When Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, was asked about the pledge earlier this month during an interview with ABC News, he indicated he would sign it. But after saying earlier this year he'd never support Trump again (even if he won the nomination), Christie immediately suggested he wouldn't necessarily take the pledge seriously.
"I'll be on the debate stage, and I will take the pledge that the RNC puts in front of me just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago," Christie said, saying that Trump "absolutely disregarded" the pledge in 2016 and faced no punishment.
During the first debate of the 2016 GOP nomination, Trump was the only candidate on the debate stage not to rule out the prospect of a third-party bid if he didn't secure the nomination.
He ultimately signed a pledge to support the party's nominee. But in February 2016, Trump called the Republican National Committee "in default on their pledge" before saying in March he didn't plan to abide by the pledge "anymore."
My retort is that Chris was asked if he’d vote for POOTWH and his response was along the lines of, “ look I’m a repub and I’ll vote for the repub nominee.” Voting and supporting are two different things and he pulled the typical politician bullshit that I thought everyone was sick of by responding that way. If he was true, he would have said, “ I won’t vote for POOTWH nor will I support him if he’s the repub nominee.” Chris wants his cake and he wants to eat it too. Maybe your link is from after he was on record as I claim? I’m not sure but regardless, “supporting” and “voting” are two different things, IMO, and not explicitly stating it is weak.
When Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, was asked about the pledge earlier this month during an interview with ABC News, he indicated he would sign it. But after saying earlier this year he'd never support Trump again (even if he won the nomination), Christie immediately suggested he wouldn't necessarily take the pledge seriously.
"I'll be on the debate stage, and I will take the pledge that the RNC puts in front of me just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago," Christie said, saying that Trump "absolutely disregarded" the pledge in 2016 and faced no punishment.
During the first debate of the 2016 GOP nomination, Trump was the only candidate on the debate stage not to rule out the prospect of a third-party bid if he didn't secure the nomination.
He ultimately signed a pledge to support the party's nominee. But in February 2016, Trump called the Republican National Committee "in default on their pledge" before saying in March he didn't plan to abide by the pledge "anymore."
My retort is that Chris was asked if he’d vote for POOTWH and his response was along the lines of, “ look I’m a repub and I’ll vote for the repub nominee.” Voting and supporting are two different things and he pulled the typical politician bullshit that I thought everyone was sick of by responding that way. If he was true, he would have said, “ I won’t vote for POOTWH nor will I support him if he’s the repub nominee.” Chris wants his cake and he wants to eat it too. Maybe your link is from after he was on record as I claim? I’m not sure but regardless, “supporting” and “voting” are two different things, IMO, and not explicitly stating it is weak.
No offense, but I've linked to two separate articles this afternoon that dispute your recollection of something he said at some point. In the first one he said he would not vote for either Biden or Trump. And he reiterated this stance again less than 24 hours ago. I don't know what else to tell you.
When Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, was asked about the pledge earlier this month during an interview with ABC News, he indicated he would sign it. But after saying earlier this year he'd never support Trump again (even if he won the nomination), Christie immediately suggested he wouldn't necessarily take the pledge seriously.
"I'll be on the debate stage, and I will take the pledge that the RNC puts in front of me just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago," Christie said, saying that Trump "absolutely disregarded" the pledge in 2016 and faced no punishment.
During the first debate of the 2016 GOP nomination, Trump was the only candidate on the debate stage not to rule out the prospect of a third-party bid if he didn't secure the nomination.
He ultimately signed a pledge to support the party's nominee. But in February 2016, Trump called the Republican National Committee "in default on their pledge" before saying in March he didn't plan to abide by the pledge "anymore."
My retort is that Chris was asked if he’d vote for POOTWH and his response was along the lines of, “ look I’m a repub and I’ll vote for the repub nominee.” Voting and supporting are two different things and he pulled the typical politician bullshit that I thought everyone was sick of by responding that way. If he was true, he would have said, “ I won’t vote for POOTWH nor will I support him if he’s the repub nominee.” Chris wants his cake and he wants to eat it too. Maybe your link is from after he was on record as I claim? I’m not sure but regardless, “supporting” and “voting” are two different things, IMO, and not explicitly stating it is weak.
No offense, but I've linked to two separate articles this afternoon that dispute your recollection of something he said at some point. In the first one he said he would not vote for either Biden or Trump. And he reiterated this stance again less than 24 hours ago. I don't know what else to tell you.
First post to start this thread. Granted November 2021 but I didn't believe a word he was spewing then and I certainly don't believe a word he's spewing now.
Offense? Offense? C'mon man. There's a disingenuousness to Chris and I think, at the end of the day, when he's in the booth or at the table filling out his ballot, he'll pull the trigger for POOTWH. I know I saw him say, "he's a repub and he'll vote for the repub nominee, even if its POOTWH." His stance may have changed since I saw that clip but I don't trust him and its clear he's going down by the reaction of the crowd at last night's debate and where he sits in the polls among repubs.
I couldn't access the NBC link without changing my ad blockers which I'm not going to do. Those things freeze up and fuck with my computer. Sorry.
When Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, was asked about the pledge earlier this month during an interview with ABC News, he indicated he would sign it. But after saying earlier this year he'd never support Trump again (even if he won the nomination), Christie immediately suggested he wouldn't necessarily take the pledge seriously.
"I'll be on the debate stage, and I will take the pledge that the RNC puts in front of me just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago," Christie said, saying that Trump "absolutely disregarded" the pledge in 2016 and faced no punishment.
During the first debate of the 2016 GOP nomination, Trump was the only candidate on the debate stage not to rule out the prospect of a third-party bid if he didn't secure the nomination.
He ultimately signed a pledge to support the party's nominee. But in February 2016, Trump called the Republican National Committee "in default on their pledge" before saying in March he didn't plan to abide by the pledge "anymore."
My retort is that Chris was asked if he’d vote for POOTWH and his response was along the lines of, “ look I’m a repub and I’ll vote for the repub nominee.” Voting and supporting are two different things and he pulled the typical politician bullshit that I thought everyone was sick of by responding that way. If he was true, he would have said, “ I won’t vote for POOTWH nor will I support him if he’s the repub nominee.” Chris wants his cake and he wants to eat it too. Maybe your link is from after he was on record as I claim? I’m not sure but regardless, “supporting” and “voting” are two different things, IMO, and not explicitly stating it is weak.
No offense, but I've linked to two separate articles this afternoon that dispute your recollection of something he said at some point. In the first one he said he would not vote for either Biden or Trump. And he reiterated this stance again less than 24 hours ago. I don't know what else to tell you.
First post to start this thread. Granted November 2021 but I didn't believe a word he was spewing then and I certainly don't believe a word he's spewing now.
Offense? Offense? C'mon man. There's a disingenuousness to Chris and I think, at the end of the day, when he's in the booth or at the table filling out his ballot, he'll pull the trigger for POOTWH. I know I saw him say, "he's a repub and he'll vote for the repub nominee, even if its POOTWH." His stance may have changed since I saw that clip but I don't trust him and its clear he's going down by the reaction of the crowd at last night's debate and where he sits in the polls among repubs.
I couldn't access the NBC link without changing my ad blockers which I'm not going to do. Those things freeze up and fuck with my computer. Sorry.
The first post of this thread is you, again, recollecting what you heard him say...two years ago. Sorry man. Not good enough.
I've linked to two recent articles and he was on national tv multiple times this week saying the same thing: that he's not supporting Trump.
When Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, was asked about the pledge earlier this month during an interview with ABC News, he indicated he would sign it. But after saying earlier this year he'd never support Trump again (even if he won the nomination), Christie immediately suggested he wouldn't necessarily take the pledge seriously.
"I'll be on the debate stage, and I will take the pledge that the RNC puts in front of me just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago," Christie said, saying that Trump "absolutely disregarded" the pledge in 2016 and faced no punishment.
During the first debate of the 2016 GOP nomination, Trump was the only candidate on the debate stage not to rule out the prospect of a third-party bid if he didn't secure the nomination.
He ultimately signed a pledge to support the party's nominee. But in February 2016, Trump called the Republican National Committee "in default on their pledge" before saying in March he didn't plan to abide by the pledge "anymore."
My retort is that Chris was asked if he’d vote for POOTWH and his response was along the lines of, “ look I’m a repub and I’ll vote for the repub nominee.” Voting and supporting are two different things and he pulled the typical politician bullshit that I thought everyone was sick of by responding that way. If he was true, he would have said, “ I won’t vote for POOTWH nor will I support him if he’s the repub nominee.” Chris wants his cake and he wants to eat it too. Maybe your link is from after he was on record as I claim? I’m not sure but regardless, “supporting” and “voting” are two different things, IMO, and not explicitly stating it is weak.
No offense, but I've linked to two separate articles this afternoon that dispute your recollection of something he said at some point. In the first one he said he would not vote for either Biden or Trump. And he reiterated this stance again less than 24 hours ago. I don't know what else to tell you.
First post to start this thread. Granted November 2021 but I didn't believe a word he was spewing then and I certainly don't believe a word he's spewing now.
Offense? Offense? C'mon man. There's a disingenuousness to Chris and I think, at the end of the day, when he's in the booth or at the table filling out his ballot, he'll pull the trigger for POOTWH. I know I saw him say, "he's a repub and he'll vote for the repub nominee, even if its POOTWH." His stance may have changed since I saw that clip but I don't trust him and its clear he's going down by the reaction of the crowd at last night's debate and where he sits in the polls among repubs.
I couldn't access the NBC link without changing my ad blockers which I'm not going to do. Those things freeze up and fuck with my computer. Sorry.
The first post of this thread is you, again, recollecting what you heard him say...two years ago. Sorry man. Not good enough.
I've linked to two recent articles and he was on national tv saying the same thing: that he's not supporting Trump.
Sorry, two years ago he said that to Nicole Wallace. I watched it live. Regardless, Chris is a piece of shit and won’t save us from POOTWH with his schtick. Faaaaaar too late for that. When POOTWH is re-elected, Chris will be grovelling for a job in the administration just like all the other lap dogs.
When Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, was asked about the pledge earlier this month during an interview with ABC News, he indicated he would sign it. But after saying earlier this year he'd never support Trump again (even if he won the nomination), Christie immediately suggested he wouldn't necessarily take the pledge seriously.
"I'll be on the debate stage, and I will take the pledge that the RNC puts in front of me just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago," Christie said, saying that Trump "absolutely disregarded" the pledge in 2016 and faced no punishment.
During the first debate of the 2016 GOP nomination, Trump was the only candidate on the debate stage not to rule out the prospect of a third-party bid if he didn't secure the nomination.
He ultimately signed a pledge to support the party's nominee. But in February 2016, Trump called the Republican National Committee "in default on their pledge" before saying in March he didn't plan to abide by the pledge "anymore."
My retort is that Chris was asked if he’d vote for POOTWH and his response was along the lines of, “ look I’m a repub and I’ll vote for the repub nominee.” Voting and supporting are two different things and he pulled the typical politician bullshit that I thought everyone was sick of by responding that way. If he was true, he would have said, “ I won’t vote for POOTWH nor will I support him if he’s the repub nominee.” Chris wants his cake and he wants to eat it too. Maybe your link is from after he was on record as I claim? I’m not sure but regardless, “supporting” and “voting” are two different things, IMO, and not explicitly stating it is weak.
No offense, but I've linked to two separate articles this afternoon that dispute your recollection of something he said at some point. In the first one he said he would not vote for either Biden or Trump. And he reiterated this stance again less than 24 hours ago. I don't know what else to tell you.
First post to start this thread. Granted November 2021 but I didn't believe a word he was spewing then and I certainly don't believe a word he's spewing now.
Offense? Offense? C'mon man. There's a disingenuousness to Chris and I think, at the end of the day, when he's in the booth or at the table filling out his ballot, he'll pull the trigger for POOTWH. I know I saw him say, "he's a repub and he'll vote for the repub nominee, even if its POOTWH." His stance may have changed since I saw that clip but I don't trust him and its clear he's going down by the reaction of the crowd at last night's debate and where he sits in the polls among repubs.
I couldn't access the NBC link without changing my ad blockers which I'm not going to do. Those things freeze up and fuck with my computer. Sorry.
The first post of this thread is you, again, recollecting what you heard him say...two years ago. Sorry man. Not good enough.
I've linked to two recent articles and he was on national tv saying the same thing: that he's not supporting Trump.
Sorry, two years ago he said that to Nicole Wallace. I watched it live. Regardless, Chris is a piece of shit and won’t save us from POOTWH with his schtick. Faaaaaar too late for that. When POOTWH is re-elected, Chris will be grovelling for a job in the administration just like all the other lap dogs.
Is having someone on the GOP stage talking about how bad tRump is good or bad?
It's good...long live Kristie Kreme!
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When Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, was asked about the pledge earlier this month during an interview with ABC News, he indicated he would sign it. But after saying earlier this year he'd never support Trump again (even if he won the nomination), Christie immediately suggested he wouldn't necessarily take the pledge seriously.
"I'll be on the debate stage, and I will take the pledge that the RNC puts in front of me just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago," Christie said, saying that Trump "absolutely disregarded" the pledge in 2016 and faced no punishment.
During the first debate of the 2016 GOP nomination, Trump was the only candidate on the debate stage not to rule out the prospect of a third-party bid if he didn't secure the nomination.
He ultimately signed a pledge to support the party's nominee. But in February 2016, Trump called the Republican National Committee "in default on their pledge" before saying in March he didn't plan to abide by the pledge "anymore."
My retort is that Chris was asked if he’d vote for POOTWH and his response was along the lines of, “ look I’m a repub and I’ll vote for the repub nominee.” Voting and supporting are two different things and he pulled the typical politician bullshit that I thought everyone was sick of by responding that way. If he was true, he would have said, “ I won’t vote for POOTWH nor will I support him if he’s the repub nominee.” Chris wants his cake and he wants to eat it too. Maybe your link is from after he was on record as I claim? I’m not sure but regardless, “supporting” and “voting” are two different things, IMO, and not explicitly stating it is weak.
No offense, but I've linked to two separate articles this afternoon that dispute your recollection of something he said at some point. In the first one he said he would not vote for either Biden or Trump. And he reiterated this stance again less than 24 hours ago. I don't know what else to tell you.
First post to start this thread. Granted November 2021 but I didn't believe a word he was spewing then and I certainly don't believe a word he's spewing now.
Offense? Offense? C'mon man. There's a disingenuousness to Chris and I think, at the end of the day, when he's in the booth or at the table filling out his ballot, he'll pull the trigger for POOTWH. I know I saw him say, "he's a repub and he'll vote for the repub nominee, even if its POOTWH." His stance may have changed since I saw that clip but I don't trust him and its clear he's going down by the reaction of the crowd at last night's debate and where he sits in the polls among repubs.
I couldn't access the NBC link without changing my ad blockers which I'm not going to do. Those things freeze up and fuck with my computer. Sorry.
The first post of this thread is you, again, recollecting what you heard him say...two years ago. Sorry man. Not good enough.
I've linked to two recent articles and he was on national tv saying the same thing: that he's not supporting Trump.
Sorry, two years ago he said that to Nicole Wallace. I watched it live. Regardless, Chris is a piece of shit and won’t save us from POOTWH with his schtick. Faaaaaar too late for that. When POOTWH is re-elected, Chris will be grovelling for a job in the administration just like all the other lap dogs.
Is having someone on the GOP stage talking about how bad tRump is good or bad?
When Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, was asked about the pledge earlier this month during an interview with ABC News, he indicated he would sign it. But after saying earlier this year he'd never support Trump again (even if he won the nomination), Christie immediately suggested he wouldn't necessarily take the pledge seriously.
"I'll be on the debate stage, and I will take the pledge that the RNC puts in front of me just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago," Christie said, saying that Trump "absolutely disregarded" the pledge in 2016 and faced no punishment.
During the first debate of the 2016 GOP nomination, Trump was the only candidate on the debate stage not to rule out the prospect of a third-party bid if he didn't secure the nomination.
He ultimately signed a pledge to support the party's nominee. But in February 2016, Trump called the Republican National Committee "in default on their pledge" before saying in March he didn't plan to abide by the pledge "anymore."
My retort is that Chris was asked if he’d vote for POOTWH and his response was along the lines of, “ look I’m a repub and I’ll vote for the repub nominee.” Voting and supporting are two different things and he pulled the typical politician bullshit that I thought everyone was sick of by responding that way. If he was true, he would have said, “ I won’t vote for POOTWH nor will I support him if he’s the repub nominee.” Chris wants his cake and he wants to eat it too. Maybe your link is from after he was on record as I claim? I’m not sure but regardless, “supporting” and “voting” are two different things, IMO, and not explicitly stating it is weak.
No offense, but I've linked to two separate articles this afternoon that dispute your recollection of something he said at some point. In the first one he said he would not vote for either Biden or Trump. And he reiterated this stance again less than 24 hours ago. I don't know what else to tell you.
First post to start this thread. Granted November 2021 but I didn't believe a word he was spewing then and I certainly don't believe a word he's spewing now.
Offense? Offense? C'mon man. There's a disingenuousness to Chris and I think, at the end of the day, when he's in the booth or at the table filling out his ballot, he'll pull the trigger for POOTWH. I know I saw him say, "he's a repub and he'll vote for the repub nominee, even if its POOTWH." His stance may have changed since I saw that clip but I don't trust him and its clear he's going down by the reaction of the crowd at last night's debate and where he sits in the polls among repubs.
I couldn't access the NBC link without changing my ad blockers which I'm not going to do. Those things freeze up and fuck with my computer. Sorry.
The first post of this thread is you, again, recollecting what you heard him say...two years ago. Sorry man. Not good enough.
I've linked to two recent articles and he was on national tv saying the same thing: that he's not supporting Trump.
Sorry, two years ago he said that to Nicole Wallace. I watched it live. Regardless, Chris is a piece of shit and won’t save us from POOTWH with his schtick. Faaaaaar too late for that. When POOTWH is re-elected, Chris will be grovelling for a job in the administration just like all the other lap dogs.
Is having someone on the GOP stage talking about how bad tRump is good or bad?
It's good...long live Kristie Kreme!
CHRIS CHRISTIE FOR AMERICA!!
Good luck with that. After November 2024, Chris will be relegated to the dustbin of history and be but a footnote in history books of one in a long line of names who enabled the destruction of US democracy. Unless he gets a job as a talking head and bloviates about how repubs have solutions to what ails ‘Murica. Good or bad? It’s shitting diarrhea into the wind.
When Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, was asked about the pledge earlier this month during an interview with ABC News, he indicated he would sign it. But after saying earlier this year he'd never support Trump again (even if he won the nomination), Christie immediately suggested he wouldn't necessarily take the pledge seriously.
"I'll be on the debate stage, and I will take the pledge that the RNC puts in front of me just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago," Christie said, saying that Trump "absolutely disregarded" the pledge in 2016 and faced no punishment.
During the first debate of the 2016 GOP nomination, Trump was the only candidate on the debate stage not to rule out the prospect of a third-party bid if he didn't secure the nomination.
He ultimately signed a pledge to support the party's nominee. But in February 2016, Trump called the Republican National Committee "in default on their pledge" before saying in March he didn't plan to abide by the pledge "anymore."
My retort is that Chris was asked if he’d vote for POOTWH and his response was along the lines of, “ look I’m a repub and I’ll vote for the repub nominee.” Voting and supporting are two different things and he pulled the typical politician bullshit that I thought everyone was sick of by responding that way. If he was true, he would have said, “ I won’t vote for POOTWH nor will I support him if he’s the repub nominee.” Chris wants his cake and he wants to eat it too. Maybe your link is from after he was on record as I claim? I’m not sure but regardless, “supporting” and “voting” are two different things, IMO, and not explicitly stating it is weak.
No offense, but I've linked to two separate articles this afternoon that dispute your recollection of something he said at some point. In the first one he said he would not vote for either Biden or Trump. And he reiterated this stance again less than 24 hours ago. I don't know what else to tell you.
First post to start this thread. Granted November 2021 but I didn't believe a word he was spewing then and I certainly don't believe a word he's spewing now.
Offense? Offense? C'mon man. There's a disingenuousness to Chris and I think, at the end of the day, when he's in the booth or at the table filling out his ballot, he'll pull the trigger for POOTWH. I know I saw him say, "he's a repub and he'll vote for the repub nominee, even if its POOTWH." His stance may have changed since I saw that clip but I don't trust him and its clear he's going down by the reaction of the crowd at last night's debate and where he sits in the polls among repubs.
I couldn't access the NBC link without changing my ad blockers which I'm not going to do. Those things freeze up and fuck with my computer. Sorry.
The first post of this thread is you, again, recollecting what you heard him say...two years ago. Sorry man. Not good enough.
I've linked to two recent articles and he was on national tv saying the same thing: that he's not supporting Trump.
Sorry, two years ago he said that to Nicole Wallace. I watched it live. Regardless, Chris is a piece of shit and won’t save us from POOTWH with his schtick. Faaaaaar too late for that. When POOTWH is re-elected, Chris will be grovelling for a job in the administration just like all the other lap dogs.
Is having someone on the GOP stage talking about how bad tRump is good or bad?
It's good...long live Kristie Kreme!
CHRIS CHRISTIE FOR AMERICA!!
Good luck with that. After November 2024, Chris will be relegated to the dustbin of history and be but a footnote in history books of one in a long line of names who enabled the destruction of US democracy. Unless he gets a job as a talking head and bloviates about how repubs have solutions to what ails ‘Murica. Good or bad? It’s shitting diarrhea into the wind.
Yep. Literally all we're happy with is him speaking the truth about Trump in the republican primary. The fact that you are against that is...odd.
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When Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, was asked about the pledge earlier this month during an interview with ABC News, he indicated he would sign it. But after saying earlier this year he'd never support Trump again (even if he won the nomination), Christie immediately suggested he wouldn't necessarily take the pledge seriously.
"I'll be on the debate stage, and I will take the pledge that the RNC puts in front of me just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago," Christie said, saying that Trump "absolutely disregarded" the pledge in 2016 and faced no punishment.
During the first debate of the 2016 GOP nomination, Trump was the only candidate on the debate stage not to rule out the prospect of a third-party bid if he didn't secure the nomination.
He ultimately signed a pledge to support the party's nominee. But in February 2016, Trump called the Republican National Committee "in default on their pledge" before saying in March he didn't plan to abide by the pledge "anymore."
My retort is that Chris was asked if he’d vote for POOTWH and his response was along the lines of, “ look I’m a repub and I’ll vote for the repub nominee.” Voting and supporting are two different things and he pulled the typical politician bullshit that I thought everyone was sick of by responding that way. If he was true, he would have said, “ I won’t vote for POOTWH nor will I support him if he’s the repub nominee.” Chris wants his cake and he wants to eat it too. Maybe your link is from after he was on record as I claim? I’m not sure but regardless, “supporting” and “voting” are two different things, IMO, and not explicitly stating it is weak.
No offense, but I've linked to two separate articles this afternoon that dispute your recollection of something he said at some point. In the first one he said he would not vote for either Biden or Trump. And he reiterated this stance again less than 24 hours ago. I don't know what else to tell you.
First post to start this thread. Granted November 2021 but I didn't believe a word he was spewing then and I certainly don't believe a word he's spewing now.
Offense? Offense? C'mon man. There's a disingenuousness to Chris and I think, at the end of the day, when he's in the booth or at the table filling out his ballot, he'll pull the trigger for POOTWH. I know I saw him say, "he's a repub and he'll vote for the repub nominee, even if its POOTWH." His stance may have changed since I saw that clip but I don't trust him and its clear he's going down by the reaction of the crowd at last night's debate and where he sits in the polls among repubs.
I couldn't access the NBC link without changing my ad blockers which I'm not going to do. Those things freeze up and fuck with my computer. Sorry.
The first post of this thread is you, again, recollecting what you heard him say...two years ago. Sorry man. Not good enough.
I've linked to two recent articles and he was on national tv saying the same thing: that he's not supporting Trump.
Sorry, two years ago he said that to Nicole Wallace. I watched it live. Regardless, Chris is a piece of shit and won’t save us from POOTWH with his schtick. Faaaaaar too late for that. When POOTWH is re-elected, Chris will be grovelling for a job in the administration just like all the other lap dogs.
Is having someone on the GOP stage talking about how bad tRump is good or bad?
It's good...long live Kristie Kreme!
CHRIS CHRISTIE FOR AMERICA!!
Good luck with that. After November 2024, Chris will be relegated to the dustbin of history and be but a footnote in history books of one in a long line of names who enabled the destruction of US democracy. Unless he gets a job as a talking head and bloviates about how repubs have solutions to what ails ‘Murica. Good or bad? It’s shitting diarrhea into the wind.
Yep. Literally all we're happy with is him speaking the truth about Trump in the republican primary. The fact that you are against that is...odd.
I’m against hypocrites, grandstanders and opportunists in politics. His previous support of and working for POOTWH exhibits a serious moral failing as well as extremely poor judgement. He’s not redeeming himself by speaking truth to corruption now. Waaaaaaaay too late. Fuck him. Further, his blathering is having no effect whatsoever on the cult. I’m not impressed nor am I grateful.
When Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, was asked about the pledge earlier this month during an interview with ABC News, he indicated he would sign it. But after saying earlier this year he'd never support Trump again (even if he won the nomination), Christie immediately suggested he wouldn't necessarily take the pledge seriously.
"I'll be on the debate stage, and I will take the pledge that the RNC puts in front of me just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago," Christie said, saying that Trump "absolutely disregarded" the pledge in 2016 and faced no punishment.
During the first debate of the 2016 GOP nomination, Trump was the only candidate on the debate stage not to rule out the prospect of a third-party bid if he didn't secure the nomination.
He ultimately signed a pledge to support the party's nominee. But in February 2016, Trump called the Republican National Committee "in default on their pledge" before saying in March he didn't plan to abide by the pledge "anymore."
My retort is that Chris was asked if he’d vote for POOTWH and his response was along the lines of, “ look I’m a repub and I’ll vote for the repub nominee.” Voting and supporting are two different things and he pulled the typical politician bullshit that I thought everyone was sick of by responding that way. If he was true, he would have said, “ I won’t vote for POOTWH nor will I support him if he’s the repub nominee.” Chris wants his cake and he wants to eat it too. Maybe your link is from after he was on record as I claim? I’m not sure but regardless, “supporting” and “voting” are two different things, IMO, and not explicitly stating it is weak.
No offense, but I've linked to two separate articles this afternoon that dispute your recollection of something he said at some point. In the first one he said he would not vote for either Biden or Trump. And he reiterated this stance again less than 24 hours ago. I don't know what else to tell you.
First post to start this thread. Granted November 2021 but I didn't believe a word he was spewing then and I certainly don't believe a word he's spewing now.
Offense? Offense? C'mon man. There's a disingenuousness to Chris and I think, at the end of the day, when he's in the booth or at the table filling out his ballot, he'll pull the trigger for POOTWH. I know I saw him say, "he's a repub and he'll vote for the repub nominee, even if its POOTWH." His stance may have changed since I saw that clip but I don't trust him and its clear he's going down by the reaction of the crowd at last night's debate and where he sits in the polls among repubs.
I couldn't access the NBC link without changing my ad blockers which I'm not going to do. Those things freeze up and fuck with my computer. Sorry.
The first post of this thread is you, again, recollecting what you heard him say...two years ago. Sorry man. Not good enough.
I've linked to two recent articles and he was on national tv saying the same thing: that he's not supporting Trump.
Sorry, two years ago he said that to Nicole Wallace. I watched it live. Regardless, Chris is a piece of shit and won’t save us from POOTWH with his schtick. Faaaaaar too late for that. When POOTWH is re-elected, Chris will be grovelling for a job in the administration just like all the other lap dogs.
Is having someone on the GOP stage talking about how bad tRump is good or bad?
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Good luck with that. After November 2024, Chris will be relegated to the dustbin of history and be but a footnote in history books of one in a long line of names who enabled the destruction of US democracy. Unless he gets a job as a talking head and bloviates about how repubs have solutions to what ails ‘Murica. Good or bad? It’s shitting diarrhea into the wind.
Yep. Literally all we're happy with is him speaking the truth about Trump in the republican primary. The fact that you are against that is...odd.
I’m against hypocrites, grandstanders and opportunists in politics. His previous support of and working for POOTWH exhibits a serious moral failing as well as extremely poor judgement. He’s not redeeming himself by speaking truth to corruption now. Waaaaaaaay too late. Fuck him. Further, his blathering is having no effect whatsoever on the cult. I’m not impressed nor am I grateful.
yeah politics today is what you are doing right now regardless of what you did or said last week
It's like all these people rallying behind the "Rich Men North of Richmond" guy...so now they see a problem with rich people running things? I want to tell that guy to STFU and go to college like the GOP always says to people complaining about the minimum wage. Now it's ok for magats to complain about shitty pay?
I mean no one is richer than tRump right? He's a fucking billionaire. So rich he can't even post his own bail.
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When Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, was asked about the pledge earlier this month during an interview with ABC News, he indicated he would sign it. But after saying earlier this year he'd never support Trump again (even if he won the nomination), Christie immediately suggested he wouldn't necessarily take the pledge seriously.
"I'll be on the debate stage, and I will take the pledge that the RNC puts in front of me just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago," Christie said, saying that Trump "absolutely disregarded" the pledge in 2016 and faced no punishment.
During the first debate of the 2016 GOP nomination, Trump was the only candidate on the debate stage not to rule out the prospect of a third-party bid if he didn't secure the nomination.
He ultimately signed a pledge to support the party's nominee. But in February 2016, Trump called the Republican National Committee "in default on their pledge" before saying in March he didn't plan to abide by the pledge "anymore."
My retort is that Chris was asked if he’d vote for POOTWH and his response was along the lines of, “ look I’m a repub and I’ll vote for the repub nominee.” Voting and supporting are two different things and he pulled the typical politician bullshit that I thought everyone was sick of by responding that way. If he was true, he would have said, “ I won’t vote for POOTWH nor will I support him if he’s the repub nominee.” Chris wants his cake and he wants to eat it too. Maybe your link is from after he was on record as I claim? I’m not sure but regardless, “supporting” and “voting” are two different things, IMO, and not explicitly stating it is weak.
No offense, but I've linked to two separate articles this afternoon that dispute your recollection of something he said at some point. In the first one he said he would not vote for either Biden or Trump. And he reiterated this stance again less than 24 hours ago. I don't know what else to tell you.
First post to start this thread. Granted November 2021 but I didn't believe a word he was spewing then and I certainly don't believe a word he's spewing now.
Offense? Offense? C'mon man. There's a disingenuousness to Chris and I think, at the end of the day, when he's in the booth or at the table filling out his ballot, he'll pull the trigger for POOTWH. I know I saw him say, "he's a repub and he'll vote for the repub nominee, even if its POOTWH." His stance may have changed since I saw that clip but I don't trust him and its clear he's going down by the reaction of the crowd at last night's debate and where he sits in the polls among repubs.
I couldn't access the NBC link without changing my ad blockers which I'm not going to do. Those things freeze up and fuck with my computer. Sorry.
The first post of this thread is you, again, recollecting what you heard him say...two years ago. Sorry man. Not good enough.
I've linked to two recent articles and he was on national tv saying the same thing: that he's not supporting Trump.
Sorry, two years ago he said that to Nicole Wallace. I watched it live. Regardless, Chris is a piece of shit and won’t save us from POOTWH with his schtick. Faaaaaar too late for that. When POOTWH is re-elected, Chris will be grovelling for a job in the administration just like all the other lap dogs.
Is having someone on the GOP stage talking about how bad tRump is good or bad?
It's good...long live Kristie Kreme!
CHRIS CHRISTIE FOR AMERICA!!
Good luck with that. After November 2024, Chris will be relegated to the dustbin of history and be but a footnote in history books of one in a long line of names who enabled the destruction of US democracy. Unless he gets a job as a talking head and bloviates about how repubs have solutions to what ails ‘Murica. Good or bad? It’s shitting diarrhea into the wind.
Yep. Literally all we're happy with is him speaking the truth about Trump in the republican primary. The fact that you are against that is...odd.
I’m against hypocrites, grandstanders and opportunists in politics. His previous support of and working for POOTWH exhibits a serious moral failing as well as extremely poor judgement. He’s not redeeming himself by speaking truth to corruption now. Waaaaaaaay too late. Fuck him. Further, his blathering is having no effect whatsoever on the cult. I’m not impressed nor am I grateful.
yeah politics today is what you are doing right now regardless of what you did or said last week
It's like all these people rallying behind the "Rich Men North of Richmond" guy...so now they see a problem with rich people running things? I want to tell that guy to STFU and go to college like the GOP always says to people complaining about the minimum wage. Now it's ok for magats to complain about shitty pay?
I mean no one is richer than tRump right? He's a fucking billionaire. So rich he can't even post his own bail.
The fact that Fox opened their debate with a question about that song is utterly ridiculous
yeah politics today is what you are doing right now regardless of what you did or said last week
It's like all these people rallying behind the "Rich Men North of Richmond" guy...so now they see a problem with rich people running things? I want to tell that guy to STFU and go to college like the GOP always says to people complaining about the minimum wage. Now it's ok for magats to complain about shitty pay?
I mean no one is richer than tRump right? He's a fucking billionaire. So rich he can't even post his own bail.
Gotta love the hypocrisy. Which is it? Pull yourself up by your bootstraps or be left alone, or both?
Could put this in the POOTWH or repub threads but I was most intrigued by the comments about Chris and as a formal federal prosecutor, he should know waaaaaaaaay better. But instead, Chris was upstaged by Asa. What an empty suit.
OpinionTheir hands don’t lie: Republican candidates trash the trial by jury
There were two surrenders this week — one by Donald Trump, and one to Donald Trump.
The second, by almost every Republican presidential candidate, was more important, more predictable and far more terrifying.
The signature moment of Wednesday’s debate was the raising of hands to pledge fealty to Trump over the rule of law, and if the ritual has become unsurprising at this point in Trump’s reign over the GOP, this particular manifestation bears noting.
Because the formulation put to the candidates — would you support Trump even if he were convicted by a jury? — was so stark, and the response so appalling. Every candidate on the stage — with the exception of former Arkansas governor Asa Hutchinson and, depending on how you interpret his hand gestures, former New Jersey governor Chris Christie — effectively declared that a trial by jury is just another American institution that must yield to the demands of Trump.
Pause to consider the implications of this answer. To answer that you would support Trump notwithstanding a jury verdict — to shoot up your hand in the eager manner of Vivek Ramaswamy or to gauge the room like a calculating Ron DeSantis — is to say: I do not trust the judgment of the American people.
Believe, if you will, that the criminal justice system, at the federal and state levels, has been weaponized against Trump. Believe that the Biden administration is out to get him, along with state and local prosecutors. Believe, even, that juries in liberal jurisdictions such as New York or the District of Columbia are irrevocably biased against him.
But the candidates’ answers — yes, most said, I would still support him — mean that even if a jury in the classified documents case were to find Trump guilty of obstructing justice and illegally retaining classified documents, Trump’s rivals would not be deterred from their slavish support.
Whom do you believe? Trump or a group of 12 jurors, sworn to be impartial, required to be unanimous in their verdict, instructed that the government has the burden of proving its case against him and that the evidence must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?
If you are a Republican running for president, the answer is: Trump, of course.
It would be possible to caveat this answer with the reservation that convictions are subject to appeal, and that, although judges are generally reluctant to second-guess jury verdicts, there may be legitimate legal arguments available to Trump. This is not the level of sophistication and nuance on which the candidates were operating. They were simply backing Trump, reflexively and completely.
Is there anything left of our legal system and the rule of law if we follow this path? It is hard to discern what that might be. Hutchinson got it right, but he was the only one. “Obviously I’m not going to support somebody who’s been convicted of a serious felony or who is disqualified under our Constitution, and that’s consistent with [Republican National Committee] rules, and I hope everybody would agree with me,” he said. Good luck with that.
Christie, for his part, tried to slice the salami too thin. “Someone’s got to stop normalizing this conduct, okay?” he said. “Now whether or not you believe that the criminal charges are right or wrong, the conduct is beneath the office of president of the United States.”
Yes, but that is not the only point, and that was not the question. The question was whether you would respect a jury verdict. If you are hedging, your answer is no, and you should know better.
There are, I suppose, some glimmers of hope to be found in this week’s twin spectacles. The candidates, notwithstanding the mass hand-raising, did manage to mostly agree that former vice president Mike Pence did the right thing in certifying the election results. Trump, not that he had much of a choice, did the un-Trumpian thing of, literally, surrendering, at the Fulton County Jail.
And yet, it was a bad week — another bad week — for American institutions. “Representative government and trial by jury are the heart and lungs of liberty,” John Adams said in 1774. In 1788, as the Constitution was being debated, Alexander Hamilton observed, “The friends and adversaries of the plan of the convention, if they agree in nothing else, concur at least in the value they set upon trial by jury.” Thomas Jefferson called jury trials “the only anchor ever yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution.”
We are living in unanchored times, in which ambitious candidates jettison cherished constitutional principles to placate the kind of tyrant the framers most feared.
yeah politics today is what you are doing right now regardless of what you did or said last week
It's like all these people rallying behind the "Rich Men North of Richmond" guy...so now they see a problem with rich people running things? I want to tell that guy to STFU and go to college like the GOP always says to people complaining about the minimum wage. Now it's ok for magats to complain about shitty pay?
I mean no one is richer than tRump right? He's a fucking billionaire. So rich he can't even post his own bail.
The fact that Fox opened their debate with a question about that song is utterly ridiculous
i saw the singer of that song came out and criticized the gop for taking his song as some sort of anthem for their side. he said that that song was written about all of the people on the debate stage, not so much the democrats.
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Brilliant strategy there Chris. Maybe, just maybe, if POOTWH is convicted and sentenced to prison before November 2024, you’ll have a shot. But, hmmmmmmm, something tells me “no.”
Indeed, Christie has, if anything, become more unpopular as the presidential campaign has gone on.
From what I can tell, he appears to have the lowest net favorability rating at this point in the cycle of any Republican running for president since at least 1980.
This doesn’t mean that Christie does not have a base of support within the GOP. A New York Times/Siena College poll from July illustrates the point well.
The former New Jersey governor led the Republican field (with 22%) among likely GOP primary voters who cast ballots for Joe Biden in 2020. The problem is this group makes up less than 10% of the Republican primary electorate. Christie earned only about 1% support among the remaining 90-something percent.
yeah politics today is what you are doing right now regardless of what you did or said last week
It's like all these people rallying behind the "Rich Men North of Richmond" guy...so now they see a problem with rich people running things? I want to tell that guy to STFU and go to college like the GOP always says to people complaining about the minimum wage. Now it's ok for magats to complain about shitty pay?
I mean no one is richer than tRump right? He's a fucking billionaire. So rich he can't even post his own bail.
The fact that Fox opened their debate with a question about that song is utterly ridiculous
i saw the singer of that song came out and criticized the gop for taking his song as some sort of anthem for their side. he said that that song was written about all of the people on the debate stage, not so much the democrats.
Yes he did...that was great and probably brave of him to say anything.
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yeah politics today is what you are doing right now regardless of what you did or said last week
It's like all these people rallying behind the "Rich Men North of Richmond" guy...so now they see a problem with rich people running things? I want to tell that guy to STFU and go to college like the GOP always says to people complaining about the minimum wage. Now it's ok for magats to complain about shitty pay?
I mean no one is richer than tRump right? He's a fucking billionaire. So rich he can't even post his own bail.
The fact that Fox opened their debate with a question about that song is utterly ridiculous
i saw the singer of that song came out and criticized the gop for taking his song as some sort of anthem for their side. he said that that song was written about all of the people on the debate stage, not so much the democrats.
Yes he did...that was great and probably brave of him to say anything.
and what I haven't heard him say though, is he may have intended the song to mean one thing but as with art the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Eddie meant one thing for Alive, WE changed it. Then he picked up on our interpretation and goes with that.
Reagan and GOP writ large TOTALLY missed the point of Born In The USA.... Still do in many respects.
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Still angling for that VP slot, eh Chris? So much for being the "only one to go after POOTWH on the debate stage."
More than an hour in this debate, no one has mentioned Trump’s four indictments — and the 91 felony charges he faces in four different jurisdictions. Nor the New York judge who ruled against him yesterday and said his company had committed fraud. His criminal issues are likely to dominate the headlines in 2024 and are the looming issue over the 2024 election. But most of the candidates don’t want to attack Trump over the indictments because his legal woes have helped him with Republican voters, according to the polls. Some of the candidates — Christie most prominently among them — have mentioned his conduct in the past. But so far, nothing tonight.
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he's right...
why didn't this question pop up last night? "Why should you be selected over tRump?"
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Offense? Offense? C'mon man. There's a disingenuousness to Chris and I think, at the end of the day, when he's in the booth or at the table filling out his ballot, he'll pull the trigger for POOTWH. I know I saw him say, "he's a repub and he'll vote for the repub nominee, even if its POOTWH." His stance may have changed since I saw that clip but I don't trust him and its clear he's going down by the reaction of the crowd at last night's debate and where he sits in the polls among repubs.
I couldn't access the NBC link without changing my ad blockers which I'm not going to do. Those things freeze up and fuck with my computer. Sorry.
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I've linked to two recent articles and he was on national tv multiple times this week saying the same thing: that he's not supporting Trump.
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It's like all these people rallying behind the "Rich Men North of Richmond" guy...so now they see a problem with rich people running things? I want to tell that guy to STFU and go to college like the GOP always says to people complaining about the minimum wage. Now it's ok for magats to complain about shitty pay?
I mean no one is richer than tRump right? He's a fucking billionaire. So rich he can't even post his own bail.
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Opinion Their hands don’t lie: Republican candidates trash the trial by jury
There were two surrenders this week — one by Donald Trump, and one to Donald Trump.
The second, by almost every Republican presidential candidate, was more important, more predictable and far more terrifying.
The signature moment of Wednesday’s debate was the raising of hands to pledge fealty to Trump over the rule of law, and if the ritual has become unsurprising at this point in Trump’s reign over the GOP, this particular manifestation bears noting.
Because the formulation put to the candidates — would you support Trump even if he were convicted by a jury? — was so stark, and the response so appalling. Every candidate on the stage — with the exception of former Arkansas governor Asa Hutchinson and, depending on how you interpret his hand gestures, former New Jersey governor Chris Christie — effectively declared that a trial by jury is just another American institution that must yield to the demands of Trump.
Pause to consider the implications of this answer. To answer that you would support Trump notwithstanding a jury verdict — to shoot up your hand in the eager manner of Vivek Ramaswamy or to gauge the room like a calculating Ron DeSantis — is to say: I do not trust the judgment of the American people.
Believe, if you will, that the criminal justice system, at the federal and state levels, has been weaponized against Trump. Believe that the Biden administration is out to get him, along with state and local prosecutors. Believe, even, that juries in liberal jurisdictions such as New York or the District of Columbia are irrevocably biased against him.
But the candidates’ answers — yes, most said, I would still support him — mean that even if a jury in the classified documents case were to find Trump guilty of obstructing justice and illegally retaining classified documents, Trump’s rivals would not be deterred from their slavish support.
Whom do you believe? Trump or a group of 12 jurors, sworn to be impartial, required to be unanimous in their verdict, instructed that the government has the burden of proving its case against him and that the evidence must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?
If you are a Republican running for president, the answer is: Trump, of course.
It would be possible to caveat this answer with the reservation that convictions are subject to appeal, and that, although judges are generally reluctant to second-guess jury verdicts, there may be legitimate legal arguments available to Trump. This is not the level of sophistication and nuance on which the candidates were operating. They were simply backing Trump, reflexively and completely.
Is there anything left of our legal system and the rule of law if we follow this path? It is hard to discern what that might be. Hutchinson got it right, but he was the only one. “Obviously I’m not going to support somebody who’s been convicted of a serious felony or who is disqualified under our Constitution, and that’s consistent with [Republican National Committee] rules, and I hope everybody would agree with me,” he said. Good luck with that.
Christie, for his part, tried to slice the salami too thin. “Someone’s got to stop normalizing this conduct, okay?” he said. “Now whether or not you believe that the criminal charges are right or wrong, the conduct is beneath the office of president of the United States.”
Yes, but that is not the only point, and that was not the question. The question was whether you would respect a jury verdict. If you are hedging, your answer is no, and you should know better.
There are, I suppose, some glimmers of hope to be found in this week’s twin spectacles. The candidates, notwithstanding the mass hand-raising, did manage to mostly agree that former vice president Mike Pence did the right thing in certifying the election results. Trump, not that he had much of a choice, did the un-Trumpian thing of, literally, surrendering, at the Fulton County Jail.
And yet, it was a bad week — another bad week — for American institutions. “Representative government and trial by jury are the heart and lungs of liberty,” John Adams said in 1774. In 1788, as the Constitution was being debated, Alexander Hamilton observed, “The friends and adversaries of the plan of the convention, if they agree in nothing else, concur at least in the value they set upon trial by jury.” Thomas Jefferson called jury trials “the only anchor ever yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution.”
We are living in unanchored times, in which ambitious candidates jettison cherished constitutional principles to placate the kind of tyrant the framers most feared.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/25/gop-candidates-trash-jury-trials/
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how is it no one bothers to say sure I’ll support him if he promises to support us. And make him put some money in escrow if he reneges oh is pledge?
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Indeed, Christie has, if anything, become more unpopular as the presidential campaign has gone on.
From what I can tell, he appears to have the lowest net favorability rating at this point in the cycle of any Republican running for president since at least 1980.
This doesn’t mean that Christie does not have a base of support within the GOP. A New York Times/Siena College poll from July illustrates the point well.
The former New Jersey governor led the Republican field (with 22%) among likely GOP primary voters who cast ballots for Joe Biden in 2020. The problem is this group makes up less than 10% of the Republican primary electorate. Christie earned only about 1% support among the remaining 90-something percent.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/27/politics/republican-primary-president-trump-rivals/index.html
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
More than an hour in this debate, no one has mentioned Trump’s four indictments — and the 91 felony charges he faces in four different jurisdictions. Nor the New York judge who ruled against him yesterday and said his company had committed fraud. His criminal issues are likely to dominate the headlines in 2024 and are the looming issue over the 2024 election. But most of the candidates don’t want to attack Trump over the indictments because his legal woes have helped him with Republican voters, according to the polls. Some of the candidates — Christie most prominently among them — have mentioned his conduct in the past. But so far, nothing tonight.
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Chris Christie just gave an entire answer to a question — about education — without mentioning Donald Trump.
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