The most "ahead of it's time" albums you know of.

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  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    brianlux said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    brianlux said:
    According to Wikipedia, "The bandname is a portmanteau of deceased Rolling Stones founder Brian Jones and the 1978 Jonestown Massacre."  That's going to make a fair an objective review of their work difficult for me.
    It's all about the music Brian!
    I guess I'm being a bit like Joy Division's Peter "Hooky" Hook when he was asked if he liked the Buzzcocks, "Their OK, but who would use the word  "cock" in their name"?  LOL.

    I was already so grown before it ever clicked for me that "buzzcock" was a name for a vibrator!! I was like "OMG!!! I've been singing along to their songs for decades!" :blush:
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    JH6056 said:
    brianlux said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    brianlux said:
    According to Wikipedia, "The bandname is a portmanteau of deceased Rolling Stones founder Brian Jones and the 1978 Jonestown Massacre."  That's going to make a fair an objective review of their work difficult for me.
    It's all about the music Brian!
    I guess I'm being a bit like Joy Division's Peter "Hooky" Hook when he was asked if he liked the Buzzcocks, "Their OK, but who would use the word  "cock" in their name"?  LOL.

    I was already so grown before it ever clicked for me that "buzzcock" was a name for a vibrator!! I was like "OMG!!! I've been singing along to their songs for decades!" :blush:
    Ever rap along to an NWA song?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    JH6056 said:
    brianlux said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    brianlux said:
    According to Wikipedia, "The bandname is a portmanteau of deceased Rolling Stones founder Brian Jones and the 1978 Jonestown Massacre."  That's going to make a fair an objective review of their work difficult for me.
    It's all about the music Brian!
    I guess I'm being a bit like Joy Division's Peter "Hooky" Hook when he was asked if he liked the Buzzcocks, "Their OK, but who would use the word  "cock" in their name"?  LOL.

    I was already so grown before it ever clicked for me that "buzzcock" was a name for a vibrator!! I was like "OMG!!! I've been singing along to their songs for decades!" :blush:

    LOL.  It's bad enough that there is a band called "Steely Dan". 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JH6056 said:
    brianlux said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    brianlux said:
    According to Wikipedia, "The bandname is a portmanteau of deceased Rolling Stones founder Brian Jones and the 1978 Jonestown Massacre."  That's going to make a fair an objective review of their work difficult for me.
    It's all about the music Brian!
    I guess I'm being a bit like Joy Division's Peter "Hooky" Hook when he was asked if he liked the Buzzcocks, "Their OK, but who would use the word  "cock" in their name"?  LOL.

    I was already so grown before it ever clicked for me that "buzzcock" was a name for a vibrator!! I was like "OMG!!! I've been singing along to their songs for decades!" :blush:
    Ever rap along to an NWA song?
    Well yeah, but there aren't too many words that I don't know what they mean with them.  Plenty I skip over when singing out loud, but no mystery words ;) 
  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    brianlux said:
    JH6056 said:
    brianlux said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    brianlux said:
    According to Wikipedia, "The bandname is a portmanteau of deceased Rolling Stones founder Brian Jones and the 1978 Jonestown Massacre."  That's going to make a fair an objective review of their work difficult for me.
    It's all about the music Brian!
    I guess I'm being a bit like Joy Division's Peter "Hooky" Hook when he was asked if he liked the Buzzcocks, "Their OK, but who would use the word  "cock" in their name"?  LOL.

    I was already so grown before it ever clicked for me that "buzzcock" was a name for a vibrator!! I was like "OMG!!! I've been singing along to their songs for decades!" :blush:

    LOL.  It's bad enough that there is a band called "Steely Dan". 
    Oh goodness grief, are you saying that's what a Steely Dan is too????  Seriously?

    Next thing you know you're going to tell me that "Beatles", "Pink Floyd", & "Led Zeppelin" are all words for vibrator too!

    Then after that that "Pearl Jam" is also somehow associated with... oh, wait...   :lol:
  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    In all seriousness though, as great as that Joy Division album is, that is one band name that is not a light, fun concept. Bad stuff right there with the origins of that term...
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    brianlux said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    brianlux said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Jimmy Hendrix Are You Experienced
    Black Sabbath First Album
    Joy Division Unknown Pleasures
    The Bad Brains Pay to Cum
    Van Halen I

    This one really stands out.  And now, having seen the film "Control", I'm practically obsessed with this band and Ian Curtis.  It's almost scary.

    Joy Division Unknown Pleasures 1989 Textured Sleeve CD - Discogs
    If you're really enjoying them why don't you try Brian Jonestown Massacre.  You'll like them too.
    I will check them out (and try not to let my dislike of the name get in the way!)
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I know most of you don't know this album, but for me, the east-meets-west music, the lyrics, groundbreaking for me:



    Same with this one!  I will try not to think of it as American politics!

    They considered changing their name I believe but decided against it. Band was before “the movement”
    that I hadn't heard, but I do know they were offered a HUGE sum of money to sell their band's website url. They ultimately decided against it, and they actually used to sell a poster "no politics, just rock and roll". 
    That is probably correct. Memory isn’t what it used to be 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    JH6056 said:
    brianlux said:
    JH6056 said:
    brianlux said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    brianlux said:
    According to Wikipedia, "The bandname is a portmanteau of deceased Rolling Stones founder Brian Jones and the 1978 Jonestown Massacre."  That's going to make a fair an objective review of their work difficult for me.
    It's all about the music Brian!
    I guess I'm being a bit like Joy Division's Peter "Hooky" Hook when he was asked if he liked the Buzzcocks, "Their OK, but who would use the word  "cock" in their name"?  LOL.

    I was already so grown before it ever clicked for me that "buzzcock" was a name for a vibrator!! I was like "OMG!!! I've been singing along to their songs for decades!" :blush:

    LOL.  It's bad enough that there is a band called "Steely Dan". 
    Oh goodness grief, are you saying that's what a Steely Dan is too????  Seriously?

    Next thing you know you're going to tell me that "Beatles", "Pink Floyd", & "Led Zeppelin" are all words for vibrator too!

    Then after that that "Pearl Jam" is also somehow associated with... oh, wait...   :lol:

    Well, um... yes on Steely Dan but, no, Beatles, Floyd, Zep, are all safe! 
    Well, but now that you mention it, I'm not sure what a "Pink Floyd" is.  Not sure I want to know!  :lol:

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    JH6056 said:
    In all seriousness though, as great as that Joy Division album is, that is one band name that is not a light, fun concept. Bad stuff right there with the origins of that term...

    So true.  As much as it has a nice ring to it, the source is nothing to take lightly.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Pap
    Pap Serres, Greece Posts: 29,947
    Bob Marley & The Wailers - Burnin' (1973) / In 2007 the album was added to the Library of Congress' National Recording Registry for its historical and cultural significance.

    This is as perplexing as it is jubilant - sometimes gripping, sometimes slippery. It's reggae, obviously, but it's not mainstream reggae, certainly not rock or soul, maybe some kind of futuristic slow funk, 'War' without the pseudo-jazz. What's inescapable is Bob Marley's ferocious gift for melodic propaganda. It's one thing to come up with four consecutive title hooks, another to make the titles 'Get Up Stand Up,' 'Hallelujah Time,' 'I Shot the Sheriff,' 'Burnin' and Lootin'. ~ Robert Christgau (Christgau's Record Guide: Rock Albums of the Seventies)
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  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    Pap said:
    Bob Marley & The Wailers - Burnin' (1973) / In 2007 the album was added to the Library of Congress' National Recording Registry for its historical and cultural significance.

    This is as perplexing as it is jubilant - sometimes gripping, sometimes slippery. It's reggae, obviously, but it's not mainstream reggae, certainly not rock or soul, maybe some kind of futuristic slow funk, 'War' without the pseudo-jazz. What's inescapable is Bob Marley's ferocious gift for melodic propaganda. It's one thing to come up with four consecutive title hooks, another to make the titles 'Get Up Stand Up,' 'Hallelujah Time,' 'I Shot the Sheriff,' 'Burnin' and Lootin'. ~ Robert Christgau (Christgau's Record Guide: Rock Albums of the Seventies)
    Another one I'm hanging my head in shame for having forgotten!
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    brianlux said:
    JH6056 said:
    brianlux said:
    JH6056 said:
    brianlux said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    brianlux said:
    According to Wikipedia, "The bandname is a portmanteau of deceased Rolling Stones founder Brian Jones and the 1978 Jonestown Massacre."  That's going to make a fair an objective review of their work difficult for me.
    It's all about the music Brian!
    I guess I'm being a bit like Joy Division's Peter "Hooky" Hook when he was asked if he liked the Buzzcocks, "Their OK, but who would use the word  "cock" in their name"?  LOL.

    I was already so grown before it ever clicked for me that "buzzcock" was a name for a vibrator!! I was like "OMG!!! I've been singing along to their songs for decades!" :blush:

    LOL.  It's bad enough that there is a band called "Steely Dan". 
    Oh goodness grief, are you saying that's what a Steely Dan is too????  Seriously?

    Next thing you know you're going to tell me that "Beatles", "Pink Floyd", & "Led Zeppelin" are all words for vibrator too!

    Then after that that "Pearl Jam" is also somehow associated with... oh, wait...   :lol:

    Well, um... yes on Steely Dan but, no, Beatles, Floyd, Zep, are all safe! 
    Well, but now that you mention it, I'm not sure what a "Pink Floyd" is.  Not sure I want to know!  :lol:

    Pink Floyd is actually two names of one of the band member's favourite writers put together. very safe. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    brianlux said:
    JH6056 said:
    In all seriousness though, as great as that Joy Division album is, that is one band name that is not a light, fun concept. Bad stuff right there with the origins of that term...

    So true.  As much as it has a nice ring to it, the source is nothing to take lightly.
    oh my god. I just looked it up. I had no idea. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    JH6056 said:
    In all seriousness though, as great as that Joy Division album is, that is one band name that is not a light, fun concept. Bad stuff right there with the origins of that term...

    So true.  As much as it has a nice ring to it, the source is nothing to take lightly.
    oh my god. I just looked it up. I had no idea. 

    I know!  I didn't know either until I saw the movie "Control".  They went from being Warsaw to Joy Division.  There was this whole fascination by much of the British post-punk and glam crowd with Germany at the time.  I'm not sure what that was all about.
    Come to think of it, the Ramones were fascinated by Germany as well, particularly Dee Dee with East Germany.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    JH6056 said:
    Pap said:
    Bob Marley & The Wailers - Burnin' (1973) / In 2007 the album was added to the Library of Congress' National Recording Registry for its historical and cultural significance.

    This is as perplexing as it is jubilant - sometimes gripping, sometimes slippery. It's reggae, obviously, but it's not mainstream reggae, certainly not rock or soul, maybe some kind of futuristic slow funk, 'War' without the pseudo-jazz. What's inescapable is Bob Marley's ferocious gift for melodic propaganda. It's one thing to come up with four consecutive title hooks, another to make the titles 'Get Up Stand Up,' 'Hallelujah Time,' 'I Shot the Sheriff,' 'Burnin' and Lootin'. ~ Robert Christgau (Christgau's Record Guide: Rock Albums of the Seventies)
    Another one I'm hanging my head in shame for having forgotten!
    There was plenty of reggae before them, Toot and the Maytals comes to mind, Jimmy Cliff is another.  That Wailers album is what brought reggae mainstream though.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    Hank Williams?

    He was Americas first "superstar".  Sure there was country before him but he put things in a frenzy.  I often wonder if the Soggy Bottom boys were to represent him in O brother where art though?
  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JH6056 said:
    Pap said:
    Bob Marley & The Wailers - Burnin' (1973) / In 2007 the album was added to the Library of Congress' National Recording Registry for its historical and cultural significance.

    This is as perplexing as it is jubilant - sometimes gripping, sometimes slippery. It's reggae, obviously, but it's not mainstream reggae, certainly not rock or soul, maybe some kind of futuristic slow funk, 'War' without the pseudo-jazz. What's inescapable is Bob Marley's ferocious gift for melodic propaganda. It's one thing to come up with four consecutive title hooks, another to make the titles 'Get Up Stand Up,' 'Hallelujah Time,' 'I Shot the Sheriff,' 'Burnin' and Lootin'. ~ Robert Christgau (Christgau's Record Guide: Rock Albums of the Seventies)
    Another one I'm hanging my head in shame for having forgotten!
    There was plenty of reggae before them, Toot and the Maytals comes to mind, Jimmy Cliff is another.  That Wailers album is what brought reggae mainstream though.
    Well, considering I'm half-Trinidadian and my husband is half-Jamaican and we're both huge reggae fans and his dad used to be a great dub & rocksteady DJ, I'd say yes, it is true that there was plenty of reggae before Bob & the Wailers.  But did you read why Pap picked THIS album? Do you disagree with why it was ahead of its time?

    I think "Ahead of it's time" is somewhat different than simply being "first" (although Toots was also a major innovator and being "first" is of course being a visionary).
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    JH6056 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JH6056 said:
    Pap said:
    Bob Marley & The Wailers - Burnin' (1973) / In 2007 the album was added to the Library of Congress' National Recording Registry for its historical and cultural significance.

    This is as perplexing as it is jubilant - sometimes gripping, sometimes slippery. It's reggae, obviously, but it's not mainstream reggae, certainly not rock or soul, maybe some kind of futuristic slow funk, 'War' without the pseudo-jazz. What's inescapable is Bob Marley's ferocious gift for melodic propaganda. It's one thing to come up with four consecutive title hooks, another to make the titles 'Get Up Stand Up,' 'Hallelujah Time,' 'I Shot the Sheriff,' 'Burnin' and Lootin'. ~ Robert Christgau (Christgau's Record Guide: Rock Albums of the Seventies)
    Another one I'm hanging my head in shame for having forgotten!
    There was plenty of reggae before them, Toot and the Maytals comes to mind, Jimmy Cliff is another.  That Wailers album is what brought reggae mainstream though.
    Well, considering I'm half-Trinidadian and my husband is half-Jamaican and we're both huge reggae fans and his dad used to be a great dub & rocksteady DJ, I'd say yes, it is true that there was plenty of reggae before Bob & the Wailers.  But did you read why Pap picked THIS album? Do you disagree with why it was ahead of its time?

    I think "Ahead of it's time" is somewhat different than simply being "first" (although Toots was also a major innovator and being "first" is of course being a visionary).

    How cool, JH! 
    I don't travel much these days but if I did, besides London and maybe parts of Ireland, Jamaica is one place I would really like to go see.  The music that came out of there is amazing.  I wish I had gotten the chance to see Bob Marley.  But I did get to see Black Uhuru with Sly and Robbie in the mid 80's.  Oh man! What a show!  It's like, no way could you sit still!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    JH6056 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JH6056 said:
    Pap said:
    Bob Marley & The Wailers - Burnin' (1973) / In 2007 the album was added to the Library of Congress' National Recording Registry for its historical and cultural significance.

    This is as perplexing as it is jubilant - sometimes gripping, sometimes slippery. It's reggae, obviously, but it's not mainstream reggae, certainly not rock or soul, maybe some kind of futuristic slow funk, 'War' without the pseudo-jazz. What's inescapable is Bob Marley's ferocious gift for melodic propaganda. It's one thing to come up with four consecutive title hooks, another to make the titles 'Get Up Stand Up,' 'Hallelujah Time,' 'I Shot the Sheriff,' 'Burnin' and Lootin'. ~ Robert Christgau (Christgau's Record Guide: Rock Albums of the Seventies)
    Another one I'm hanging my head in shame for having forgotten!
    There was plenty of reggae before them, Toot and the Maytals comes to mind, Jimmy Cliff is another.  That Wailers album is what brought reggae mainstream though.
    Well, considering I'm half-Trinidadian and my husband is half-Jamaican and we're both huge reggae fans and his dad used to be a great dub & rocksteady DJ, I'd say yes, it is true that there was plenty of reggae before Bob & the Wailers.  But did you read why Pap picked THIS album? Do you disagree with why it was ahead of its time?

    I think "Ahead of it's time" is somewhat different than simply being "first" (although Toots was also a major innovator and being "first" is of course being a visionary).
    Yes, ahead of it's time.  I get it.  I think that album came out at the right time.

    Toots and the Maytals need more love for what they did.  
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    I don’t understand how someone or some band has to be first in a genre for their album to be ahead of its time. Everyone is influenced by their environment and what they see and listen to. Ahead of its time, to me,
    indicates the album may have not been appreciated for its significance at the time. A seminal album. 

    Not necessarily groundbreaking, but definitely culturally relevant in hindsight. 

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