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  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,277
    23scidoo said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter how it started. We’re in it now and damage has been done. 
    Dosen't matter??..well, it matters and it matters a lot..and also matters who knew about it and lied to us..
    Of course, 23scidoo, you are 100% correct, and every sensible person agrees with you.
    I rarely respond to comments like the one made previous to yours - they're usually made by bored people desperate for attention.
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,362
    edited January 26
    It doesn’t bring people back to life, or get people unsick. Trust in health care science is at an all time low. People don’t trust China or our government anyway. Don’t trust the WHO? Well we left it. So tell me, what will it accomplish knowing it’s from a lab or a street market? 
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,362
    shecky said:
    23scidoo said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter how it started. We’re in it now and damage has been done. 
    Dosen't matter??..well, it matters and it matters a lot..and also matters who knew about it and lied to us..
    they're usually made by bored people desperate for attention.

  • IndifferenceIndifference Posts: 2,730
    Tim Simmons said:
    At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter how it started. We’re in it now and damage has been done. 
    Yes it matters to not care insane.

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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,362
    What would we do with more info?

  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,362
    If its about improving lab safety procedures, then why not just go ahead and start that now? 
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,362
    If its about farming behaviors, why not restrict practices now? 
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,362
    My belief for people outside of scientists caring is that many got so caught up in the politics of it and want vindication for their POV and at best they want to to say "see I was right" and at worst they want to see Fauci, NIH, and WHO members hang. 

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,640
    I'll bite. we learn the exact origin. now what. whats next? whats next about arresting the disease or stopping its spread? whats next.
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,362
    This is assuming we are getting complete and correct information from China. 
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,426
    Tim Simmons said:
    It doesn’t bring people back to life, or get people unsick. Trust in health care science is at an all time low. People don’t trust China or our government anyway. Don’t trust the WHO? Well we left it. So tell me, what will it accomplish knowing it’s from a lab or a street market? 
    It's like when a murder happens and you don't care who the murderer is..''he's dead now there's no turning back, we don't care who killed him''..
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,426
    mickeyrat said:
    I'll bite. we learn the exact origin. now what. whats next? whats next about arresting the disease or stopping its spread? whats next.
    Who knew and who financed them..
    Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.

    I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,362
    23scidoo said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    It doesn’t bring people back to life, or get people unsick. Trust in health care science is at an all time low. People don’t trust China or our government anyway. Don’t trust the WHO? Well we left it. So tell me, what will it accomplish knowing it’s from a lab or a street market? 
    It's like when a murder happens and you don't care who the murderer is..''he's dead now there's no turning back, we don't care who killed him''..
    Its actually more like, where did they get the weapon and who made the weapon? The problem at hand is how to we prevent more murders going forward and how do we get people to change their thought that murder by this weapon or similar weapons is a very big deal and we need to do whatever to prevent it. 

    but to recap: We have to acquire all this information with help from Beijing, who are not reliable narrators in this. to stick with your analogy, they are gonna be the mobsters who won't talk to the cops to give a full story. So you're gonna run in circles while this other problem above is still happening. 

  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,362
    edited 5:47PM
    23scidoo said:

    It doesn’t bring people back to life, or get people unsick. Trust in health care science is at an all time low. People don’t trust China or our government anyway. Don’t trust the WHO? Well we left it. So tell me, what will it accomplish knowing it’s from a lab or a street market? 
    It's like when a murder happens and you don't care who the murderer is..

    Tim Simmons said:

    and at worst they want to see Fauci, NIH, and WHO members hang. 


    hmmmmm
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,362
    edited 5:50PM
    One last clarification. My original post was that its not important. Not that investigators needn't do it. I just think its a waste of time because no one will face any consequences for it and we have executable mitigation of processes for the 2 prominent theories we have as to the reasons for its spread. 
    Post edited by Tim Simmons at
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,426
    Tim Simmons said:
    23scidoo said:

    It doesn’t bring people back to life, or get people unsick. Trust in health care science is at an all time low. People don’t trust China or our government anyway. Don’t trust the WHO? Well we left it. So tell me, what will it accomplish knowing it’s from a lab or a street market? 
    It's like when a murder happens and you don't care who the murderer is..

    Tim Simmons said:

    My belief for people outside of scientists caring is that many got so caught up in the politics of it and want vindication for their POV and at best they want to to say "see I was right" and at worst they want to see Fauci, NIH, and WHO members hang. 


    hmmmmm
    Whatever you want to think or say..we were right since day 1..i want to see people in jail, whoever is this..
    but you all talk here for scientist and science and i will ask again..Who determines what is science??..what is scientific??..
    why your scientists are superiors than others??..
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    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,362
    ah, there we go. 
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,362
    My personal rule of thumb is, if someone has more training, study or knowledge on a subject than I do, I generally defer to that experience and am devoid of the ego that maybe I still know better despite my lack of knowledge training or study.
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,362
    edited 6:16PM
    Basically I don’t succumb to sports radio call in brain (or am a bar expert/armchair general for the non US posters)
    Post edited by Tim Simmons at
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,640
    23scidoo said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I'll bite. we learn the exact origin. now what. whats next? whats next about arresting the disease or stopping its spread? whats next.
    Who knew and who financed them..

    then what. while we try to learn that,  what do you propose we do about arresting or curing the disease which to me takes precedence.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,058
    23scidoo said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I'll bite. we learn the exact origin. now what. whats next? whats next about arresting the disease or stopping its spread? whats next.
    Who knew and who financed them..
    The Chinese gov't and the Chinese gov't.  Take it away.  Go solve the problem. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,627
    "we were right from day 1". hahahaha
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,974
    Yeah I don't know why we think we'll get solid info from the Chinese. Seems like a complete waste of time if we can't do an investigation on our terms.

    Too easy for Cult45 to just blame Fauci...that's easier.
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