry black people?How about angry Chinese people?There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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an apologist for white gunmen....good work!JB16057 said:OnWis97 said:We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"
And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."How about angry black people?How about angry Chinese people?There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.I know... it is pointless to try and have an honest conversation here.So are you saying that this guy being white is his main issue and that mental illness has nothing to do with this?0 -
Looking at the ages of the victims, it reinforces just how much of a coward and worthless piece of shit that shooter is.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0
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Mental illness is also an excuse white people use to explain the actions of other white people. And I’m referring to people like Fox hosts here. Then it gets amplified to other white people. Fundamentally they know what it’s about, blaming an illness makes them feel less responsibleJB16057 said:Gern Blansten said:
an apologist for white gunmen....good work!JB16057 said:OnWis97 said:We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"
And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."How about angry black people?How about angry Chinese people?There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.I know... it is pointless to try and have an honest conversation here.So are you saying that this guy being white is his main issue and that mental illness has nothing to do with this?
on 9/11 who blamed mental illness? No onePost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
Cropduster-80 said:
Mental illness is also an excuse white people use to explain the actions of other white people. And I’m referring to people like Fox hosts here. Then it gets amplified to other white people. Fundamentally they know what’s it’s about, blaming an illness makes them feel less responsibleJB16057 said:Gern Blansten said:
an apologist for white gunmen....good work!JB16057 said:OnWis97 said:We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"
And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."How about angry black people?How about angry Chinese people?There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.I know... it is pointless to try and have an honest conversation here.So are you saying that this guy being white is his main issue and that mental illness has nothing to do with this?
on 9/11 who blamed mental illness? No oneSo how about this black guy wanting to kill white people? Surely this guy has no mental illness, right?0 -
JB16057 said:Cropduster-80 said:
Mental illness is also an excuse white people use to explain the actions of other white people. And I’m referring to people like Fox hosts here. Then it gets amplified to other white people. Fundamentally they know what’s it’s about, blaming an illness makes them feel less responsibleJB16057 said:Gern Blansten said:
an apologist for white gunmen....good work!JB16057 said:OnWis97 said:We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"
And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."How about angry black people?How about angry Chinese people?There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.I know... it is pointless to try and have an honest conversation here.So are you saying that this guy being white is his main issue and that mental illness has nothing to do with this?
on 9/11 who blamed mental illness? No oneSo how about this black guy wanting to kill white people? Surely this guy has no mental illness, right?This happens in other countries like it does here?0 -
First of all mental illness and a legal definition of insanity are not even close to the same thing.JB16057 said:Cropduster-80 said:
Mental illness is also an excuse white people use to explain the actions of other white people. And I’m referring to people like Fox hosts here. Then it gets amplified to other white people. Fundamentally they know what’s it’s about, blaming an illness makes them feel less responsibleJB16057 said:Gern Blansten said:
an apologist for white gunmen....good work!JB16057 said:OnWis97 said:We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"
And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."How about angry black people?How about angry Chinese people?There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.I know... it is pointless to try and have an honest conversation here.So are you saying that this guy being white is his main issue and that mental illness has nothing to do with this?
on 9/11 who blamed mental illness? No oneSo how about this black guy wanting to kill white people? Surely this guy has no mental illness, right?
most people probably have some sort of mental illness as that’s a catch all term. In any given year it’s 1 in 4 Americans, over a lifetime it’s probably everyone has had a bout with mental illness. Planning, execution, etc all show the person knows what they are doing. You can’t blame a mental illness on their actions in the same way you could on a schizophrenic who literally can’t process reality. They also can’t execute a plan months in advance.
You can’t blame mental illness for these actions as if it was an excuse everyone would do something like this in their lifetime, and we don’t
mental illness gets inserted strategically so the conversation isn’t about guns, or white nationalism. When it’s a black guy it’s to divert the attention from guns typically (if it’s the kind of shooting that’s going to become a gun issue, but it’s not in your run of the mill shooting), when it’s a white nationalist it’s to divert from both issues,
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Cropduster-80 said:
First of all mental illness and a legal definition of insanity are not even close to the same thing.JB16057 said:Cropduster-80 said:
Mental illness is also an excuse white people use to explain the actions of other white people. And I’m referring to people like Fox hosts here. Then it gets amplified to other white people. Fundamentally they know what’s it’s about, blaming an illness makes them feel less responsibleJB16057 said:Gern Blansten said:
an apologist for white gunmen....good work!JB16057 said:OnWis97 said:We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"
And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."How about angry black people?How about angry Chinese people?There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.I know... it is pointless to try and have an honest conversation here.So are you saying that this guy being white is his main issue and that mental illness has nothing to do with this?
on 9/11 who blamed mental illness? No oneSo how about this black guy wanting to kill white people? Surely this guy has no mental illness, right?
most people probably have some sort of mental illness as that’s a catch all term. In any given year it’s 1 in 4 Americans, over a lifetime it’s probably everyone has had a bout with mental illness. Planning, execution, etc all show the person knows what they are doing. You can’t blame a mental illness on their actions in the same way you could on a schizophrenic who literally can’t process reality. They also can’t execute a plan months in advance.
You can’t blame mental illness for these actions as if it was an excuse everyone would do something like this in their lifetime, and we don’tI'm not saying that this is only a mental illness issue but it does play a big part of it. This guy obviously had mental issues but the system allowed him to move forward with his plan. Gun laws don't matter if they aren't being enforced.There were 33 people shot in Chicago this weekend with 5 fatalities. How many of these shooters were white?0 -
You are comparing different things though.JB16057 said:Cropduster-80 said:
First of all mental illness and a legal definition of insanity are not even close to the same thing.JB16057 said:Cropduster-80 said:
Mental illness is also an excuse white people use to explain the actions of other white people. And I’m referring to people like Fox hosts here. Then it gets amplified to other white people. Fundamentally they know what’s it’s about, blaming an illness makes them feel less responsibleJB16057 said:Gern Blansten said:
an apologist for white gunmen....good work!JB16057 said:OnWis97 said:We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"
And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."How about angry black people?How about angry Chinese people?There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.I know... it is pointless to try and have an honest conversation here.So are you saying that this guy being white is his main issue and that mental illness has nothing to do with this?
on 9/11 who blamed mental illness? No oneSo how about this black guy wanting to kill white people? Surely this guy has no mental illness, right?
most people probably have some sort of mental illness as that’s a catch all term. In any given year it’s 1 in 4 Americans, over a lifetime it’s probably everyone has had a bout with mental illness. Planning, execution, etc all show the person knows what they are doing. You can’t blame a mental illness on their actions in the same way you could on a schizophrenic who literally can’t process reality. They also can’t execute a plan months in advance.
You can’t blame mental illness for these actions as if it was an excuse everyone would do something like this in their lifetime, and we don’tI'm not saying that this is only a mental illness issue but it does play a big part of it. This guy obviously had mental issues but the system allowed him to move forward with his plan. Gun laws don't matter if they aren't being enforced.There were 33 people shot in Chicago this weekend with 5 fatalities. How many of these shooters were white?Chicago is overwhelmingly black on black crime. In rural Kansas it’s white on white crime. Crime of proximity, crime of being involved in criminal behaviour etcWe are talking about racially motivated, random, indiscriminate white on black crime. That type of crime is more common than racially motivated black on white. Historically it’s true and today it’s true
white people would lose their minds if black people started driving to the suburbs to target them. That’s a factPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
How about instead of whataboutism you and others just accept that there is a white supremacist problem in this country. A problem so deep and widespread that it has a name "Great Replacement Theory" that is driving young white men to kill innocent people of color.JB16057 said:OnWis97 said:We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"
And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."How about angry black people?How about angry Chinese people?There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.
Was what happened in NYC and California bad? Yes of course. But there are many more instances of white guys killing black or brown people because of their skin color than vice versa.
We now have "mainstream" tv broadcasters and elected politicians who openly and loudly subscribe to this insane theory.
They all need to man up and accept the fact that someday soon white people will no longer be the majority.0 -
Cropduster-80 said:
You are comparing different things though.JB16057 said:Cropduster-80 said:
First of all mental illness and a legal definition of insanity are not even close to the same thing.JB16057 said:Cropduster-80 said:
Mental illness is also an excuse white people use to explain the actions of other white people. And I’m referring to people like Fox hosts here. Then it gets amplified to other white people. Fundamentally they know what’s it’s about, blaming an illness makes them feel less responsibleJB16057 said:Gern Blansten said:
an apologist for white gunmen....good work!JB16057 said:OnWis97 said:We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"
And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."How about angry black people?How about angry Chinese people?There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.I know... it is pointless to try and have an honest conversation here.So are you saying that this guy being white is his main issue and that mental illness has nothing to do with this?
on 9/11 who blamed mental illness? No oneSo how about this black guy wanting to kill white people? Surely this guy has no mental illness, right?
most people probably have some sort of mental illness as that’s a catch all term. In any given year it’s 1 in 4 Americans, over a lifetime it’s probably everyone has had a bout with mental illness. Planning, execution, etc all show the person knows what they are doing. You can’t blame a mental illness on their actions in the same way you could on a schizophrenic who literally can’t process reality. They also can’t execute a plan months in advance.
You can’t blame mental illness for these actions as if it was an excuse everyone would do something like this in their lifetime, and we don’tI'm not saying that this is only a mental illness issue but it does play a big part of it. This guy obviously had mental issues but the system allowed him to move forward with his plan. Gun laws don't matter if they aren't being enforced.There were 33 people shot in Chicago this weekend with 5 fatalities. How many of these shooters were white?Chicago is overwhelmingly black on black crime. In rural Kansas it’s white on white crime. Crime of proximity, crime of being involved in criminal behaviour etcWe are talking about racially motivated white on black. That type of crime is more common than racially motivated black on white. Historically it’s true and today it’s true
white people would lose their minds if black people started driving to the suburbs to target them. That’s a factA black nationalist just attacked a subway full of people last month but all you want to discuss is how white nationalist are the only problem? There is a multitude of problems and if you don't want to discuss the huge piece that mental illness plays, you are part of the problem.You want to discuss white nationalists? I don't know any so I don't have much information for you but I do know a lot of people that have mental illness and struggle every day.0 -
There are more problems than white supremacy in America and they get ignored every day. This kid was mentally ill and had the police followed through, he wouldn't have been allowed to purchase a gun.Bentleyspop said:
How about instead of whataboutism you and others just accept that there is a white supremacist problem in this country. A problem so deep and widespread that it has a name "Great Replacement Theory" that is driving young white men to kill innocent people of color.JB16057 said:OnWis97 said:We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"
And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."How about angry black people?How about angry Chinese people?There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.
Was what happened in NYC and California bad? Yes of course. But there are many more instances of white guys killing black or brown people because of their skin color than vice versa.
We now have "mainstream" tv broadcasters and elected politicians who openly and loudly subscribe to this insane theory.
They all need to man up and accept the fact that someday soon white people will no longer be the majority.
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So you came in this thread to downplay the current issue with one you'd prefer be focused on. Your are good at this game on most threads. Divert and Redirect it baby, you got this!It's a hopeless situation...0
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tbergs said:So you came in this thread to downplay the current issue with one you'd prefer be focused on. Your are good at this game on most threads. Divert and Redirect it baby, you got this!Mental illness is a WAY bigger issue than white supremacy will ever be. There will always be racists. You can not eradicate them.0
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