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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,020
    Look if he is willing to bomb the biggest power plant in europe.  Then he will have no problem  using  a nuke. 


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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,893
    Honestly not too sure what to think about the power plant 'attack'.  Who knows what exactly happened there.  I think Putin is an evil piece of shit and its hard giving him the benefit of the doubt, but Ukraine stands to gain a lot from this kind of outrage/fear.  No doubt Ukraine is also spreading a degree of misinformation.  I know Russia was quick in securing Chernobyl, for that very reason I believe.   
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    In early January, Big Wreck recorded this haunting version of Sting's classic, "Russians". What was purely a topical situation at the time, has clearly now unfolded to be a volatile and terrifying situations for millions. We have decided to release this song, with 100% of all proceeds going to the UNHRC (A United Nations Refugee Aid Organization). This organization is working to provide support and aid to refugees currently fleeing the violent situation in Ukraine.

    https://bigwreckmusic.bandcamp.com/track/russians

    and you can set your price, if you wish to donate more than the minimum. 


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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    MayDay10 said:
    Honestly not too sure what to think about the power plant 'attack'.  Who knows what exactly happened there.  I think Putin is an evil piece of shit and its hard giving him the benefit of the doubt, but Ukraine stands to gain a lot from this kind of outrage/fear.  No doubt Ukraine is also spreading a degree of misinformation.  I know Russia was quick in securing Chernobyl, for that very reason I believe.   
    Yup, fog of war. We know nothing yet. 

    Most likely it's the army being careless. This Russian army seems to make a lot of mistakes.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    If you're not living in Ukraine or Moldova, I would not let this war eat you alive with anxiety.  If you do, it's not about Putin, it's about your personal struggles and challenges.  Nuclear war is not imminent. 
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,893
    mrussel1 said:
    If you're not living in Ukraine or Moldova, I would not let this war eat you alive with anxiety.  If you do, it's not about Putin, it's about your personal struggles and challenges.  Nuclear war is not imminent. 
    I agree with this.

  • Hobbes
    Hobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,438
    dignin said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Honestly not too sure what to think about the power plant 'attack'.  Who knows what exactly happened there.  I think Putin is an evil piece of shit and its hard giving him the benefit of the doubt, but Ukraine stands to gain a lot from this kind of outrage/fear.  No doubt Ukraine is also spreading a degree of misinformation.  I know Russia was quick in securing Chernobyl, for that very reason I believe.   
    Yup, fog of war. We know nothing yet. 

    Most likely it's the army being careless. This Russian army seems to make a lot of mistakes.
    Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the fog of war.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,012
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    In early January, Big Wreck recorded this haunting version of Sting's classic, "Russians". What was purely a topical situation at the time, has clearly now unfolded to be a volatile and terrifying situations for millions. We have decided to release this song, with 100% of all proceeds going to the UNHRC (A United Nations Refugee Aid Organization). This organization is working to provide support and aid to refugees currently fleeing the violent situation in Ukraine.

    https://bigwreckmusic.bandcamp.com/track/russians

    and you can set your price, if you wish to donate more than the minimum. 


    I loved Big Wreck back in the day.
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,893
    Zalensky has reaffirmed a desire for talks directly with Putin and acknowledged he will need to make some concessions.  

    If this continues as-is, (even if Russia advances), Putin is going to have to realize his best course of action is at the diplomacy table at this point.  Pressure is mounting up against him domestically.  It will only increase with more time and blood.  He can still flaunt 'a win' at home.  An occupation per-se will be never-ending.

    As much as it sucks, I think NATO and the US will need to Summit with Putin as well in the aftermath.  
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,731
    I do kind of feel like it's time to push Putin back. Send bombers to Poland for a training exercise. Put troops on the border.


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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,012
    this is obviously very premature, I'm wondering if this is eventually going to turn into an Israel/Palestine type of situation where there is never ending conflict between Ukraine and Russia-occupied Ukraine. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Gern Blansten said:
    I do kind of feel like it's time to push Putin back. Send bombers to Poland for a training exercise. Put troops on the border.


    Yep.  This is what you call a self fulfilling prophesy.  Putin didn't need to worry about NATO until he created the conditions necessary to worry about NATO. 

    But at the end of the day, he's doing this because his country was already economically stunted.  His per capita GDP is third world. 
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,961
    Gern Blansten said:
    I do kind of feel like it's time to push Putin back. Send bombers to Poland for a training exercise. Put troops on the border.


    Heard on the radio that some troops are being deployed to NATO countries and other resources are being moved from places like Germany to the baltic area.  Unsure if true, but that's what I heard
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,860
    Gern Blansten said:
    I do kind of feel like it's time to push Putin back. Send bombers to Poland for a training exercise. Put troops on the border.


    The reason we don't do this is if something happens to one of our troops/planes/etc shit gets real.
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,028
    dignin said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Honestly not too sure what to think about the power plant 'attack'.  Who knows what exactly happened there.  I think Putin is an evil piece of shit and its hard giving him the benefit of the doubt, but Ukraine stands to gain a lot from this kind of outrage/fear.  No doubt Ukraine is also spreading a degree of misinformation.  I know Russia was quick in securing Chernobyl, for that very reason I believe.   
    This Russian army seems to make a lot of mistakes.

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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,860
    Poncier said:
    dignin said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Honestly not too sure what to think about the power plant 'attack'.  Who knows what exactly happened there.  I think Putin is an evil piece of shit and its hard giving him the benefit of the doubt, but Ukraine stands to gain a lot from this kind of outrage/fear.  No doubt Ukraine is also spreading a degree of misinformation.  I know Russia was quick in securing Chernobyl, for that very reason I believe.   
    This Russian army seems to make a lot of mistakes.

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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Poncier said:
    dignin said:
    MayDay10 said:
    Honestly not too sure what to think about the power plant 'attack'.  Who knows what exactly happened there.  I think Putin is an evil piece of shit and its hard giving him the benefit of the doubt, but Ukraine stands to gain a lot from this kind of outrage/fear.  No doubt Ukraine is also spreading a degree of misinformation.  I know Russia was quick in securing Chernobyl, for that very reason I believe.   
    This Russian army seems to make a lot of mistakes.

    The guy on the right?  Is that the one that kept calling Happy Gillmore a Jackass?
    Yep
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,731
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I do kind of feel like it's time to push Putin back. Send bombers to Poland for a training exercise. Put troops on the border.


    The reason we don't do this is if something happens to one of our troops/planes/etc shit gets real.
    It has to get real at some point. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Gern Blansten said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I do kind of feel like it's time to push Putin back. Send bombers to Poland for a training exercise. Put troops on the border.


    The reason we don't do this is if something happens to one of our troops/planes/etc shit gets real.
    It has to get real at some point. 
    It’s already real. Very real, unfortunately.
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  • brianlux
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    mrussel1 said:
    If you're not living in Ukraine or Moldova, I would not let this war eat you alive with anxiety.  If you do, it's not about Putin, it's about your personal struggles and challenges.  Nuclear war is not imminent. 

    Generally, what you say here, M, makes good sense.  Being eaten alive by anxiety is never a healthy way to go.  I have to work hard to curb my anxiety every day because I have chronic anxiety and this situation in Ukraine does not help.  Nor does thinking back and being a little kid in the early to mid 50's and having to do that damn duck and cover routine and having nightmares about bright flashes of light and nuclear death.  So I do all things things I know to do to curb the anxiety.
    But besides that, there is curbing the anger.  All these years of hoping for a better world, doing my little part, engaging in activism, education and discussion.  Sending money money money.  And now this.  I'm extremely disappointed and angry that we are where we are at.   The only antidote to that anger is to keep hoping for a miracle... or at least some well thought out actions by people with the ability to make a difference, as well as the hope that the world at large will come to it's senses and see how dangerous authoritarian rule is and turn to democracy as the better way.
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