Viruses / Vaccines 2

shadowcast

mrussel1 said:

shadowcast said:

Bullshit.....You did no research on any alternative talking points. Most of this thread was from 2022 a full two years into COVID and you still were spewing out talking points from BIG Pharma and the politicians bought by them. You should all be embarrassed. We will never forget what hell you all put us and our kids through. You will feel it at the polls for the next 5 years. The people that were dying had 3-4 comorbidity's. Also if you died in a car accident and or were in hospice and had covid in your system they counted that as a covid death are just some more examples.  

Also PJ take those ridiculous mask's that are for sale off the store in the misc. section. Enough already. They are f-ing cloth mask's and do more harm than good. 

https://ratical.org/PandemicParallaxView/index.html#JMMA

Do people with co-morbidities not deserve to live?  

Of course they do. But they sure should have taken precautions. They isolate themselves. COVID sure wasn't sold that way to you now was it? They had you convinced that healthy people were dropping like flies and you bought it. Suicidal empathy is not the way. 

BF25394

shadowcast said:

We will never forget what hell you all put us and our kids through. You will feel it at the polls for the next 5 years. 

This is a real tell. Public health and vaccination are not partisan issues. By the way, Trump was president when they implemented 15 Days to Stop the Spread, and then 30 Days to Stop the Spread. Not Hillary Clinton. Not Joe Biden. Trump was the president who authorized Operation Warp Speed to quickly develop the vaccine. For Christ's sake, Trump complains to this day that the vaccine wasn't available before the 2020 election. But it's all Democrats' fault.

The scary thing is that people like you have put folks into power who are going to make us less safe, less healthy and poorer, and you'll swallow it gladly as long as you can "own the libs" (regardless of the fact that most of the people who will suffer are not liberals, and some of the people you're arguing with here are not liberals). Trump got 49.8 percent of the vote, and all he's done since his election is alienate everyone other than his base of cult members. Your hubris is really misplaced in a world where a Republican presidential candidate has not received 50 percent of the vote since 2004 and just once since 1988. The 2026 midterms are not shaping up to bear out your prediction/threat above.

Tim Simmons

shadowcast said:

This is like yelling at someone for reading in a library. 

Tell me you haven’t been to a library without saying you haven’t been to a library, a place famous for having people yelling 

Halifax2TheMax

New right wing buzz term, “suicidal empathy.”

Tim Simmons

Dark Empathy was right there. 

dignin

I agree, the world today has way too much empathy.

mrussel1

shadowcast said:

mrussel1 said:

shadowcast said:

Bullshit.....You did no research on any alternative talking points. Most of this thread was from 2022 a full two years into COVID and you still were spewing out talking points from BIG Pharma and the politicians bought by them. You should all be embarrassed. We will never forget what hell you all put us and our kids through. You will feel it at the polls for the next 5 years. The people that were dying had 3-4 comorbidity's. Also if you died in a car accident and or were in hospice and had covid in your system they counted that as a covid death are just some more examples.  

Also PJ take those ridiculous mask's that are for sale off the store in the misc. section. Enough already. They are f-ing cloth mask's and do more harm than good. 

https://ratical.org/PandemicParallaxView/index.html#JMMA

Do people with co-morbidities not deserve to live?  

Of course they do. But they sure should have taken precautions. They isolate themselves. COVID sure wasn't sold that way to you now was it? They had you convinced that healthy people were dropping like flies and you bought it. Suicidal empathy is not the way. 

It's not practical for people with disabilities, immuno-compromised, co-morbidities to isolate themselves fully.  They have to go to work, the doctors, their kids and grandkids are in school, etc.  Second, you are applying knowledge you have now to decisions that were made without that knowledge.  Unless somehow you had some advance knowledge that the Trump administration didn't have.  Pray-tell, was that the situation?  

But let's talk about these co-morbidities.  Over 100MM Americans are considered obese.  Over 120MM have heart disease. 18MM have cancer.  38MM have diabetes.  Certainly there is overlap here, but it's easy to say that almost half of Americans have a co-morbidity.  So yeah, I'm pretty happy with how the vaccine turned out.  Now you tell me how half of America can isolate themselves while their wives, husbands, kids, parents, continue to live life as normal, and not transmit the disease.

23scidoo

shadowcast said:

Bullshit.....You did no research on any alternative talking points. Most of this thread was from 2022 a full two years into COVID and you still were spewing out talking points from BIG Pharma and the politicians bought by them. You should all be embarrassed. We will never forget what hell you all put us and our kids through. You will feel it at the polls for the next 5 years. The people that were dying had 3-4 comorbidity's. Also if you died in a car accident and or were in hospice and had covid in your system they counted that as a covid death are just some more examples.  

Also PJ take those ridiculous mask's that are for sale off the store in the misc. section. Enough already. They are f-ing cloth mask's and do more harm than good. 

https://ratical.org/PandemicParallaxView/index.html#JMMA

Exactly!!..car accideent, heart attack, canser, whatever you died, if you had covid they list you as covid victim..pathetic..
the fairy tale of ''millions died''..

benjs

mrussel1 said:

shadowcast said:

mrussel1 said:

shadowcast said:

Bullshit.....You did no research on any alternative talking points. Most of this thread was from 2022 a full two years into COVID and you still were spewing out talking points from BIG Pharma and the politicians bought by them. You should all be embarrassed. We will never forget what hell you all put us and our kids through. You will feel it at the polls for the next 5 years. The people that were dying had 3-4 comorbidity's. Also if you died in a car accident and or were in hospice and had covid in your system they counted that as a covid death are just some more examples.  

Also PJ take those ridiculous mask's that are for sale off the store in the misc. section. Enough already. They are f-ing cloth mask's and do more harm than good. 

https://ratical.org/PandemicParallaxView/index.html#JMMA

Do people with co-morbidities not deserve to live?  

Of course they do. But they sure should have taken precautions. They isolate themselves. COVID sure wasn't sold that way to you now was it? They had you convinced that healthy people were dropping like flies and you bought it. Suicidal empathy is not the way. 

It's not practical for people with disabilities, immuno-compromised, co-morbidities to isolate themselves fully.  They have to go to work, the doctors, their kids and grandkids are in school, etc.  Second, you are applying knowledge you have now to decisions that were made without that knowledge.  Unless somehow you had some advance knowledge that the Trump administration didn't have.  Pray-tell, was that the situation?  

But let's talk about these co-morbidities.  Over 100MM Americans are considered obese.  Over 120MM have heart disease. 18MM have cancer.  38MM have diabetes.  Certainly there is overlap here, but it's easy to say that almost half of Americans have a co-morbidity.  So yeah, I'm pretty happy with how the vaccine turned out.  Now you tell me how half of America can isolate themselves while their wives, husbands, kids, parents, continue to live life as normal, and not transmit the disease.

Another important part is just how many of these co-morbidities may not be known to the individual affected, specifically heart disease.

Tim Simmons

23scidoo said:

shadowcast said:

Bullshit.....You did no research on any alternative talking points. Most of this thread was from 2022 a full two years into COVID and you still were spewing out talking points from BIG Pharma and the politicians bought by them. You should all be embarrassed. We will never forget what hell you all put us and our kids through. You will feel it at the polls for the next 5 years. The people that were dying had 3-4 comorbidity's. Also if you died in a car accident and or were in hospice and had covid in your system they counted that as a covid death are just some more examples.  

Also PJ take those ridiculous mask's that are for sale off the store in the misc. section. Enough already. They are f-ing cloth mask's and do more harm than good. 

https://ratical.org/PandemicParallaxView/index.html#JMMA

Exactly!!..car accideent, heart attack, canser, whatever you died, if you had covid they list you as covid victim..pathetic..
the fairy tale of ''millions died''..

uh huh

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7539724/


yikes?

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-94-of-individuals-with-additional-causes-of-death-still-had-covid-1-idUSKBN25U2I4/

Tim Simmons

Its really amazing that certain people have figured out the truth about covid and yet aren't running any organizations who oversee guidance.

benjs

Tim Simmons said:

Its really amazing that certain people have figured out the truth about covid and yet aren't running any organizations who oversee guidance.

This seems to happen in so many sectors of life these days... an institution is mistrusted, and as a result, anything but that institution is given a credibility boost. It's such fallacious logic... I can't trust A, so therefore I can trust B because it's not A.

23scidoo

Tim Simmons said:

23scidoo said:

shadowcast said:

Bullshit.....You did no research on any alternative talking points. Most of this thread was from 2022 a full two years into COVID and you still were spewing out talking points from BIG Pharma and the politicians bought by them. You should all be embarrassed. We will never forget what hell you all put us and our kids through. You will feel it at the polls for the next 5 years. The people that were dying had 3-4 comorbidity's. Also if you died in a car accident and or were in hospice and had covid in your system they counted that as a covid death are just some more examples.  

Also PJ take those ridiculous mask's that are for sale off the store in the misc. section. Enough already. They are f-ing cloth mask's and do more harm than good. 

https://ratical.org/PandemicParallaxView/index.html#JMMA

Exactly!!..car accideent, heart attack, canser, whatever you died, if you had covid they list you as covid victim..pathetic..
the fairy tale of ''millions died''..

uh huh

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7539724/


yikes?

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-94-of-individuals-with-additional-causes-of-death-still-had-covid-1-idUSKBN25U2I4/

She is the president of Association of doctors of Athens Piraeus hospitals..i guess you don't know someone who speakin greeks, so i will help you here..

"I was completely against it from the beginning and I had said so, that the recording should be done this way. It was a recommendation from the committee, from then on, the moment it was decided this way, we continued this protocol in the hospitals. After two years, to remember now to change the protocol, it makes no sense. We all knew how the recording was done until now and the world knew it.

Anyone who came in for any reason, cancer patient, heart attack and was found to have covid, the final label we put was covid. This was wrong from the beginning for me, we had pointed it out, it makes no sense to have this discussion now. Why did they now think of changing the protocol, I think it makes no sense. In two years and five months, you change the recording? What's the point? The suggestion to follow this protocol was wrong from the beginning."

https://youtu.be/9AQZy0JNxc8?si=HJmtmFFjjGBU9gT6

tbergs

Yikes, these MAGA believers truly are the downfall of America. 2020 election was stolen, Covid is a hoax, vaccines didn't work, masks didn't work and J6 was a day of love. Holy fuck, to believe all of that I'd expect you to have your brain eaten. Are brain worms transmittable via droplets?

Tim Simmons

23scidoo said:

Tim Simmons said:

23scidoo said:

shadowcast said:

Bullshit.....You did no research on any alternative talking points. Most of this thread was from 2022 a full two years into COVID and you still were spewing out talking points from BIG Pharma and the politicians bought by them. You should all be embarrassed. We will never forget what hell you all put us and our kids through. You will feel it at the polls for the next 5 years. The people that were dying had 3-4 comorbidity's. Also if you died in a car accident and or were in hospice and had covid in your system they counted that as a covid death are just some more examples.  

Also PJ take those ridiculous mask's that are for sale off the store in the misc. section. Enough already. They are f-ing cloth mask's and do more harm than good. 

https://ratical.org/PandemicParallaxView/index.html#JMMA

Exactly!!..car accideent, heart attack, canser, whatever you died, if you had covid they list you as covid victim..pathetic..
the fairy tale of ''millions died''..

uh huh

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7539724/


yikes?

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-94-of-individuals-with-additional-causes-of-death-still-had-covid-1-idUSKBN25U2I4/

She is the president of Association of doctors of Athens Piraeus hospitals..i guess you don't know someone who speakin greeks, so i will help you here..

"I was completely against it from the beginning and I had said so, that the recording should be done this way. It was a recommendation from the committee, from then on, the moment it was decided this way, we continued this protocol in the hospitals. After two years, to remember now to change the protocol, it makes no sense. We all knew how the recording was done until now and the world knew it.

Anyone who came in for any reason, cancer patient, heart attack and was found to have covid, the final label we put was covid. This was wrong from the beginning for me, we had pointed it out, it makes no sense to have this discussion now. Why did they now think of changing the protocol, I think it makes no sense. In two years and five months, you change the recording? What's the point? The suggestion to follow this protocol was wrong from the beginning."

this sounds more like an indictment of how bad greek hospitals are more than anything. 

Tim Simmons

I guess that I don't get what you think the end game is in having this POV.  

tbergs

Tim Simmons said:

I guess that I don't get what you think the end game is in having this POV.  

Covid was a hoax that made big pharma billions and the government wanted to control us because they are owned by the pharma lobbyists, but that's the American version of the conspiracy. I don't know what the international reasons were. 

BF25394

Tim Simmons said:

I guess that I don't get what you think the end game is in having this POV.  

This is the thing about conspiracy theorists that puzzles me. There are some conspiracy theories that, even though they are false, I can understand why people might want to believe them because the truth is deeply unsettling. For example, it really upsets people to think that one loser acting alone could have killed John F. Kennedy, so there's some comfort, albeit ironic, in the idea that networks of people inside and outside the domestic and foreign governments and organized crime were behind it all. I don't think the conspiracy theory holds water, but I get why people might go there. Then you have the people who deny that we landed on the moon, or who insist that the world is flat, and I think, "Now whom exactly do they think profits from this conspiracy?" What does Big Round Earth gain from us all being kept in the dark about the "truth" that it's turtles all the way down?

Tim Simmons

I think about this every so often. I think, a lot of it is driven by a human need for control (a concept which is truly limited in the grand scheme of things). When we look at the world we see power and wealth imbalances, people in need of basic rights, a safety net, or even just basic consideration. And I think instead of trying to fix/solve the problem, or learn to just be at peace with it, we fill the vacuum created with nonsense or distraction, attempting to square the circle. Its like some way of feeling like your in control and having agency. 

23scidoo

Tim Simmons said:

23scidoo said:

Tim Simmons said:

23scidoo said:

shadowcast said:

Bullshit.....You did no research on any alternative talking points. Most of this thread was from 2022 a full two years into COVID and you still were spewing out talking points from BIG Pharma and the politicians bought by them. You should all be embarrassed. We will never forget what hell you all put us and our kids through. You will feel it at the polls for the next 5 years. The people that were dying had 3-4 comorbidity's. Also if you died in a car accident and or were in hospice and had covid in your system they counted that as a covid death are just some more examples.  

Also PJ take those ridiculous mask's that are for sale off the store in the misc. section. Enough already. They are f-ing cloth mask's and do more harm than good. 

https://ratical.org/PandemicParallaxView/index.html#JMMA

Exactly!!..car accideent, heart attack, canser, whatever you died, if you had covid they list you as covid victim..pathetic..
the fairy tale of ''millions died''..

uh huh

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7539724/


yikes?

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-94-of-individuals-with-additional-causes-of-death-still-had-covid-1-idUSKBN25U2I4/

She is the president of Association of doctors of Athens Piraeus hospitals..i guess you don't know someone who speakin greeks, so i will help you here..

"I was completely against it from the beginning and I had said so, that the recording should be done this way. It was a recommendation from the committee, from then on, the moment it was decided this way, we continued this protocol in the hospitals. After two years, to remember now to change the protocol, it makes no sense. We all knew how the recording was done until now and the world knew it.

Anyone who came in for any reason, cancer patient, heart attack and was found to have covid, the final label we put was covid. This was wrong from the beginning for me, we had pointed it out, it makes no sense to have this discussion now. Why did they now think of changing the protocol, I think it makes no sense. In two years and five months, you change the recording? What's the point? The suggestion to follow this protocol was wrong from the beginning."

this sounds more like an indictment of how bad greek hospitals are more than anything. 

Worldwide..