Tragic event in which Alec Baldwin 'discharged' prop gun that left cinematographer dead.

mfc2006

Oh man....how sad.

tempo_n_groove

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

I'm not sure what they mean by a "live round" but this is disturbing:

https://www.indiewire.com/2021/10/alec-baldwin-fires-gun-kills-cinematographer-wounds-director-on-rust-set-1234673555/

Prop Gun Fired by Alec Baldwin Contained Live Bullet, Says IATSE Local 44 — UPDATE

The incident took place October 21 at the Bonanza Creek Ranch in Santa Fe County. It is under investigation.

Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was killed on the New Mexico set of the Alec Baldwin film “Rust” after she was shot by a prop gun fired by the film’s star and producer, Alec Baldwin. IATSE Local 44, which covers prop masters, sent an email to its members early Friday morning that said the gun used in the scene contained “a live round” and the production’s propmaster was not a member of Local 44. Director Joel Souza also was hit and injured by a bullet and was treated at an area hospital before being released.

Sheriff’s deputies were dispatched to Bonanza Creek Ranch, a popular filming location south of Santa Fe, Thursday afternoon in response to a 911 caller reporting a shooting on set. No charges have been filed and the incident remains under investigation.

More at link.

A live round is a bullet.

There is some confusion here.  One report I read (don't have the link now) said that a "live round" could contain no bullet (see below), but could have packing materials that could cause harm or fatality.

Definitions:

A "bullet" is merely the projectile that exits the barrel. Specifically, it's a non-spherical chunk of lead, copper or other material intended for use in a rifled barrel. The bullet's "caliber" is a numerical approximation of the bullet's diameter, often expressed in millimeters or hundredths of an inch.

"Bullet" should not be used interchangeably with the term "cartridge," a bullet is a mere component of it. Cartridges consist of the case, primer, propellant and projectile. In the case of rifles and handguns, the bullet is seated in the cartridge case. Cartridge is also an accurate term for any shotshell.

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/9-misused-gun-terms/249625

When you shoot "Live" rounds they have a bullet in them, they aren't blanks.  Blanks don't have a bullet.  That is what I have been taught as the definitions of the two.

brianlux

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

I'm not sure what they mean by a "live round" but this is disturbing:

https://www.indiewire.com/2021/10/alec-baldwin-fires-gun-kills-cinematographer-wounds-director-on-rust-set-1234673555/

Prop Gun Fired by Alec Baldwin Contained Live Bullet, Says IATSE Local 44 — UPDATE

The incident took place October 21 at the Bonanza Creek Ranch in Santa Fe County. It is under investigation.

Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was killed on the New Mexico set of the Alec Baldwin film “Rust” after she was shot by a prop gun fired by the film’s star and producer, Alec Baldwin. IATSE Local 44, which covers prop masters, sent an email to its members early Friday morning that said the gun used in the scene contained “a live round” and the production’s propmaster was not a member of Local 44. Director Joel Souza also was hit and injured by a bullet and was treated at an area hospital before being released.

Sheriff’s deputies were dispatched to Bonanza Creek Ranch, a popular filming location south of Santa Fe, Thursday afternoon in response to a 911 caller reporting a shooting on set. No charges have been filed and the incident remains under investigation.

More at link.

A live round is a bullet.

There is some confusion here.  One report I read (don't have the link now) said that a "live round" could contain no bullet (see below), but could have packing materials that could cause harm or fatality.

Definitions:

A "bullet" is merely the projectile that exits the barrel. Specifically, it's a non-spherical chunk of lead, copper or other material intended for use in a rifled barrel. The bullet's "caliber" is a numerical approximation of the bullet's diameter, often expressed in millimeters or hundredths of an inch.

"Bullet" should not be used interchangeably with the term "cartridge," a bullet is a mere component of it. Cartridges consist of the case, primer, propellant and projectile. In the case of rifles and handguns, the bullet is seated in the cartridge case. Cartridge is also an accurate term for any shotshell.

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/9-misused-gun-terms/249625

When you shoot "Live" rounds they have a bullet in them, they aren't blanks.  Blanks don't have a bullet.  That is what I have been taught as the definitions of the two.

Yeah, makes sense to me.  Wish I could find that other article that talks about "live rounds" with no bullet. 
Oh well, the fact remains- this incident is very tragic. 
Beyond that, it's hard to imagine how it could happen.  I would think there would be more safety protocol for this sort of thing.

Spiritual_Chaos

https://twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/1451572461787439106?s=20

https://twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/1451573351588106246?s=20

lastexitlondon

Sad for all involved. 

Spiritual_Chaos

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

I'm not sure what they mean by a "live round" but this is disturbing:

https://www.indiewire.com/2021/10/alec-baldwin-fires-gun-kills-cinematographer-wounds-director-on-rust-set-1234673555/

Prop Gun Fired by Alec Baldwin Contained Live Bullet, Says IATSE Local 44 — UPDATE

The incident took place October 21 at the Bonanza Creek Ranch in Santa Fe County. It is under investigation.

Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was killed on the New Mexico set of the Alec Baldwin film “Rust” after she was shot by a prop gun fired by the film’s star and producer, Alec Baldwin. IATSE Local 44, which covers prop masters, sent an email to its members early Friday morning that said the gun used in the scene contained “a live round” and the production’s propmaster was not a member of Local 44. Director Joel Souza also was hit and injured by a bullet and was treated at an area hospital before being released.

Sheriff’s deputies were dispatched to Bonanza Creek Ranch, a popular filming location south of Santa Fe, Thursday afternoon in response to a 911 caller reporting a shooting on set. No charges have been filed and the incident remains under investigation.

More at link.

A live round is a bullet.

There is some confusion here.  One report I read (don't have the link now) said that a "live round" could contain no bullet (see below), but could have packing materials that could cause harm or fatality.

Definitions:

A "bullet" is merely the projectile that exits the barrel. Specifically, it's a non-spherical chunk of lead, copper or other material intended for use in a rifled barrel. The bullet's "caliber" is a numerical approximation of the bullet's diameter, often expressed in millimeters or hundredths of an inch.

"Bullet" should not be used interchangeably with the term "cartridge," a bullet is a mere component of it. Cartridges consist of the case, primer, propellant and projectile. In the case of rifles and handguns, the bullet is seated in the cartridge case. Cartridge is also an accurate term for any shotshell.

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/9-misused-gun-terms/249625

When you shoot "Live" rounds they have a bullet in them, they aren't blanks.  Blanks don't have a bullet.  That is what I have been taught as the definitions of the two.

Meltdown99

Alec Baldwin 'Rust' camera crew walked off before shooting - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

Safety protocols standard in the industry, including gun inspections, were not strictly followed on the “Rust” set near Santa Fe, the sources said. They said at least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to a production manager about gun safety on the set.

Merkin Baller

Oh dear 

mickeyrat

https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-shootings-movies-santa-fe-9132dc507b5bd9273156f051998e5d03

Baldwin was told gun was 'cold' before movie set shooting

By MORGAN LEE, SUSAN MONTOYA BRYAN and CEDAR ATTANASIO

Today

SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — As a film crew and actors in Western garb prepared to rehearse a scene inside a wooden, chapel-like building on a desert movie ranch outside Santa Fe, assistant director Dave Halls stepped outside and grabbed a prop gun off a cart.

He walked back in and handed it to the film's star, Alec Baldwin, assuring him it was safe to use because it didn't have live ammo.

“Cold gun,” Halls yelled.

It wasn't, according to court records made public Friday. Instead, when Baldwin pulled the trigger Thursday, he killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded director Joel Souza, who was standing behind her.

The tragedy came nearly three decades after Brandon Lee, the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, died in a similar case, and it prompted horrified questions about how it could have happened again. The executive producer of ABC’s police drama “The Rookie” announced Friday the show would no longer use “live" weapons because the “safety of our cast and crew is too important.”

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mace1229

Although not yet officially confirmed, I’ve read several statements that there was a single live round in the gun. It just blows my mind that live rounds are even allowed on set. Why have any live rounds anywhere near the place? And why even use real guns at all? Just read the definition of a prop gun, and the definition includes a real gun used as a prop, which apparently is still very common.

brianlux

mace1229 said:

Although not yet officially confirmed, I’ve read several statements that there was a single live round in the gun. It just blows my mind that live rounds are even allowed on set. Why have any live rounds anywhere near the place? And why even use real guns at all? Just read the definition of a prop gun, and the definition includes a real gun used as a prop, which apparently is still very common.

Totally agree.  It's amazing something this terrible could occur at all.

static111

Merkin Baller said:

Oh dear 

Wow. Is this a real tweet?

brianlux

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Oh dear 

Wow. Is this a real tweet?

The bigger question is, Why would someone (where ever this was first put up) post this old tweet at a time like this?

mickeyrat

brianlux said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Oh dear 

Wow. Is this a real tweet?

The bigger question is, Why would someone (where ever this was first put up) post this old tweet at a time like this?

gotta own the libs....

Poncier

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Oh dear 

Wow. Is this a real tweet?

The bigger question is, Why would someone (where ever this was first put up) post this old tweet at a time like this?

gotta own the libs....

Well in fairness, it was a pretty douchey tweet by Baldwin, so can't be surprised someone would throw it back in his face.

Merkin Baller

Poncier said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Oh dear 

Wow. Is this a real tweet?

The bigger question is, Why would someone (where ever this was first put up) post this old tweet at a time like this?

gotta own the libs....

Well in fairness, it was a pretty douchey tweet by Baldwin, so can't be surprised someone would throw it back in his face.

I mean... the f'ing irony. 

static111

brianlux said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Oh dear 

Wow. Is this a real tweet?

The bigger question is, Why would someone (where ever this was first put up) post this old tweet at a time like this?

Same reason people bring up Trump's or any other A-Hole's old tweets when they end up doing something that they loudly and boisterously tweeted about.  Baldwin has a pretty long history of being an A hole.

MayDay10

Poncier said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Oh dear 

Wow. Is this a real tweet?

The bigger question is, Why would someone (where ever this was first put up) post this old tweet at a time like this?

gotta own the libs....

Well in fairness, it was a pretty douchey tweet by Baldwin, so can't be surprised someone would throw it back in his face.

I agree with this.  If you're going to go out there and celebrate something outrageous like that to score political points, you are always subject to in coming back to haunt you.

Maybe now he would have a bit more compassion for what happened to Cheney.  

mickeyrat

MayDay10 said:

Poncier said:

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

static111 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Oh dear 

Wow. Is this a real tweet?

The bigger question is, Why would someone (where ever this was first put up) post this old tweet at a time like this?

gotta own the libs....

Well in fairness, it was a pretty douchey tweet by Baldwin, so can't be surprised someone would throw it back in his face.

I agree with this.  If you're going to go out there and celebrate something outrageous like that to score political points, you are always subject to in coming back to haunt you.

Maybe now he would have a bit more compassion for what happened to Cheney.  

different circumstances completely.

but still it was classless

tempo_n_groove

Spiritual_Chaos said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

I'm not sure what they mean by a "live round" but this is disturbing:

https://www.indiewire.com/2021/10/alec-baldwin-fires-gun-kills-cinematographer-wounds-director-on-rust-set-1234673555/

Prop Gun Fired by Alec Baldwin Contained Live Bullet, Says IATSE Local 44 — UPDATE

The incident took place October 21 at the Bonanza Creek Ranch in Santa Fe County. It is under investigation.

Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was killed on the New Mexico set of the Alec Baldwin film “Rust” after she was shot by a prop gun fired by the film’s star and producer, Alec Baldwin. IATSE Local 44, which covers prop masters, sent an email to its members early Friday morning that said the gun used in the scene contained “a live round” and the production’s propmaster was not a member of Local 44. Director Joel Souza also was hit and injured by a bullet and was treated at an area hospital before being released.

Sheriff’s deputies were dispatched to Bonanza Creek Ranch, a popular filming location south of Santa Fe, Thursday afternoon in response to a 911 caller reporting a shooting on set. No charges have been filed and the incident remains under investigation.

More at link.

A live round is a bullet.

There is some confusion here.  One report I read (don't have the link now) said that a "live round" could contain no bullet (see below), but could have packing materials that could cause harm or fatality.

Definitions:

A "bullet" is merely the projectile that exits the barrel. Specifically, it's a non-spherical chunk of lead, copper or other material intended for use in a rifled barrel. The bullet's "caliber" is a numerical approximation of the bullet's diameter, often expressed in millimeters or hundredths of an inch.

"Bullet" should not be used interchangeably with the term "cartridge," a bullet is a mere component of it. Cartridges consist of the case, primer, propellant and projectile. In the case of rifles and handguns, the bullet is seated in the cartridge case. Cartridge is also an accurate term for any shotshell.

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/9-misused-gun-terms/249625

When you shoot "Live" rounds they have a bullet in them, they aren't blanks.  Blanks don't have a bullet.  That is what I have been taught as the definitions of the two.

That is exactly what I said, thanks.