Capitalism Sucks.

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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 8,980
    edited December 2021
    People like to say it sucks and then they sell their stuff on eBay to the highest bidder :lol:
    What really cracks me up is all the negative talk about flippers, then people selling their clear Nc here for $200 before it even ships. And then others tell them good luck.
    Im all okay with that, but I don’t openly complain about flippers either.
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  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 3,050
    edited December 2021
    People like to say it sucks and then they sell their stuff on eBay to the highest bidder :lol:
    Straw man unless you can point to a specific person who said A and did B.  There are a lot of generalized statements about "people" in this thread but no one ever identifies a specific person who's actually being a hypocrite.  It's like if I say I don't believe in killing animals for food, and then someone replies, "People say they care about animals and then they go to a restaurant and get a steak."  Well, no, I don't do that.  That's something other people do that you're attributing to me.  Some people actually do have principles and they stick to them.  This isn't to say that they're right, about ticket prices or killing animals for food, but they're not hypocrites.
    Post edited by BF25394 on
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,602
    JimmyV said:
    Ed's chatter on the next tour runs the risk of coming across very, very badly. 

    What's the cutoff ticket price for his chatter to be acceptable?
  • dmbolpdmbolp ATL Posts: 1,187
    JimmyV said:
    Ed's chatter on the next tour runs the risk of coming across very, very badly. 

    What's the cutoff ticket price for his chatter to be acceptable?
    Under $41

    Edit: Sorry, thought I was posting on the DMB boards
  • patkelly12patkelly12 CT Posts: 344
    I would check with Bernie on this one.
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 3,050
    JimmyV said:
    Ed's chatter on the next tour runs the risk of coming across very, very badly. 

    What's the cutoff ticket price for his chatter to be acceptable?
    It's a sliding scale.  Over $200, no chatter is acceptable.  Between $150 and $200, light eat-the-rich chatter is permitted, but only during the encore.  Between $100 and $150, the main set is fair game.  Between $50 and $100, harsh but generic condemnations of the wealthy are O.K.  Below $50, it's a free-for-all.  He can name names.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • BF25394 said:
    There an awful lot of straw man arguments being made here.  Something to keep in mind: if an individual expresses an opinion, unless you can point to that individual expressing a contrary opinion, it is not a valid argument to claim that the person is a hypocrite because unidentified "people" have expressed contrary opinions.

    Also, for the record, to the one poster who included Russia among the socialist/Communist countries that people aren't flocking to enter: Russia hasn't been Communist for thirty years.  It is a capitalist country.  It's a kleptocratic authoritarian oligarchy and a petrostate, but it's capitalist.
    Okay, I know they aren't communists. It is just a country as you pointed out that was under communist rule but, have been under tight control by their government/ruling entities ever since they became a "free and capitalistic society". I was trying to make a quick point. I'm always amused when people go out of their way to try and appear more intelligent than others on the internet. 
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 3,050
    smile6680 said:
    BF25394 said:
    There an awful lot of straw man arguments being made here.  Something to keep in mind: if an individual expresses an opinion, unless you can point to that individual expressing a contrary opinion, it is not a valid argument to claim that the person is a hypocrite because unidentified "people" have expressed contrary opinions.

    Also, for the record, to the one poster who included Russia among the socialist/Communist countries that people aren't flocking to enter: Russia hasn't been Communist for thirty years.  It is a capitalist country.  It's a kleptocratic authoritarian oligarchy and a petrostate, but it's capitalist.
    Okay, I know they aren't communists. It is just a country as you pointed out that was under communist rule but, have been under tight control by their government/ruling entities ever since they became a "free and capitalistic society". I was trying to make a quick point. I'm always amused when people go out of their way to try and appear more intelligent than others on the internet. 
    I was actually just trying to take potshots at Russia.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • That's funny. My mistake for the misunderstanding. Have a good night.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,602
    BF25394 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Ed's chatter on the next tour runs the risk of coming across very, very badly. 

    What's the cutoff ticket price for his chatter to be acceptable?
    It's a sliding scale.  Over $200, no chatter is acceptable.  Between $150 and $200, light eat-the-rich chatter is permitted, but only during the encore.  Between $100 and $150, the main set is fair game.  Between $50 and $100, harsh but generic condemnations of the wealthy are O.K.  Below $50, it's a free-for-all.  He can name names.

    :)
    And I would guess a scruffy Glen Hansard has even more leeway.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,020
    You can see plenty of bands in clubs for under 40 bucks. That's 95% of my concert calendar. If popular, established artists are too expensive diversify your interests instead of whining.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,020
    The real problem is when a band hits a certain level of popularity they inevitably have to deal with some contingent of petulant, entitled obsessives
  • tdawetdawe Posts: 1,994
    pjl44 said:
    The real problem is when a band hits a certain level of popularity they inevitably have to deal with some contingent of petulant, entitled obsessives
    Listen, all I want is for my favorite band to be popular enough to pack an arena full of screaming fans who are fucking pumped because they consider themselves very fortunate to be there, but not so popular that I can’t always easily get a ticket for a price that I don’t have to think twice about. Honestly I don’t think that’s too much to ask. 
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,602
    tdawe said:
    pjl44 said:
    The real problem is when a band hits a certain level of popularity they inevitably have to deal with some contingent of petulant, entitled obsessives
    Listen, all I want is for my favorite band to be popular enough to pack an arena full of screaming fans who are fucking pumped because they consider themselves very fortunate to be there, but not so popular that I can’t always easily get a ticket for a price that I don’t have to think twice about. Honestly I don’t think that’s too much to ask. 
    But the ticket pricing you want is being determined by your budget, then undies are in a bunch because the band decided to not cooperate with your expectations. 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,470
    edited December 2021
    tdawe said:
    pjl44 said:
    The real problem is when a band hits a certain level of popularity they inevitably have to deal with some contingent of petulant, entitled obsessives
    Listen, all I want is for my favorite band to be popular enough to pack an arena full of screaming fans who are fucking pumped because they consider themselves very fortunate to be there, but not so popular that I can’t always easily get a ticket for a price that I don’t have to think twice about. Honestly I don’t think that’s too much to ask. 
    'Eddie & The Earthlings is my favorite band' is something I've never seen written in this forum.

    That doesn't mean it hasn't been said, it just means the next time I see it will be the first time.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    pretty sure tdawe's sarcasm missed you both. 
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,470
    edited December 2021
    pretty sure tdawe's sarcasm missed you both. 
    The sarcasm wasn't lost on me at all. 

    My point stands. 
    Post edited by Merkin Baller on
  • tdawetdawe Posts: 1,994
    pretty sure tdawe's sarcasm missed you both. 
    Honestly it didn’t occur to me that the “band” referred to in the post I was quoting could be taken to mean “Eddie Vedder & The Earthlings”, but that is a very funny angle on it. 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,470
    edited December 2021
    tdawe said:
    pretty sure tdawe's sarcasm missed you both. 
    Honestly it didn’t occur to me that the “band” referred to in the post I was quoting could be taken to mean “Eddie Vedder & The Earthlings”, but that is a very funny angle on it. 

    Edit: I guess we're having two different conversations. 

    Sorry I responded this morning... have a great day. 
    Post edited by Merkin Baller on
  • BF25394 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Ed's chatter on the next tour runs the risk of coming across very, very badly. 

    What's the cutoff ticket price for his chatter to be acceptable?
    It's a sliding scale.  Over $200, no chatter is acceptable.  Between $150 and $200, light eat-the-rich chatter is permitted, but only during the encore.  Between $100 and $150, the main set is fair game.  Between $50 and $100, harsh but generic condemnations of the wealthy are O.K.  Below $50, it's a free-for-all.  He can name names.
    Yes, for sure a sliding scale.  And BF25394 is pretty spot on.

    And just FYI it is also Inversely Proportional for amount of Rare songs in a set.
    Below $50 is all hits and can be a Festival Set.
    Between $50 & $100 maybe a few covers and rare Tag.
    Between $100 & $150 at least Bee Girl Rare songs, but only 1 or 2.
    Between $150 and $200, maybe a one-off Tag, Getting into Strangest Tribe territory. And at least 3.
    Over $200 - Requires a New Live Debut song.  Other rare gems and a story never told at a show before are also included.

    The Earthlings better be practicing up on their one-offs.  And now Ed needs 9 new stories.
    There's no need to say goodbye
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited December 2021
    BF25394 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Ed's chatter on the next tour runs the risk of coming across very, very badly. 

    What's the cutoff ticket price for his chatter to be acceptable?
    It's a sliding scale.  Over $200, no chatter is acceptable.  Between $150 and $200, light eat-the-rich chatter is permitted, but only during the encore.  Between $100 and $150, the main set is fair game.  Between $50 and $100, harsh but generic condemnations of the wealthy are O.K.  Below $50, it's a free-for-all.  He can name names.
    Yes, for sure a sliding scale.  And BF25394 is pretty spot on.

    And just FYI it is also Inversely Proportional for amount of Rare songs in a set.
    Below $50 is all hits and can be a Festival Set.
    Between $50 & $100 maybe a few covers and rare Tag.
    Between $100 & $150 at least Bee Girl Rare songs, but only 1 or 2.
    Between $150 and $200, maybe a one-off Tag, Getting into Strangest Tribe territory. And at least 3.
    Over $200 - Requires a New Live Debut song.  Other rare gems and a story never told at a show before are also included.

    The Earthlings better be practicing up on their one-offs.  And now Ed needs 9 new stories.
    I would pay $750 to hear him play Dirty Frank in the encore… solo 

    if he wants to try it on the ukulele that’s up to him. Glen joining in at some point and/or providing backing vocals would also be acceptable 


    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,020
    tdawe said:
    pjl44 said:
    The real problem is when a band hits a certain level of popularity they inevitably have to deal with some contingent of petulant, entitled obsessives
    Listen, all I want is for my favorite band to be popular enough to pack an arena full of screaming fans who are fucking pumped because they consider themselves very fortunate to be there, but not so popular that I can’t always easily get a ticket for a price that I don’t have to think twice about. Honestly I don’t think that’s too much to ask. 
    'Eddie & The Earthlings is my favorite band' is something I've never seen written in this forum.

    That doesn't mean it hasn't been said, it just means the next time I see it will be the first time.  
    If you put your thumb over And The Earthlings it all comes into focus

  • Is Ed playing bass on this tour?  He's holding a bass in that picture, so I've gotta assume he is.  Definitely worth the $250 to see that!
    I've seen quite a few Pearl Jam shows.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    ddeschler said:

    Is Ed playing bass on this tour?  He's holding a bass in that picture, so I've gotta assume he is.  Definitely worth the $250 to see that!
    I don't think that's a bass. I think it's a type of ukulele strung like a bass or guitar. 
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




  • halvhalv Posts: 676
    ddeschler said:

    Is Ed playing bass on this tour?  He's holding a bass in that picture, so I've gotta assume he is.  Definitely worth the $250 to see that!
    I don't think that's a bass. I think it's a type of ukulele strung like a bass or guitar. 
    Looks similar to the guitar Ian Mackaye plays in The Evans. 
  • rriversrrivers Posts: 3,687
    Complaining is a problem now? You may want to mention that to Eddie.
    Well said!  I can't believe he's still singing about the "haves"!  The haves really don't have a clue, right Ed?!  :)

    I'll also say release the tracklist of an album or at the VERY least how many songs are on it if you are going to post it for presale.  And especially if you are going to post a "deluxe" version of it.


    "We're fixed good, lamp-wise."
  • pjl44 said:
    The real problem is when a band hits a certain level of popularity they inevitably have to deal with some contingent of petulant, entitled obsessives
    I agree. This forum has always been that way. The previous version of this forum(synergy if I remember correctly) seemed to be a never ending contest of who was the biggest fan. 
  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,171
    I think it is a bass. Someone posted the twitter or Instagram with commentary from the photographer.
    DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    tenor guitar.
  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,171
    I couldn’t find the post about the guitar so I’ll take it! Definitely not his regular guitar.
    DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
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