Discussions on Benaroya Hall LP set.

Cropduster-80

tempo_n_groove said:

Adi T said:

Sealed just went for $3k on eBay (12/4). Just one bidder, at that starting price, but one is all it takes I guess. I wonder how true the reissue rumors are and what it would mean for the first pressings.

Could have been a shill bid, who knows but every potential seller takes notice and they all raise their prices even if no one is really buying them at that price.

I know shill bidding happens but I tend to trust auction result more than the discogs past sales.  How are those even verified? The same person could be listing and buying their own stuff.  At least the auction sites theoretically can detect abnormalities in bidding 

I would be more concerned with the 2k open set that just sold. New seller, zero feedback.  To me that one was the anomaly. Two bidders.  Plus if your prepared to spend 2k why wouldn’t you also be willing to pay 2,030?  It ended kind of weird with bidder 1 just going away. 

I’m really bad at auctions though.  If I bid I can’t stop myself from going just a bit higher because it’s not that much more 

tempo_n_groove

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Adi T said:

Sealed just went for $3k on eBay (12/4). Just one bidder, at that starting price, but one is all it takes I guess. I wonder how true the reissue rumors are and what it would mean for the first pressings.

Could have been a shill bid, who knows but every potential seller takes notice and they all raise their prices even if no one is really buying them at that price.

I know shill bidding happens but I tend to trust auction result more than the discogs past sales.  How are those even verified? The same person could be listing and buying their own stuff.  At least the auction sites theoretically can detect abnormalities in bidding 

I would be more concerned with the 2k open set that just sold. New seller, zero feedback.  To me that one was the anomaly. Two bidders.  Plus if your prepared to spend 2k why wouldn’t you also be willing to pay 2,030?  It ended kind of weird with bidder 1 just going away. 

I’m really bad at auctions though.  If I bid I can’t stop myself from going just a bit higher because it’s not that much more 

I never bid on anything with a starting high bid, I'll pass.

Bidding on ebay is also the easiest to manipulate.  That being said though these past few sales look legit.  It's the holidays, people have bonuses coming in so these prices aren't too crazy.

I'm surprised that a PJ20 colored set doesn't go for more or a Blue and Orange fixer to be honest.

mrussel1

mfc2006 said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

Grab the tapes, master for vinyl, change the box, black vinyl, $50 and donate proceeds to YouthCare. 

YES.

The Original would still maintain its value and those with sealed copies would finally have a copy that they would be willing to open & play. I just want to spin this damn thing. Prices are absolutely insane.

Honestly, I think the value would drop by 70% or more.  All you would be paying for is the color, particularly if it was still in a nice box. 

Cropduster-80

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Adi T said:

Sealed just went for $3k on eBay (12/4). Just one bidder, at that starting price, but one is all it takes I guess. I wonder how true the reissue rumors are and what it would mean for the first pressings.

Could have been a shill bid, who knows but every potential seller takes notice and they all raise their prices even if no one is really buying them at that price.

I know shill bidding happens but I tend to trust auction result more than the discogs past sales.  How are those even verified? The same person could be listing and buying their own stuff.  At least the auction sites theoretically can detect abnormalities in bidding 

I would be more concerned with the 2k open set that just sold. New seller, zero feedback.  To me that one was the anomaly. Two bidders.  Plus if your prepared to spend 2k why wouldn’t you also be willing to pay 2,030?  It ended kind of weird with bidder 1 just going away. 

I’m really bad at auctions though.  If I bid I can’t stop myself from going just a bit higher because it’s not that much more 

I'm surprised that a PJ20 colored set doesn't go for more or a Blue and Orange fixer to be honest.

To me it’s the VFR into the wild considering what people are selling the MOV version for

tempo_n_groove

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Adi T said:

Sealed just went for $3k on eBay (12/4). Just one bidder, at that starting price, but one is all it takes I guess. I wonder how true the reissue rumors are and what it would mean for the first pressings.

Could have been a shill bid, who knows but every potential seller takes notice and they all raise their prices even if no one is really buying them at that price.

I know shill bidding happens but I tend to trust auction result more than the discogs past sales.  How are those even verified? The same person could be listing and buying their own stuff.  At least the auction sites theoretically can detect abnormalities in bidding 

I would be more concerned with the 2k open set that just sold. New seller, zero feedback.  To me that one was the anomaly. Two bidders.  Plus if your prepared to spend 2k why wouldn’t you also be willing to pay 2,030?  It ended kind of weird with bidder 1 just going away. 

I’m really bad at auctions though.  If I bid I can’t stop myself from going just a bit higher because it’s not that much more 

I'm surprised that a PJ20 colored set doesn't go for more or a Blue and Orange fixer to be honest.

To me it’s the VFR into the wild considering what people are selling the MOV version for

The one w the 7"?  Isn't that a $300 record?  

Cropduster-80

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Adi T said:

Sealed just went for $3k on eBay (12/4). Just one bidder, at that starting price, but one is all it takes I guess. I wonder how true the reissue rumors are and what it would mean for the first pressings.

Could have been a shill bid, who knows but every potential seller takes notice and they all raise their prices even if no one is really buying them at that price.

I know shill bidding happens but I tend to trust auction result more than the discogs past sales.  How are those even verified? The same person could be listing and buying their own stuff.  At least the auction sites theoretically can detect abnormalities in bidding 

I would be more concerned with the 2k open set that just sold. New seller, zero feedback.  To me that one was the anomaly. Two bidders.  Plus if your prepared to spend 2k why wouldn’t you also be willing to pay 2,030?  It ended kind of weird with bidder 1 just going away. 

I’m really bad at auctions though.  If I bid I can’t stop myself from going just a bit higher because it’s not that much more 

I'm surprised that a PJ20 colored set doesn't go for more or a Blue and Orange fixer to be honest.

To me it’s the VFR into the wild considering what people are selling the MOV version for

The one w the 7"?  Isn't that a $300 record?  

Well the MOV has sold as high as  429 recently. That’s absurd.  It’s like the MOV keeps going up and the VFR never recovered from the reissue.  MOV usually goes 200 plus.  You literally could have picked VFR or MOV for the same price at the same time recently.  More than one picked MOV

tempo_n_groove

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Adi T said:

Sealed just went for $3k on eBay (12/4). Just one bidder, at that starting price, but one is all it takes I guess. I wonder how true the reissue rumors are and what it would mean for the first pressings.

Could have been a shill bid, who knows but every potential seller takes notice and they all raise their prices even if no one is really buying them at that price.

I know shill bidding happens but I tend to trust auction result more than the discogs past sales.  How are those even verified? The same person could be listing and buying their own stuff.  At least the auction sites theoretically can detect abnormalities in bidding 

I would be more concerned with the 2k open set that just sold. New seller, zero feedback.  To me that one was the anomaly. Two bidders.  Plus if your prepared to spend 2k why wouldn’t you also be willing to pay 2,030?  It ended kind of weird with bidder 1 just going away. 

I’m really bad at auctions though.  If I bid I can’t stop myself from going just a bit higher because it’s not that much more 

I'm surprised that a PJ20 colored set doesn't go for more or a Blue and Orange fixer to be honest.

To me it’s the VFR into the wild considering what people are selling the MOV version for

The one w the 7"?  Isn't that a $300 record?  

Well the MOV has sold as high as  429 recently. That’s absurd.  It’s like the MOV keeps going up and the VFR never recovered from the reissue.  MOV usually goes 200 plus.  You literally could have picked VFR or MOV for the same price at the same time recently.  More than one picked MOV

Random outlier.  I wouldn't bother w that one as all the others for MOV are way cheaper.

People may have forgotten that there was an OG ITW?!?

Now I forgot if I have all 3 or not...  

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Adi T said:

Sealed just went for $3k on eBay (12/4). Just one bidder, at that starting price, but one is all it takes I guess. I wonder how true the reissue rumors are and what it would mean for the first pressings.

Could have been a shill bid, who knows but every potential seller takes notice and they all raise their prices even if no one is really buying them at that price.

I know shill bidding happens but I tend to trust auction result more than the discogs past sales.  How are those even verified? The same person could be listing and buying their own stuff.  At least the auction sites theoretically can detect abnormalities in bidding 

I would be more concerned with the 2k open set that just sold. New seller, zero feedback.  To me that one was the anomaly. Two bidders.  Plus if your prepared to spend 2k why wouldn’t you also be willing to pay 2,030?  It ended kind of weird with bidder 1 just going away. 

I’m really bad at auctions though.  If I bid I can’t stop myself from going just a bit higher because it’s not that much more 

I'm surprised that a PJ20 colored set doesn't go for more or a Blue and Orange fixer to be honest.

To me it’s the VFR into the wild considering what people are selling the MOV version for

The one w the 7"?  Isn't that a $300 record?  

Well the MOV has sold as high as  429 recently. That’s absurd.  It’s like the MOV keeps going up and the VFR never recovered from the reissue.  MOV usually goes 200 plus.  You literally could have picked VFR or MOV for the same price at the same time recently.  More than one picked MOV

Random outlier.  I wouldn't bother w that one as all the others for MOV are way cheaper.

People may have forgotten that there was an OG ITW?!?

Now I forgot if I have all 3 or not...  

MOV and Vinyl films are both RL mastered, so presumably they are exactly the same.  

What is the third version?  Is that the picture disc one?

mace1229

I don’t sell much on ebay, but was surprised how easy it is to skip out as a buyer when I did sell something. Before the reissued my wife got me the orange binaural, not knowing it was fake and thinking $80 was a great price. So I tried to sell it what she paid for it. I had no idea people could bid then days later retract their bid or decide not to pay. They’ve definitely made the rules so it’s more buyer friendly.

Cropduster-80

mace1229 said:

I don’t sell much on ebay, but was surprised how easy it is to skip out as a buyer when I did sell something. Before the reissued my wife got me the orange binaural, not knowing it was fake and thinking $80 was a great price. So I tried to sell it what she paid for it. I had no idea people could bid then days later retract their bid or decide not to pay. They’ve definitely made the rules so it’s more buyer friendly.

I wish you have a minimum feedback rating to bid on a sellers auction if you wanted to. Not that I sell very often but I dread it when it’s someone less than 3 who buys it.  It never goes smoothly 

one time I sold a sealed record (as a sealed collectible record) and they opened it said it wasn’t mint and acted like it was my fault.  

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

I don’t sell much on ebay, but was surprised how easy it is to skip out as a buyer when I did sell something. Before the reissued my wife got me the orange binaural, not knowing it was fake and thinking $80 was a great price. So I tried to sell it what she paid for it. I had no idea people could bid then days later retract their bid or decide not to pay. They’ve definitely made the rules so it’s more buyer friendly.

yes and no. I bought a Blind Melon dvd from a gut in britain. he sent me a fucking thomas the train dvd. eBay's official decision was that I send the guy back the cartooon DVD AT MY COST and it would be at his discretion to send me the right one. absolute bs. I just took the loss. 

Cropduster-80

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Adi T said:

Sealed just went for $3k on eBay (12/4). Just one bidder, at that starting price, but one is all it takes I guess. I wonder how true the reissue rumors are and what it would mean for the first pressings.

Could have been a shill bid, who knows but every potential seller takes notice and they all raise their prices even if no one is really buying them at that price.

I know shill bidding happens but I tend to trust auction result more than the discogs past sales.  How are those even verified? The same person could be listing and buying their own stuff.  At least the auction sites theoretically can detect abnormalities in bidding 

I would be more concerned with the 2k open set that just sold. New seller, zero feedback.  To me that one was the anomaly. Two bidders.  Plus if your prepared to spend 2k why wouldn’t you also be willing to pay 2,030?  It ended kind of weird with bidder 1 just going away. 

I’m really bad at auctions though.  If I bid I can’t stop myself from going just a bit higher because it’s not that much more 

I'm surprised that a PJ20 colored set doesn't go for more or a Blue and Orange fixer to be honest.

To me it’s the VFR into the wild considering what people are selling the MOV version for

The one w the 7"?  Isn't that a $300 record?  

Well the MOV has sold as high as  429 recently. That’s absurd.  It’s like the MOV keeps going up and the VFR never recovered from the reissue.  MOV usually goes 200 plus.  You literally could have picked VFR or MOV for the same price at the same time recently.  More than one picked MOV

Random outlier.  

Outlier(s) or a trend. No idea 

Cropduster-80

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

I don’t sell much on ebay, but was surprised how easy it is to skip out as a buyer when I did sell something. Before the reissued my wife got me the orange binaural, not knowing it was fake and thinking $80 was a great price. So I tried to sell it what she paid for it. I had no idea people could bid then days later retract their bid or decide not to pay. They’ve definitely made the rules so it’s more buyer friendly.

yes and no. I bought a Blind Melon dvd from a gut in britain. he sent me a fucking thomas the train dvd. eBay's official decision was that I send the guy back the cartooon DVD AT MY COST and it would be at his discretion to send me the right one. absolute bs. I just took the loss. 

I video every unboxing start to finish. Time stamped immediately after tracking says it’s delivered 

Some guy I knew of from a different forum sold an expensive watch (before the verified by eBay stuff where eBay authenticates it and ships it themselves to a buyer) 

anyway he sold a Rolex to some dude.  The guy had a fake of that same watch. Returned a fake one to the seller and said the seller was the actual scammer and shipped him a fake watch. Seller lost the dispute and was out the money and the real watch.

Watches and records are small-ish communities.  Word of scams like that get around quick 

tempo_n_groove

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Adi T said:

Sealed just went for $3k on eBay (12/4). Just one bidder, at that starting price, but one is all it takes I guess. I wonder how true the reissue rumors are and what it would mean for the first pressings.

Could have been a shill bid, who knows but every potential seller takes notice and they all raise their prices even if no one is really buying them at that price.

I know shill bidding happens but I tend to trust auction result more than the discogs past sales.  How are those even verified? The same person could be listing and buying their own stuff.  At least the auction sites theoretically can detect abnormalities in bidding 

I would be more concerned with the 2k open set that just sold. New seller, zero feedback.  To me that one was the anomaly. Two bidders.  Plus if your prepared to spend 2k why wouldn’t you also be willing to pay 2,030?  It ended kind of weird with bidder 1 just going away. 

I’m really bad at auctions though.  If I bid I can’t stop myself from going just a bit higher because it’s not that much more 

I'm surprised that a PJ20 colored set doesn't go for more or a Blue and Orange fixer to be honest.

To me it’s the VFR into the wild considering what people are selling the MOV version for

The one w the 7"?  Isn't that a $300 record?  

Well the MOV has sold as high as  429 recently. That’s absurd.  It’s like the MOV keeps going up and the VFR never recovered from the reissue.  MOV usually goes 200 plus.  You literally could have picked VFR or MOV for the same price at the same time recently.  More than one picked MOV

Random outlier.  I wouldn't bother w that one as all the others for MOV are way cheaper.

People may have forgotten that there was an OG ITW?!?

Now I forgot if I have all 3 or not...  

MOV and Vinyl films are both RL mastered, so presumably they are exactly the same.  

What is the third version?  Is that the picture disc one?

Counting the Pic Disc that's 4.  There was a Urban Outfitters version too.

tempo_n_groove

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cropduster-80 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Adi T said:

Sealed just went for $3k on eBay (12/4). Just one bidder, at that starting price, but one is all it takes I guess. I wonder how true the reissue rumors are and what it would mean for the first pressings.

Could have been a shill bid, who knows but every potential seller takes notice and they all raise their prices even if no one is really buying them at that price.

I know shill bidding happens but I tend to trust auction result more than the discogs past sales.  How are those even verified? The same person could be listing and buying their own stuff.  At least the auction sites theoretically can detect abnormalities in bidding 

I would be more concerned with the 2k open set that just sold. New seller, zero feedback.  To me that one was the anomaly. Two bidders.  Plus if your prepared to spend 2k why wouldn’t you also be willing to pay 2,030?  It ended kind of weird with bidder 1 just going away. 

I’m really bad at auctions though.  If I bid I can’t stop myself from going just a bit higher because it’s not that much more 

I'm surprised that a PJ20 colored set doesn't go for more or a Blue and Orange fixer to be honest.

To me it’s the VFR into the wild considering what people are selling the MOV version for

The one w the 7"?  Isn't that a $300 record?  

Well the MOV has sold as high as  429 recently. That’s absurd.  It’s like the MOV keeps going up and the VFR never recovered from the reissue.  MOV usually goes 200 plus.  You literally could have picked VFR or MOV for the same price at the same time recently.  More than one picked MOV

Random outlier.  

Outlier(s) or a trend. No idea 

Outliers.  There are 3 BIN for under $300 on ebay now just sitting.

100 Pacer

Cropduster-80 said:

plus who opens a benny and doesn’t play it? I find that unbelievable 

I opened it so the band could sign it.

Never played for serious. Was lucky to be there.

FWIW I will be updating the owners list over the holidays. Be sure to post any revisions.

lorezz

I was the bidder at $2k to start on this current one, and would have taken it for that price in order to re-sell. That was my top bid tho, and beyond that I wasn’t a buyer. Can’t say the second bid wasn’t a shill bid, but as I bowed out, I have no way to tell. 

mace1229

lorezz said:

I was the bidder at $2k to start on this current one, and would have taken it for that price in order to re-sell. That was my top bid tho, and beyond that I wasn’t a buyer. Can’t say the second bid wasn’t a shill bid, but as I bowed out, I have no way to tell. 

You think you would have made a profit buying for 2k? 

mrussel1

mace1229 said:

lorezz said:

I was the bidder at $2k to start on this current one, and would have taken it for that price in order to re-sell. That was my top bid tho, and beyond that I wasn’t a buyer. Can’t say the second bid wasn’t a shill bid, but as I bowed out, I have no way to tell. 

You think you would have made a profit buying for 2k? 

I've got some Worldcom stock I'm trying to move. 

2-feign-reluctance

Yeah, no way you net a profit for a $2k opened, scuffed, records ungraded set.