Honestly, 23 is a bit short, but I think they're only about 3 songs away from silencing any criticism. If they had done 26 and added in Present Tense, Grievance and Save You there would have been 3 more albums in the mix and some of the favorites off of them. I think their sweet spot for a set is around 26, as long as they have no covers. Pretty sure some of those 30 song sets of past years had around 5 covers at times.
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First night looked cool! I’m really looking forward to Gigaton live, so I don’t mind it being heavy on those songs.
As others mentioned though the lack of representation from some incredible albums is a bit unfortunate. But it’s only night 1! I think the full tour will be epic.
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Hopefully they will limit it down to 15-18 songs per show. For us doing alot of shows per tour, those long shows are bad for the PJ after party sex orgies. We are getting old, we need to wrap it early. Let's hope they play one hour to 75 minutes per night tops. Like Iron Maiden
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Hopefully they will limit it down to 15-18 songs per show. For us doing alot of shows per tour, those long shows are bad for the PJ after party sex orgies. We are getting old, we need to wrap it early. Let's hope they play one hour to 75 minutes per night tops. Like Iron Maiden
Their songs are fairly short, perhaps 4+ mins. A 23 set show has the feel of a 90 minute show. Fans are saying some of the solos were very long, but a set list like this is at odds with the reputation they spent decades developing. 100% their right, as is the consumers right to comment pro or con, and use it to influence future purchases. I love hearing Ed talk, but if show length needs to be cut, perhaps a podcast would be a better venue to chat with fans at length.
Ed had a lot to say last night, and it seemed like he wanted to talk even more. I think he kept the setlist short knowing he would talk so much. At least twice he stopped Matt from starting songs so he could continue to talk. He also said that he wouldn't be talking nearly as much at the rest of the shows. This one had lots of local tales, and lots of callouts to friends and family. And he said they tailored the setlist to the San Diego area for this one. They may still only play 23-27 song sets for the rest of this leg, but i feel like this one was just different on purpose.
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2024: Vancouver 1, Portland, Las Vegas 1&2, Seattle 1&2, Missoula, Dana Point 1 & 2
Their songs are fairly short, perhaps 4+ mins. A 23 set show has the feel of a 90 minute show. Fans are saying some of the solos were very long, but a set list like this is at odds with the reputation they spent decades developing. 100% their right, as is the consumers right to comment pro or con, and use it to influence future purchases. I love hearing Ed talk, but if show length needs to be cut, perhaps a podcast would be a better venue to chat with fans at length.
To me this is a big part of it. Sub to Sirius XM and they love to talk about the reputation and varied setlists which gets you excited then it's basically now 5 shows in a row that are very similar. Too soon to say it's how the tour will go but the gigaton era is stale thru 5 shows. Making me miss stadium shows already.
The number of songs doesn't matter. 2 hrs & 44 mins is solid. The overall number last night can be attributed to the actual song lengths. Rounded these up & down +/- a few seconds for easy math:
DOTC = 4:30
Who Ever Said = 5:15
Seven O'Clock = 6:15
Retrograde = 5:15
Quick Escape = 4:45
River Cross = 6:00
That's 32 minutes right there, without banter. 35-ish with banter.
Factor in Even Flow, Daughter/In My Tree tag (or any tag), Better Man/Save It For Later, that's about 28 mins. So, we're past an hour with those alone.
I've never sat down to do the math, but the avg. PJ song seems to be around the 3:30-3:45 range. If they want to do longer songs & let them breathe, that's their prerogative. But I think the number of songs will be different with every show, just like the setlist itself.
If they want to bust out Lukin, Whipping, Sometimes, Brain of J, Wasted Reprise, and Animal, and break 30 songs again? Great! But your best bet is to just try & enjoy the show.
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Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
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Hopefully they will limit it down to 15-18 songs per show. For us doing alot of shows per tour, those long shows are bad for the PJ after party sex orgies. We are getting old, we need to wrap it early. Let's hope they play one hour to 75 minutes per night tops. Like Iron Maiden
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EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
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I am ok with that, it is the 26% Ten that is getting old for me. I am sure it was a great night no matter what and the reverse mamason is awesome. Instead of death, we are alive.
This is the real issue imo. The new songs sounded great, and they‘ll slowly figure out how to use them in sets, but it’s too much ten for that short of a set. I’m interested to see if that’s just the San Diego connection to all those tunes or if that’s how it’ll be moving forward.
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Hopefully they will limit it down to 15-18 songs per show. For us doing alot of shows per tour, those long shows are bad for the PJ after party sex orgies. We are getting old, we need to wrap it early. Let's hope they play one hour to 75 minutes per night tops. Like Iron Maiden
Hard & fast, the Maiden way!
up the irons!!
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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Sets were 22-25 songs per night. Nobody complained. I’ve never ever cared about how long a PJ show was.
For only having 5 albums those sets were quite varied. They didn’t play alive, daughter, small town, better man, porch etc. every show like they do now. So yes, I would take those sets today too. I think that is really the major complaint not the length. Song selection.
8 new songs. Totally understandable it’s the album tour.
Everything but Footsteps, amongst the waves, oceans and long road are standard songs on most set lists. Fans are use to seeing tons of rarities. I think that’s the issue.
Hopefully they will limit it down to 15-18 songs per show. For us doing alot of shows per tour, those long shows are bad for the PJ after party sex orgies. We are getting old, we need to wrap it early. Let's hope they play one hour to 75 minutes per night tops. Like Iron Maiden
yeah only so much coke to go around, gotta pace ourselves
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It’s only one show. BUT I do hope it is not a trend to play most of Gigaton, the hits and then sprinkle a couple different songs around each night. I have a feeling this is what it’s going to look like. I get it but don’t love it. I don’t ever need to hear Jeremy, betterman, etc especially in the same show. Hope they throw a lot more yield and no code in throughout the tour
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23 songs. 35% Gigaton. Not much unexpected on the set. I'm gonna have to side with the disappointed camp on this one. Granted, it's still early and we'll have to see how things proceed. But if this is the new norm, I'm gonna be really disappointed that I cancelled my other vacation plans just to keep OKC on my itinerary. And I'll probably scratch Louisville, since it seems like I'll already be getting a festival set at every other show.
Pit seemed full but maybe not a ton of energy. I wasn't in it, so maybe my opinion isnt worth much, but looked very tame. Crowd in general was tame, with a huge number of empty seats during the encore (typical for San Diego crowds in general IMO, trying to "beat traffic"). House lights were on during Alive and seas of people leaving while Mike is ripping the solo to that song - that was sad to see.
Were there a lot of empty seats last night? Looking at some videos and I see a good amount of red seats.
It filled up once the boys hit the stage. I will note that the pit looked lame last night. People left before the show even ended.
How packed was it at the back of the pit?
There was plenty of room in the back. If you got there at 7:15 or so you could have got a great spot up really close. 2nd or 3rd row equivalent either side of center
I am ok with that, it is the 26% Ten that is getting old for me. I am sure it was a great night no matter what and the reverse mamason is awesome. Instead of death, we are alive.
This is the real issue imo. The new songs sounded great, and they‘ll slowly figure out how to use them in sets, but it’s too much ten for that short of a set. I’m interested to see if that’s just the San Diego connection to all those tunes or if that’s how it’ll be moving forward.
It was a greatest hits show and the new stuff. They happen and that is why we go to multiple shows. It is only the first show and its easy to be an armchair quarterback.
I bet the LA shows will be much different especially since they just did those Ohana shows last fall. It'll be interesting to compare the Ohana shows to the LA shows once the weekend is over.
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Just FYI, EV also said there was a 15-minute delay due to a traffic jam. Get your asses in your seat and the rest of the shows will hopefully start at 8:30pm. They seemed super-stoked to be back and lots of stories for his mom, family, Bill Walton and his local SD hangs. 1 down, 8 to go. Off to Los Angeles.
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“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
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Granted, it's still early and we'll have to see how things proceed. But if this is the new norm, I'm gonna be really disappointed that I cancelled my other vacation plans just to keep OKC on my itinerary. And I'll probably scratch Louisville, since it seems like I'll already be getting a festival set at every other show.
It was a greatest hits show and the new stuff. They happen and that is why we go to multiple shows. It is only the first show and its easy to be an armchair quarterback.
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Did the other members of the band just hop in their cars and drive to the venue right before the show started?
I took an Uber from Gas Lamp district around 6pm and was in the venue at 6:45 (after grabbing some merch from one of the tents)