Viruses / Vaccines 2

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I felt like people shut down the lab leak theory early on, and I've said this before, because it could have been a driver of racist attacks against Chinese people by certain groups (we literally saw it happen). It had to be carefully navigated. of course it was always plausible, and still is, but the pandemic was full of so much confusion and anger, that pinning the blame of millions of deaths and the shutdown of the global economy on one country, and for many, one race, needed to be handled with kid gloves. 

I think it's best to explore these types of things once it can be dealt with more objectively (like now). finding out the origins of it really wouldn't have caused us to deal with it any differently, just hopefully to mitigate future pandemics if it was indeed to be human error, or human intention. 

But how is saying it was from a lab leak going to be worse for them than saying it came from the poor health conditions in a wet market? That actually sounds worse to me, opens the doors to mock their culture and food even more, so I don't see how it was to protect the Asian people.

because I gather a good portion of the lab leak folks thought it was intentional, rather than an accident. the wet market goes to passive fault, where lab leaks goes to active fault. I would think the latter would garner more anger. 

Merkin Baller

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I felt like people shut down the lab leak theory early on, and I've said this before, because it could have been a driver of racist attacks against Chinese people by certain groups (we literally saw it happen). It had to be carefully navigated. of course it was always plausible, and still is, but the pandemic was full of so much confusion and anger, that pinning the blame of millions of deaths and the shutdown of the global economy on one country, and for many, one race, needed to be handled with kid gloves. 

I think it's best to explore these types of things once it can be dealt with more objectively (like now). finding out the origins of it really wouldn't have caused us to deal with it any differently, just hopefully to mitigate future pandemics if it was indeed to be human error, or human intention. 

But how is saying it was from a lab leak going to be worse for them than saying it came from the poor health conditions in a wet market? That actually sounds worse to me, opens the doors to mock their culture and food even more, so I don't see how it was to protect the Asian people.

A lab leak infers a more nefarious origin which people would / will extrapolate to a deliberate leak, whereas an origin from a wet market aka a natural cause would have been purely accidental. 

mickeyrat

https://apnews.com/article/long-covid-coronavirus-covid-cc9dcd473f0513e4e62aa7e24940577e

 

COVID-19

US study finds 1 in 10 get long COVID after omicron, starts identifying key symptoms

By Lauran Neergaard

1 hour ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — About 10% of people appear to suffer long COVID after an omicron infection, a lower estimate than earlier in the pandemic, according to a study of nearly 10,000 Americans that aims to help unravel the mysterious condition.

Early findings from the National Institutes of Health’s study highlight a dozen symptoms that most distinguish long COVID, the catchall term for the sometimes debilitating health problems that can last for months or years after even a mild case of COVID-19.

Millions worldwide have had long COVID, with dozens of widely varying symptoms including fatigue and brain fog. Scientists still don’t know what causes it, why it only strikes some people, how to treat it -– or even how to best diagnose it. Better defining the condition is key for research to get those answers.

“Sometimes I hear people say, ’Oh, everybody’s a little tired,'" said Dr. Leora Horwitz of NYU Langone Health, one of the study authors. “No, there’s something different about people who have long COVID and that’s important to know.”

The new research, published Thursday in the Journal of the American Medical Association, includes more than 8,600 adults who had COVID-19 at different points in the pandemic, comparing them to another 1,100 who hadn’t been infected.

By some estimates, roughly 1 in 3 of COVID-19 patients have experienced long COVID. That’s similar to NIH study participants who reported getting sick before the omicron variant began spreading in the U.S. in December 2021. That's also when the study opened, and researchers noted that people who already had long COVID symptoms might have been more likely to enroll.

But about 2,230 patients had their first coronavirus infection after the study started, allowing them to report symptoms in real time -– and only about 10% experienced long-term symptoms after six months.

Prior research has suggested the risk of long COVID has dropped since omicron appeared; its descendants still are spreading.

The bigger question is how to identify and help those who already have long COVID.

The new study zeroed in on a dozen symptoms that may help define long COVID: fatigue; brain fog; dizziness; gastrointestinal symptoms; heart palpitations; sexual problems; loss of smell or taste; thirst; chronic cough; chest pain; worsening symptoms after activity and abnormal movements.

The researchers assigned scores to the symptoms, seeking to establish a threshold that eventually could help ensure similar patients are enrolled in studies of possible long COVID treatments, as part of the NIH study or elsewhere, for apples-to-apples comparison.

Horwitz stressed that doctors shouldn’t use that list to diagnose someone with long COVID — it's a potential research tool only. Patients may have one of those symptoms, or many -– or other symptoms not on the list — and still be suffering long-term consequences of the coronavirus.

Everyone's doing studies of long COVID yet "we don’t even know what that means,” Horwitz said.

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The Associated Press Health and Science Department receives support from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Science and Educational Media Group. The AP is solely responsible for all content.

lastexitlondon

Covid the gift that keeps on giving 

23scidoo

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

mrussel1

23scidoo said:

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

64 million does in Germany and this woman sues because the vaccine caused her to suffer upper-body pain, swollen extremities, fatigue and sleeping disorder.

Sure, millions of deaths or this woman's "upper body pain".  This is a tough call.  

Merkin Baller

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23scidoo

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

64 million does in Germany and this woman sues because the vaccine caused her to suffer upper-body pain, swollen extremities, fatigue and sleeping disorder.

Sure, millions of deaths or this woman's "upper body pain".  This is a tough call.  

Trial my friend..ah, and you forget to mention she is a doctor, a scientist as you like to call..lol..
Any comments for your government money went to China's labs??.. Did Fauci knew that??..

mrussel1

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

64 million does in Germany and this woman sues because the vaccine caused her to suffer upper-body pain, swollen extremities, fatigue and sleeping disorder.

Sure, millions of deaths or this woman's "upper body pain".  This is a tough call.  

Trial my friend..ah, and you forget to mention she is a doctor, a scientist as you like to call..lol..
Any comments for your government money went to China's labs??.. Did Fauci knew that??..

Um yes, we've known that the US gov't was providing funding for Wuhan since the very start.  This is not news.  That lab was created after the SARS outbreak of 2002, to study the origin of the outbreak.  Sorry this is the first you've learned of SARS.  

And how do you know that woman is a doctor (not that it matters)? The article said nothing about it and she is not mentioned, per German privacy laws.  

HughFreakingDillon

"a scientist as you like to call". people don't believe in the existence of scientists anymore now?

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

"a scientist as you like to call". people don't believe in the existence of scientists anymore now?

No, he believes in scientists.  Just not science.  It's like being a witch doctor.  Technically you're neither a witch or a doctor.  

tempo_n_groove

23scidoo

Who defines what is science and who is a scientist??..

23scidoo

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

64 million does in Germany and this woman sues because the vaccine caused her to suffer upper-body pain, swollen extremities, fatigue and sleeping disorder.

Sure, millions of deaths or this woman's "upper body pain".  This is a tough call.  

Trial my friend..ah, and you forget to mention she is a doctor, a scientist as you like to call..lol..
Any comments for your government money went to China's labs??.. Did Fauci knew that??..

Um yes, we've known that the US gov't was providing funding for Wuhan since the very start.  This is not news.  That lab was created after the SARS outbreak of 2002, to study the origin of the outbreak.  Sorry this is the first you've learned of SARS.  

And how do you know that woman is a doctor (not that it matters)? The article said nothing about it and she is not mentioned, per German privacy laws.  

Ah, and they didn't knew about the other experiments, right??..lol
You can check what she is.. scientist..lol..

23scidoo

HughFreakingDillon said:

"a scientist as you like to call". people don't believe in the existence of scientists anymore now?

I do but look two posts above..

mrussel1

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

64 million does in Germany and this woman sues because the vaccine caused her to suffer upper-body pain, swollen extremities, fatigue and sleeping disorder.

Sure, millions of deaths or this woman's "upper body pain".  This is a tough call.  

Trial my friend..ah, and you forget to mention she is a doctor, a scientist as you like to call..lol..
Any comments for your government money went to China's labs??.. Did Fauci knew that??..

Um yes, we've known that the US gov't was providing funding for Wuhan since the very start.  This is not news.  That lab was created after the SARS outbreak of 2002, to study the origin of the outbreak.  Sorry this is the first you've learned of SARS.  

And how do you know that woman is a doctor (not that it matters)? The article said nothing about it and she is not mentioned, per German privacy laws.  

Ah, and they didn't knew about the other experiments, right??..lol
You can check what she is.. scientist..lol..

Where does it say that?  Pull out the text from the article.  I didn't see it. 

mrussel1

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

64 million does in Germany and this woman sues because the vaccine caused her to suffer upper-body pain, swollen extremities, fatigue and sleeping disorder.

Sure, millions of deaths or this woman's "upper body pain".  This is a tough call.  

Trial my friend..ah, and you forget to mention she is a doctor, a scientist as you like to call..lol..
Any comments for your government money went to China's labs??.. Did Fauci knew that??..

Um yes, we've known that the US gov't was providing funding for Wuhan since the very start.  This is not news.  That lab was created after the SARS outbreak of 2002, to study the origin of the outbreak.  Sorry this is the first you've learned of SARS.  

And how do you know that woman is a doctor (not that it matters)? The article said nothing about it and she is not mentioned, per German privacy laws.  

Ah, and they didn't knew about the other experiments, right??..lol
You can check what she is.. scientist..lol..

Well I don't know if the US gov't knew everything that was happening.  I'm not part of the CDC.  But you made it sound like some revelation that we provided funding to Wuhan.  But go ahead, move the goalposts on your "breaking news".  

benjs

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

64 million does in Germany and this woman sues because the vaccine caused her to suffer upper-body pain, swollen extremities, fatigue and sleeping disorder.

Sure, millions of deaths or this woman's "upper body pain".  This is a tough call.  

Trial my friend..ah, and you forget to mention she is a doctor, a scientist as you like to call..lol..
Any comments for your government money went to China's labs??.. Did Fauci knew that??..

You're completely missing the point. I don't care if she's Madonna or the Pope or a scientist - the fact remains, she's convinced that the vaccine did this to her, and she has no evidence to make that claim with. If she had evidence, she would take the next steps towards accountability - aka a lawsuit.

AW124797

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

64 million does in Germany and this woman sues because the vaccine caused her to suffer upper-body pain, swollen extremities, fatigue and sleeping disorder.

Sure, millions of deaths or this woman's "upper body pain".  This is a tough call.  

Trial my friend..ah, and you forget to mention she is a doctor, a scientist as you like to call..lol..
Any comments for your government money went to China's labs??.. Did Fauci knew that??..

You're completely missing the point. I don't care if she's Madonna or the Pope or a scientist - the fact remains, she's convinced that the vaccine did this to her, and she has no evidence to make that claim with. If she had evidence, she would take the next steps towards accountability - aka a lawsuit.

The fact remains? What are you talking about? BioNTech is facing hundreds of lawsuits in Germany and she is the first one. Completely missing the point is right.

23scidoo

AW124797 said:

Bingo!!benjs said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

64 million does in Germany and this woman sues because the vaccine caused her to suffer upper-body pain, swollen extremities, fatigue and sleeping disorder.

Sure, millions of deaths or this woman's "upper body pain".  This is a tough call.  

Trial my friend..ah, and you forget to mention she is a doctor, a scientist as you like to call..lol..
Any comments for your government money went to China's labs??.. Did Fauci knew that??..

You're completely missing the point. I don't care if she's Madonna or the Pope or a scientist - the fact remains, she's convinced that the vaccine did this to her, and she has no evidence to make that claim with. If she had evidence, she would take the next steps towards accountability - aka a lawsuit.

The fact remains? What are you talking about? BioNTech is facing hundreds of lawsuits in Germany and she is the first one. Completely missing the point is right.

Bingo!!