Although not yet officially confirmed, I’ve read several statements that there was a single live round in the gun. It just blows my mind that live rounds are even allowed on set. Why have any live rounds anywhere near the place? And why even use real guns at all? Just read the definition of a prop gun, and the definition includes a real gun used as a prop, which apparently is still very common.
Totally agree. It's amazing something this terrible could occur at all.
"A pessimist is simply an optimist in full possession of the facts."
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The bigger question is, Why would someone (where ever this was first put up) post this old tweet at a time like this?
Same reason people bring up Trump's or any other A-Hole's old tweets when they end up doing something that they loudly and boisterously tweeted about. Baldwin has a pretty long history of being an A hole.
The bigger question is, Why would someone (where ever this was first put up) post this old tweet at a time like this?
gotta own the libs....
Well in fairness, it was a pretty douchey tweet by Baldwin, so can't be surprised someone would throw it back in his face.
I agree with this. If you're going to go out there and celebrate something outrageous like that to score political points, you are always subject to in coming back to haunt you.
Maybe now he would have a bit more compassion for what happened to Cheney.
The bigger question is, Why would someone (where ever this was first put up) post this old tweet at a time like this?
gotta own the libs....
Well in fairness, it was a pretty douchey tweet by Baldwin, so can't be surprised someone would throw it back in his face.
I agree with this. If you're going to go out there and celebrate something outrageous like that to score political points, you are always subject to in coming back to haunt you.
Maybe now he would have a bit more compassion for what happened to Cheney.
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Prop Gun Fired by Alec Baldwin Contained Live Bullet, Says IATSE Local 44 — UPDATE
The incident took place October 21 at the Bonanza Creek Ranch in Santa Fe County. It is under investigation.
Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was killed on the New Mexico set of the Alec Baldwin
film “Rust” after she was shot by a prop gun fired by the film’s star
and producer, Alec Baldwin. IATSE Local 44, which covers prop masters,
sent an email to its members early Friday morning that said the gun used
in the scene contained “a live round” and the production’s propmaster
was not a member of Local 44. Director Joel Souza also was hit and
injured by a bullet and was treated at an area hospital before being
released.
Sheriff’s deputies were dispatched to Bonanza Creek Ranch, a popular
filming location south of Santa Fe, Thursday afternoon in response to a
911 caller reporting a shooting on set. No charges have been filed and
the incident remains under investigation.
More at link.
A live round is a bullet.
There is some confusion here. One report I read (don't have the link now) said that a "live round" could contain no bullet (see below), but could have packing materials that could cause harm or fatality.
Definitions:
A "bullet" is merely the projectile that exits the barrel.
Specifically, it's a non-spherical chunk of lead, copper or other
material intended for use in a rifled barrel. The bullet's "caliber" is a
numerical approximation of the bullet's diameter, often expressed in
millimeters or hundredths of an inch.
"Bullet" should not be used
interchangeably with the term "cartridge," a bullet is a mere component
of it. Cartridges consist of the case, primer, propellant and
projectile. In the case of rifles and handguns, the bullet is seated in
the cartridge case. Cartridge is also an accurate term for any
shotshell.
When you shoot "Live" rounds they have a bullet in them, they aren't blanks. Blanks don't have a bullet. That is what I have been taught as the definitions of the two.
That is exactly what I said, thanks.
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The bigger question is, Why would someone (where ever this was first put up) post this old tweet at a time like this?
gotta own the libs....
Well in fairness, it was a pretty douchey tweet by Baldwin, so can't be surprised someone would throw it back in his face.
I agree with this. If you're going to go out there and celebrate something outrageous like that to score political points, you are always subject to in coming back to haunt you.
Maybe now he would have a bit more compassion for what happened to Cheney.
different circumstances completely.
but still it was classless
Exactly.
"A pessimist is simply an optimist in full possession of the facts."
I saw Baldwin speak over the weekend. He appears really distraught. The way he was talking is not like him. This man is going to go through hell some more unfortunately...
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Yeah, this must be horrible for him. Reports indicate he was told the gun was clean/safe. I am not a fan of his behavior, in general, but this is an awful thing to live with.
Just because it doesn't stack up next to the family of this women who needlessly died does not lessen what he now gets to carry. Not like he murdered her or something.
When I was in boot camp for usn, we had a day at a range. as I recall our basics were muzzle pointed downrange, finger off trigger unless positioned to fire. jammed? raise your hand keeping weapon downrange. there was no take mag out and check.
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When I was in boot camp for usn, we had a day at a range. as I recall our basics were muzzle pointed downrange, finger off trigger unless positioned to fire. jammed? raise your hand keeping weapon downrange. there was no take mag out and check.
that was a controlled situation.
a movie set is less so.....
either way you trust those you are told to.
no need to respond.
I know you are not looking for a response, but you mentioned two things that would have prevented this death. What would your range instructor have done if you crossed him with the muzzle? And the gun on set was a revolver, so no mags to check…An easy glance could tell a person whether or not it was loaded and with what. Alec could have just as easily shot himself in the nuts.
When I was in boot camp for usn, we had a day at a range. as I recall our basics were muzzle pointed downrange, finger off trigger unless positioned to fire. jammed? raise your hand keeping weapon downrange. there was no take mag out and check.
that was a controlled situation.
a movie set is less so.....
either way you trust those you are told to.
no need to respond.
I know you are not looking for a response, but you mentioned two things that would have prevented this death. What would your range instructor have done if you crossed him with the muzzle? And the gun on set was a revolver, so no mags to check…An easy glance could tell a person whether or not it was loaded and with what. Alec could have just as easily shot himself in the nuts.
a movie set is not a range. its expected that other actors or crew behind the camera will be "down range" for the scene to work as written.
as for it being a revolver, I might expect its probable but certainly possible faked lead of some sort might have been used for appearances sake. waiting for whatever report will be released
finally, gun safety courses seem to be an afterthought in most states laws. lets thank the political arm of the nra for that
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When I was in boot camp for usn, we had a day at a range. as I recall our basics were muzzle pointed downrange, finger off trigger unless positioned to fire. jammed? raise your hand keeping weapon downrange. there was no take mag out and check.
that was a controlled situation.
a movie set is less so.....
either way you trust those you are told to.
no need to respond.
I know you are not looking for a response, but you mentioned two things that would have prevented this death. What would your range instructor have done if you crossed him with the muzzle? And the gun on set was a revolver, so no mags to check…An easy glance could tell a person whether or not it was loaded and with what. Alec could have just as easily shot himself in the nuts.
a movie set is not a range. its expected that other actors or crew behind the camera will be "down range" for the scene to work as written.
as for it being a revolver, I might expect its probable but certainly possible faked lead of some sort might have been used for appearances sake. waiting for whatever report will be released
finally, gun safety courses seem to be an afterthought in most states laws. lets thank the political arm of the nra for that
I agree with you on pretty much everything there except I have never seen a clause to the safety codes naming actors specifically “down range” safer than trained military professionals when it comes to real firearms…There is a reason you should “never” do certain things or pretend they are not still dangerous things.
When I was in boot camp for usn, we had a day at a range. as I recall our basics were muzzle pointed downrange, finger off trigger unless positioned to fire. jammed? raise your hand keeping weapon downrange. there was no take mag out and check.
that was a controlled situation.
a movie set is less so.....
either way you trust those you are told to.
no need to respond.
I know you are not looking for a response, but you mentioned two things that would have prevented this death. What would your range instructor have done if you crossed him with the muzzle? And the gun on set was a revolver, so no mags to check…An easy glance could tell a person whether or not it was loaded and with what. Alec could have just as easily shot himself in the nuts.
a movie set is not a range. its expected that other actors or crew behind the camera will be "down range" for the scene to work as written.
as for it being a revolver, I might expect its probable but certainly possible faked lead of some sort might have been used for appearances sake. waiting for whatever report will be released
finally, gun safety courses seem to be an afterthought in most states laws. lets thank the political arm of the nra for that
I agree with you on pretty much everything there except I have never seen a clause to the safety codes naming actors specifically “down range” safer than trained military professionals when it comes to real firearms…There is a reason you should “never” do certain things or pretend they are not still dangerous things.
got it. no more movied or tv shows depicting gun use
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I’ll kick. I never saw him say movies shouldn’t depict guns. Just that there are some rules that should always be followed, or things you should never do. One thing you should never do is assume a gun is unloaded. It sounds like several people did that. Alec, the AD, and probably 1 or 2 more assumed the gun was checked and unloaded. It wasn’t. Never assume it’s unloaded.
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Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts. They're actors. And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place? Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up? And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
"A pessimist is simply an optimist in full possession of the facts."
Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts. They're actors. And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place? Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up? And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
Since they made the decision to use real firearms…It does not really take an “expert” to have some basic knowledge of firearm safety. They do not have some kind of special shield because they are actors. Maybe they should stick to rubber gun if they are unwilling (as professionals) to learn some basic safety that could probably be learned in less than an hour.
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Since when are actors supposed to be fire arms experts. They're actors. And again, why was there a live round in that gun in the first place? Sure seems suspicious to me- like maybe someone was being set up? And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?
Since they made the decision to use real firearms…It does not really take an “expert” to have some basic knowledge of firearm safety. They do not have some kind of special shield because they are actors. Maybe they should stick to rubber gun if they are unwilling (as professionals) to learn some basic safety that could probably be learned in less than an hour.
How many movie sets where they used firearms have you been present on?
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Totally agree. It's amazing something this terrible could occur at all.
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
The bigger question is, Why would someone (where ever this was first put up) post this old tweet at a time like this?
gotta own the libs....
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There are no kings inside the gates of eden
Maybe now he would have a bit more compassion for what happened to Cheney.
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Exactly.
New details: Alec Baldwin fired a live lead projectile on Rust film set, sheriff says
He is going through nothing compared to the family of the ladies' family he shot...
Who the fuck teaches gun safety to some are dumb as dog shit...
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https://www.nssf.org/safety/rules-firearms-safety/
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got it. no more movied or tv shows depicting gun use
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And OK, if not that, then why the hell a live round on a movie set?