I feel bad for the Baltimore people, genuinely. Hopefully 10C will come through on their promise to make it right in the future. The lottery can certainly be a frustrating experience. I’m a lifelong NYer and I stopped going to NY shows back in ‘08. I’ve tried a few lotteries since and never hit for NY. Now I don’t even try. I’ll put in for Hartford, Boston, this year I got lucky with Camden. But the bottom line is there’s always a ticket for the show you want to see if you put in the work. These forums, FB groups, F2F exchange, day of drop at the box office ALWAYS has tickets in my experience, and then faithful stalking of the TM site. My point is, don’t lose hope. If you really want to go there’s a way. I genuinely believe the 10C is doing the best they can to get as many tickets into the hands of fans as possible. Just my $.02
I feel bad for the Baltimore people, genuinely. Hopefully 10C will come through on their promise to make it right in the future. The lottery can certainly be a frustrating experience. I’m a lifelong NYer and I stopped going to NY shows back in ‘08. I’ve tried a few lotteries since and never hit for NY. Now I don’t even try. I’ll put in for Hartford, Boston, this year I got lucky with Camden. But the bottom line is there’s always a ticket for the show you want to see if you put in the work. These forums, FB groups, F2F exchange, day of drop at the box office ALWAYS has tickets in my experience, and then faithful stalking of the TM site. My point is, don’t lose hope. If you really want to go there’s a way. I genuinely believe the 10C is doing the best they can to get as many tickets into the hands of fans as possible. Just my $.02
Agreed. The Baltimore situation really sucks, but I honestly believe that PJ will make it up to ticketholders in some way. I do not view Camden as its replacement show. I think there will be a Baltimore show at the renovated venue, or perhaps at Camden Yards. Time will tell.
As for NYC shows, I have never won the lottery for a show at MSG or in Brooklyn, yet I still made it to every one. You might have to put in some work finding a way in, but tickets always become available. While I did prefer the F5 system, I understand that PJ feels this is the fairest way to allocate tix. I appreciate that they offer this opportunity, even if my lottery record is pretty sad.
I have a hunch that Camden was penciled in before they knew Baltimore would be canceled. The timing makes it look like it was a replacement show, but that doesn't make much sense.
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I have a hunch that Camden was penciled in before they knew Baltimore would be canceled. The timing makes it look like it was a replacement show, but that doesn't make much sense.
Agreed,,, especially because there’s was already some rumors floating around of a Philly area show right before the Baltimore cancellation was announced.
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2006: Camden 1
2008: Washington DC
2009: Philly 1, Philly 2, Philly 3, Philly 4
2013: Philly 1, Philly 2, Baltimore
2016: Philly 1, Philly 2,
2017: Temple of The Dog Philly 2
I have a hunch that Camden was penciled in before they knew Baltimore would be canceled. The timing makes it look like it was a replacement show, but that doesn't make much sense.
Agreed,,, especially because there’s was already some rumors floating around of a Philly area show right before the Baltimore cancellation was announced.
Exactly. Completely agree. Now, I'm curious to see if that rumoured Pitt show happens.
https://youtu.be/-_Y7uqqEFnY, watch the last week tonight clip with John Oliver titled tickets. You will understand why we do not win the lotteries. Ticketmaster only releases very few tickets to the general public so they can sell the rest to brokers (scalpers who use bots). It is very interesting and pretty ridiculous they get away with it. The problem is the venues and Ticketmaster are in bed with one another.
I feel bad for the Baltimore people, genuinely. Hopefully 10C will come through on their promise to make it right in the future. The lottery can certainly be a frustrating experience. I’m a lifelong NYer and I stopped going to NY shows back in ‘08. I’ve tried a few lotteries since and never hit for NY. Now I don’t even try. I’ll put in for Hartford, Boston, this year I got lucky with Camden. But the bottom line is there’s always a ticket for the show you want to see if you put in the work. These forums, FB groups, F2F exchange, day of drop at the box office ALWAYS has tickets in my experience, and then faithful stalking of the TM site. My point is, don’t lose hope. If you really want to go there’s a way. I genuinely believe the 10C is doing the best they can to get as many tickets into the hands of fans as possible. Just my $.02
I tell people this all the time. Back 2009 at the 4 spectrum shows in Philly I only won night 1 via 10c lottery. But I still was at every show. Night 2 my friend got tickets a few days prior when TM dropped some tickets, night 3 I bought of a guy selling his, and night 4 I went the stub hub route but even then all 4 days TM released more tickets. I remember WMMR in Philly announcing last minute tickets were released. Definitely something a lot venues do.
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2006: Camden 1
2008: Washington DC
2009: Philly 1, Philly 2, Philly 3, Philly 4
2013: Philly 1, Philly 2, Baltimore
2016: Philly 1, Philly 2,
2017: Temple of The Dog Philly 2
https://youtu.be/-_Y7uqqEFnY, watch the last week tonight clip with John Oliver titled tickets. You will understand why we do not win the lotteries. Ticketmaster only releases very few tickets to the general public so they can sell the rest to brokers (scalpers who use bots). It is very interesting and pretty ridiculous they get away with it. The problem is the venues and Ticketmaster are in bed with one another.
That has nothing to do with the lottery. It's been explained many times now why this lottery was so difficult.
https://youtu.be/-_Y7uqqEFnY, watch the last week tonight clip with John Oliver titled tickets. You will understand why we do not win the lotteries. Ticketmaster only releases very few tickets to the general public so they can sell the rest to brokers (scalpers who use bots). It is very interesting and pretty ridiculous they get away with it. The problem is the venues and Ticketmaster are in bed with one another.
except Pearl Jam managed to work there own deal with them to get more people into the building and to set up a separate fan 2 fan market as well as limiting ticket sales to the verified fan process.
If one did not win lottery to this tour one either mishandled the registration process (which we have established a lot of people did not read and only signed up for Verfieid Fan, not the ticket lottery) OR tried for very tight shows to begin with like MSG, OR most importanly and most likely entered GA only.
https://youtu.be/-_Y7uqqEFnY, watch the last week tonight clip with John Oliver titled tickets. You will understand why we do not win the lotteries. Ticketmaster only releases very few tickets to the general public so they can sell the rest to brokers (scalpers who use bots). It is very interesting and pretty ridiculous they get away with it. The problem is the venues and Ticketmaster are in bed with one another.
That's not entire accurate. Promoters and the Bands sell tickets directly to scalpers, not TM, although there's obviously questions about boundaries when live nation is the promoter.
Plus I don't think PJ does that. Hence why so many go to the fan club, then verified fan, they lock the shit out of reselling so people don't try to profit off them charging reasonable prices. If your going to sell below market value, you need to lock that shit down
https://youtu.be/-_Y7uqqEFnY, watch the last week tonight clip with John Oliver titled tickets. You will understand why we do not win the lotteries. Ticketmaster only releases very few tickets to the general public so they can sell the rest to brokers (scalpers who use bots). It is very interesting and pretty ridiculous they get away with it. The problem is the venues and Ticketmaster are in bed with one another.
That's not entire accurate. Promoters and the Bands sell tickets directly to scalpers, not TM, although there's obviously questions about boundaries when live nation is the promoter.
Plus I don't think PJ does that. Hence why so many go to the fan club, then verified fan, they lock the shit out of reselling so people don't try to profit off them charging reasonable prices. If your going to sell below market value, you need to lock that shit down
Yeah, PJ has been able to control the distribution of their own tickets, except for venue tickets (season ticket holders, etc)
the point of that Oliver clip is that Ticketmaster is created to be “the bad guy.” Bands cannot sell $2500 tickets like major sports teams do, yet they are expected to charge the same price front row center as seats far away.not ideal for a profit making endeavor.
ticketmaster fees include substantial rebates to promoters, venues and artists. Oliver actually offered evidence of Bieber scalping his own tickets, as well as falling into a pit on his stage!
In the old days, the band took care of fans from cancelled shows and put you on a priority waiting list for any show ypu chose. My have times changed.
I was cancelled for Toledo 96, next show I went to I had front row center because of the priority list. A pity they have lost this connection with fans
EDIT see below. TOLEDO was not cancelled, it was during the no TM years and we couldnt get tickets. So for not getting tickets we were put on a priority list. See letter below. Sorry I am old
In the old days, the band took care of fans from cancelled shows and put you on a priority waiting list for any show ypu chose. My have times changed.
I was cancelled for Toledo 96, next show I went to I had front row center because of the priority list. A pity they have lost this connection with fans
In the old days, the band took care of fans from cancelled shows and put you on a priority waiting list for any show ypu chose. My have times changed.
I was cancelled for Toledo 96, next show I went to I had front row center because of the priority list. A pity they have lost this connection with fans
I never missed in ny during the f5 days. If it took 6 hours and you had the time, eventually you would score. So then EVERYONE complained, “who has the time to just refresh a system till you get tickets in the middle of the week when you have a job?”
So pearl jam changes to a completely random lottery system that gives everyone the same odds yet still rewards seniority with where you sit if you get tickets. You have a week to decide what you want to do and figure out logistics etc.
So now people are again complaining about a system that at the current moment, may be the best system any band has created. They combat scalping by creating a system where it can only be resold at face value.
Is the system perfect? No. But pj doesnt get to control everything. They took on Goliath and lost. Instead of giving up, they chose to work within the system to improve it.
Back in the day…..blah blah blah. People now are paying millions of dollars for real estate in the metaverse. Millions for virtual property. The world is constantly evolving and changing. Wait till people start complaining about their virtual seat location in the metaverse during a virtual show.
I think pj has done a tremendous job regarding the ticketing issue over their entire career.
Ive been shut out for an entire tour. It sucks. It sucks what happened in carolina. It sucks what happened in baltimore where I had tickets.
Lifes shitty. You gotta deal with it. Thank the universe that pearl jam is still around.
Wait till people start complaining about their virtual seat location in the metaverse during a virtual show.
Oof, yeah, sounds ridiculous but it's coming. I've already "attended" a virtual Foo Fighters show, basically just a pre-recorded performance displayed on a big virtual screen. You got to walk around in little pods with other avatars but everyone was able to have the same view. I could totally see them have different levels available that would have better views or something.
Sorry found the letter, NOT for cancelation, even better.
For not being able to get a ticket, I was put on the priority list!
Keep in mind we had to MAIL our tenclub ticket requests. Internet was still a baby back then.
That’s awesome. Thanks for sharing. Those mail in days were nuts. I was trying to remember how they informed you if you were selected or not for tickets. Did they mail us a receipt?
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As for NYC shows, I have never won the lottery for a show at MSG or in Brooklyn, yet I still made it to every one. You might have to put in some work finding a way in, but tickets always become available. While I did prefer the F5 system, I understand that PJ feels this is the fairest way to allocate tix. I appreciate that they offer this opportunity, even if my lottery record is pretty sad.
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2006: Camden 1
2008: Washington DC
2009: Philly 1, Philly 2, Philly 3, Philly 4
2013: Philly 1, Philly 2, Baltimore
2016: Philly 1, Philly 2,
2017: Temple of The Dog Philly 2
2006: Camden 1
2008: Washington DC
2009: Philly 1, Philly 2, Philly 3, Philly 4
2013: Philly 1, Philly 2, Baltimore
2016: Philly 1, Philly 2,
2017: Temple of The Dog Philly 2
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If one did not win lottery to this tour one either mishandled the registration process (which we have established a lot of people did not read and only signed up for Verfieid Fan, not the ticket lottery) OR tried for very tight shows to begin with like MSG, OR most importanly and most likely entered GA only.
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VF is going to be a mess. I'm going for MSG and I have no expectation that I or my husband will be verified. Fingers crossed.
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the point of that Oliver clip is that Ticketmaster is created to be “the bad guy.” Bands cannot sell $2500 tickets like major sports teams do, yet they are expected to charge the same price front row center as seats far away.not ideal for a profit making endeavor.
ticketmaster fees include substantial rebates to promoters, venues and artists. Oliver actually offered evidence of Bieber scalping his own tickets, as well as falling into a pit on his stage!
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I was cancelled for Toledo 96, next show I went to I had front row center because of the priority list. A pity they have lost this connection with fans
EDIT see below. TOLEDO was not cancelled, it was during the no TM years and we couldnt get tickets. So for not getting tickets we were put on a priority list. See letter below. Sorry I am old
So now people are again complaining about a system that at the current moment, may be the best system any band has created. They combat scalping by creating a system where it can only be resold at face value.
For not being able to get a ticket,
I was put on the priority list!
Keep in mind we had to MAIL our tenclub ticket requests. Internet was still a baby back then.