Capitalism Sucks.

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  • goblues82 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Again. I understand the prices are off putting. But I’ve literally watched thousands of you walk away with $1000 of STUFF. 
    Yeah but they were flipping that stuff.
    Sounds like they’re no better than $250 tickets then.
    Errr once you buy it you can do what you want with it. If you can find a sucker to pay you $70 for a $35 shirt, that cost $3.50 to make, then oh well.
  • Long Red said:
    Wild how expensive the tix are for the Ed solo shows. It's almost comical. Who the hell has an extra $500 laying around for a pair of concert tix? My sweet lord.
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  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,171
    goblues82 said:
    goblues82 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Again. I understand the prices are off putting. But I’ve literally watched thousands of you walk away with $1000 of STUFF. 
    Yeah but they were flipping that stuff.
    Sounds like they’re no better than $250 tickets then.
    Errr once you buy it you can do what you want with it. If you can find a sucker to pay you $70 for a $35 shirt, that cost $3.50 to make, then oh well.
    But if the band charges $70 for shirts then they’re the assholes? :i_dunno:
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    $500-$900 for tickets right now on verified fan is this true pre scalper prices? That is crazy.
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  • TM service fee costs more than tickets used to - "this is not for you"
  • on2legson2legs Standing in the Jersey rain… Posts: 14,413
    LukaszR said:
    TM service fee costs more than tickets used to - "this is not for you"
    Lol
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  • EddieredderEddieredder Posts: 688
    edited December 2021
    static111 said:
    $500-$900 for tickets right now on verified fan is this true pre scalper prices? That is crazy.
    Those are platinum prices.

    $250 ain't so bad
  • While I acknowledge that Ed's ticket prices seem a bit high, and that 1995 Ed might wince a bit at what his older self has become, don't blame capitalism. Supply equals demand, and they wouldn't charge that much if people wouldn't pay that much, which they clearly are.

    In the socialist paradise, where all tickets to all shows are $50 (or $10 or $5 or whatever the Commissars determine is "reasonable"), you'll just inevitably find a secondary black market for actual in-demand performers like Ed where tix get bid up to their actual value by those who can afford them and want to pay (which, amazingly, will be the same wise Commissars who run everything! Funny how socialism works in practice...)

    So blame Eddie's supposed g, r, e, e, d all you want, but don't blame the best - okay, least worst, but still best - economic system there is.
  • While I acknowledge that Ed's ticket prices seem a bit high, and that 1995 Ed might wince a bit at what his older self has become, don't blame capitalism. Supply equals demand, and they wouldn't charge that much if people wouldn't pay that much, which they clearly are.

    In the socialist paradise, where all tickets to all shows are $50 (or $10 or $5 or whatever the Commissars determine is "reasonable"), you'll just inevitably find a secondary black market for actual in-demand performers like Ed where tix get bid up to their actual value by those who can afford them and want to pay (which, amazingly, will be the same wise Commissars who run everything! Funny how socialism works in practice...)

    So blame Eddie's supposed g, r, e, e, d all you want, but don't blame the best - okay, least worst, but still best - economic system there is.
    Oh, yeah. Ed turned out to be such a terrible guy ...because tickets to his solo show are expensive?

    I just love the assumption here that Ed is somehow pocketing all this money from high ticket prices and stashing it in the bank. It might also be that he likes to pay his road crew well. It might also be he pays his band well. It might also be that he's donating a shit ton (more than he already does) of money to charity. 

    Nah, none of that. Clearly Ed is just a greedy capitalist hell bent on making a handful of Pearl Jam fans online whine more than they already do because it's "too expensive" to see him perform.  
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,252
    While I acknowledge that Ed's ticket prices seem a bit high, and that 1995 Ed might wince a bit at what his older self has become, don't blame capitalism. Supply equals demand, and they wouldn't charge that much if people wouldn't pay that much, which they clearly are.

    In the socialist paradise, where all tickets to all shows are $50 (or $10 or $5 or whatever the Commissars determine is "reasonable"), you'll just inevitably find a secondary black market for actual in-demand performers like Ed where tix get bid up to their actual value by those who can afford them and want to pay (which, amazingly, will be the same wise Commissars who run everything! Funny how socialism works in practice...)

    So blame Eddie's supposed g, r, e, e, d all you want, but don't blame the best - okay, least worst, but still best - economic system there is.
    Oh, yeah. Ed turned out to be such a terrible guy ...because tickets to his solo show are expensive?

    I just love the assumption here that Ed is somehow pocketing all this money from high ticket prices and stashing it in the bank. It might also be that he likes to pay his road crew well. It might also be he pays his band well. It might also be that he's donating a shit ton (more than he already does) of money to charity. 

    Nah, none of that. Clearly Ed is just a greedy capitalist hell bent on making a handful of Pearl Jam fans online whine more than they already do because it's "too expensive" to see him perform.  
    They want him to live in a trailer while they stream his music for free. Then complain that he didn't write the music they want him to write.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,602
    While I acknowledge that Ed's ticket in prices seem a bit high, and that 1995 Ed might wince a bit at what his older self has become, don't blame capitalism. Supply equals demand, and they wouldn't charge that much if people wouldn't pay that much, which they clearly are.

    In the socialist paradise, where all tickets to all shows are $50 (or $10 or $5 or whatever the Commissars determine is "reasonable"), you'll just inevitably find a secondary black market for actual in-demand performers like Ed where tix get bid up to their actual value by those who can afford them and want to pay (which, amazingly, will be the same wise Commissars who run everything! Funny how socialism works in practice...)

    So blame Eddie's supposed g, r, e, e, d all you want, but don't blame the best - okay, least worst, but still best - economic system there is.
    Price matching what the “market” will pay is Capitalism. Ed’s tickets are priced less than market value, so Capitalism lite? 
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 12,468
    If capitalism was involved, there would be $600 seats, VIP $1200, Friend of the band package $2500 and $5000 meet and greet. Get a grip people.
  • ZodZod Posts: 10,049
    The part that bugs me a little is myself.  Had these even all gone to fan club & verified fan, I would of only gotten 1 out of 2 nights in seattle.  Because I haven't spent much in the past 2 years, and work is going pretty good, I had the means to go the 2nd one.  So capitalism kind of worked out for me, whereas socialism might of failed me..... crazy stuff.


  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 3,050
    There an awful lot of straw man arguments being made here.  Something to keep in mind: if an individual expresses an opinion, unless you can point to that individual expressing a contrary opinion, it is not a valid argument to claim that the person is a hypocrite because unidentified "people" have expressed contrary opinions.

    Also, for the record, to the one poster who included Russia among the socialist/Communist countries that people aren't flocking to enter: Russia hasn't been Communist for thirty years.  It is a capitalist country.  It's a kleptocratic authoritarian oligarchy and a petrostate, but it's capitalist.
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  • MalrothMalroth broken down chevrolet Posts: 2,484
    BF25394 said:
    There an awful lot of straw man arguments being made here.  Something to keep in mind: if an individual expresses an opinion, unless you can point to that individual expressing a contrary opinion, it is not a valid argument to claim that the person is a hypocrite because unidentified "people" have expressed contrary opinions.

    Also, for the record, to the one poster who included Russia among the socialist/Communist countries that people aren't flocking to enter: Russia hasn't been Communist for thirty years.  It is a capitalist country.  It's a kleptocratic authoritarian oligarchy and a petrostate, but it's capitalist.

    Exxxactly.
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited December 2021
    While I acknowledge that Ed's ticket in prices seem a bit high, and that 1995 Ed might wince a bit at what his older self has become, don't blame capitalism. Supply equals demand, and they wouldn't charge that much if people wouldn't pay that much, which they clearly are.

    In the socialist paradise, where all tickets to all shows are $50 (or $10 or $5 or whatever the Commissars determine is "reasonable"), you'll just inevitably find a secondary black market for actual in-demand performers like Ed where tix get bid up to their actual value by those who can afford them and want to pay (which, amazingly, will be the same wise Commissars who run everything! Funny how socialism works in practice...)

    So blame Eddie's supposed g, r, e, e, d all you want, but don't blame the best - okay, least worst, but still best - economic system there is.
    Price matching what the “market” will pay is Capitalism. Ed’s tickets are priced less than market value, so Capitalism lite? 
    Prices matching market means actually a chance at getting a ticket 
    Prices less than market means less people getting selected for tickets
    Really really low prices that people expect means there is no chance for a ticket when you are competing with literally everyone 

    basically no one wants to go right? That’s my interpretation 

    the unintended consequences of pricing a show really low would not make them happy when they wouldn’t be going anyway.


    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,209
    Get_Right said:
    If capitalism was involved, there would be $600 seats, VIP $1200, Friend of the band package $2500 and $5000 meet and greet. Get a grip people.
    With the Platinum tix prices, they weren't far off.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,602
    While I acknowledge that Ed's ticket in prices seem a bit high, and that 1995 Ed might wince a bit at what his older self has become, don't blame capitalism. Supply equals demand, and they wouldn't charge that much if people wouldn't pay that much, which they clearly are.

    In the socialist paradise, where all tickets to all shows are $50 (or $10 or $5 or whatever the Commissars determine is "reasonable"), you'll just inevitably find a secondary black market for actual in-demand performers like Ed where tix get bid up to their actual value by those who can afford them and want to pay (which, amazingly, will be the same wise Commissars who run everything! Funny how socialism works in practice...)

    So blame Eddie's supposed g, r, e, e, d all you want, but don't blame the best - okay, least worst, but still best - economic system there is.
    Price matching what the “market” will pay is Capitalism. Ed’s tickets are priced less than market value, so Capitalism lite? 
    Prices matching market means actually a chance at getting a ticket 
    Prices less than market means less people getting selected for tickets
    Really really low prices that people expect means there is no chance for a ticket when you are competing with literally everyone 

    basically no one wants to go right? That’s my interpretation 

    the unintended consequences of pricing a show really low would not make them happy when they aren’t going 



    You can't have fewer people at a show based on ticket price when the number of seats is static. 10c gives people a better shot than just selling it through the monopoly that is ticketmaster. If it was straight ticketmaster sale at market price, 10c members would have less of a chance of getting tickets.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,602
    While I acknowledge that Ed's ticket in prices seem a bit high, and that 1995 Ed might wince a bit at what his older self has become, don't blame capitalism. Supply equals demand, and they wouldn't charge that much if people wouldn't pay that much, which they clearly are.

    In the socialist paradise, where all tickets to all shows are $50 (or $10 or $5 or whatever the Commissars determine is "reasonable"), you'll just inevitably find a secondary black market for actual in-demand performers like Ed where tix get bid up to their actual value by those who can afford them and want to pay (which, amazingly, will be the same wise Commissars who run everything! Funny how socialism works in practice...)

    So blame Eddie's supposed g, r, e, e, d all you want, but don't blame the best - okay, least worst, but still best - economic system there is.
    Price matching what the “market” will pay is Capitalism. Ed’s tickets are priced less than market value, so Capitalism lite? 
    Prices matching market means actually a chance at getting a ticket 
    Prices less than market means less people getting selected for tickets
    Really really low prices that people expect means there is no chance for a ticket when you are competing with literally everyone 

    basically no one wants to go right? That’s my interpretation 

    the unintended consequences of pricing a show really low would not make them happy when they aren’t going 



    You can't have fewer people at a show based on ticket price when the number of seats is static. 10c gives people a better shot than just selling it through the monopoly that is ticketmaster. If it was straight ticketmaster sale at market price, 10c members would have less of a chance of getting tickets.
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited December 2021
    While I acknowledge that Ed's ticket in prices seem a bit high, and that 1995 Ed might wince a bit at what his older self has become, don't blame capitalism. Supply equals demand, and they wouldn't charge that much if people wouldn't pay that much, which they clearly are.

    In the socialist paradise, where all tickets to all shows are $50 (or $10 or $5 or whatever the Commissars determine is "reasonable"), you'll just inevitably find a secondary black market for actual in-demand performers like Ed where tix get bid up to their actual value by those who can afford them and want to pay (which, amazingly, will be the same wise Commissars who run everything! Funny how socialism works in practice...)

    So blame Eddie's supposed g, r, e, e, d all you want, but don't blame the best - okay, least worst, but still best - economic system there is.
    Price matching what the “market” will pay is Capitalism. Ed’s tickets are priced less than market value, so Capitalism lite? 
    Prices matching market means actually a chance at getting a ticket 
    Prices less than market means less people getting selected for tickets
    Really really low prices that people expect means there is no chance for a ticket when you are competing with literally everyone 

    basically no one wants to go right? That’s my interpretation 

    the unintended consequences of pricing a show really low would not make them happy when they aren’t going 



    You can't have fewer people at a show based on ticket price when the number of seats is static. 10c gives people a better shot than just selling it through the monopoly that is ticketmaster. If it was straight ticketmaster sale at market price, 10c members would have less of a chance of getting tickets.
    The lower the price the more people request seats for the show absolutely 

    the number of seats are static, but the number of buyers for those seats varies based on how expensive they are.

    if tickets were 50 bucks the ticket requests probably quadruple or more.  You statistically have a way worse shot in securing seats the lower the price goes based on how many people you are now competing with 

    my point was at 50 bucks you aren’t getting tickets anyway so what’s the point? At 250 you have a better shot. At 1k you get tickets no problem.  It’s an abstract argument to want prices so low that the demand would prevent you from getting that ticket. Ticket price complaints never seem to factor in how much harder actually getting a ticket becomes. 

    people couldn’t even get seats at 200 or even for the 500 platinum seats or whatever they got sold for. Imagine what happens when they all get sold at 50 dollars.  Good luck 
    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • ...10c gives people a better shot than just selling it through the monopoly that is ticketmaster. 
    Most platinum buyers are PJ/10c. Why not sell all tickets at same price? Service fee on platinum tickets costs more than 10c ticket.
  • kaw753kaw753 Posts: 746
    I would hate to give Ticketmaster any ideas, but it would be pretty simple software to just have people put in their bids on tickets and then just allocate the best seats to the highest bid. This would maximize the artist's haul and Ticketmaster's (once they make the service fee a % of the ticket price).

    Coming soon, would be my guess That's when capitalism is really involved. Pretty much eliminates the scalper market too.
  • 55 MA Posts: 157
    edited December 2021
    I still have my ticket bastard shirt from 1996 ah the good old days!
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  • patkelly12patkelly12 CT Posts: 344
    Cucks gonna cuck.
  • dmbolpdmbolp ATL Posts: 1,187
    kaw753 said:
    I would hate to give Ticketmaster any ideas, but it would be pretty simple software to just have people put in their bids on tickets and then just allocate the best seats to the highest bid. This would maximize the artist's haul and Ticketmaster's (once they make the service fee a % of the ticket price).

    Coming soon, would be my guess That's when capitalism is really involved. Pretty much eliminates the scalper market too.
    Ticketmaster has been doing that for years, it's called Platinum tickets with dynamic pricing; only slightly different than you describe.  They set a very high price for the best tickets.  If people start buying those they raise the price.  If people don't pay the top price they eventually lower the price.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,980
    Prices shouldn’t be shocking to anyone. Small tour, even smaller venues. That’s going to mean costly tickets. And he’s got a group now, not just solo. 
    I’ve seen Ed solo 3 times. Always a good show. Never compared to the full band though, so easy for me to skip with prices like this. But if you enjoy solo Ed as much as PJ, that’s not all that bad for the venues.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,865
    Ed's chatter on the next tour runs the risk of coming across very, very badly. 
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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,633
    People like to say it sucks and then they sell their stuff on eBay to the highest bidder :lol:
  • RS65573RS65573 Posts: 2,361
    People like to say it sucks and then they sell their stuff on eBay to the highest bidder :lol:
    Ya know I used to feel a little bad selling older posters, now Ed is my roll model...every single item, to the highest bidder, got it.
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,252
    JimmyV said:
    Ed's chatter on the next tour runs the risk of coming across very, very badly. 
    Why?
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