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  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited May 2022
    JB16057 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    JB16057 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"  

    And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."
    How about angry black people?

    How about angry Chinese people?

    There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.


    How about instead of whataboutism you and others just accept that there is a white supremacist problem in this country. A problem so deep and widespread that it has a name "Great Replacement Theory" that is driving young white men to kill innocent people of color.

    Was what happened in NYC and California bad? Yes of course. But there are many more instances of white guys killing black or brown people because of their skin color than vice versa. 

    We now have "mainstream" tv broadcasters and elected politicians who openly and loudly subscribe to this insane theory.

    They all need to man up and accept the fact that someday soon white people will no longer be the majority. 
    There are more problems than white supremacy in America and they get ignored every day. This kid was mentally ill and had the police followed through, he wouldn't have been allowed to purchase a gun.
    You would think the party that into guns would do something then to take the focus off guns 

    I agree with you there is a mental health problem.  Accessing mental health services is next to impossible unless you have a lot of money. Democrats would pass a bill tomorrow for a universal mental health system 

    getting my kid into a therapist for a minor anxiety issue via insurance was a non starter. Paying with cash no problem but it still took 4 months   

    Something tells me this kid couldn’t have seen a therapist even if he wanted to 
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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    Here is how I differ from all of you... When the black nationalist shot up the subway, I didn't say, "it was just another black man killing white people". I knew it was mental illness.

    When a white kid does the SAME THING but in reverse, you all want to talk about white nationalism as if black nationalism isn't a thing or that mental illness plays no part.

    Keep blaming white people and see where that gets you....
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,414
    JB16057 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    JB16057 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"  

    And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."
    How about angry black people?

    How about angry Chinese people?

    There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.


    How about instead of whataboutism you and others just accept that there is a white supremacist problem in this country. A problem so deep and widespread that it has a name "Great Replacement Theory" that is driving young white men to kill innocent people of color.

    Was what happened in NYC and California bad? Yes of course. But there are many more instances of white guys killing black or brown people because of their skin color than vice versa. 

    We now have "mainstream" tv broadcasters and elected politicians who openly and loudly subscribe to this insane theory.

    They all need to man up and accept the fact that someday soon white people will no longer be the majority. 
    There are more problems than white supremacy in America and they get ignored every day. This kid was mentally ill and had the police followed through, he wouldn't have been allowed to purchase a gun.

    prove it he was mentally ill.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,419
    JB16057 said:
    Here is how I differ from all of you... When the black nationalist shot up the subway, I didn't say, "it was just another black man killing white people". I knew it was mental illness.

    When a white kid does the SAME THING but in reverse, you all want to talk about white nationalism as if black nationalism isn't a thing or that mental illness plays no part.

    Keep blaming white people and see where that gets you....
    You're absolutely right this is a mental health issue.

    Should he have gotten help a long time ago? Yes

    But, he was driven by the white supremacist bullshit he heard/saw on TV, the internet,  and social media.
    So yes something has to be done about mental illness problem in America but also the white supremacist problem that Republicans seem to have no problem aligning with to get votes.
  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    mickeyrat said:
    JB16057 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    JB16057 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"  

    And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."
    How about angry black people?

    How about angry Chinese people?

    There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.


    How about instead of whataboutism you and others just accept that there is a white supremacist problem in this country. A problem so deep and widespread that it has a name "Great Replacement Theory" that is driving young white men to kill innocent people of color.

    Was what happened in NYC and California bad? Yes of course. But there are many more instances of white guys killing black or brown people because of their skin color than vice versa. 

    We now have "mainstream" tv broadcasters and elected politicians who openly and loudly subscribe to this insane theory.

    They all need to man up and accept the fact that someday soon white people will no longer be the majority. 
    There are more problems than white supremacy in America and they get ignored every day. This kid was mentally ill and had the police followed through, he wouldn't have been allowed to purchase a gun.

    prove it he was mentally ill.
    He was planning on shooting up his school a year ago. Was that attack also based on race?

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Racist beliefs are not mental illness. Violence driven by racism is not mental illness. 

    If there is information to suggest that this individual was mentally ill then I'd like to see it. The argument  "he was violent so he must be mentally ill" doesn't cut it.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited May 2022
    So it seems this Grendron POS racist fuck literally told everyone he was going to do this on Discord and Chan4, eh? And nobody did anything about it. I'm pretty sure Chan4 has voluneer moderators (not to mention the other users) who could do something when stuff like that gets posted, but they don't, all in the name of free speech.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited May 2022
    PJ_Soul said:
    So it seems this Grendron POS literally told everyone he was going to do this on Discord and Chan4, eh? And nobody did anything about it. I'm pretty sure Chan4 has voluneer moderators (not to mention the other users) who could do something when stuff like that gets posted, but they don't, all in the name of free speech.
    He streamed it on twitch.  Pretty sure the new Texas law on tech companies censoring content could be applied here.

    you can sue twitch for taking the video down because it censored him for expressing what was clearly a viewpoint. As sick as that viewpoint was 

    crazy right? 

    Certainly though moderating his posts would get challenged 
    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    JB16057 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    JB16057 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"  

    And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."
    How about angry black people?

    How about angry Chinese people?

    There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.


    an apologist for white gunmen....good work!
    I know... it is pointless to try and have an honest conversation here. 

    So are you saying that this guy being white is his main issue and that mental illness has nothing to do with this?
    Mental illness is also an excuse white people use to explain the actions of other white people.  And I’m referring to people like Fox hosts here. Then it gets amplified to other white people. Fundamentally they know what’s it’s about, blaming an illness makes them feel less responsible 

    on 9/11 who blamed mental illness? No one 

    So how about this black guy wanting to kill white people? Surely this guy has no mental illness, right?
    why are you trying to derail a thread honoring victims by asking "what about" all these other things?

    this shooter is a nazi and a terrorist that was radicalized by 8 chan and fox news. any other scenario you may bring up is a false equivalence.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,414
    edited May 2022
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    JB16057 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    JB16057 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"  

    And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."
    How about angry black people?

    How about angry Chinese people?

    There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.


    How about instead of whataboutism you and others just accept that there is a white supremacist problem in this country. A problem so deep and widespread that it has a name "Great Replacement Theory" that is driving young white men to kill innocent people of color.

    Was what happened in NYC and California bad? Yes of course. But there are many more instances of white guys killing black or brown people because of their skin color than vice versa. 

    We now have "mainstream" tv broadcasters and elected politicians who openly and loudly subscribe to this insane theory.

    They all need to man up and accept the fact that someday soon white people will no longer be the majority. 
    There are more problems than white supremacy in America and they get ignored every day. This kid was mentally ill and had the police followed through, he wouldn't have been allowed to purchase a gun.

    prove it he was mentally ill.
    He was planning on shooting up his school a year ago. Was that attack also based on race?


    have seen no reporting he planned to shoot up his school last year.

    did see he answered a question in class of "what do you plan to do when you retire" with murder/suicide.

    if that reporting was wrong, show a link stating what you claim.
    Post edited by mickeyrat on
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Hobbes
    Hobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,438
    JB16057 said:
    Here is how I differ from all of you... When the black nationalist shot up the subway, I didn't say, "it was just another black man killing white people". I knew it was mental illness.

    When a white kid does the SAME THING but in reverse, you all want to talk about white nationalism as if black nationalism isn't a thing or that mental illness plays no part.

    Keep blaming white people and see where that gets you....
    Black MAN vs White KID. 

    Shooter is 18, an adult. 

    All part of the narrative. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    Cropduster-80 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    So it seems this Grendron POS literally told everyone he was going to do this on Discord and Chan4, eh? And nobody did anything about it. I'm pretty sure Chan4 has voluneer moderators (not to mention the other users) who could do something when stuff like that gets posted, but they don't, all in the name of free speech.
    He streamed it on twitch.  Pretty sure the new Texas law on tech companies censoring content could be applied here.

    you can sue twitch for taking the video down because it censored him for expressing what was clearly a viewpoint. As sick as that viewpoint was 

    crazy right? 

    Certainly though moderating his posts would get challenged 
    I'm actually surprised law enforcement agencies aren't totally monitoring 4Chan and 8Chan already... or if they are, they aren't doing a very good job of it. The guy has been posting about this for months!

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    OnWis97 said:
    We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"  

    And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."

    I started this as  separate thread for a number of reasons.
    1. It stuck me as taking these mass shooting to another (awful) level.
    2.  There are very concerning political ramifications in that some of the ultra right wing politicians in this country are more or less supporting it and tying it in with the ridiculous and false "great replacement theory".
    3.  I support the notion of acknowledging the victims and not the shooter, including referring to any nefarious creep by a number (like "45" etc).

    Anyway, I'm sorry you have issues with the thread.  Maybe just ignore it?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    JB16057 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    JB16057 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"  

    And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."
    How about angry black people?

    How about angry Chinese people?

    There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.


    an apologist for white gunmen....good work!
    I know... it is pointless to try and have an honest conversation here. 

    So are you saying that this guy being white is his main issue and that mental illness has nothing to do with this?

    You really don't see racism as the main issue?  I find that puzzling.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    oftenreading said:
    Racist beliefs are not mental illness. Violence driven by racism is not mental illness. 

    If there is information to suggest that this individual was mentally ill then I'd like to see it. The argument  "he was violent so he must be mentally ill" doesn't cut it.

    Spot on.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    edited May 2022
    JB16057 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    We've become so desensitized to this kind of violence that my gut reaction was "its own thread?"  

    And to be honest, I hope Buffalo does get lost in the shuffle with the countless other incidents...as opposed to being well-remembered as "the first Great Replacement Theory Massacre."
    How about angry black people?

    How about angry Chinese people?

    There are angry people of all colors all over the place. It has more to do with mental illness than skin color.


    We’ve talked (written)…you’re a reasonable person.  It’s as simple as saying “yes, we’ve got some real racism problems in America”.  And if you believe that the white mans existence is in jeopardy then it’s ok to just come out and say it.  The native Americans that the white folk pushed out probably felt the exact same way and they were absolutely correct if those were their thoughts.  It’s not believing that replacement is happening and not liking it that bothers people….it’s the not admitting that you’re  (not you but in general terms) just not okay with it.  I think you believe buffalo was racially motivated through a mentally ill individual who was led down that path by either someone as mentally I’ll as he is but it could be a completely sane individual whose willing to cross lines to protect their white lineage by convincing others replacement is happening.  Well it is going to fully happen, sooner or later, and if that bothers you you’re allowed to feel that way.  They’re all not insane or mentally ill though,  some people just hate minorities because they’re not white. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    PJ_Soul said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    So it seems this Grendron POS literally told everyone he was going to do this on Discord and Chan4, eh? And nobody did anything about it. I'm pretty sure Chan4 has voluneer moderators (not to mention the other users) who could do something when stuff like that gets posted, but they don't, all in the name of free speech.
    He streamed it on twitch.  Pretty sure the new Texas law on tech companies censoring content could be applied here.

    you can sue twitch for taking the video down because it censored him for expressing what was clearly a viewpoint. As sick as that viewpoint was 

    crazy right? 

    Certainly though moderating his posts would get challenged 
    I'm actually surprised law enforcement agencies aren't totally monitoring 4Chan and 8Chan already... or if they are, they aren't doing a very good job of it. The guy has been posting about this for months!

    well, some police might actually agree with the guy. so there's that.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    oftenreading said:
    Racist beliefs are not mental illness. Violence driven by racism is not mental illness. 

    If there is information to suggest that this individual was mentally ill then I'd like to see it. The argument  "he was violent so he must be mentally ill" doesn't cut it.
    Very well said. 
  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    So it seems this Grendron POS literally told everyone he was going to do this on Discord and Chan4, eh? And nobody did anything about it. I'm pretty sure Chan4 has voluneer moderators (not to mention the other users) who could do something when stuff like that gets posted, but they don't, all in the name of free speech.
    He streamed it on twitch.  Pretty sure the new Texas law on tech companies censoring content could be applied here.

    you can sue twitch for taking the video down because it censored him for expressing what was clearly a viewpoint. As sick as that viewpoint was 

    crazy right? 

    Certainly though moderating his posts would get challenged 
    I'm actually surprised law enforcement agencies aren't totally monitoring 4Chan and 8Chan already... or if they are, they aren't doing a very good job of it. The guy has been posting about this for months!

    well, some police might actually agree with the guy. so there's that.
    Was thinking that but too tired to post it and get ripped a new one.  
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    cblock4life said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    So it seems this Grendron POS literally told everyone he was going to do this on Discord and Chan4, eh? And nobody did anything about it. I'm pretty sure Chan4 has voluneer moderators (not to mention the other users) who could do something when stuff like that gets posted, but they don't, all in the name of free speech.
    He streamed it on twitch.  Pretty sure the new Texas law on tech companies censoring content could be applied here.

    you can sue twitch for taking the video down because it censored him for expressing what was clearly a viewpoint. As sick as that viewpoint was 

    crazy right? 

    Certainly though moderating his posts would get challenged 
    I'm actually surprised law enforcement agencies aren't totally monitoring 4Chan and 8Chan already... or if they are, they aren't doing a very good job of it. The guy has been posting about this for months!

    well, some police might actually agree with the guy. so there's that.
    Was thinking that but too tired to post it and get ripped a new one.  
    who would rip you a new one? there are hundreds of documented cases of racism among police.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."

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