America's Gun Violence #2

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

he was on stage in vegas......

https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1681077697940733952?t=uFg1BpI6ZmqcU4KQiJBy4Q&s=19

You can be pro gun and still condemn the idiot that did the shooting.

But I don't know anymore.  Anyone can find a reason to be upset about everything today.

Gern Blansten

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/JamesTate121/status/1679460500424257537?t=w5YZ88D5P8vhQxfRbIw4Tw&s=19

truth

So if I show you a pic of me when I was 10 holding an AR-15 that was grooming?

Yes, See # 2

https://www.google.com/search?q=grooming+definition&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS927US927&oq=gr&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j46i131i199i433i465i512l3j0i67i650j46i131i199i433i465i512j0i433i512j46i131i175i199i433i512i664i665i670.1876j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

grooming

noun

1. 1.

   the practice of brushing and cleaning the coat of a horse, dog, or other animal.

   "regular grooming is essential to the well-being of your dog"
2. 2.

   the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity.

Edit: I should clarify... I would consider it grooming if adults were encouraging you in the activity. 

We went "shooting" as a family outing...  So I guess they were grooming me to participate in that?  Family gathering?

This just states that if you teach/train your kid to do anything it's grooming then.

Throw a baseball?  Grooming.

Change a tire?  Grooming.

 Follow traffic signals?  Grooming.

If Rittenhouse had thrown a baseball or tire at someone instead of shooting them with an assault rifle you might have something there.

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/JamesTate121/status/1679460500424257537?t=w5YZ88D5P8vhQxfRbIw4Tw&s=19

truth

So if I show you a pic of me when I was 10 holding an AR-15 that was grooming?

Yes, See # 2

https://www.google.com/search?q=grooming+definition&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS927US927&oq=gr&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j46i131i199i433i465i512l3j0i67i650j46i131i199i433i465i512j0i433i512j46i131i175i199i433i512i664i665i670.1876j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

grooming

noun

1. 1.

   the practice of brushing and cleaning the coat of a horse, dog, or other animal.

   "regular grooming is essential to the well-being of your dog"
2. 2.

   the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity.

Edit: I should clarify... I would consider it grooming if adults were encouraging you in the activity. 

We went "shooting" as a family outing...  So I guess they were grooming me to participate in that?  Family gathering?

This just states that if you teach/train your kid to do anything it's grooming then.

Throw a baseball?  Grooming.

Change a tire?  Grooming.

 Follow traffic signals?  Grooming.

If Rittenhouse had thrown a baseball or tire at someone instead of shooting them with an assault rifle you might have something there.

I'm using myself as an example that I was not groomed...  That isn't what my family did.

Every kid that gets taught to hunt can be used as an excuse that they were groomed is what I'm getting at.

Gern Blansten

There is clearly a difference between Rittenhouse's "grooming" and other scenarios. His mom was encouraging him to police the streets that night which I doubt most parents would do.

I don't think it's a bad idea to take kids to a gun range and learn how to shoot a handgun, etc., but the idea of a gathering where people are shooting assault weapons does bother me quite a bit. It encourages the mentality that you might need to use them at some point which is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

I do believe that can be done responsibly. I'm just talking about the big picture. The people that I've met that do that seem to believe they will need to arm up and fight off tyranny at some point.

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/JamesTate121/status/1679460500424257537?t=w5YZ88D5P8vhQxfRbIw4Tw&s=19

truth

So if I show you a pic of me when I was 10 holding an AR-15 that was grooming?

Yes, See # 2

https://www.google.com/search?q=grooming+definition&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS927US927&oq=gr&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j46i131i199i433i465i512l3j0i67i650j46i131i199i433i465i512j0i433i512j46i131i175i199i433i512i664i665i670.1876j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

grooming

noun

1. 1.

   the practice of brushing and cleaning the coat of a horse, dog, or other animal.

   "regular grooming is essential to the well-being of your dog"
2. 2.

   the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity.

Edit: I should clarify... I would consider it grooming if adults were encouraging you in the activity. 

We went "shooting" as a family outing...  So I guess they were grooming me to participate in that?  Family gathering?

This just states that if you teach/train your kid to do anything it's grooming then.

Throw a baseball?  Grooming.

Change a tire?  Grooming.

 Follow traffic signals?  Grooming.

It's literally the text book definition of grooming: training someone for a particular purpose or activity. 

& yeah... if someone trains their kid to be a pitcher, they are literally grooming that child to be a pitcher. That's what the term means. 

It didn't have this negative connotation before the GOP used it to vilify the LGBTQ community.

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/JamesTate121/status/1679460500424257537?t=w5YZ88D5P8vhQxfRbIw4Tw&s=19

truth

So if I show you a pic of me when I was 10 holding an AR-15 that was grooming?

Yes, See # 2

https://www.google.com/search?q=grooming+definition&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS927US927&oq=gr&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j46i131i199i433i465i512l3j0i67i650j46i131i199i433i465i512j0i433i512j46i131i175i199i433i512i664i665i670.1876j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

grooming

noun

1. 1.

   the practice of brushing and cleaning the coat of a horse, dog, or other animal.

   "regular grooming is essential to the well-being of your dog"
2. 2.

   the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity.

Edit: I should clarify... I would consider it grooming if adults were encouraging you in the activity. 

We went "shooting" as a family outing...  So I guess they were grooming me to participate in that?  Family gathering?

This just states that if you teach/train your kid to do anything it's grooming then.

Throw a baseball?  Grooming.

Change a tire?  Grooming.

 Follow traffic signals?  Grooming.

It's literally the text book definition of grooming: training someone for a particular purpose or activity. 

& yeah... if someone trains their kid to be a pitcher, they are literally grooming that child to be a pitcher. That's what the term means. 

It didn't have this negative connotation before the GOP used it to vilify the LGBTQ community.

It's ridiculous and I'm offended.

Teaching is grooming now.? We need to change that way of thinking.  Grooming is predatory.

Gern Blansten

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/JamesTate121/status/1679460500424257537?t=w5YZ88D5P8vhQxfRbIw4Tw&s=19

truth

So if I show you a pic of me when I was 10 holding an AR-15 that was grooming?

Yes, See # 2

https://www.google.com/search?q=grooming+definition&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS927US927&oq=gr&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j46i131i199i433i465i512l3j0i67i650j46i131i199i433i465i512j0i433i512j46i131i175i199i433i512i664i665i670.1876j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

grooming

noun

1. 1.

   the practice of brushing and cleaning the coat of a horse, dog, or other animal.

   "regular grooming is essential to the well-being of your dog"
2. 2.

   the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity.

Edit: I should clarify... I would consider it grooming if adults were encouraging you in the activity. 

We went "shooting" as a family outing...  So I guess they were grooming me to participate in that?  Family gathering?

This just states that if you teach/train your kid to do anything it's grooming then.

Throw a baseball?  Grooming.

Change a tire?  Grooming.

 Follow traffic signals?  Grooming.

If Rittenhouse had thrown a baseball or tire at someone instead of shooting them with an assault rifle you might have something there.

I'm using myself as an example that I was not groomed...  That isn't what my family did.

Every kid that gets taught to hunt can be used as an excuse that they were groomed is what I'm getting at.

But hunting is miles apart from feeling like you need to carry an assault weapon around for self defense

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/JamesTate121/status/1679460500424257537?t=w5YZ88D5P8vhQxfRbIw4Tw&s=19

truth

So if I show you a pic of me when I was 10 holding an AR-15 that was grooming?

Yes, See # 2

https://www.google.com/search?q=grooming+definition&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS927US927&oq=gr&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j46i131i199i433i465i512l3j0i67i650j46i131i199i433i465i512j0i433i512j46i131i175i199i433i512i664i665i670.1876j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

grooming

noun

1. 1.

   the practice of brushing and cleaning the coat of a horse, dog, or other animal.

   "regular grooming is essential to the well-being of your dog"
2. 2.

   the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity.

Edit: I should clarify... I would consider it grooming if adults were encouraging you in the activity. 

We went "shooting" as a family outing...  So I guess they were grooming me to participate in that?  Family gathering?

This just states that if you teach/train your kid to do anything it's grooming then.

Throw a baseball?  Grooming.

Change a tire?  Grooming.

 Follow traffic signals?  Grooming.

It's literally the text book definition of grooming: training someone for a particular purpose or activity. 

& yeah... if someone trains their kid to be a pitcher, they are literally grooming that child to be a pitcher. That's what the term means. 

It didn't have this negative connotation before the GOP used it to vilify the LGBTQ community.

It's ridiculous and I'm offended.

Teaching is grooming now.? We need to change that way of thinking.  Grooming is predatory.

It has a non-predatory definition. This isn't debatable. See the 3rd example from Merriam Webster: 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/groom

groom

2 of 2

verb

groomed; grooming; grooms

transitive verb

1

: to clean and maintain the appearance of (an animal)

especially : to maintain the health and condition of the coat of (a horse, dog, etc.) by brushing, combing, currying, or similar attention

2

: to make neat or attractivean impeccably groomed woman

3

: to get into readiness for a specific objective : PREPAREwas being groomed as a presidential candidate

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

There is clearly a difference between Rittenhouse's "grooming" and other scenarios. His mom was encouraging him to police the streets that night which I doubt most parents would do.

I don't think it's a bad idea to take kids to a gun range and learn how to shoot a handgun, etc., but the idea of a gathering where people are shooting assault weapons does bother me quite a bit. It encourages the mentality that you might need to use them at some point which is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

I do believe that can be done responsibly. I'm just talking about the big picture. The people that I've met that do that seem to believe they will need to arm up and fight off tyranny at some point.

It was cool.  That's why we took the picture.

We shot guns because it was fun and we made targets and competed against each other.

None of us believe we are going to fight tyranny, lol.  I know they are out there though. I keep forgetting that we have crazies and not take it personally.

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/JamesTate121/status/1679460500424257537?t=w5YZ88D5P8vhQxfRbIw4Tw&s=19

truth

So if I show you a pic of me when I was 10 holding an AR-15 that was grooming?

Yes, See # 2

https://www.google.com/search?q=grooming+definition&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS927US927&oq=gr&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j46i131i199i433i465i512l3j0i67i650j46i131i199i433i465i512j0i433i512j46i131i175i199i433i512i664i665i670.1876j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

grooming

noun

1. 1.

   the practice of brushing and cleaning the coat of a horse, dog, or other animal.

   "regular grooming is essential to the well-being of your dog"
2. 2.

   the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity.

Edit: I should clarify... I would consider it grooming if adults were encouraging you in the activity. 

We went "shooting" as a family outing...  So I guess they were grooming me to participate in that?  Family gathering?

This just states that if you teach/train your kid to do anything it's grooming then.

Throw a baseball?  Grooming.

Change a tire?  Grooming.

 Follow traffic signals?  Grooming.

It's literally the text book definition of grooming: training someone for a particular purpose or activity. 

& yeah... if someone trains their kid to be a pitcher, they are literally grooming that child to be a pitcher. That's what the term means. 

It didn't have this negative connotation before the GOP used it to vilify the LGBTQ community.

It's ridiculous and I'm offended.

Teaching is grooming now.? We need to change that way of thinking.  Grooming is predatory.

It has a non-predatory definition. This isn't debatable. See the 3rd example from Merriam Webster: 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/groom

groom

2 of 2

verb

groomed; grooming; grooms

transitive verb

1

: to clean and maintain the appearance of (an animal)

especially : to maintain the health and condition of the coat of (a horse, dog, etc.) by brushing, combing, currying, or similar attention

2

: to make neat or attractive

an impeccably groomed woman

3

: to get into readiness for a specific objective : PREPARE

was being groomed as a presidential candidate

You're being too webster and literal here.

When someone says "they were grooming them" it has a negative meaning or undertone.  We had a whole thread dedicated to the act of grooming and they were pretty much all predators.

It means something but using it in context can have a completely negative meaning.

My family "taught" me.

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/JamesTate121/status/1679460500424257537?t=w5YZ88D5P8vhQxfRbIw4Tw&s=19

truth

So if I show you a pic of me when I was 10 holding an AR-15 that was grooming?

Yes, See # 2

https://www.google.com/search?q=grooming+definition&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS927US927&oq=gr&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j46i131i199i433i465i512l3j0i67i650j46i131i199i433i465i512j0i433i512j46i131i175i199i433i512i664i665i670.1876j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

grooming

noun

1. 1.

   the practice of brushing and cleaning the coat of a horse, dog, or other animal.

   "regular grooming is essential to the well-being of your dog"
2. 2.

   the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity.

Edit: I should clarify... I would consider it grooming if adults were encouraging you in the activity. 

We went "shooting" as a family outing...  So I guess they were grooming me to participate in that?  Family gathering?

This just states that if you teach/train your kid to do anything it's grooming then.

Throw a baseball?  Grooming.

Change a tire?  Grooming.

 Follow traffic signals?  Grooming.

It's literally the text book definition of grooming: training someone for a particular purpose or activity. 

& yeah... if someone trains their kid to be a pitcher, they are literally grooming that child to be a pitcher. That's what the term means. 

It didn't have this negative connotation before the GOP used it to vilify the LGBTQ community.

It's ridiculous and I'm offended.

Teaching is grooming now.? We need to change that way of thinking.  Grooming is predatory.

It has a non-predatory definition. This isn't debatable. See the 3rd example from Merriam Webster: 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/groom

groom

2 of 2

verb

groomed; grooming; grooms

transitive verb

1

: to clean and maintain the appearance of (an animal)

especially : to maintain the health and condition of the coat of (a horse, dog, etc.) by brushing, combing, currying, or similar attention

2

: to make neat or attractive

an impeccably groomed woman

3

: to get into readiness for a specific objective : PREPARE

was being groomed as a presidential candidate

You're being too webster and literal here.

When someone says "they were grooming them" it has a negative meaning or undertone.  We had a whole thread dedicated to the act of grooming and they were pretty much all predators.

It means something but using it in context can have a completely negative meaning.

My family "taught" me.

My parents groomed to be a Catholic, People are groomed for certain jobs,. It is what it is. 

It's like the term woke - it's been bastardized by bad faith actors to suggest a negative connotation, whereas the literal definition of it is in no way shape or form, a negative. 

mace1229

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Gern Blansten said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/JamesTate121/status/1679460500424257537?t=w5YZ88D5P8vhQxfRbIw4Tw&s=19

truth

So if I show you a pic of me when I was 10 holding an AR-15 that was grooming?

Yes, See # 2

https://www.google.com/search?q=grooming+definition&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS927US927&oq=gr&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j69i57j46i131i199i433i465i512l3j0i67i650j46i131i199i433i465i512j0i433i512j46i131i175i199i433i512i664i665i670.1876j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

grooming

noun

1. 1.

   the practice of brushing and cleaning the coat of a horse, dog, or other animal.

   "regular grooming is essential to the well-being of your dog"
2. 2.

   the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity.

Edit: I should clarify... I would consider it grooming if adults were encouraging you in the activity. 

We went "shooting" as a family outing...  So I guess they were grooming me to participate in that?  Family gathering?

This just states that if you teach/train your kid to do anything it's grooming then.

Throw a baseball?  Grooming.

Change a tire?  Grooming.

 Follow traffic signals?  Grooming.

It's literally the text book definition of grooming: training someone for a particular purpose or activity. 

& yeah... if someone trains their kid to be a pitcher, they are literally grooming that child to be a pitcher. That's what the term means. 

It didn't have this negative connotation before the GOP used it to vilify the LGBTQ community.

It's ridiculous and I'm offended.

Teaching is grooming now.? We need to change that way of thinking.  Grooming is predatory.

It has a non-predatory definition. This isn't debatable. See the 3rd example from Merriam Webster: 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/groom

groom

2 of 2

verb

groomed; grooming; grooms

transitive verb

1

: to clean and maintain the appearance of (an animal)

especially : to maintain the health and condition of the coat of (a horse, dog, etc.) by brushing, combing, currying, or similar attention

2

: to make neat or attractive

an impeccably groomed woman

3

: to get into readiness for a specific objective : PREPARE

was being groomed as a presidential candidate

You're being too webster and literal here.

When someone says "they were grooming them" it has a negative meaning or undertone.  We had a whole thread dedicated to the act of grooming and they were pretty much all predators.

It means something but using it in context can have a completely negative meaning.

My family "taught" me.

I agree it has a negative undertone, but it’s not always predatory. The Kennedy’s groomed their kids to be politicians. They weren’t preying on them.

If someone says a family is grooming their kids with guns, I would assume it goes beyond gun safety and normal gun use. I would assume they are teaching them to always carry, always be afraid the government is taking them away, probably have a stockpile of weapons, etc.

mace1229

Merkin Baller said:

Ignorance is bliss. 

What is ignorant? Not knowing what happened in a small building in a small town you’ve never been to 100 years ago? 

I have no opinion about Aldean or his music because I know nothing about either (other than I don’t care for it), but being upset over the location of the video because of something that appended 100 years ago seems like people just want to be upset.

Merkin Baller

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ignorance is bliss. 

What is ignorant? Not knowing what happened in a small building in a small town you’ve never been to 100 years ago? 

I have no opinion about Aldean or his music because I know nothing about either (other than I don’t care for it), but being upset over the location of the video because of something that appended 100 years ago seems like people just want to be upset.

Did you read up on this before taking your stance? 

Specifically the lyrics to the song, and the story of the lynching at that location? if you did, and you still dismiss this as "people just want to be upset", then yeah... I would say that's ignorance. 

tempo_n_groove

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ignorance is bliss. 

What is ignorant? Not knowing what happened in a small building in a small town you’ve never been to 100 years ago? 

I have no opinion about Aldean or his music because I know nothing about either (other than I don’t care for it), but being upset over the location of the video because of something that appended 100 years ago seems like people just want to be upset.

Glenn Beck was given shit about reserving a day on the National Mall.  He chose to have a rally on a day that MLK Jr made a speech.   
Well that one put everyone in a bit of a tissy.

tempo_n_groove

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ignorance is bliss. 

What is ignorant? Not knowing what happened in a small building in a small town you’ve never been to 100 years ago? 

I have no opinion about Aldean or his music because I know nothing about either (other than I don’t care for it), but being upset over the location of the video because of something that appended 100 years ago seems like people just want to be upset.

Did you read up on this before taking your stance? 

Specifically the lyrics to the song, and the story of the lynching at that location? if you did, and you still dismiss this as "people just want to be upset", then yeah... I would say that's ignorance. 

I read the lyrics, nothing crazy in there.  People that disagree w his beliefs will surely have a problem with it, that's what people do now.

Halifax2TheMax

Just another dog whistle, like Ronny Rayguns’ campaign announcement. Nothing new.

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

Just another dog whistle, like Ronny Rayguns’ campaign announcement. Nothing new.

I've never read he was a racist ever.

He did a collab w Ludacris.  I guess that was a front then judging by this song?

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ignorance is bliss. 

What is ignorant? Not knowing what happened in a small building in a small town you’ve never been to 100 years ago? 

I have no opinion about Aldean or his music because I know nothing about either (other than I don’t care for it), but being upset over the location of the video because of something that appended 100 years ago seems like people just want to be upset.

Did you read up on this before taking your stance? 

Specifically the lyrics to the song, and the story of the lynching at that location? if you did, and you still dismiss this as "people just want to be upset", then yeah... I would say that's ignorance. 

I read the lyrics, nothing crazy in there.  People that disagree w his beliefs will surely have a problem with it, that's what people do now.

I don't know Aldean's beliefs, nor do I claim to. 

If I had to guess, he was probably unaware of the significance of the location of the video shoot*. I know I was. Having said that, once I heard about the controversy I read up on it, and yeah... after doing so, I understand the reaction. 

josevolution

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ignorance is bliss. 

What is ignorant? Not knowing what happened in a small building in a small town you’ve never been to 100 years ago? 

I have no opinion about Aldean or his music because I know nothing about either (other than I don’t care for it), but being upset over the location of the video because of something that appended 100 years ago seems like people just want to be upset.

Did you read up on this before taking your stance? 

Specifically the lyrics to the song, and the story of the lynching at that location? if you did, and you still dismiss this as "people just want to be upset", then yeah... I would say that's ignorance. 

Ok didn’t know a thing about the location & artist and when I read about and the lyrics I find it disgusting that it was done there and what the song is about!