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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    If you're not living in Ukraine or Moldova, I would not let this war eat you alive with anxiety.  If you do, it's not about Putin, it's about your personal struggles and challenges.  Nuclear war is not imminent. 

    Generally, what you say here, M, makes good sense.  Being eaten alive by anxiety is never a healthy way to go.  I have to work hard to curb my anxiety every day because I have chronic anxiety and this situation in Ukraine does not help.  Nor does thinking back and being a little kid in the early to mid 50's and having to do that damn duck and cover routine and having nightmares about bright flashes of light and nuclear death.  So I do all things things I know to do to curb the anxiety.
    But besides that, there is curbing the anger.  All these years of hoping for a better world, doing my little part, engaging in activism, education and discussion.  Sending money money money.  And now this.  I'm extremely disappointed and angry that we are where we are at.   The only antidote to that anger is to keep hoping for a miracle... or at least some well thought out actions by people with the ability to make a difference, as well as the hope that the world at large will come to it's senses and see how dangerous authoritarian rule is and turn to democracy as the better way.
    Think of it this way, Brian, I'm actually heartened by what is happening.  As a person of direct Ukrainian descent, I'm horrified by what is happening to the country.  However, in the 20s, 30, and 40's, these invasions were commonplace and often led to shrugs and isolationist tendencies from Americans and people from all over the world.  I cannot think of a similar action which has led to such swift and unified anger from the world community as this invasion.  Even China and India abstained from certain votes rather than lend their support to Russia in their actions.  Yes, they are officially against sanctions, but that is always their position.  

    So look for the upside, of which there is some.  Not only has the world community come together, but the people have as well, through social media, in a way that we've never seen before in our history.  Everyone is watching and judging.  We're also watching the massive demonstrations in Moscow and St Petersburg too. No matter how this war concludes, Russia will be a pariah state for years to come, certainly as long as Putin's regime is in place.
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,239
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    If you're not living in Ukraine or Moldova, I would not let this war eat you alive with anxiety.  If you do, it's not about Putin, it's about your personal struggles and challenges.  Nuclear war is not imminent. 

    Generally, what you say here, M, makes good sense.  Being eaten alive by anxiety is never a healthy way to go.  I have to work hard to curb my anxiety every day because I have chronic anxiety and this situation in Ukraine does not help.  Nor does thinking back and being a little kid in the early to mid 50's and having to do that damn duck and cover routine and having nightmares about bright flashes of light and nuclear death.  So I do all things things I know to do to curb the anxiety.
    But besides that, there is curbing the anger.  All these years of hoping for a better world, doing my little part, engaging in activism, education and discussion.  Sending money money money.  And now this.  I'm extremely disappointed and angry that we are where we are at.   The only antidote to that anger is to keep hoping for a miracle... or at least some well thought out actions by people with the ability to make a difference, as well as the hope that the world at large will come to it's senses and see how dangerous authoritarian rule is and turn to democracy as the better way.
    Think of it this way, Brian, I'm actually heartened by what is happening.  As a person of direct Ukrainian descent, I'm horrified by what is happening to the country.  However, in the 20s, 30, and 40's, these invasions were commonplace and often led to shrugs and isolationist tendencies from Americans and people from all over the world.  I cannot think of a similar action which has led to such swift and unified anger from the world community as this invasion.  Even China and India abstained from certain votes rather than lend their support to Russia in their actions.  Yes, they are officially against sanctions, but that is always their position.  

    So look for the upside, of which there is some.  Not only has the world community come together, but the people have as well, through social media, in a way that we've never seen before in our history.  Everyone is watching and judging.  We're also watching the massive demonstrations in Moscow and St Petersburg too. No matter how this war concludes, Russia will be a pariah state for years to come, certainly as long as Putin's regime is in place.
    Post of the year so far. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    Pearl Jam playing festivals sponsored by oil companies keep aging amazingly 




    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    edited March 2022
    nicknyr15 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    If you're not living in Ukraine or Moldova, I would not let this war eat you alive with anxiety.  If you do, it's not about Putin, it's about your personal struggles and challenges.  Nuclear war is not imminent. 

    Generally, what you say here, M, makes good sense.  Being eaten alive by anxiety is never a healthy way to go.  I have to work hard to curb my anxiety every day because I have chronic anxiety and this situation in Ukraine does not help.  Nor does thinking back and being a little kid in the early to mid 50's and having to do that damn duck and cover routine and having nightmares about bright flashes of light and nuclear death.  So I do all things things I know to do to curb the anxiety.
    But besides that, there is curbing the anger.  All these years of hoping for a better world, doing my little part, engaging in activism, education and discussion.  Sending money money money.  And now this.  I'm extremely disappointed and angry that we are where we are at.   The only antidote to that anger is to keep hoping for a miracle... or at least some well thought out actions by people with the ability to make a difference, as well as the hope that the world at large will come to it's senses and see how dangerous authoritarian rule is and turn to democracy as the better way.
    Think of it this way, Brian, I'm actually heartened by what is happening.  As a person of direct Ukrainian descent, I'm horrified by what is happening to the country.  However, in the 20s, 30, and 40's, these invasions were commonplace and often led to shrugs and isolationist tendencies from Americans and people from all over the world.  I cannot think of a similar action which has led to such swift and unified anger from the world community as this invasion.  Even China and India abstained from certain votes rather than lend their support to Russia in their actions.  Yes, they are officially against sanctions, but that is always their position.  

    So look for the upside, of which there is some.  Not only has the world community come together, but the people have as well, through social media, in a way that we've never seen before in our history.  Everyone is watching and judging.  We're also watching the massive demonstrations in Moscow and St Petersburg too. No matter how this war concludes, Russia will be a pariah state for years to come, certainly as long as Putin's regime is in place.
    Post of the year so far. 
    agreed. and I say this as the previous title holder. lol
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    If you're not living in Ukraine or Moldova, I would not let this war eat you alive with anxiety.  If you do, it's not about Putin, it's about your personal struggles and challenges.  Nuclear war is not imminent. 

    Generally, what you say here, M, makes good sense.  Being eaten alive by anxiety is never a healthy way to go.  I have to work hard to curb my anxiety every day because I have chronic anxiety and this situation in Ukraine does not help.  Nor does thinking back and being a little kid in the early to mid 50's and having to do that damn duck and cover routine and having nightmares about bright flashes of light and nuclear death.  So I do all things things I know to do to curb the anxiety.
    But besides that, there is curbing the anger.  All these years of hoping for a better world, doing my little part, engaging in activism, education and discussion.  Sending money money money.  And now this.  I'm extremely disappointed and angry that we are where we are at.   The only antidote to that anger is to keep hoping for a miracle... or at least some well thought out actions by people with the ability to make a difference, as well as the hope that the world at large will come to it's senses and see how dangerous authoritarian rule is and turn to democracy as the better way.
    Think of it this way, Brian, I'm actually heartened by what is happening.  As a person of direct Ukrainian descent, I'm horrified by what is happening to the country.  However, in the 20s, 30, and 40's, these invasions were commonplace and often led to shrugs and isolationist tendencies from Americans and people from all over the world.  I cannot think of a similar action which has led to such swift and unified anger from the world community as this invasion.  Even China and India abstained from certain votes rather than lend their support to Russia in their actions.  Yes, they are officially against sanctions, but that is always their position.  

    So look for the upside, of which there is some.  Not only has the world community come together, but the people have as well, through social media, in a way that we've never seen before in our history.  Everyone is watching and judging.  We're also watching the massive demonstrations in Moscow and St Petersburg too. No matter how this war concludes, Russia will be a pariah state for years to come, certainly as long as Putin's regime is in place.

    Good points, M. 
    I should make it clear that my concern, though to a degree is selfish, is even greater for the well being of Europe, especially some close friend who are European.  It's easier for us to stay relatively calm, but we don't have threat of a nuclear power plant being bombed to smithereens right next door to us.  And if that happens, we will all feel the ramifications is ways we don't want to think about.
    Sorry, don't mean to curb your optimism.  That is a good thing to have right now, as much as possible.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    edited March 2022
    Hey, Tim Bierman and  @Santos L. Halper - do you think now would be a good time double-check Tenclubs priorities, concerning having a US and a UK store but skipping having one for the European Union?



    Personally, I would make sure the  European Union had one.

    Regarding London:


    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Meltdown99
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    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    So, by maps and information found in abandoned trucks the War was planned to be done in 15 days - from februari 20th to march 6. 

    Wonder where they stand on the 6th...
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    Meltdown99 said:
    Maybe he will try to push it agina:


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Maybe he will try to push it agina:


    I don't blame Zelensky for pushing this.  WW3 is here for him right now.  However, creating a no fly zone that you enforce means it will be likely that there is air combat between Russia and NATO (or the US).  That's a significant escalation, the type of which we have not ever seen since what.. 1962?
  • Go Beavers
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Pearl Jam playing festivals sponsored by oil companies keep aging amazingly 





    Is the end result you're shooting for with the frequent themed posts about the band and hypocrisy is that Pearl Jam no longer take a stance on anything reflecting any significant values?
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    Go Beavers said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Pearl Jam playing festivals sponsored by oil companies keep aging amazingly 





    Is the end result you're shooting for with the frequent themed posts about the band and hypocrisy is that Pearl Jam no longer take a stance on anything reflecting any significant values?
    no
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    edited March 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Maybe he will try to push it agina:


    I don't blame Zelensky for pushing this.  WW3 is here for him right now.  However, creating a no fly zone that you enforce means it will be likely that there is air combat between Russia and NATO (or the US).  That's a significant escalation, the type of which we have not ever seen since what.. 1962?
    Yeah. I don't really understand if it is an act of desperation or if Zelensky thinks that it is sound and possible... 


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Pearl Jam playing festivals sponsored by oil companies keep aging amazingly 




    if they took the same stances they did in the 90's, they'd never play live again. everything is sponsored now. that wasn't so in the band's infancy. 
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  • static111
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Pearl Jam playing festivals sponsored by oil companies keep aging amazingly 





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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    Please don't tell me Pearl Jam played a festival sponsored by Shell oil.  Please!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,561
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Pearl Jam playing festivals sponsored by oil companies keep aging amazingly 





    Is the end result you're shooting for with the frequent themed posts about the band and hypocrisy is that Pearl Jam no longer take a stance on anything reflecting any significant values?
    no

    Butt's still chapped about the Motley Crue thing.
  • mrussel1
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    Nice work Brandon!  The administration had been supplying Ukraine for months. 

    As war loomed, U.S. armed Ukraine to hit Russian aircraft, tanks and prep for urban combat, declassified shipment list shows


    The United States drastically enhanced its shipments of lethal military aid and protective equipment to Ukraine as the prospect of a Russian invasion became more apparent and then a reality, according to a declassified accounting of transfers and sales reviewed by The Washington Post.
    The list indicates that as early as December, the Pentagon was equipping Ukrainian fighters with arms and equipment useful for fighting in urban areas, including shotguns and specialized suits to safeguard soldiers handling unexploded ordnance. Over the last week, the Biden administration has increased such shipments, sending Stinger antiaircraft missile systems for the first time and further augmenting Kyiv’s supply of antitank Javelin missiles and other ammunition.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    Nice work Brandon!  The administration had been supplying Ukraine for months. 

    As war loomed, U.S. armed Ukraine to hit Russian aircraft, tanks and prep for urban combat, declassified shipment list shows


    The United States drastically enhanced its shipments of lethal military aid and protective equipment to Ukraine as the prospect of a Russian invasion became more apparent and then a reality, according to a declassified accounting of transfers and sales reviewed by The Washington Post.
    The list indicates that as early as December, the Pentagon was equipping Ukrainian fighters with arms and equipment useful for fighting in urban areas, including shotguns and specialized suits to safeguard soldiers handling unexploded ordnance. Over the last week, the Biden administration has increased such shipments, sending Stinger antiaircraft missile systems for the first time and further augmenting Kyiv’s supply of antitank Javelin missiles and other ammunition.
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    14 widebody aircraft have landed to deliver supplies to Ukraine.
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