The Official 2023 Tour Rumor Thread

bootlegger10

Wonder if COVID bubbles are playing into it. They don’t like living in a bubble for too long.  Multiple shows minimizes travel from city to city.   Shorter tour, maybe less insurance. 

I don’t know. 

kmcmanus

Lerxst1992 said:

JimmyV said:

Weird bits of routing cherry-picked out of an extensive tour aren't going to compare with MN-IL-IN-TX then go home. That it is a twelve hour drive is part of the weirdness. That there appear to only appear to be 9 shows is part of the weirdness. That those nine shows are in only four states is part of the weirdness.

Only 9 shows, if true, after 4 of the last 6 years featured zero headline shows (or a couple festivals) is weird

At this point,  they might as well start labeling every tour Farewell Part 1, 2 etc. because it’s going to take them forever to see all their fans/markets one more time.

Some of those markets are never gonna see them again, they just don’t know it yet. And all of us who aren’t in a major city are just hoping it ain’t us.

dmbolp

DMB has been giving shows to brand new venues for years, I assume mainly due to their huge connection to Live Nation / MusicToday / Coran Capshaw.  They've played small new venues in B'ham, Huntsville, Southaven, JAX, etc.  Looks like PJ doing the same, Austin Moody Center opened a year ago, Dickies opened NOV 2019 just before COVID hit.  Every venue has it's own P/L and new venues need big sellout shows to be profitable asap.

Kevinman

kmcmanus said:

Lerxst1992 said:

JimmyV said:

Weird bits of routing cherry-picked out of an extensive tour aren't going to compare with MN-IL-IN-TX then go home. That it is a twelve hour drive is part of the weirdness. That there appear to only appear to be 9 shows is part of the weirdness. That those nine shows are in only four states is part of the weirdness.

Only 9 shows, if true, after 4 of the last 6 years featured zero headline shows (or a couple festivals) is weird

At this point,  they might as well start labeling every tour Farewell Part 1, 2 etc. because it’s going to take them forever to see all their fans/markets one more time.

Some of those markets are never gonna see them again, they just don’t know it yet. And all of us who aren’t in a major city are just hoping it ain’t us.

This is unfortunately probably extremely accurate.
I agree.

darman

dmbolp said:

DMB has been giving shows to brand new venues for years, I assume mainly due to their huge connection to Live Nation / MusicToday / Coran Capshaw.  They've played small new venues in B'ham, Huntsville, Southaven, JAX, etc.  Looks like PJ doing the same, Austin Moody Center opened a year ago, Dickies opened NOV 2019 just before COVID hit.  Every venue has it's own P/L and new venues need big sellout shows to be profitable asap.

As long as they don’t go the DMB route and play new, 7,000 seat places (Live Oak - Wilmington, NC) and have them sell out in seconds to the scalper market. 

Lost In Ohio

kmcmanus said:

Lerxst1992 said:

JimmyV said:

Weird bits of routing cherry-picked out of an extensive tour aren't going to compare with MN-IL-IN-TX then go home. That it is a twelve hour drive is part of the weirdness. That there appear to only appear to be 9 shows is part of the weirdness. That those nine shows are in only four states is part of the weirdness.

Only 9 shows, if true, after 4 of the last 6 years featured zero headline shows (or a couple festivals) is weird

At this point,  they might as well start labeling every tour Farewell Part 1, 2 etc. because it’s going to take them forever to see all their fans/markets one more time.

Some of those markets are never gonna see them again, they just don’t know it yet. And all of us who aren’t in a major city are just hoping it ain’t us.

Boise, Tulsa, Albuquerque, Mansfield, Champaign, and probably the VAST majority of the 2000/2003 mega tours.

(TBH, Mansfield is close enough to Boston they don't really count, but I wonder if Hartford is done...then again, they're close enough to Boston as well.)

Lost In Ohio

darman said:

dmbolp said:

DMB has been giving shows to brand new venues for years, I assume mainly due to their huge connection to Live Nation / MusicToday / Coran Capshaw.  They've played small new venues in B'ham, Huntsville, Southaven, JAX, etc.  Looks like PJ doing the same, Austin Moody Center opened a year ago, Dickies opened NOV 2019 just before COVID hit.  Every venue has it's own P/L and new venues need big sellout shows to be profitable asap.

As long as they don’t go the DMB route and play new, 7,000 seat places (Live Oak - Wilmington, NC) and have them sell out in seconds to the scalper market. 

If Pearl Jam does what they did for the 2022 tour, they shouldn't be too worried about scalpers.

1) Digital tickets only.
2) The only way to transfer is via Fan2Fan.
3) Do whatever The Cure did to restrict people selling TM passwords.

Go Animal

SomethingCreative said:

Go Animal said:

CM189191 said:

kmcmanus said:

vedpunk said:

JimmyV said:

mace1229 said:

This list seems really odd to me. 2 nights in cities that aren't as big as ones that got just 1 last year?

If this truly is all there is, it will be one of the strangest tours they have ever played. 

Not really.  There are just no east coast dates and the band is finally taking care of Texas after neglecting us for so long.  

9 shows in 5 cities would be an odd tour regardless of geography 

During their 2006 tour, they did 10 shows in 6 cities

And 6 of those shows were opening for Tom Petty

I wonder who Pearl Jam will be opening for on this tour? 

PJ's grown in stature since then. They won't open for anyone save a McCartney/Starr quasi-Beatles tour. Maybe Neil, out of respect. That's about it.

I don’t wanna derail the thread (lol).  But if Tom were still around, you better believe Pearl Jam would not be above co-headlining or opening for him.

Oh, absolutely. Tom was an American treasure. I still haven't gotten over him not being here. Or Prince. Or Bowie. Or Chris.

But PJ is in rarified & sacred air by this point. I can't think of a single act other than the ones I mentioned where they'd open. 

PJNB

Lost In Ohio said:

darman said:

dmbolp said:

DMB has been giving shows to brand new venues for years, I assume mainly due to their huge connection to Live Nation / MusicToday / Coran Capshaw.  They've played small new venues in B'ham, Huntsville, Southaven, JAX, etc.  Looks like PJ doing the same, Austin Moody Center opened a year ago, Dickies opened NOV 2019 just before COVID hit.  Every venue has it's own P/L and new venues need big sellout shows to be profitable asap.

As long as they don’t go the DMB route and play new, 7,000 seat places (Live Oak - Wilmington, NC) and have them sell out in seconds to the scalper market. 

If Pearl Jam does what they did for the 2022 tour, they shouldn't be too worried about scalpers.

1) Digital tickets only.
2) The only way to transfer is via Fan2Fan.
3) Do whatever The Cure did to restrict people selling TM passwords.

What was done?

Zod

PJNB said:

Lost In Ohio said:

darman said:

dmbolp said:

DMB has been giving shows to brand new venues for years, I assume mainly due to their huge connection to Live Nation / MusicToday / Coran Capshaw.  They've played small new venues in B'ham, Huntsville, Southaven, JAX, etc.  Looks like PJ doing the same, Austin Moody Center opened a year ago, Dickies opened NOV 2019 just before COVID hit.  Every venue has it's own P/L and new venues need big sellout shows to be profitable asap.

As long as they don’t go the DMB route and play new, 7,000 seat places (Live Oak - Wilmington, NC) and have them sell out in seconds to the scalper market. 

If Pearl Jam does what they did for the 2022 tour, they shouldn't be too worried about scalpers.

1) Digital tickets only.
2) The only way to transfer is via Fan2Fan.
3) Do whatever The Cure did to restrict people selling TM passwords.

What was done?

I'm curious too, because as long as you know the password, you can download the tickets into your wallet on the phone (like Google wallet).  Once you do that you don't even need the password anymore.  So you could get someone to login, download the tickets, then change the password.  Bit of kryptonite in the process.

DM282158

bootlegger10 said:

Wonder if COVID bubbles are playing into it. They don’t like living in a bubble for too long.  Multiple shows minimizes travel from city to city.   Shorter tour, maybe less insurance. 

I don’t know. 

I’ve been curious about exactly this for a while too. And what restrictions, if any, there still are. 

biz999

DM282158 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Wonder if COVID bubbles are playing into it. They don’t like living in a bubble for too long.  Multiple shows minimizes travel from city to city.   Shorter tour, maybe less insurance. 

I don’t know. 

I’ve been curious about exactly this for a while too. And what restrictions, if any, there still are. 

I bet the insurers have restrictions

Lost In Ohio

Zod said:

PJNB said:

Lost In Ohio said:

darman said:

dmbolp said:

DMB has been giving shows to brand new venues for years, I assume mainly due to their huge connection to Live Nation / MusicToday / Coran Capshaw.  They've played small new venues in B'ham, Huntsville, Southaven, JAX, etc.  Looks like PJ doing the same, Austin Moody Center opened a year ago, Dickies opened NOV 2019 just before COVID hit.  Every venue has it's own P/L and new venues need big sellout shows to be profitable asap.

As long as they don’t go the DMB route and play new, 7,000 seat places (Live Oak - Wilmington, NC) and have them sell out in seconds to the scalper market. 

If Pearl Jam does what they did for the 2022 tour, they shouldn't be too worried about scalpers.

1) Digital tickets only.
2) The only way to transfer is via Fan2Fan.
3) Do whatever The Cure did to restrict people selling TM passwords.

What was done?

I'm curious too, because as long as you know the password, you can download the tickets into your wallet on the phone (like Google wallet).  Once you do that you don't even need the password anymore.  So you could get someone to login, download the tickets, then change the password.  Bit of kryptonite in the process.

Approx 7k tickets were canceled.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/robert-smith-says-7000-scalped-cure-tickets-have-been-canceled/ar-AA19kDhB

on2legs

One glitch in the TM system and I wonder if it’s done intentionally by TM is that when you win Ten Club tickets you get an email from TM with a link to claim them.  The tickets will then go into whatever TM account is signed in on the device at the time when you click the link.  So one person can win them and forward the email to someone else to claim.  So they’re never really transferred but someone else is able to claim them from the get go.   I wonder why they don’t just go directly to your account like every other set of tickets I buy on TM.  Feels like a loophole left there purposely by TM for scalpers. 

darman

on2legs said:

One glitch in the TM system and I wonder if it’s done intentionally by TM is that when you win Ten Club tickets you get an email from TM with a link to claim them.  The tickets will then go into whatever TM account is signed in on the device at the time when you click the link.  So one person can win them and forward the email to someone else to claim.  So they’re never really transferred but someone else is able to claim them from the get go.   I wonder why they don’t just go directly to your account like every other set of tickets I buy on TM.  Feels like a loophole left there purposely by TM for scalpers. 

So scalper sells the email? Is that how that would work?

on2legs

darman said:

on2legs said:

One glitch in the TM system and I wonder if it’s done intentionally by TM is that when you win Ten Club tickets you get an email from TM with a link to claim them.  The tickets will then go into whatever TM account is signed in on the device at the time when you click the link.  So one person can win them and forward the email to someone else to claim.  So they’re never really transferred but someone else is able to claim them from the get go.   I wonder why they don’t just go directly to your account like every other set of tickets I buy on TM.  Feels like a loophole left there purposely by TM for scalpers. 

So scalper sells the email? Is that how that would work?

Possibly. You would think if someone with another account tried to claim the tickets it wouldn’t work but it does.  

EddieJeffStoneMikeMattBoom

I heard someone say that Illinois is a non F2F state. Does anyone know if Minnesota, Indiana, and Texas are F2F states? 

washed in black

PJNB said:

Lost In Ohio said:

darman said:

dmbolp said:

DMB has been giving shows to brand new venues for years, I assume mainly due to their huge connection to Live Nation / MusicToday / Coran Capshaw.  They've played small new venues in B'ham, Huntsville, Southaven, JAX, etc.  Looks like PJ doing the same, Austin Moody Center opened a year ago, Dickies opened NOV 2019 just before COVID hit.  Every venue has it's own P/L and new venues need big sellout shows to be profitable asap.

As long as they don’t go the DMB route and play new, 7,000 seat places (Live Oak - Wilmington, NC) and have them sell out in seconds to the scalper market. 

If Pearl Jam does what they did for the 2022 tour, they shouldn't be too worried about scalpers.

1) Digital tickets only.
2) The only way to transfer is via Fan2Fan.
3) Do whatever The Cure did to restrict people selling TM passwords.

What was done?

The Cure canceled tickets, but there is NO WAY anyone can stop selling TM passwords.

washed in black

Kevinman said:

kmcmanus said:

Lerxst1992 said:

JimmyV said:

Weird bits of routing cherry-picked out of an extensive tour aren't going to compare with MN-IL-IN-TX then go home. That it is a twelve hour drive is part of the weirdness. That there appear to only appear to be 9 shows is part of the weirdness. That those nine shows are in only four states is part of the weirdness.

Only 9 shows, if true, after 4 of the last 6 years featured zero headline shows (or a couple festivals) is weird

At this point,  they might as well start labeling every tour Farewell Part 1, 2 etc. because it’s going to take them forever to see all their fans/markets one more time.

Some of those markets are never gonna see them again, they just don’t know it yet. And all of us who aren’t in a major city are just hoping it ain’t us.

This is unfortunately probably extremely accurate.
I agree.

Kevinman said:

kmcmanus said:

Lerxst1992 said:

JimmyV said:

Weird bits of routing cherry-picked out of an extensive tour aren't going to compare with MN-IL-IN-TX then go home. That it is a twelve hour drive is part of the weirdness. That there appear to only appear to be 9 shows is part of the weirdness. That those nine shows are in only four states is part of the weirdness.

Only 9 shows, if true, after 4 of the last 6 years featured zero headline shows (or a couple festivals) is weird

At this point,  they might as well start labeling every tour Farewell Part 1, 2 etc. because it’s going to take them forever to see all their fans/markets one more time.

Some of those markets are never gonna see them again, they just don’t know it yet. And all of us who aren’t in a major city are just hoping it ain’t us.

This is unfortunately probably extremely accurate.
I agree.

Completely agree as well. 

PJNB

They hit Zurich, Budapest, Fresno and Sacramento last year. They still have some surprises left with locations.