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  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 715
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    mrussel1 said:
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    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

    And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.
    Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  
    In the military for one. Federal jobs.

    It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

    *I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

    This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

    It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.
    The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

    Federal jobs, okay.  

    The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

    For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  
    No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 
    Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

    "Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

    Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  
    Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 
    Good for you. Plenty of people died who wouldn’t have had they gotten the vaccine. 

    Your argument makes no sense. 

    Again, you're bringing nothing constructive to asymptomatic infections/transmission conversation. 
    You stated the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. That’s false. 
    I stand with Walensky on that one. 
    but it's not what he said
    That's a she. Evidently, you didn't even read or watch her interview. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,436
    edited March 7
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    AW124797 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

    And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.
    Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  
    In the military for one. Federal jobs.

    It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

    *I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

    This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

    It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.
    The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

    Federal jobs, okay.  

    The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

    For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  
    No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 
    Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

    "Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

    Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  
    Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 
    "plenty"

    oh ok.

    Seriously? Never heard of asymptomatic covid infections before 2021?

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220307062

    What a waste of time. 

    and who would know without antibody test and who would know to take one.
    Are you implying they weren't testing for covid in 2020?

    asymptomatic people? wtf. you have no symptoms, why would you think you needed to? unless someone in your house or orbit for sure had symptoms/tested positive.

    my stepson brought it from his dads. wife and I tested because. no virus for us.
    You couldn't enter any hospital without covid test at the entry. Or covid test before visiting grandma. Do you need links? 
    You couldn't visit your grandparents without a Covid test?  I'm not sure where you live but that wasn't a problem here.  My kids went to my in-laws all the time.  Very strange. 

    And just because you couldn't be ADMITTED into the hospital without a covid test doesn't mean everyone was tested.  I wasn't becuase I didn't go to the hospital.  You seem to speak in generalities and extremes which is very weird and hard to follow.  
    English is my second language, but I do appreciate your condescending tone. It keeps me in line during current political climate.

    Anyway, Fauci recommended tests before visiting family at Thanksgiving and Christmas. Rings a bell? That was the question regarding testing of the asymptomatic.

    Also, any VISITOR, PATIENT or WORKER had to have a valid covid test before entering hospital. There's a world outside of Virginia or wherever your small and ignorant bubble is. 
    So Fauci recommends something and that is a gov't mandate that we had to follow?

    And if English is your second language, do we presume that you were not in the US during the Pandemic?  If that's the case, why do we care what you had to deal with?  You are making it sound like your gov't rules were ours.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,740
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

    And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.
    Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  
    In the military for one. Federal jobs.

    It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

    *I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

    This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

    It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.
    The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

    Federal jobs, okay.  

    The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

    For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  
    No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 
    Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

    "Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

    Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  
    Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 
    Good for you. Plenty of people died who wouldn’t have had they gotten the vaccine. 

    Your argument makes no sense. 

    Again, you're bringing nothing constructive to asymptomatic infections/transmission conversation. 
    You stated the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. That’s false. 
    I stand with Walensky on that one. 
    but it's not what he said
    That's a she. Evidently, you didn't even read or watch her interview. 
    I read the article posted. I didn’t see a video link. I will revisit. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,740
    Yeah, testing before visiting in large groups was recommended when at home tests were widely available. Who cares? People who wanted to, did, thise who didn’t want to, didn’t. 

    Why is this even a thing? 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,740
    AW124797 said:
    and “vaccines can’t prevent transmission” statement is false. The direct quote is  

    “Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Thursday.”. 

    The “who get a breakthrough infection” part is important. Funny how CNN articles are only posted when they believe they fit their narrative. 

    Not only that, but it’s common sense that if the vaccine, even in situations of breakthrough infection, mitigates symptoms and severity/length of illness, obviously that means that rate of spread from that person is also mitigated. 

    I can’t believe people still don’t understand this. It’s like arguing a kleenex is useless cuz it doesn’t catch every snot particle. 



    Sorry, but that might be some form of a delusional disorder. You don't even have to scroll down. It's in the 2nd paragraph.

    “Our vaccines are working exceptionally well,” Walensky told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “They continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death – they prevent it. But what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.” 

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html
    So you whine about someone else’s supposed tone towards you but you tell me I have a delusional disorder? 

    Do you not understand the difference between “the vaccines don’t prevent spread” directly and indirectly (lessening length and severity of symptoms which account for a higher viral load and probability of spreading germs?). You understand the difference between breathing normally and an unblocked sneeze, don’t you? Or am I being condescending? 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,825
    AW124797 said:
    BF25394 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

    And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.
    Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  
    In the military for one. Federal jobs.

    It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

    *I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

    This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

    It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.
    The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

    Federal jobs, okay.  

    The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

    For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  
    No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 
    I love when people claim that falsehoods are "well[-]established."

    Uptake of the vaccine decreased the spread by preventing some infections and mitigating the severity of others. Less severe infections shed less virus and are less contagious. There are plenty of data supporting these conclusions.
    Walesnsky, CDC Director, admitted live on TV that vaccines can't prevent transmission. 

    NY healthcare covid vaccine mandate lawsuit came to the same conclusion. 

    Seems well-established. 

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

    https://www.syracuse.com/health/2023/01/syracuse-judge-strikes-down-ny-vaccine-mandate-for-health-workers-state-overstepped-authority.html

    https://apnews.com/article/politics-health-new-york-city-kathy-hochul-syracuse-c5bea9c7e0e7220d42c45fe9fa96b47c
    That wasn't the claim. The claim was that "the vaccine did fuck all for the spread." This is false.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,825
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

    And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.
    Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  
    In the military for one. Federal jobs.

    It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

    *I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

    This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

    It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.
    The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

    Federal jobs, okay.  

    The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

    For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  
    No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 
    Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

    "Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

    Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  
    Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 
    Good for you. Plenty of people died who wouldn’t have had they gotten the vaccine. 

    Your argument makes no sense. 

    Again, you're bringing nothing constructive to asymptomatic infections/transmission conversation. 
    You stated the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. That’s false. 
    I didn't realize that you beat me to this response. Hat tip.

    To AW: In clinical trials before distribution, the vaccine had a success rate of 94-96 percent, depending on the trial and the vaccine. It was always clear from those data that transmission could still occur, but that severity was mitigated in instances of transmission among the vaccinated.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,825
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    AW124797 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    AW124797 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

    And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.
    Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  
    In the military for one. Federal jobs.

    It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

    *I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

    This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

    It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.
    The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

    Federal jobs, okay.  

    The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

    For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  
    No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 
    Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

    "Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

    Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  
    Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 
    "plenty"

    oh ok.

    Seriously? Never heard of asymptomatic covid infections before 2021?

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220307062

    What a waste of time. 

    and who would know without antibody test and who would know to take one.
    Are you implying they weren't testing for covid in 2020?

    asymptomatic people? wtf. you have no symptoms, why would you think you needed to? unless someone in your house or orbit for sure had symptoms/tested positive.

    my stepson brought it from his dads. wife and I tested because. no virus for us.
    You couldn't enter any hospital without covid test at the entry. Or covid test before visiting grandma. Do you need links? 
    You couldn't visit your grandparents without a Covid test?  I'm not sure where you live but that wasn't a problem here.  My kids went to my in-laws all the time.  Very strange. 

    And just because you couldn't be ADMITTED into the hospital without a covid test doesn't mean everyone was tested.  I wasn't becuase I didn't go to the hospital.  You seem to speak in generalities and extremes which is very weird and hard to follow.  
    English is my second language, but I do appreciate your condescending tone. It keeps me in line during current political climate.

    Anyway, Fauci recommended tests before visiting family at Thanksgiving and Christmas. Rings a bell? That was the question regarding testing of the asymptomatic.

    Also, any VISITOR, PATIENT or WORKER had to have a valid covid test before entering hospital. There's a world outside of Virginia or wherever your small and ignorant bubble is. 
    How does "fuck all" translate in your primary language? Is it something other than "nothing"? Because that's what it conveys in English.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,155
    AW124797 said:
    This thread brings pure joy to my heart.
    *Pure* joy 
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,595
    AW124797 said:
    This thread brings pure joy to my heart.
    *Pure* joy 
    Oh, so much fun..
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,861
    BREAKING: Texas pharmacies are running out of MMR vaccines as the measles outbreak spirals.
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    As West Texas grapples with the ongoing measles outbreak, many continue to choose family autonomy over vaccine mandates. A collaboration with Texas Tribune @texas_tribune
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,861
    A measles case in Maryland. At an AIRPORT.

    From the Maryland Dept of Health (because God knows RFK Jr's CDC won't say anything), March 9, 2025:

    https://health.maryland.gov/newsroom/Pages/One-Case-of-Measles-Confirmed-in-Maryland.aspx
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,738
    mickeyrat said:
    BREAKING: Texas pharmacies are running out of MMR vaccines as the measles outbreak spirals.
    While on its face bad, I hope this is a good thing because an overwhelming amount of people are vaccinating. But also, I hope it’s not double bad that they only had like 10,000 doses in the state because Texas decided to be tough or something. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,436
    mickeyrat said:
    BREAKING: Texas pharmacies are running out of MMR vaccines as the measles outbreak spirals.
    While on its face bad, I hope this is a good thing because an overwhelming amount of people are vaccinating. But also, I hope it’s not double bad that they only had like 10,000 doses in the state because Texas decided to be tough or something. 
    Only hippies and commies stockpile enough medicine.  
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,698
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    BREAKING: Texas pharmacies are running out of MMR vaccines as the measles outbreak spirals.
    While on its face bad, I hope this is a good thing because an overwhelming amount of people are vaccinating. But also, I hope it’s not double bad that they only had like 10,000 doses in the state because Texas decided to be tough or something. 
    Only hippies and commies stockpile enough medicine.  
    Weed & wine too 😉
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,436
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    BREAKING: Texas pharmacies are running out of MMR vaccines as the measles outbreak spirals.
    While on its face bad, I hope this is a good thing because an overwhelming amount of people are vaccinating. But also, I hope it’s not double bad that they only had like 10,000 doses in the state because Texas decided to be tough or something. 
    Only hippies and commies stockpile enough medicine.  
    Weed & wine too 😉
    It was my understanding that those fell into the category of "medicine".  Sort of like Fruit Roll-Ups are considered fruit to the US Gov't for student lunches.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,660
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    BREAKING: Texas pharmacies are running out of MMR vaccines as the measles outbreak spirals.
    While on its face bad, I hope this is a good thing because an overwhelming amount of people are vaccinating. But also, I hope it’s not double bad that they only had like 10,000 doses in the state because Texas decided to be tough or something. 
    Only hippies and commies stockpile enough medicine.  
    Weed & wine too 😉
    It was my understanding that those fell into the category of "medicine".  Sort of like Fruit Roll-Ups are considered fruit to the US Gov't for student lunches.  
    Kinda like Catsup is a vegetable.
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  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 1,545
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    BREAKING: Texas pharmacies are running out of MMR vaccines as the measles outbreak spirals.
    While on its face bad, I hope this is a good thing because an overwhelming amount of people are vaccinating. But also, I hope it’s not double bad that they only had like 10,000 doses in the state because Texas decided to be tough or something. 
    Only hippies and commies stockpile enough medicine.  
    Weed & wine too 😉
    It was my understanding that those fell into the category of "medicine".  Sort of like Fruit Roll-Ups are considered fruit to the US Gov't for student lunches.  
    Kinda like Catsup is a vegetable.



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    😂
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,660
    I’m beginning to think that the billionaire class is hoping for a world wide culling of the planet’s population so they can have more for themselves. It’s just a matter of time until the shit really hits the fan. But it’s okay because it’ll be gone by Easter or whatever the closest holiday might be. Long article worth the read.

    THE DISEASES ARE COMING

    Elon Musk’s slash-and-burn government tear will have lasting effects on global health.

    MARCH 10, 2025

    At Donald Trump’s first Cabinet meeting, late last month, Elon Musk sheepishly admitted that DOGE had “accidentally canceled very briefly” Ebola-prevention programs. After a nervous chuckle, he claimed that the oversight had been swiftly corrected. But it wasn’t. The truth is far more disturbing—this administration didn’t just pause a line item; it has actively dismantled the infrastructure the country relies on to detect and confront deadly pathogens.

    For more than a decade, I have worked as a physician and public-health expert responding to infectious diseases around the world. In 2014, while treating Ebola patients in Guinea, I contracted and survived Ebola myself. I know how lethal Donald Trump’s assault on America’s outbreak preparedness could be. We are sure to regret it.

    DOGE’s slash-and-burn campaign has hit everything from the NIH to the National Weather Service. The cuts to global health, however, are especially alarming. It’s unclear what Musk thought would happen when he fed the U.S. Agency for International Development “into the wood chipper,” as he proclaimed with gleeful indifference on X, the social-media megaphone he owns. Ditto what Trump thought when he withdrew the United States from the World Health Organization and effectively muzzled the CDC. But the result has been that, in little more than a month, America has transformed itself from a preeminent global-health leader into an untrustworthy has-been. Undermining even one of these institutions would have posed a serious threat; gutting them all at once is an invitation for future outbreaks.

    The fallout from these sweeping cuts is particularly evident when examining USAID, or what’s left of it. The agency’s tagline was “From the American people,” and perhaps the American people didn’t understand that it was also for them. Musk disparaged the agency outright—declaring it a “criminal organization.” The White House pointed to alleged wasteful spending, including funding for a “DEI musical” in Ireland (which wasn’t even funded by USAID, it turned out). In decrying the agency’s downfall, many Democrats focused more on the importance of “soft power” foreign policy than on-the-ground impact. Yet much of USAID’s budget was devoted to addressing humanitarian and health crises abroad with the implicit goal of preventing these emergencies from reaching our own shores. (Explicitly, the goal was to “advance American security and prosperity.”) Americans are safer when instability and infectious threats are effectively managed on foreign lands.

    USAID was also the primary funder of the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, established in 2003 under George W. Bush. PEPFAR has saved more than 25 million lives and helped smother the global HIV pandemic. More than 20 million people—500,000 of them children—were receiving HIV treatment through the program when Trump signed an executive order on his first day back in office pausing all foreign aid for 90 days. Secretary of State Marco Rubio promised that waivers would allow the life-saving work to continue, but few have materialized. Meanwhile, USAID staff who were placed on administrative leave can’t distribute medicines or cover costs for transport and personnel. After this dismantling, PEPFAR’s activities in hundreds of places around the world remain restricted at best, and fully paused at worst. Without the support long provided by the program, thousands of people will likely die far younger than they would have with proper medical care. PEPFAR’s current authorization ends later this month; its future after that is unclear.

    Similarly, USAID’s efforts to stop Ebola at its source are also now gone. USAID’s role in Ebola containment has long been essential. During the 2014 West Africa outbreak—during which more than 11,000 people died—USAID oversaw training of local health-care workers, the building of Ebola treatment centers, and passenger screening at the borders and airports. A decade later and just days into Trump’s second term, Uganda reported another Ebola outbreak. This time, though, the foreign-aid freeze Trump had put in place meant that USAID was unable to supply the usual resources for transporting lab specimens or implementing airport screening. The day after Musk reassured the Cabinet that Ebola prevention had been swiftly restored, the State Department canceled crucial contact tracing and surveillance efforts for Uganda’s outbreak. With USAID nowhere to be found, the WHO scaled up its own response. That’s something, for now, but America’s absence is shameful.

    Moreover, the WHO may not have the capacity to do so for much longer. On his first day in office, Trump signed an executive order moving to withdraw from the WHO, accusing it of demanding “onerous payments from the United States.” In 2023, the U.S. contributed $481 million—an eighth of what Americans spend on professional dog-training services every year—to WHO’s operating budget. Admittedly, many Americans—fueled by Trump’s denigration of the organization—developed a deep distrust of the WHO following perceived missteps during the coronavirus pandemic. Even its supporters can see the organization’s flaws—it’s bureaucratic, sclerotic, and overdue for reform. Despite these shortcomings, it is an organization we desperately need, and no real alternative exists.


    Continues 


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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,738
    I’m beginning to think that the billionaire class is hoping for a world wide culling of the planet’s population so they can have more for themselves. 
    But then, who will grease the wheels of capaitalism?
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,738
    I think we need to get over the notion that billionaires, and this admin are like some 4D chess playing supervillain and the reality is they are just a basic supervillain who wants power and wants to inflict pain, because they have the ability to do so. Less Ozymandias from Watchmen and more Sauron from Marvel (who doesn’t want to cure cancer but just wants dinosaurs).
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,660
    You get what you pay, or should I say, “vote”, for. Good luck.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,660
    I’m beginning to think that the billionaire class is hoping for a world wide culling of the planet’s population so they can have more for themselves. 
    But then, who will grease the wheels of capaitalism?
    Whoever is left to lord over.
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,738
    That’s not how it works
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,738
    You get what you pay, or should I say, “vote”, for. Good luck.
    Certainly fuck the people who didn’t vote for it right? They should have knocked in more doors, right? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,660
    You get what you pay, or should I say, “vote”, for. Good luck.
    Certainly fuck the people who didn’t vote for it right? They should have knocked in more doors, right? 
    Can’t fix stupid and stupid won.
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  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 1,545
    You get what you pay, or should I say, “vote”, for. Good luck.
    Certainly fuck the people who didn’t vote for it right? They should have knocked in more doors, right? 
    Can’t fix stupid and stupid won.
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    1996; 9/28 New York
    1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
    1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
    2000: 10/17 Dallas
    2003: 4/3 OKC
    2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
    2013: 11/16 OKC
    2014: 10/8 Tulsa
    2022: 9/20 OKC
    2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
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