UPDATE: 2022 NA Shows w/Standard Pricing; Fan-to-Fan & NA Leg 2 News: Denver. End of Tour.

JimmyV

And just like that Canada is on deck here in North America.

Good luck, Europe. 

Go Animal

Update 05/30/22:

• Tronno! Standing room tickets have opened up! As of this writing there are also a handful of F2F singles. Go go go!
• Bourbon Festival GA still available, and even though it'll most likely be a "Festival Set" they should cater to some Faithful who make the trip (you're not gonna get Gremmie)
• Is there room for more shows this year? Is the band up to it? After the last few weeks in this country, I think that might be a possibility. You can't be neutral on a moving train...
  

RatherStarved

For the last few days there were MSG section E floor seats on PJ Premium for over $6k apiece.  Tickets are now sold out.  Do we think someone forked over $12-13k for the pair? 

JimmyV

My guess is TM is adding and removing PJ Premium tickets at those price points to create the illusion of sales, hoping to urge others to buy. 

tschav

JimmyV said:

My guess is TM is adding and removing PJ Premium tickets at those price points to create the illusion of sales, hoping to urge others to buy. 

Or people carting them then walking away, putting them in limbo for 10 minutes before they come back.

RatherStarved

I’d be afraid to cart that.  One accidental click and then you don’t have rent money this year! 

Weston1283

Go Animal said:

Update 05/30/22:

• Tronno! Standing room tickets have opened up! As of this writing there are also a handful of F2F singles. Go go go!
• Bourbon Festival GA still available, and even though it'll most likely be a "Festival Set" they should cater to some Faithful who make the trip (you're not gonna get Gremmie)
• Is there room for more shows this year? Is the band up to it? After the last few weeks in this country, I think that might be a possibility. You can't be neutral on a moving train...
  

It's hard for me to believe they wont do a Vegas, Sacramento, Portland and Seattle run sometime late Fall or winter of this year.  It doesn't have to be a crazy stretch of shows.  Just hit those few cities, maybe a couple nights in Vegas and Seattle... Do something to bring life back into the fanbase.  

heartofadog

Weston1283 said:

Go Animal said:

Update 05/30/22:

• Tronno! Standing room tickets have opened up! As of this writing there are also a handful of F2F singles. Go go go!
• Bourbon Festival GA still available, and even though it'll most likely be a "Festival Set" they should cater to some Faithful who make the trip (you're not gonna get Gremmie)
• Is there room for more shows this year? Is the band up to it? After the last few weeks in this country, I think that might be a possibility. You can't be neutral on a moving train...
  

It's hard for me to believe they wont do a Vegas, Sacramento, Portland and Seattle run sometime late Fall or winter of this year.  It doesn't have to be a crazy stretch of shows.  Just hit those few cities, maybe a couple nights in Vegas and Seattle... Do something to bring life back into the fanbase.  

I feel similarly, though I also feel like the undersold west coast shows and COVID stuff maybe took the wind out of everyone's sales, band and fans. That could just be me projecting, though.

I feel like it's more likely we get some dates next year.

pjhawks

So are you guys changing your mind about having tickets on stub hub is better for consumers yet?  Or do you still prefer Ticketmaster having that control? 

JimmyV

Eh. There are pros and cons. Many in California would have liked the option to sell their tickets below face rather than eat them. But, refreshing fan to fan looking for MSG tickets would be preferable to paying StubHub prices. 

tschav

pjhawks said:

So are you guys changing your mind about having tickets on stub hub is better for consumers yet?  Or do you still prefer Ticketmaster having that control? 

Haven’t had an issue getting PJ tickets for most shows through 10c since they introduced the new format, but I’m not against buying below face on StubHub for a lot of the other acts out there not selling out venues.

I’m a bit cautious around “PJ Premium” though. It’d be nice to know if there’s a real difference between Platinum and this… apart from Platinum tickets can be resold at different prices (above or below face).

pjhawks

tschav said:

pjhawks said:

So are you guys changing your mind about having tickets on stub hub is better for consumers yet?  Or do you still prefer Ticketmaster having that control? 

Haven’t had an issue getting PJ tickets for most shows through 10c since they introduced the new format, but I’m not against buying below face on StubHub for a lot of the other acts out there not selling out venues.

I’m a bit cautious around “PJ Premium” though. It’d be nice to know if there’s a real difference between Platinum and this… apart from Platinum tickets can be resold at different prices (above or below face).

just saw The Who for about half the initial price.  The issue with the F2F resale is people are getting stuck because they can't sell for lower.  Everyone despises Ticketmaster but seems ok with Ticketmaster controlling resale tickets. I just don't understand it. I said when it started it was bad for the consumer and it's proving be to correct.  I get the bands stance but for consumers give me Stub Hub over Ticketmaster any day of the week.

SHZA

Weston1283 said:

Go Animal said:

Update 05/30/22:

• Tronno! Standing room tickets have opened up! As of this writing there are also a handful of F2F singles. Go go go!
• Bourbon Festival GA still available, and even though it'll most likely be a "Festival Set" they should cater to some Faithful who make the trip (you're not gonna get Gremmie)
• Is there room for more shows this year? Is the band up to it? After the last few weeks in this country, I think that might be a possibility. You can't be neutral on a moving train...
  

It's hard for me to believe they wont do a Vegas, Sacramento, Portland and Seattle run sometime late Fall or winter of this year.  It doesn't have to be a crazy stretch of shows.  Just hit those few cities, maybe a couple nights in Vegas and Seattle... Do something to bring life back into the fanbase.  

If they were looking to do Vegas and Sacramento in the fall it would have made more sense to postpone instead of cancel 

heartofadog

The shows/most of the fans/ticketholders being on the east coast is making F2F life difficult for this west coast fan.

Lifted

I'm not suggesting that absolutely no one is buying the premium tickets, but I have a feeling that some of the f2f resale tickets at premium prices are being sold directly from ticketmaster. Some of the prices/seats being offered are just too fishy to believe. It feels like an extra layer of manipulation.

For example, Camden now has multiple f2f pairs in section 203 row b for $1183. I was in for the verified sale, and while everything but premiums, season ticket offers and lawn seats were gone almost immediately, not once did I see any premiums being offered anywhere close to that price for 200 level seats. Not then, or in the time since. It's interesting that $1183 is merely $33 more than the superior premium seats available for sale at the same show. Perhaps an attempt to create the illusion that $1150 is a great deal, being a lower price than "face value exchange" in a lesser location. I've seen it at other venues too. West cost arena and midwest f2f tickets at 300-500% markups for upper level seats? There's no way they sold that many premium priced tickets for non premium seats.

PJNB

Lifted said:

I'm not suggesting that absolutely no one is buying the premium tickets, but I have a feeling that some of the f2f resale tickets at premium prices are being sold directly from ticketmaster. Some of the prices/seats being offered are just too fishy to believe. It feels like an extra layer of manipulation.

For example, Camden now has multiple f2f pairs in section 203 row b for $1183. I was in for the verified sale, and while everything but premiums, season ticket offers and lawn seats were gone almost immediately, not once did I see any premiums being offered anywhere close to that price for 200 level seats. Not then, or in the time since. It's interesting that $1183 is merely $33 more than the superior premium seats available for sale at the same show. Perhaps an attempt to create the illusion that $1150 is a great deal, being a lower price than "face value exchange" in a lesser location. I've seen it at other venues too. West cost arena and midwest f2f tickets at 300-500% markups for upper level seats? There's no way they sold that many premium priced tickets for non premium seats.

How do they benefit doing this vs just dropping the to tickets like they normally do as premium? I would argue if what you say is true it is actually a negative for them since if the tickets do not sell at that price point they cannot drop the price down with their dynamic pricing since it’s locked in.

SHZA

Lifted said:

I'm not suggesting that absolutely no one is buying the premium tickets, but I have a feeling that some of the f2f resale tickets at premium prices are being sold directly from ticketmaster. Some of the prices/seats being offered are just too fishy to believe. It feels like an extra layer of manipulation.

For example, Camden now has multiple f2f pairs in section 203 row b for $1183. I was in for the verified sale, and while everything but premiums, season ticket offers and lawn seats were gone almost immediately, not once did I see any premiums being offered anywhere close to that price for 200 level seats. Not then, or in the time since. It's interesting that $1183 is merely $33 more than the superior premium seats available for sale at the same show. Perhaps an attempt to create the illusion that $1150 is a great deal, being a lower price than "face value exchange" in a lesser location. I've seen it at other venues too. West cost arena and midwest f2f tickets at 300-500% markups for upper level seats? There's no way they sold that many premium priced tickets for non premium seats.

Why would they do that instead of simply repricing the premium seats at something more likely to sell? (e.g., reduce 1183 to 850). There were F2F tickets listed for LA at ~ $1,000 that obviously had no chance of selling due to the much cheaper comparable seats available. No one would be manipulated by that. 

Lifted

PJNB said:

Lifted said:

I'm not suggesting that absolutely no one is buying the premium tickets, but I have a feeling that some of the f2f resale tickets at premium prices are being sold directly from ticketmaster. Some of the prices/seats being offered are just too fishy to believe. It feels like an extra layer of manipulation.

For example, Camden now has multiple f2f pairs in section 203 row b for $1183. I was in for the verified sale, and while everything but premiums, season ticket offers and lawn seats were gone almost immediately, not once did I see any premiums being offered anywhere close to that price for 200 level seats. Not then, or in the time since. It's interesting that $1183 is merely $33 more than the superior premium seats available for sale at the same show. Perhaps an attempt to create the illusion that $1150 is a great deal, being a lower price than "face value exchange" in a lesser location. I've seen it at other venues too. West cost arena and midwest f2f tickets at 300-500% markups for upper level seats? There's no way they sold that many premium priced tickets for non premium seats.

How do they benefit doing this vs just dropping the to tickets like they normally do as premium? I would argue if what you say is true it is actually a negative for them since if the tickets do not sell at that price point they cannot drop the price down with their dynamic pricing since it’s locked in.

If ticketmaster is controlling the tickets as I'm suspecting, they wouldn't be locked into the price as they are controlling the tickets. The benefit is to show two different ticket options, rather than 1, to convince potential buyers that the premiums are a better deal than they actually are. I remember a while ago there were some f2f tickets for over $1k is section 200 at Camden which eventually disappeared. During that time, there were superior premiums offered for less at he same show. Does anyone really believe someone paid over $1k for seats in sec 200 at Camden? I suppose it's possible that the seller took them off the market, but that wouldn't make much sense either considering the other options available at that price point. 

SHZA made a good point about LA f2f tickets at $1k, and I dont have a good explanation for that, but if I recall, they didn't completely drop premiums for those shows to face value either, despite tickets becoming easily available leading up to the shows. So possibly eating a few seats to encourage premium sales at a lower cost could've been a motivation. 

I don't know, I just can't believe that mediocre seats with premium prices would sell as much as the f2f resales would suggest.

SHZA

Lifted said:

PJNB said:

Lifted said:

I'm not suggesting that absolutely no one is buying the premium tickets, but I have a feeling that some of the f2f resale tickets at premium prices are being sold directly from ticketmaster. Some of the prices/seats being offered are just too fishy to believe. It feels like an extra layer of manipulation.

For example, Camden now has multiple f2f pairs in section 203 row b for $1183. I was in for the verified sale, and while everything but premiums, season ticket offers and lawn seats were gone almost immediately, not once did I see any premiums being offered anywhere close to that price for 200 level seats. Not then, or in the time since. It's interesting that $1183 is merely $33 more than the superior premium seats available for sale at the same show. Perhaps an attempt to create the illusion that $1150 is a great deal, being a lower price than "face value exchange" in a lesser location. I've seen it at other venues too. West cost arena and midwest f2f tickets at 300-500% markups for upper level seats? There's no way they sold that many premium priced tickets for non premium seats.

How do they benefit doing this vs just dropping the to tickets like they normally do as premium? I would argue if what you say is true it is actually a negative for them since if the tickets do not sell at that price point they cannot drop the price down with their dynamic pricing since it’s locked in.

If ticketmaster is controlling the tickets as I'm suspecting, they wouldn't be locked into the price as they are controlling the tickets. The benefit is to show two different ticket options, rather than 1, to convince potential buyers that the premiums are a better deal than they actually are. I remember a while ago there were some f2f tickets for over $1k is section 200 at Camden which eventually disappeared. During that time, there were superior premiums offered for less at he same show. Does anyone really believe someone paid over $1k for seats in sec 200 at Camden? I suppose it's possible that the seller took them off the market, but that wouldn't make much sense either considering the other options available at that price point. 

SHZA made a good point about LA f2f tickets at $1k, and I dont have a good explanation for that, but if I recall, they didn't completely drop premiums for those shows to face value either, despite tickets becoming easily available leading up to the shows. So possibly eating a few seats to encourage premium sales at a lower cost could've been a motivation. 

I don't know, I just can't believe that mediocre seats with premium prices would sell as much as the f2f resales would suggest.

I'm not sure if they dropped the LA premiums quite to face but they did drop considerably from the initial price. For San Diego some of the premiums did drop to face. I agree that some of the premium sales appear irrational but I think it's more likely that a few people made FOMO purchases at the premium prices and then regretted it than TM using F2F premium resale to manipulate things, which is unnecessary since they can freely change the prices and supply of the non-F2F premium listings. 

Go Animal

As far as I know, all remaining Premiums dropped to face value somewhere around 2-4pm each show day in Cali. I tried to update the first post in this thread around that time in succession.

There were guys in line for merch at both LA shows that were upgrading & listing what they originally had on F2F immediately after. I know at least one guy scored Floor, and sold a 100 section minutes after. That Floor ticket started as one of the $1k's.

It all does end up being a bit of a gamble, but worst case scenario? If you wait & are lucky/fast enough, you would have 2 tickets for face value, and end up eating one.

In LA, that meant you'd be in for $254 ($127 x 2) for a excellent seat that was Premium for months, but became face value on the day of. So even if you couldn't sell your original ticket, you could scan the parking lot for someone who didn't have one & hook 'em up. Or put a quick post up on the board here. And while it's not ideal, $254 for a seat that was going for $1k? I could live with that. Didn't have to, but I could lol.

Go Animal

Lifted said:

PJNB said:

Lifted said:

I'm not suggesting that absolutely no one is buying the premium tickets, but I have a feeling that some of the f2f resale tickets at premium prices are being sold directly from ticketmaster. Some of the prices/seats being offered are just too fishy to believe. It feels like an extra layer of manipulation.

For example, Camden now has multiple f2f pairs in section 203 row b for $1183. I was in for the verified sale, and while everything but premiums, season ticket offers and lawn seats were gone almost immediately, not once did I see any premiums being offered anywhere close to that price for 200 level seats. Not then, or in the time since. It's interesting that $1183 is merely $33 more than the superior premium seats available for sale at the same show. Perhaps an attempt to create the illusion that $1150 is a great deal, being a lower price than "face value exchange" in a lesser location. I've seen it at other venues too. West cost arena and midwest f2f tickets at 300-500% markups for upper level seats? There's no way they sold that many premium priced tickets for non premium seats.

How do they benefit doing this vs just dropping the to tickets like they normally do as premium? I would argue if what you say is true it is actually a negative for them since if the tickets do not sell at that price point they cannot drop the price down with their dynamic pricing since it’s locked in.

If ticketmaster is controlling the tickets as I'm suspecting, they wouldn't be locked into the price as they are controlling the tickets. The benefit is to show two different ticket options, rather than 1, to convince potential buyers that the premiums are a better deal than they actually are. I remember a while ago there were some f2f tickets for over $1k is section 200 at Camden which eventually disappeared. During that time, there were superior premiums offered for less at he same show. Does anyone really believe someone paid over $1k for seats in sec 200 at Camden? I suppose it's possible that the seller took them off the market, but that wouldn't make much sense either considering the other options available at that price point. 

SHZA made a good point about LA f2f tickets at $1k, and I dont have a good explanation for that, but if I recall, they didn't completely drop premiums for those shows to face value either, despite tickets becoming easily available leading up to the shows. So possibly eating a few seats to encourage premium sales at a lower cost could've been a motivation. 

I don't know, I just can't believe that mediocre seats with premium prices would sell as much as the f2f resales would suggest.

Agree with SHZA as well, and I think there's a psychological aspect to all of this. How many of us put a single, or pair in our cart for Floor, or 100's with resounding quickness? Your first instinct is to BUY, BUY, BUY so you don't lose them & miss out. But then you see the price O_O

You wanna see the band, and have the best seat possible, but I personally don't think you should have to pay an arm & a leg to do so. Time & again it's been possible to see them (or Eddie) with a little bit of patience & a lot of luck (more than you can imagine, Optimus Prime).

When it comes to $1k & up F2F tickets, I truly believe it's just fellow fans putting up tix after suffering buyer's remorse. With the amount of time I spend refreshing & checking these shows, I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.

Also, the way people are on the internet & social media, I think a lot of the fans who jumped on overpriced tix are remiss to come online & lament about it. They'd be met with scorn & ridicule, rather than remorse. "You knew what you were buying, dumbass!" etc.

Pretty sure every overpriced F2F listing, the person just ended up going, or giving their log-in info to a friend, or friend of a friend so SOMEONE could enjoy the show.

Ticketmaster does indeed suck, but I don't think they'd be dumb enough to try & execute a shell game (artificially priced F2F) of that magnitude. If they got caught doing something like that, the entire live music industry would fall apart (for a little while).

Lifted

Well, good points from everyone...and I may be completely wrong, but it still seems strange to me. Probably the strongest anecdotal evidence that is leading me to my suspicion is that I never saw any of these f2f tickets being sold as premium in the first place. 

Like I said, I was in for the verified sale for Camden, and have been periodically monitoring it ever since (at least once a day). Of all the premiums that have been listed for Camden, the only ones I ever saw in the 200 level were in 202, and weren't $1k. I remember seeing a couple singles for $250 actually. I certainly can't recall seeing any for over $1k on the outer 200 sections, yet the keep randomly showing up on f2f. I suppose it's possible a few people were unlucky enough to snag the worst deal in the house, but it is suspicious. 

Go Animal

Lifted said:

Well, good points from everyone...and I may be completely wrong, but it still seems strange to me. Probably the strongest anecdotal evidence that is leading me to my suspicion is that I never saw any of these f2f tickets being sold as premium in the first place. 

Like I said, I was in for the verified sale for Camden, and have been periodically monitoring it ever since (at least once a day). Of all the premiums that have been listed for Camden, the only ones I ever saw in the 200 level were in 202, and weren't $1k. I remember seeing a couple singles for $250 actually. I certainly can't recall seeing any for over $1k on the outer 200 sections, yet the keep randomly showing up on f2f. I suppose it's possible a few people were unlucky enough to snag the worst deal in the house, but it is suspicious. 

Camden is a bit of an odd duck in all this. The have a summer lawn pass, and some people actually got in on that for arguably the cheapest PJ ticket (other than free). As far as the Premium pricing, TM has a few metrics that they use (similar to surge pricing) to get to their price point. And FOMO is a hell of a drug, lol. It all goes back to being patient.

That's part of why I made the thread in the first place. I'm confident anyone who wants to go to Camden will find a way in, either through TM/Live Nation, or with help from folks on here (and won't have to pay $1,200 to do it).

RatherStarved

Looks like Denver is sold out of standard tickets behind the stage now.  

demetrios

Toronto premium seats still available. 

demetrios

Hamilton also has PJ premium tickets still available.

100 Pacer

The point is not to encourage premium ticket purchases in order for prices to drop.

RatherStarved

100 Pacer said:

The point is not to encourage premium ticket purchases in order for prices to drop.

Agreed.  There’s no sport in shelling out a grand for a seat.  

demetrios

100 Pacer said:

The point is not to encourage premium ticket purchases in order for prices to drop.

Gotcha

aisleseats

Just FYI for anyone who hasn't noticed yet, all the single lowers and floor seats for OKC that were previously premium were dropped to "face" at $103. Still a couple semi-decent ones left.