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Chris Christie's Redemption Tour

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    Chris is polling at 3%. Dead in the water.
    Who cares? We are happy he's telling maga republicans the truth. I really don't see your point. 
    It’s not going to change anything, is my point. Oh look! Chris Christie is standing up to POOTWH and speaking truth to delusion! Wow! What a guy!

    It won’t make a bit of difference and it doesn’t wash the stink off of him. The delusion runs too deep.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,312
    Chris is polling at 3%. Dead in the water.
    Who cares? We are happy he's telling maga republicans the truth. I really don't see your point. 
    It’s not going to change anything, is my point. Oh look! Chris Christie is standing up to POOTWH and speaking truth to delusion! Wow! What a guy!

    It won’t make a bit of difference and it doesn’t wash the stink off of him. The delusion runs too deep.
    Okay. So....what then? lol

    Would you rather him be talking about woke this or woke that? If you don't think it will me a difference, fine. But to be overly critical of the guy for telling the truth to Trump voters seems strange to me. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    Chris is polling at 3%. Dead in the water.
    Who cares? We are happy he's telling maga republicans the truth. I really don't see your point. 
    It’s not going to change anything, is my point. Oh look! Chris Christie is standing up to POOTWH and speaking truth to delusion! Wow! What a guy!

    It won’t make a bit of difference and it doesn’t wash the stink off of him. The delusion runs too deep.
    Okay. So....what then? lol

    Would you rather him be talking about woke this or woke that? If you don't think it will me a difference, fine. But to be overly critical of the guy for telling the truth to Trump voters seems strange to me. 
    I’m overly critical of the guy because he’s a POS former governor who worked for POOTWH and was onboard with that administration. And now he’s an opportunist who thinks his schtick will get him elected POTUS. I’d rather he sat on the sidelines and vociferously condemned POOTWH rather than go work for him. He was intoxicated by the proximity to power and now wants the ring. Fuck him, particularly because he was out of office and would not have suffered any consequences, not getting re-elected, had he had a moral backbone.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,312
    edited June 2023
    Chris is polling at 3%. Dead in the water.
    Who cares? We are happy he's telling maga republicans the truth. I really don't see your point. 
    It’s not going to change anything, is my point. Oh look! Chris Christie is standing up to POOTWH and speaking truth to delusion! Wow! What a guy!

    It won’t make a bit of difference and it doesn’t wash the stink off of him. The delusion runs too deep.
    Okay. So....what then? lol

    Would you rather him be talking about woke this or woke that? If you don't think it will me a difference, fine. But to be overly critical of the guy for telling the truth to Trump voters seems strange to me. 
    I’m overly critical of the guy because he’s a POS former governor who worked for POOTWH and was onboard with that administration. And now he’s an opportunist who thinks his schtick will get him elected POTUS. I’d rather he sat on the sidelines and vociferously condemned POOTWH rather than go work for him. He was intoxicated by the proximity to power and now wants the ring. Fuck him, particularly because he was out of office and would not have suffered any consequences, not getting re-elected, had he had a moral backbone.
    Everything you're talking about is in the past. By that rational, it seems as if you would prefer that nobody runs in the GOP primary. 
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,801
    Chris is polling at 3%. Dead in the water.
    Who cares? We are happy he's telling maga republicans the truth. I really don't see your point. 
    It’s not going to change anything, is my point. Oh look! Chris Christie is standing up to POOTWH and speaking truth to delusion! Wow! What a guy!

    It won’t make a bit of difference and it doesn’t wash the stink off of him. The delusion runs too deep.
    Okay. So....what then? lol

    Would you rather him be talking about woke this or woke that? If you don't think it will me a difference, fine. But to be overly critical of the guy for telling the truth to Trump voters seems strange to me. 
    I’m overly critical of the guy because he’s a POS former governor who worked for POOTWH and was onboard with that administration. And now he’s an opportunist who thinks his schtick will get him elected POTUS. I’d rather he sat on the sidelines and vociferously condemned POOTWH rather than go work for him. He was intoxicated by the proximity to power and now wants the ring. Fuck him, particularly because he was out of office and would not have suffered any consequences, not getting re-elected, had he had a moral backbone.
    Everything you're talking about is in the past. By that rational, it seems as if you would prefer that nobody runs in the GOP primary. 
    Agreed. Sounds like someone who  wants a one party system. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    Chris is polling at 3%. Dead in the water.
    Who cares? We are happy he's telling maga republicans the truth. I really don't see your point. 
    It’s not going to change anything, is my point. Oh look! Chris Christie is standing up to POOTWH and speaking truth to delusion! Wow! What a guy!

    It won’t make a bit of difference and it doesn’t wash the stink off of him. The delusion runs too deep.
    Okay. So....what then? lol

    Would you rather him be talking about woke this or woke that? If you don't think it will me a difference, fine. But to be overly critical of the guy for telling the truth to Trump voters seems strange to me. 
    I’m overly critical of the guy because he’s a POS former governor who worked for POOTWH and was onboard with that administration. And now he’s an opportunist who thinks his schtick will get him elected POTUS. I’d rather he sat on the sidelines and vociferously condemned POOTWH rather than go work for him. He was intoxicated by the proximity to power and now wants the ring. Fuck him, particularly because he was out of office and would not have suffered any consequences, not getting re-elected, had he had a moral backbone.
    Everything you're talking about is in the past. By that rational, it seems as if you would prefer that nobody runs in the GOP primary. 
    I want a rational repub party and a full throated repudiation of POOTWH as an administration and a candidate, and I certainly don’t want anyone who was a part of that shit show anywhere near the oval.

    Yea, a one party autocracy, that’s me.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    Gift article. This is what everyone who is running as a repub candidate for POTUS is up against. The issues and problems with the repub party run much deeper than POOTWH. They created a monster of shit and they own it. It’s going to take several election cycles to fix it, if it can be fixed at all. Chris doesn’t stand a chance but yay, he’s speaking up after being a part of the rot.

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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,312
    CHRIS CHRISTIE FOR AMERICA!
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    edited June 2023
    CHRIS CHRISTIE FOR AMERICA!
    Good luck with that.

    But seriously, where does Chris stand on the issues of today? Abortion. Climate change. Health care. Taxes. Budget deficits. Foreign affairs. And the most pressing issues of the day, drag queens, immigration and immigrants, legal or not, LGBTQ and gay marriage. Etc, etc, etc. And how do they align or conflict with POOTWH’s repub party’s agenda?
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,138
    CHRIS CHRISTIE FOR AMERICA!
    Good luck with that.

    But seriously, where does Chris stand on the issues of today? Abortion. Climate change. Health care. Taxes. Budget deficits. Foreign affairs. And the most pressing issues of the day, drag queens, immigration and immigrants, legal or not, LGBTQ and gay marriage. Etc, etc, etc. And how do they align or conflict with POOTWH’s repub party’s agenda?

    Yes Christie has terrible stances on issues, but this is the wrong question to ask. 

    How much did Biden win by? A few thousand votes in a few states? Is it a good idea for no one to challenge trump from within the party? Can Christie’s  challenge impact five percent of gop and independent voters? Is trumps danger beyond politics? Is his use of violence to maintain power important? Is his insistence that everyone working for the government or the party or law enforcement be completely loyal to him and not the country dangerous?
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,310
    CHRIS CHRISTIE FOR AMERICA!
    Good luck with that.

    But seriously, where does Chris stand on the issues of today? Abortion. Climate change. Health care. Taxes. Budget deficits. Foreign affairs. And the most pressing issues of the day, drag queens, immigration and immigrants, legal or not, LGBTQ and gay marriage. Etc, etc, etc. And how do they align or conflict with POOTWH’s repub party’s agenda?

    Yes Christie has terrible stances on issues, but this is the wrong question to ask. 

    How much did Biden win by? A few thousand votes in a few states? Is it a good idea for no one to challenge trump from within the party? Can Christie’s  challenge impact five percent of gop and independent voters? Is trumps danger beyond politics? Is his use of violence to maintain power important? Is his insistence that everyone working for the government or the party or law enforcement be completely loyal to him and not the country dangerous?
    When Trumpolinni wins the nomination all these clowns will bow down to kiss the ring! Every single one of them Pence has already stated that he will vote for the Orange savior 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,312
    CHRIS CHRISTIE FOR AMERICA!
    Good luck with that.

    But seriously, where does Chris stand on the issues of today? Abortion. Climate change. Health care. Taxes. Budget deficits. Foreign affairs. And the most pressing issues of the day, drag queens, immigration and immigrants, legal or not, LGBTQ and gay marriage. Etc, etc, etc. And how do they align or conflict with POOTWH’s repub party’s agenda?

    Yes Christie has terrible stances on issues, but this is the wrong question to ask. 

    How much did Biden win by? A few thousand votes in a few states? Is it a good idea for no one to challenge trump from within the party? Can Christie’s  challenge impact five percent of gop and independent voters? Is trumps danger beyond politics? Is his use of violence to maintain power important? Is his insistence that everyone working for the government or the party or law enforcement be completely loyal to him and not the country dangerous?
    Stop being so rational, damn it. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    CHRIS CHRISTIE FOR AMERICA!
    Good luck with that.

    But seriously, where does Chris stand on the issues of today? Abortion. Climate change. Health care. Taxes. Budget deficits. Foreign affairs. And the most pressing issues of the day, drag queens, immigration and immigrants, legal or not, LGBTQ and gay marriage. Etc, etc, etc. And how do they align or conflict with POOTWH’s repub party’s agenda?

    Yes Christie has terrible stances on issues, but this is the wrong question to ask. 

    How much did Biden win by? A few thousand votes in a few states? Is it a good idea for no one to challenge trump from within the party? Can Christie’s  challenge impact five percent of gop and independent voters? Is trumps danger beyond politics? Is his use of violence to maintain power important? Is his insistence that everyone working for the government or the party or law enforcement be completely loyal to him and not the country dangerous?
    I don’t know if Chris has terrible stances on issues as I haven’t heard his policy proposals. But what I do know is that if they’re not in alignment with POOTWH’s party, he’s not going anywhere and if he is, we get more of the same.

    How much is Soros paying Chris to be critical?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    CHRIS CHRISTIE FOR AMERICA!
    Good luck with that.

    But seriously, where does Chris stand on the issues of today? Abortion. Climate change. Health care. Taxes. Budget deficits. Foreign affairs. And the most pressing issues of the day, drag queens, immigration and immigrants, legal or not, LGBTQ and gay marriage. Etc, etc, etc. And how do they align or conflict with POOTWH’s repub party’s agenda?

    Yes Christie has terrible stances on issues, but this is the wrong question to ask. 

    How much did Biden win by? A few thousand votes in a few states? Is it a good idea for no one to challenge trump from within the party? Can Christie’s  challenge impact five percent of gop and independent voters? Is trumps danger beyond politics? Is his use of violence to maintain power important? Is his insistence that everyone working for the government or the party or law enforcement be completely loyal to him and not the country dangerous?
    When Trumpolinni wins the nomination all these clowns will bow down to kiss the ring! Every single one of them Pence has already stated that he will vote for the Orange savior 
    Exactly. Another great debate question, “if POOTWH is your party’s nominee, will you endorse and campaign for him?
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,312
    Timely opinion article. Sums up how I feel--

    https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/editorials/chris-christie-donald-trump-gop-primary-truth-democracy-20230625.html

    Chris Christie is willing to speak the truth about Trump. The GOP must be willing to listen. | Editorial

    The former New Jersey governor is an imperfect messenger, but he is the only Republican presidential candidate willing to stand up to Trump.


    Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is a long way from his days as a GOP golden boy, but in speaking the unvarnished truth about Donald Trump, he may help Republicans move on from the former president.Read moreTom Gralish / Staff Photographer
      by The Editorial BoardUpdated on Jun 25, 2023, 9:52 a.m. ET

    There was a time when former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie was a Republican star. His Jersey tough talk and handling of Superstorm Sandy helped him coast to reelection in a blue state.

    Early in his first term, many in the GOP wanted him to challenge Barack Obama and run for president in 2012.

    Then came Bridgegate and the state government shutdown, where he was famously pictured sitting with his wife on a state park beach otherwise closed to the public. On a sunny Fourth of July weekend, no less.

    By the time Christie ran for president in 2016, many had tired of his bullying and bluster. He dropped out after finishing sixth in the New Hampshire primary and endorsed Donald Trump. After Trump won, Christie briefly served as head of his transition committee.


    He continued to suck up to Trump in hopes of landing a job in his administration. After attending a White House superspreader event and helping Trump prepare for a debate in October 2020, Christie tested positive for COVID-19 and spent a week in intensive care.

    Christie finally broke with Trump in 2020 after the president claimed the election was stolen as ballots were still being counted.

    Flash forward to today and the old Christie is back, talking tough and running for president on a campaign centered on bashing Trump. He’s called Trump “angry,” “vengeful,” and a “loser.” Christie said Trump is “self-centered, completely self-consumed, and doesn’t give a damn about the American people.”


    Christie, a former federal prosecutor, said the U.S. Justice Department’s indictment of Trump for mishandling classified documents, including war plans and nuclear secrets, was “devastating.” Unlike the many Trump supporters who claim the indictment is part of a partisan witch hunt, Christie said the criminal charges were “damning” and “completely self-inflicted.” He added that Trump’s “conduct is bad.”


    What caused Christie’s conversion?

    Turns out I was wrong,” he said about his past support of Trump.


    Chris Christie joins Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on stage at a campaign event in Lawrenceville, N.J., in May 2016.Tom Gralish / Staff Photographer

    Christie’s Road to Damascus has been long and tortured, but his willingness to go where most Republicans fear to tread is a needed tonic for a party that has lost its way as it follows Trump deeper and deeper into delusion. While Christie is an imperfect messenger, he is the only GOP presidential candidate willing to say the wannabe emperor has no clothes.

    Other Republican candidates continue to tiptoe around Trump so as not to upset his loyal MAGA base. After Trump was indicted, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis attacked the Justice Department, railing against the “weaponization of federal law enforcement.”


    Former vice president and chief lapdog Mike Pence said he “can’t defend” the allegations against Trump, but quickly shifted to strained whataboutism by invoking the investigations of Hillary Clinton and Hunter Biden. Pence’s half-step comes after Trump said he deserved to be hanged.

    Former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, biotech executive Vivek Ramaswamy, Miami Mayor Francis Suarez, and conservative radio show host Larry Elder all indicated they would pardon Trump. The GOP’s continued defense of the defenseless Trump is embarrassing and reckless.

    Christie is unlikely to win the Republican nomination, but he is doing the country a service by speaking out. Such backbone has long been missing in a GOP that has been hijacked by a “consummate narcissist.”


    The twice-impeached and twice-indicted former president remains a danger to democracy. He helped incite a deadly insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021, and continues to stoke fury that has fueled talk of violence and civil war.

    Trump spent his one chaotic term in office abusing power, spreading lies, increasing the national debt, mismanaging the pandemic, angering allies, cozying up to dictators, fanning racial tensions, and dividing the country.

    By virtually any objective measure, Trump ranks among the worst presidents in history, yet many GOP voters say they want more. If Trump, 77, is reelected, it’s not hyperbolic to imagine the upending of the republic as we know it.

    Trump has already floated authoritarian ideas that include executing drug dealers, moving the unhoused to tent cities, deploying the military to quell protests, eliminating the U.S. Education Department, and restricting voting to one day. Trump has declined to say if he would support Ukraine in its war with Russia.

    Trump previewed the tenor of his second term when he bluntly told supporters, “I am your retribution.”

    The sooner the GOP can move past Trump, the better off the country and the world will be. Christie is not a cure-all, but he can play an important role in a Republican presidential campaign filled with kabuki theater.

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    curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,261
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    I think what @The Juggler and @Lerxst1992 have added here are the key points.

    I don't think anyone here is putting Christie on a pedestal and talking about how awesome he is. He has abundant faults, and he'll even admit to many of them.

    This election will be won on the margins, in swing states. Biden could win 100% of the vote in California and it wouldn't change the electoral college outcome -- no bonus points for landslide state victories!

    I'm a center-left democracy enthusiast and rabid constitutionalist who's currently living in a deep red state. I'll be voting for Biden in the general election, but for the primary, I'm registering as a Republican and voting for the GOP candidate most likely to beat the orange a$$hole; I'd like that GOP option to at least be someone I could live with (DeSantis is TFG with more IQ points).

    Would I love Christie's policies? Probably not. Would a President Christie pose an existential threat to Ukraine, NATO, and my odd-duck child and their trans/queer friends? No. Right now, that's enough to get my vote in the GOP primary.

    I hope, desperately that the GOP donors and campaigns get together and unite behind ONE challenger -- not named DeSantis -- to the orange menace. I think there is a *chance* that in a two-person primary, a challenger could beat TFG. In the current clown-car scenario, he only needs 20-25% of the GOP vote to win the nomination. That worries me.

    Christie is making waves in the polls. Will his appeal to GOP values from the before times last? I don't know. But I hope that some "normie Republican," inasmuch as they still exist, prevails.  
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    curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,261
    This belongs in a different thread; do we have a voting rights thread?

    Article from Democracy Docket, a progressive organization dedicated to protecting voting rights:
    https://www.democracydocket.com/opinion/out-with-the-electoral-college-in-with-the-national-popular-vote/

    <<Last month, Minnesota brought the U.S. one step closer to reforming the Electoral College and ushering in a national popular vote for president. How? By passing a little-known legislative provision called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. 

    The Compact is an ingenious workaround to the frustrating reality that fully abolishing the Electoral College requires a constitutional amendment — a nonstarter in this political moment. Instead of scrapping the Electoral College, the Compact simply requires that participating states award all of their presidential electors to whichever candidate wins the most votes nationally. But critically, the Compact doesn’t go into effect until states representing the majority of Electoral College votes — that’s 270 votes — have signed on. At that point, each state’s law will kick into action, and the winner of the popular vote will be guaranteed a presidential victory. 

    Minnesota is the 16th state to join. That brings the Compact’s total number of electoral votes up to 205 — just 65 short of a majority. It’s an exciting development, for sure. But without significant shifts in party control of state legislatures, it’s unlikely to be repeated more than a couple of times. >>


    Read the rest at the link.

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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,312
    The nerve of this guy for, belatedly, telling the truth! What's his stance on wokeness?!?!?!?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    The nerve of this guy for, belatedly, telling the truth! What's his stance on wokeness?!?!?!?
    What’s his stance on abortion?
    what’s his stance on gun violence?
    whats His stance on tax policy?
    what’s his stance on climate change?
    what’s his stance on ‘Murica’s role in the world?

    Being anti-POOTWH isn’t enough and is very low hanging fruit.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,312
    The nerve of this guy for, belatedly, telling the truth! What's his stance on wokeness?!?!?!?
    What’s his stance on abortion?
    what’s his stance on gun violence?
    whats His stance on tax policy?
    what’s his stance on climate change?
    what’s his stance on ‘Murica’s role in the world?

    Being anti-POOTWH isn’t enough and is very low hanging fruit.
    I don't care
    I don't care
    I don't care
    I don't care
    I don't care

    Being anti-Trump matters more than literally anything else right now. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,649
    The nerve of this guy for, belatedly, telling the truth! What's his stance on wokeness?!?!?!?
    What’s his stance on abortion?
    what’s his stance on gun violence?
    whats His stance on tax policy?
    what’s his stance on climate change?
    what’s his stance on ‘Murica’s role in the world?

    Being anti-POOTWH isn’t enough and is very low hanging fruit.
    I don't care
    I don't care
    I don't care
    I don't care
    I don't care

    Being anti-Trump matters more than literally anything else right now. 
    Being antiPOOTWH won’t get him the nomination. Drawing a distinction how he’d be a better candidate to take on Brandon and how he’d be better for them is what could possibly get him the nomination. Out by this time next year.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,312
    Literally nobody expects him to get the nomination. 
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    mickeyrat said:
    Hope he can get this message out on a widespread scale. It needs to be said and heard within the Republican ranks.
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    I think what @The Juggler and @Lerxst1992 have added here are the key points.

    I don't think anyone here is putting Christie on a pedestal and talking about how awesome he is. He has abundant faults, and he'll even admit to many of them.

    This election will be won on the margins, in swing states. Biden could win 100% of the vote in California and it wouldn't change the electoral college outcome -- no bonus points for landslide state victories!

    I'm a center-left democracy enthusiast and rabid constitutionalist who's currently living in a deep red state. I'll be voting for Biden in the general election, but for the primary, I'm registering as a Republican and voting for the GOP candidate most likely to beat the orange a$$hole; I'd like that GOP option to at least be someone I could live with (DeSantis is TFG with more IQ points).

    Would I love Christie's policies? Probably not. Would a President Christie pose an existential threat to Ukraine, NATO, and my odd-duck child and their trans/queer friends? No. Right now, that's enough to get my vote in the GOP primary.

    I hope, desperately that the GOP donors and campaigns get together and unite behind ONE challenger -- not named DeSantis -- to the orange menace. I think there is a *chance* that in a two-person primary, a challenger could beat TFG. In the current clown-car scenario, he only needs 20-25% of the GOP vote to win the nomination. That worries me.

    Christie is making waves in the polls. Will his appeal to GOP values from the before times last? I don't know. But I hope that some "normie Republican," inasmuch as they still exist, prevails.  

    That is a very sound idea.  I did the same thing in the 80's (although after all these years I'm not 100% sure who I voted for).  I might just do that again- though at this time, I'm not sure which candidate I would vote for.  Obviously not 45 and not DeSantis.  Maybe Christie.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,986
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    Love it...pro-tRump republicans are such cowards
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