Viruses / Vaccines 2

23scidoo

mrussel1 said:

Poncier said:

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

64 million does in Germany and this woman sues because the vaccine caused her to suffer upper-body pain, swollen extremities, fatigue and sleeping disorder.

Sure, millions of deaths or this woman's "upper body pain".  This is a tough call.  

Trial my friend..ah, and you forget to mention she is a doctor, a scientist as you like to call..lol..
Any comments for your government money went to China's labs??.. Did Fauci knew that??..

You're completely missing the point. I don't care if she's Madonna or the Pope or a scientist - the fact remains, she's convinced that the vaccine did this to her, and she has no evidence to make that claim with. If she had evidence, she would take the next steps towards accountability - aka a lawsuit.

The fact remains? What are you talking about? BioNTech is facing hundreds of lawsuits in Germany and she is the first one. Completely missing the point is right.

I apologize - I made a snarky remark, and didn't realize that she had started a lawsuit. To that, I say great! Let's get a legal answer to whether this is their fault or not.

I'm sure you guys will completely acknowledge and accept the outcome of these suits which ever direction they rule. 

You made a snarky remark without reading the article. It's completely fair if our acknowledgment and acceptance is on par with your bias and ignorance. 

so you'll only accept the results if they come out in your favour. right on brand. 

No. I just spun it around to highlight the hypocrisy. It's amusing and sad. 

it's not hypocrisy. he admitted he missed a detail that was posted. that is not the same as saying what you said about acknowledgement and acceptance. 

Please. It's not "a detail." It's the main theme of that article. All you need to do is check the title. Evidently, he didn't bother. 

1. The original poster has not earned any scrutinizing of his content - as he doesn't scrutinize it before posting anyways.
2. I already said I didn't read it in enough detail - ready to move on? 
3. My bias is towards theories with evidence (i.e. facts), and while I try to remain ignorant of conspiracies, places like this make that difficult.
4. I ate my crow with respect to my pathetic reading and comprehension capacity, so now you've "won", so can we move on to my other question? If these lawsuits prove fault on behalf of BioNTech, etc., I'd eat more crow. If they don't, will you accept those results or just continue down the slippery eel path of a typical conspiracy theorist - heightening the acceptable burden of proof as it reaches your prior set of standards?

I'll move on after I add that I'm still certain you didn't read that article initially. You just checked few comments here and already presumed the lawsuit lady was full of shit. Also, please elaborate on theories with facts. How is POTENTIAL hospitalizations fantasy argument more factual than claiming something is ineffective after being infected 3 times with Covid despite 2 doses of covid vaccine and 3 boosters? And how is that a conspiracy if someone thinks the vaccine is futile after having Covid 3 times?

Let's use our brains a little, even giving your statements initial credibility:

1. The original vaccine was designed for the original strain, so like a flu vaccine, after mutation it is less effective.
2. Virus vaccines are not for the rest of your life.  It doesn't matter how many times you get one, the effectiveness wanes over time.  Getting 3 boosters over three years has nothing to do with the virus you did or did not get in year four (or even three).  

How is #1 helping you here? If you use your brain, would you take an outdated shot on four/five occasions for a strain that was long gone before its vaccine was rolled out? 

2. Again, let's use our brains here a little. For mickeyrat it lasted 3 months. It's a bit short, isn't it? 

to repeat, it was never supposed to prevent. politicians told you that. did the manufacturers?

 

The manufacturers most definitely told us the vaccines were around 95% effective at preventing transmission of Covid-19 in the early days of vaccine rollout. That was the story line at the time until evidence and mutations showed that it wasn't the case.

That's about right.  This CDC report shows that in real world trials (nursing homes), it was 75% effective against transmission.  Some places showed as high as 95%.  Once the Delta mutation took over, that went down to the 50's, but it was still highly effective against hospitalization and death.  Which to me, seems worthwhile considering how rare and insignificant the side effects were.  

In fairness, this information was from so called "scientists" and not my favorite You Tubers or goat girl on Twitter.  They are normally my 'go to' source. 

Punchline:

Both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vaccines were highly effective in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection in nursing home residents early after vaccine introduction. However, the effectiveness among this population in recent months has been significantly lower. To prevent transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in nursing homes, these findings highlight the critical importance of COVID-19 vaccination of staff members, residents, and visitors and adherence to rigorous COVID-19 prevention strategies. An additional dose of COVID-19 vaccine might be considered for nursing home and long-term care facility residents to optimize a protective immune response

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm

You forgot all those..
''Nobody would be safe until is full vaccinate''
''This is the pantemic of the unvaccinate''
''100% safe and effective''..
short memory..

benjs

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

Poncier said:

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

64 million does in Germany and this woman sues because the vaccine caused her to suffer upper-body pain, swollen extremities, fatigue and sleeping disorder.

Sure, millions of deaths or this woman's "upper body pain".  This is a tough call.  

Trial my friend..ah, and you forget to mention she is a doctor, a scientist as you like to call..lol..
Any comments for your government money went to China's labs??.. Did Fauci knew that??..

You're completely missing the point. I don't care if she's Madonna or the Pope or a scientist - the fact remains, she's convinced that the vaccine did this to her, and she has no evidence to make that claim with. If she had evidence, she would take the next steps towards accountability - aka a lawsuit.

The fact remains? What are you talking about? BioNTech is facing hundreds of lawsuits in Germany and she is the first one. Completely missing the point is right.

I apologize - I made a snarky remark, and didn't realize that she had started a lawsuit. To that, I say great! Let's get a legal answer to whether this is their fault or not.

I'm sure you guys will completely acknowledge and accept the outcome of these suits which ever direction they rule. 

You made a snarky remark without reading the article. It's completely fair if our acknowledgment and acceptance is on par with your bias and ignorance. 

so you'll only accept the results if they come out in your favour. right on brand. 

No. I just spun it around to highlight the hypocrisy. It's amusing and sad. 

it's not hypocrisy. he admitted he missed a detail that was posted. that is not the same as saying what you said about acknowledgement and acceptance. 

Please. It's not "a detail." It's the main theme of that article. All you need to do is check the title. Evidently, he didn't bother. 

1. The original poster has not earned any scrutinizing of his content - as he doesn't scrutinize it before posting anyways.
2. I already said I didn't read it in enough detail - ready to move on? 
3. My bias is towards theories with evidence (i.e. facts), and while I try to remain ignorant of conspiracies, places like this make that difficult.
4. I ate my crow with respect to my pathetic reading and comprehension capacity, so now you've "won", so can we move on to my other question? If these lawsuits prove fault on behalf of BioNTech, etc., I'd eat more crow. If they don't, will you accept those results or just continue down the slippery eel path of a typical conspiracy theorist - heightening the acceptable burden of proof as it reaches your prior set of standards?

I'll move on after I add that I'm still certain you didn't read that article initially. You just checked few comments here and already presumed the lawsuit lady was full of shit. Also, please elaborate on theories with facts. How is POTENTIAL hospitalizations fantasy argument more factual than claiming something is ineffective after being infected 3 times with Covid despite 2 doses of covid vaccine and 3 boosters? And how is that a conspiracy if someone thinks the vaccine is futile after having Covid 3 times?

Let's use our brains a little, even giving your statements initial credibility:

1. The original vaccine was designed for the original strain, so like a flu vaccine, after mutation it is less effective.
2. Virus vaccines are not for the rest of your life.  It doesn't matter how many times you get one, the effectiveness wanes over time.  Getting 3 boosters over three years has nothing to do with the virus you did or did not get in year four (or even three).  

How is #1 helping you here? If you use your brain, would you take an outdated shot on four/five occasions for a strain that was long gone before its vaccine was rolled out? 

2. Again, let's use our brains here a little. For mickeyrat it lasted 3 months. It's a bit short, isn't it? 

to repeat, it was never supposed to prevent. politicians told you that. did the manufacturers?

 

The manufacturers most definitely told us the vaccines were around 95% effective at preventing transmission of Covid-19 in the early days of vaccine rollout. That was the story line at the time until evidence and mutations showed that it wasn't the case.

That's about right.  This CDC report shows that in real world trials (nursing homes), it was 75% effective against transmission.  Some places showed as high as 95%.  Once the Delta mutation took over, that went down to the 50's, but it was still highly effective against hospitalization and death.  Which to me, seems worthwhile considering how rare and insignificant the side effects were.  

In fairness, this information was from so called "scientists" and not my favorite You Tubers or goat girl on Twitter.  They are normally my 'go to' source. 

Punchline:

Both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vaccines were highly effective in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection in nursing home residents early after vaccine introduction. However, the effectiveness among this population in recent months has been significantly lower. To prevent transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in nursing homes, these findings highlight the critical importance of COVID-19 vaccination of staff members, residents, and visitors and adherence to rigorous COVID-19 prevention strategies. An additional dose of COVID-19 vaccine might be considered for nursing home and long-term care facility residents to optimize a protective immune response

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm

You forgot all those..
''Nobody would be safe until is full vaccinate''
''This is the pantemic of the unvaccinate''
''100% safe and effective''..
short memory..

Where’s that proof that the vaccine is anything but safe? You keep talking about promoting safety, but you’ve yet to show anything conclusive that the vaccines are dangerous. Just lawsuits in progress and shadow figures that don’t get covered by mainstream media.

On the former - a lawsuit in progress means fuck all other than someone has logic based allegation. IT IS NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING!

On the latter, choose a conclusion: either the world is ALL in on the lie and are suppressing these concerns on ALL of their respective news networks; or there isn’t ample evidence to call it news and thus they don’t. 

cblock4life

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

Poncier said:

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

64 million does in Germany and this woman sues because the vaccine caused her to suffer upper-body pain, swollen extremities, fatigue and sleeping disorder.

Sure, millions of deaths or this woman's "upper body pain".  This is a tough call.  

Trial my friend..ah, and you forget to mention she is a doctor, a scientist as you like to call..lol..
Any comments for your government money went to China's labs??.. Did Fauci knew that??..

You're completely missing the point. I don't care if she's Madonna or the Pope or a scientist - the fact remains, she's convinced that the vaccine did this to her, and she has no evidence to make that claim with. If she had evidence, she would take the next steps towards accountability - aka a lawsuit.

The fact remains? What are you talking about? BioNTech is facing hundreds of lawsuits in Germany and she is the first one. Completely missing the point is right.

I apologize - I made a snarky remark, and didn't realize that she had started a lawsuit. To that, I say great! Let's get a legal answer to whether this is their fault or not.

I'm sure you guys will completely acknowledge and accept the outcome of these suits which ever direction they rule. 

You made a snarky remark without reading the article. It's completely fair if our acknowledgment and acceptance is on par with your bias and ignorance. 

so you'll only accept the results if they come out in your favour. right on brand. 

No. I just spun it around to highlight the hypocrisy. It's amusing and sad. 

it's not hypocrisy. he admitted he missed a detail that was posted. that is not the same as saying what you said about acknowledgement and acceptance. 

Please. It's not "a detail." It's the main theme of that article. All you need to do is check the title. Evidently, he didn't bother. 

1. The original poster has not earned any scrutinizing of his content - as he doesn't scrutinize it before posting anyways.
2. I already said I didn't read it in enough detail - ready to move on? 
3. My bias is towards theories with evidence (i.e. facts), and while I try to remain ignorant of conspiracies, places like this make that difficult.
4. I ate my crow with respect to my pathetic reading and comprehension capacity, so now you've "won", so can we move on to my other question? If these lawsuits prove fault on behalf of BioNTech, etc., I'd eat more crow. If they don't, will you accept those results or just continue down the slippery eel path of a typical conspiracy theorist - heightening the acceptable burden of proof as it reaches your prior set of standards?

I'll move on after I add that I'm still certain you didn't read that article initially. You just checked few comments here and already presumed the lawsuit lady was full of shit. Also, please elaborate on theories with facts. How is POTENTIAL hospitalizations fantasy argument more factual than claiming something is ineffective after being infected 3 times with Covid despite 2 doses of covid vaccine and 3 boosters? And how is that a conspiracy if someone thinks the vaccine is futile after having Covid 3 times?

Let's use our brains a little, even giving your statements initial credibility:

1. The original vaccine was designed for the original strain, so like a flu vaccine, after mutation it is less effective.
2. Virus vaccines are not for the rest of your life.  It doesn't matter how many times you get one, the effectiveness wanes over time.  Getting 3 boosters over three years has nothing to do with the virus you did or did not get in year four (or even three).  

How is #1 helping you here? If you use your brain, would you take an outdated shot on four/five occasions for a strain that was long gone before its vaccine was rolled out? 

2. Again, let's use our brains here a little. For mickeyrat it lasted 3 months. It's a bit short, isn't it? 

to repeat, it was never supposed to prevent. politicians told you that. did the manufacturers?

 

The manufacturers most definitely told us the vaccines were around 95% effective at preventing transmission of Covid-19 in the early days of vaccine rollout. That was the story line at the time until evidence and mutations showed that it wasn't the case.

That's about right.  This CDC report shows that in real world trials (nursing homes), it was 75% effective against transmission.  Some places showed as high as 95%.  Once the Delta mutation took over, that went down to the 50's, but it was still highly effective against hospitalization and death.  Which to me, seems worthwhile considering how rare and insignificant the side effects were.  

In fairness, this information was from so called "scientists" and not my favorite You Tubers or goat girl on Twitter.  They are normally my 'go to' source. 

Punchline:

Both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vaccines were highly effective in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection in nursing home residents early after vaccine introduction. However, the effectiveness among this population in recent months has been significantly lower. To prevent transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in nursing homes, these findings highlight the critical importance of COVID-19 vaccination of staff members, residents, and visitors and adherence to rigorous COVID-19 prevention strategies. An additional dose of COVID-19 vaccine might be considered for nursing home and long-term care facility residents to optimize a protective immune response

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm

You forgot all those..
''Nobody would be safe until is full vaccinate''
''This is the pantemic of the unvaccinate''
''100% safe and effective''..
short memory..

Where’s that proof that the vaccine is anything but safe? You keep talking about promoting safety, but you’ve yet to show anything conclusive that the vaccines are dangerous. Just lawsuits in progress and shadow figures that don’t get covered by mainstream media.

On the former - a lawsuit in progress means fuck all other than someone has logic based allegation. IT IS NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING!

On the latter, choose a conclusion: either the world is ALL in on the lie and are suppressing these concerns on ALL of their respective news networks; or there isn’t ample evidence to call it news and thus they don’t. 

Bravo benjs……most anti-vaccinators have put their tails between their legs and moved on…accepted they’re alive thanks to all of us who were vaccinated.  As I’ve said before, a simple thank you would suffice.  

Independent organization but probably in on the conspiracy (yeah right)

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations

🥱 bored with the conspiracy theories.  

Halifax2TheMax

The jab killed JFK.

Merkin Baller

Halifax2TheMax said:

The jab killed JFK.

RFK too, this is why RFK jr is anti -vax... once JFK jr comes out of hiding, he'll be anti-vaxx too. 

Obvi. 

Halifax2TheMax

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The jab killed JFK.

RFK too, this is why RFK jr is anti -vax... once JFK jr comes out of hiding, he'll be anti-vaxx too. 

Obvi. 

And MLK and Malcolm X.

cblock4life

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The jab killed JFK.

RFK too, this is why RFK jr is anti -vax... once JFK jr comes out of hiding, he'll be anti-vaxx too. 

Obvi. 

Well if a vaccine can blow your head off then I’m becoming anti-vax too!  By the way….is JFK back yet?  My 3 year old grandson comes up with more realistic lies than the crazy republicans.  

Will these people ever get tired of being made fools of and stop repeating their nonsense?  

Lerxst1992

cblock4life said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The jab killed JFK.

RFK too, this is why RFK jr is anti -vax... once JFK jr comes out of hiding, he'll be anti-vaxx too. 

Obvi. 

Well if a vaccine can blow your head off then I’m becoming anti-vax too!  By the way….is JFK back yet?  My 3 year old grandson comes up with more realistic lies than the crazy republicans.  

Will these people ever get tired of being made fools of and stop repeating their nonsense?  

But they crazy lying Republicans have a 42% chance of trump becoming the next president 


Not sure the odds are similar for your 3 year old grandson?

HughFreakingDillon

23scidoo said:

By saying virus you mean the biological weapon who funding by the US government, i guess..

cblock4life

Lerxst1992 said:

cblock4life said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The jab killed JFK.

RFK too, this is why RFK jr is anti -vax... once JFK jr comes out of hiding, he'll be anti-vaxx too. 

Obvi. 

Well if a vaccine can blow your head off then I’m becoming anti-vax too!  By the way….is JFK back yet?  My 3 year old grandson comes up with more realistic lies than the crazy republicans.  

Will these people ever get tired of being made fools of and stop repeating their nonsense?  

But they crazy lying Republicans have a 42% chance of trump becoming the next president 


Not sure the odds are similar for your 3 year old grandson?

They’re both on that three old level.  “Look at me, listen to me, see my secret papers, throwing ketchup on the walls.”  Trump is a total fucking idiot.  These latest tapes……how can you be so stupid?  It’s hilarious.  

I’ll write in my grandson.  At least he doesn’t pee on anyone 

cblock4life

Lerxst1992 said:

cblock4life said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The jab killed JFK.

RFK too, this is why RFK jr is anti -vax... once JFK jr comes out of hiding, he'll be anti-vaxx too. 

Obvi. 

Well if a vaccine can blow your head off then I’m becoming anti-vax too!  By the way….is JFK back yet?  My 3 year old grandson comes up with more realistic lies than the crazy republicans.  

Will these people ever get tired of being made fools of and stop repeating their nonsense?  

But they crazy lying Republicans have a 42% chance of trump becoming the next president 


Not sure the odds are similar for your 3 year old grandson?

You mean the next nomination?  And 42% doesn’t really sound impressive.  If the number is correct (whatever poll was used since not posted) still makes trump a loser again.  

AW124797

Hey, what's with the Trump and republicans obsession here? There are at least 10 other ATM threads to jerk each other off to that tune. 

Merkin Baller

AW124797 said:

Hey, what's with the Trump and republicans obsession here? There are at least 10 other ATM threads to jerk each other off to that tune. 

Agreed, this is the thread where the conspiracy theorists come to jerk each other off. 

AW124797

Merkin Baller said:

AW124797 said: if

Hey, what's with the Trump and republicans obsession here? There are at least 10 other ATM threads to jerk each other off to that tune. 

Agreed, this is the thread where the conspiracy theorists come to jerk each other off. 

I'd argue you'd need minimum of 2 for that. 

Lerxst1992

cblock4life said:

Lerxst1992 said:

cblock4life said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The jab killed JFK.

RFK too, this is why RFK jr is anti -vax... once JFK jr comes out of hiding, he'll be anti-vaxx too. 

Obvi. 

Well if a vaccine can blow your head off then I’m becoming anti-vax too!  By the way….is JFK back yet?  My 3 year old grandson comes up with more realistic lies than the crazy republicans.  

Will these people ever get tired of being made fools of and stop repeating their nonsense?  

But they crazy lying Republicans have a 42% chance of trump becoming the next president 


Not sure the odds are similar for your 3 year old grandson?

You mean the next nomination?  And 42% doesn’t really sound impressive.  If the number is correct (whatever poll was used since not posted) still makes trump a loser again.  

https://www.vegasinsider.com/odds/us-presidential-election/



Here's the link,  its odds to be next president. 

Odds for nomination probably much closer to 100 percent 

Merkin Baller

AW124797 said:

Merkin Baller said:

AW124797 said: if

Hey, what's with the Trump and republicans obsession here? There are at least 10 other ATM threads to jerk each other off to that tune. 

Agreed, this is the thread where the conspiracy theorists come to jerk each other off. 

I'd argue you'd need minimum of 2 for that. 

& I'd argue that minimum has been met. 

cblock4life

Lerxst1992 said:

cblock4life said:

Lerxst1992 said:

cblock4life said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The jab killed JFK.

RFK too, this is why RFK jr is anti -vax... once JFK jr comes out of hiding, he'll be anti-vaxx too. 

Obvi. 

Well if a vaccine can blow your head off then I’m becoming anti-vax too!  By the way….is JFK back yet?  My 3 year old grandson comes up with more realistic lies than the crazy republicans.  

Will these people ever get tired of being made fools of and stop repeating their nonsense?  

But they crazy lying Republicans have a 42% chance of trump becoming the next president 


Not sure the odds are similar for your 3 year old grandson?

You mean the next nomination?  And 42% doesn’t really sound impressive.  If the number is correct (whatever poll was used since not posted) still makes trump a loser again.  

https://www.vegasinsider.com/odds/us-presidential-election/



Here's the link,  its odds to be next president. 

Odds for nomination probably much closer to 100 percent 

Thanks for the link-I’ll look at it for sure. 

I guess it would be interesting watching the president preside from prison.  

Lerxst1992

I'll happily provide the odds of trump going to prison-

Hint, it rhymes with the name of former Penguin GM Ray Shero.

cblock4life

cblock4life said:

Lerxst1992 said:

cblock4life said:

Lerxst1992 said:

cblock4life said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The jab killed JFK.

RFK too, this is why RFK jr is anti -vax... once JFK jr comes out of hiding, he'll be anti-vaxx too. 

Obvi. 

Well if a vaccine can blow your head off then I’m becoming anti-vax too!  By the way….is JFK back yet?  My 3 year old grandson comes up with more realistic lies than the crazy republicans.  

Will these people ever get tired of being made fools of and stop repeating their nonsense?  

But they crazy lying Republicans have a 42% chance of trump becoming the next president 


Not sure the odds are similar for your 3 year old grandson?

You mean the next nomination?  And 42% doesn’t really sound impressive.  If the number is correct (whatever poll was used since not posted) still makes trump a loser again.  

https://www.vegasinsider.com/odds/us-presidential-election/



Here's the link,  its odds to be next president. 

Odds for nomination probably much closer to 100 percent 

Thanks for the link-I’ll look at it for sure. 

I guess it would be interesting watching the president preside from prison.  

It’s from Las Vegas!  I don’t understand any of that odds stuff but thanks for sending!  I’m laughing not because of you but because I have no clue what any of it means!  

23scidoo

On the other news, 36% increase od deathes in USA and Britain the last 3 years..