Tragic event in which Alec Baldwin 'discharged' prop gun that left cinematographer dead.

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,306
    PJPOWER said:
    mickeyrat said:
    care to keep kicking or is the horse dead yet.
    Sorry, what I meant to say was “thoughts and prayers”.

    no. your point was made. well made. over and over and over and over.

    I want to know where the breakdown occured and how.

    what was industry standard before this incident , how that wasnt met.

    what changes should be adopted industry wide and how those come about. Who drives that? Crew unions? Directors guild? Producers? Insurance?
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited November 2021
    mickeyrat said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mickeyrat said:
    care to keep kicking or is the horse dead yet.
    Sorry, what I meant to say was “thoughts and prayers”.

    no. your point was made. well made. over and over and over and over.

    I want to know where the breakdown occured and how.

    what was industry standard before this incident , how that wasnt met.

    what changes should be adopted industry wide and how those come about. Who drives that? Crew unions? Directors guild? Producers? Insurance?
    Thanks for clarifying.  I think every entity you mentioned could help drive change and I think OSHA should get involved as well and require a minimum set of training for anyone handling a firearm on the job in any capacity.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts.  They're actors.  And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place?  Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
    And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
    Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…

    He should be charged…
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Except for “responsible” gun buyers in the “real world.” What a joke. Heavy advocacy for movie sets and the “tragic consequences” but nothing but Yee haws and Buh Buh Buh the 2A for the rest of us not living on a movie set. Hilarious.
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  • Poncier
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    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts.  They're actors.  And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place?  Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
    And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
    Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…

    He should be charged…
    Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.
    Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
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  • PJPOWER
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    edited November 2021
    Poncier said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts.  They're actors.  And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place?  Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
    And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
    Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…

    He should be charged…
    Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.
    Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
    Exactly why everyone should treat every gun as if it were loaded with a live round.  Basic safety…never point at anyone (no exceptions for actors or movie sets, they are obviously not immune to accidents) and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are sure of your target and ready to destroy what you are aiming at.  Very very basic stuff that anyone handling a firearm should know.
    The last thing anyone should ever do is assume any real firearm is not loaded with real bullets.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    PJPOWER said:
    Poncier said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts.  They're actors.  And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place?  Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
    And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
    Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…

    He should be charged…
    Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.
    Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
    Exactly why everyone should treat every gun as if it were loaded with a live round.  Basic safety…never point at anyone (no exceptions for actors or movie sets, they are obviously not immune to accidents) and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are sure of your target and ready to destroy what you are aiming at.  Very very basic stuff that anyone handling a firearm should know.
    The last thing anyone should ever do is assume any real firearm is not loaded with real bullets.
    You should call Alec up and tell him that.
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  • PJPOWER
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Poncier said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts.  They're actors.  And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place?  Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
    And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
    Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…

    He should be charged…
    Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.
    Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
    Exactly why everyone should treat every gun as if it were loaded with a live round.  Basic safety…never point at anyone (no exceptions for actors or movie sets, they are obviously not immune to accidents) and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are sure of your target and ready to destroy what you are aiming at.  Very very basic stuff that anyone handling a firearm should know.
    The last thing anyone should ever do is assume any real firearm is not loaded with real bullets.
    You should call Alec up and tell him that.
    I’m sure he is well aware now, but do you have his #?
  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Poncier said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts.  They're actors.  And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place?  Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
    And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
    Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…

    He should be charged…
    Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.
    Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
    Exactly why everyone should treat every gun as if it were loaded with a live round.  Basic safety…never point at anyone (no exceptions for actors or movie sets, they are obviously not immune to accidents) and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are sure of your target and ready to destroy what you are aiming at.  Very very basic stuff that anyone handling a firearm should know.
    The last thing anyone should ever do is assume any real firearm is not loaded with real bullets.
    You should call Alec up and tell him that.
    I’m sure he is well aware now, but do you have his #?
    Guess I could get it from Stephen or William
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Poncier said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts.  They're actors.  And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place?  Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
    And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
    Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…

    He should be charged…
    Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.
    Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
    Exactly why everyone should treat every gun as if it were loaded with a live round.  Basic safety…never point at anyone (no exceptions for actors or movie sets, they are obviously not immune to accidents) and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are sure of your target and ready to destroy what you are aiming at.  Very very basic stuff that anyone handling a firearm should know.
    The last thing anyone should ever do is assume any real firearm is not loaded with real bullets.
    You should call Alec up and tell him that.
    I’m sure he is well aware now, but do you have his #?
    Guess I could get it from Stephen or William
    :)
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,868
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Poncier said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts.  They're actors.  And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place?  Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
    And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
    Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…

    He should be charged…
    Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.
    Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
    Exactly why everyone should treat every gun as if it were loaded with a live round.  Basic safety…never point at anyone (no exceptions for actors or movie sets, they are obviously not immune to accidents) and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are sure of your target and ready to destroy what you are aiming at.  Very very basic stuff that anyone handling a firearm should know.
    The last thing anyone should ever do is assume any real firearm is not loaded with real bullets.
    You should call Alec up and tell him that.
    I’m sure he is well aware now, but do you have his #?
    Guess I could get it from Stephen or William
    Daniel certainly doesn't have it.
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  • dankind
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    Poncier said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Poncier said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts.  They're actors.  And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place?  Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
    And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
    Then don’t handle guns if you are that clueless and point a gun, pull the trigger in direction of people having never personally inspected the gun…

    He should be charged…
    Whoever loaded the live round is who should be charged.
    Baldwin was handed the gun with the announcement "cold gun", which most likely he has had happen hundreds of times in the past, no way he should/would have thought it contained live ammunition.
    Exactly why everyone should treat every gun as if it were loaded with a live round.  Basic safety…never point at anyone (no exceptions for actors or movie sets, they are obviously not immune to accidents) and don’t put your finger on the trigger until you are sure of your target and ready to destroy what you are aiming at.  Very very basic stuff that anyone handling a firearm should know.
    The last thing anyone should ever do is assume any real firearm is not loaded with real bullets.
    You should call Alec up and tell him that.
    I’m sure he is well aware now, but do you have his #?
    Guess I could get it from Stephen or William
    Daniel certainly doesn't have it.
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  • brianlux
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    I'm sorry I started this thread!
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  • mace1229
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    edited November 2021
    brianlux said:
    Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts.  They're actors.  And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place?  Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up?
    And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
    I don’t think he is criminally liable. But basic gun safety 101, first thing you’re ever taught as a gun owner, is never assume a gun is unloaded. We can expect actors to gain or lose 50 lbs, or hours a day learning dance/karate/music/extreme workout/whatever the role requires. But the mention of learning the first basic gun safety rule seems ridiculous to many. I just don’t get that.
    As long as real guns are used, everyone who touches it should know basic gun safety. It’s a whole lot easier than gaining 50lbs of muscle for a movie role that is often expected without a second thought.
    I agree, no live rounds should be allowed on a set. I heard several reports that the crew was using the “prop” guns as target practice during down time. Seems like someone left a live round in it and was never checked by the several people who handled it and were in charge. I don’t think it was a set up, just gross negligence of those in charge.
    And I used “prop” gun because a real gun used as a prop is considered a prop gun. 
    I don’t think Alec should go to jail. But I don’t understand why everyone wouldn’t want anyone who handles a real gun to have basic training and understanding and be a final check before using them? 
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • Meltdown99
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    No father of the year for the clown and no invite to lecture gun safety at an nra rally.


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  • The Juggler
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    edited November 2021
    Lots of talk about basic gun safety shit. Almost makes me think one should have to pass a gun safety test/course before being able to purchase and/or handle a deadly weapon. We do that with cars. Why not guns? Seems reasonable. 
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    The Juggler said:
    Lots of talk about basic gun safety shit. Almost makes me think one should have to pass a gun safety test/course before being able to purchase and/or handle a deadly weapon. We do that with cars. Why not guns? Seems reasonable. 
    Only on movie sets. Actors need to be “responsible.” More so than a real gun owner.
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  • brianlux
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    Lots of talk about basic gun safety shit. Almost makes me think one should have to pass a gun safety test/course before being able to purchase and/or handle a deadly weapon. We do that with cars. Why not guns? Seems reasonable. 
    Only on movie sets. Actors need to be “responsible.” More so than a real gun owner.

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  • mace1229
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    The Juggler said:
    Lots of talk about basic gun safety shit. Almost makes me think one should have to pass a gun safety test/course before being able to purchase and/or handle a deadly weapon. We do that with cars. Why not guns? Seems reasonable. 
    They do in California
  • mace1229
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    edited November 2021
    The Juggler said:
    Lots of talk about basic gun safety shit. Almost makes me think one should have to pass a gun safety test/course before being able to purchase and/or handle a deadly weapon. We do that with cars. Why not guns? Seems reasonable. 
    And I don’t remember anyone excusing gun owners from basic gun safety. Pretty much all gun owners here are for that. No one is expecting more from Alec than anyone else. Just “I’m an actor” isn’t an excuse to not know.

    I’m actually really surprised it doesn’t fall under common sense gun law to require anyone handling a gun to have basic knowledge of a gun and be able to check if it’s loaded. Sounds like a terrible idea to me to tell someone to point a real gun at someone and pull the trigger to not be able to check for himself if it’s loaded or not. Pretty sure they wouldn’t give the keys to a car to an actor who knows nothing about driving and expect them to drive on set. We’re not talking about being a gunsmith expert here, but to be able to check if it’s loaded? Why is that such a terrible idea?
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