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mcdevittpbmcdevittpb Posts: 249
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If you notice, they’re using backing tracks now. Not 100% live. Notice Ed’s vocals. At the end of DOTC... vocals coming out, Ed away from the microphone!... On Quick Escape, backing vocals, no one on the mic!! Disappointing, IMHO. 

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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 28,475
    edited September 2021
    mcdevittpb said:
    If you notice, they’re using backing tracks now. Not 100% live. Notice Ed’s vocals. At the end of DOTC... vocals coming out, Ed away from the microphone!... On Quick Escape, backing vocals, no one on the mic!! Disappointing, IMHO. 

    He is singing. He's using a loop. Josh Klinghoffer is doing backup vocals during that as well. That would be hard to do live unless they had backup singers 
    Post edited by igotid88 on
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  • nalyd61nalyd61 Boston Posts: 732
    Using a vocal loop. 
  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,451
    igotid88 said:
    mcdevittpb said:
    If you notice, they’re using backing tracks now. Not 100% live. Notice Ed’s vocals. At the end of DOTC... vocals coming out, Ed away from the microphone!... On Quick Escape, backing vocals, no one on the mic!! Disappointing, IMHO. 

    He is singing. He's using a loop. Josh Klinghoffer is doing backup vocals during that as well. That would be hard to do live unless they had backup singers 
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  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,398
    Just like Arc. Unless that disappointed you as well.
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 28,475
    OceansJenny said:
    Just like Arc. Unless that disappointed you as well.
    He obviously never saw KT Tunstall do Black Horse and the Cherry Tree
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,396
    edited September 2021
    THIS IS PAUL STANLEY ON THE KISS END OF THE ROAD TOUR ALL OVER AGAIN.

    JUST LET GENE HAVE SOME MORE SONGS IN THE SETLIST INSTEAD OF HOGGING UP THE MIC AND LIPSYNCING TO LOVE GUN

    AAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


    M. Ward used loops pretty damn cool when I saw him a million years ago

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  • Weston1283Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 4,994
    Who cares.  It’s not like he’s dancing on stage to a backing vocals track lip syncing

    If some backing track here and there is going to help the live experience then so be it.  How else do you expect Eddie to be able to sing many difficult PJ songs for the next 20 years
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  • JM144705JM144705 Philadelphia Posts: 452
    Is this a real post?!? Wow. 🤦‍♂️
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,396
    I am all for getting experimental with loops, and Arc-like vocal things and whatnot, 

    But these kind pf posts scare me:

    Weston1283 said:
    Who cares.  It’s not like he’s dancing on stage to a backing vocals track lip syncing

    If some backing track here and there is going to help the live experience then so be it.  How else do you expect Eddie to be able to sing many difficult PJ songs for the next 20 years

    We are moving the goalposts down a scary, scary road now Jamily.

    It doesn't get Eddie Scarier than this. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,402
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I am all for getting experimental with loops, and Arc-like vocal things and whatnot, 

    But these kind pf posts scare me:

    Weston1283 said:
    Who cares.  It’s not like he’s dancing on stage to a backing vocals track lip syncing

    If some backing track here and there is going to help the live experience then so be it.  How else do you expect Eddie to be able to sing many difficult PJ songs for the next 20 years

    We are moving the goalposts down a scary, scary road now Jamily.

    It doesn't get Eddie Scarier than this. 
    a post on a message board scares you?
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    In my absence, please refer to the following for any reasoned debate on any given matter (please note this list is not exhaustive):

    @mrussel1 , @Go Beavers , @tbergs, @mickeyrat, @brianlux, @PJ_Soul, @The Juggler, @Gern Blansten




  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,078
    It’s a looper.  You ever heard Ed do hard sun live?
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  • mcdevittpbmcdevittpb Posts: 249
    Weston1283 said:
    Who cares.  It’s not like he’s dancing on stage to a backing vocals track lip syncing

    If some backing track here and there is going to help the live experience then so be it.  How else do you expect Eddie to be able to sing many difficult PJ songs for the next 20 years
    How is using any type of pre recorded backing track, not performed live, helping a “live experience”? In what way?
  • foriginalsinforiginalsin Posts: 713
    I was there, ed’s vocals were great. Its ok, some people don't understand the nature of harmonies and backing vocals.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,402
    my buddy is a musician and he does this thing where he plays all the guitar parts and a drum part and 3 part harmonies, all in succession, until he gets them all in the loop to play the main song. it's pretty cool. it's not "using backing tracks", it's using your live tracks on a loop. 
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall after a very restful summer exploring the Great Canadian Wilderness and beaches, listening to Pearl Jam, Headstones, Watchmen, Queens of the Stone Age, and many others. 

    In my absence, please refer to the following for any reasoned debate on any given matter (please note this list is not exhaustive):

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,078
    mcdevittpb said:
    Weston1283 said:
    Who cares.  It’s not like he’s dancing on stage to a backing vocals track lip syncing

    If some backing track here and there is going to help the live experience then so be it.  How else do you expect Eddie to be able to sing many difficult PJ songs for the next 20 years
    How is using any type of pre recorded backing track, not performed live, helping a “live experience”? In what way?
    It s not a pre recording track, it s a loop.  However pre recorded tracks have been used for years by Pearl Jam.  Hard sun and severed hand are two examples. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,216
    edited September 2021
    I left after DOTC.  Very disappointed in the pre-recorded vocals. A travesty of epic proportions or so I thought at the time.  If not for the fence I would have walked straight into the ocean.   Now I realize I was wrong.  Oops.  
  • tschavtschav Posts: 2,894
    #gutted
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,078
    Show me you know nothing about making music without telling me.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,402
    bootlegger10 said:
    I left after DOTC.  Very disappointed in the pre-recorded vocals. A travesty of epic proportions or so I thought at the time.  If not for the fence I would have walked straight into the ocean.   Now I realize I was wrong.  Oops.  
    LOL #takethelongway
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall after a very restful summer exploring the Great Canadian Wilderness and beaches, listening to Pearl Jam, Headstones, Watchmen, Queens of the Stone Age, and many others. 

    In my absence, please refer to the following for any reasoned debate on any given matter (please note this list is not exhaustive):

    @mrussel1 , @Go Beavers , @tbergs, @mickeyrat, @brianlux, @PJ_Soul, @The Juggler, @Gern Blansten




  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    mcdevittpb said:
    If you notice, they’re using backing tracks now. Not 100% live. Notice Ed’s vocals. At the end of DOTC... vocals coming out, Ed away from the microphone!... On Quick Escape, backing vocals, no one on the mic!! Disappointing, IMHO. 

    A loop pedal is no different than any other guitar pedal.  I’m not sure that’s the answer you’re looking for tho.  
  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,398
    edited September 2021
    bootlegger10 said:
    I left after DOTC.  Very disappointed in the pre-recorded vocals. A travesty of epic proportions or so I thought at the time.  If not for the fence I would have walked straight into the ocean.   Now I realize I was wrong.  Oops.  
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  • PureandEasyPureandEasy Posts: 5,818
    bootlegger10 said:
    I left after DOTC.  Very disappointed in the pre-recorded vocals. A travesty of epic proportions or so I thought at the time.  If not for the fence I would have walked straight into the ocean.   Now I realize I was wrong.  Oops.  
    Jesus, you all take this so seriously and to heart, it's a God damn concert with a band you enjoy.  Some shows (particularly outside events) may require more producing.  You left after the first song, after all that money you paid?  I live in NJ and don't like festival shows, so I sat this one out.  Wow, just wow.  
    Don't come closer or I'll have to go
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,078
    PureandEasy said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I left after DOTC.  Very disappointed in the pre-recorded vocals. A travesty of epic proportions or so I thought at the time.  If not for the fence I would have walked straight into the ocean.   Now I realize I was wrong.  Oops.  
    Jesus, you all take this so seriously and to heart, it's a God damn concert with a band you enjoy.  Some shows (particularly outside events) may require more producing.  You left after the first song, after all that money you paid?  I live in NJ and don't like festival shows, so I sat this one out.  Wow, just wow.  
    Bootlegger typed that with pure sarcasm.  I know that because he was crying his eyes out when wishlist was played.  Case in point, he didn’t leave. It was a joke. ;)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,216
    PureandEasy said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I left after DOTC.  Very disappointed in the pre-recorded vocals. A travesty of epic proportions or so I thought at the time.  If not for the fence I would have walked straight into the ocean.   Now I realize I was wrong.  Oops.  
    Jesus, you all take this so seriously and to heart, it's a God damn concert with a band you enjoy.  Some shows (particularly outside events) may require more producing.  You left after the first song, after all that money you paid?  I live in NJ and don't like festival shows, so I sat this one out.  Wow, just wow.  
    “Wow, just wow.”  Those are the exact words I said to the person next to me who was ignorantly enjoying those vocals coming from a machine.  I wondered to myself how much better life might be if I could just set aside such injustices.  I paid for a ticket after all.  

    But turns out it was a looper.  You win some, you lose some.
  • LoujoeLoujoe Posts: 11,448
    edited September 2021
    bootlegger10 said:
    I left after DOTC.  Very disappointed in the pre-recorded vocals. A travesty of epic proportions or so I thought at the time.  If not for the fence I would have walked straight into the ocean.   Now I realize I was wrong.  Oops.  
    You forgot sarcasm font. Ed Matt Mike Stone Jeff Boom would have sent Josh to save you from the icy Atlantic.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,216
    mcgruff10 said:
    PureandEasy said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I left after DOTC.  Very disappointed in the pre-recorded vocals. A travesty of epic proportions or so I thought at the time.  If not for the fence I would have walked straight into the ocean.   Now I realize I was wrong.  Oops.  
    Jesus, you all take this so seriously and to heart, it's a God damn concert with a band you enjoy.  Some shows (particularly outside events) may require more producing.  You left after the first song, after all that money you paid?  I live in NJ and don't like festival shows, so I sat this one out.  Wow, just wow.  
    Bootlegger typed that with pure sarcasm.  I know that because he was crying his eyes out when wishlist was played.  Case in point, he didn’t leave. It was a joke. ;)
    Wishlist was awesome.  The tag was beautiful. Perfect night and location for that tune.   

    I loved Norm’s humor.  Would say he was my favorite comedian.  
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,216
    Loujoe said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I left after DOTC.  Very disappointed in the pre-recorded vocals. A travesty of epic proportions or so I thought at the time.  If not for the fence I would have walked straight into the ocean.   Now I realize I was wrong.  Oops.  
    You forgot sarcasm font. Ed Matt Mike Stone Jeff Boom would have sent Josh to save you from the icy Atlantic.
    Ha.  Was hoping the ocean comment would make sure people knew it was a joke.  
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,396
    edited September 2021
    bootlegger10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PureandEasy said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I left after DOTC.  Very disappointed in the pre-recorded vocals. A travesty of epic proportions or so I thought at the time.  If not for the fence I would have walked straight into the ocean.   Now I realize I was wrong.  Oops.  
    Jesus, you all take this so seriously and to heart, it's a God damn concert with a band you enjoy.  Some shows (particularly outside events) may require more producing.  You left after the first song, after all that money you paid?  I live in NJ and don't like festival shows, so I sat this one out.  Wow, just wow.  
    Bootlegger typed that with pure sarcasm.  I know that because he was crying his eyes out when wishlist was played.  Case in point, he didn’t leave. It was a joke. ;)
    Wishlist was awesome.  The tag was beautiful. Perfect night and location for that tune.   

    I loved Norm’s humor.  Would say he was my favorite comedian.  
    Conan pointed out that Norm and Bob Dylan says "TV" the same way -- "the teVeeee"
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,396
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I am all for getting experimental with loops, and Arc-like vocal things and whatnot, 

    But these kind pf posts scare me:

    Weston1283 said:
    Who cares.  It’s not like he’s dancing on stage to a backing vocals track lip syncing

    If some backing track here and there is going to help the live experience then so be it.  How else do you expect Eddie to be able to sing many difficult PJ songs for the next 20 years

    We are moving the goalposts down a scary, scary road now Jamily.

    It doesn't get Eddie Scarier than this. 
    a post on a message board scares you?
    The worry shouldn't be whether a post like that scares me. But rather - why it doesn't scare you.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,402
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I am all for getting experimental with loops, and Arc-like vocal things and whatnot, 

    But these kind pf posts scare me:

    Weston1283 said:
    Who cares.  It’s not like he’s dancing on stage to a backing vocals track lip syncing

    If some backing track here and there is going to help the live experience then so be it.  How else do you expect Eddie to be able to sing many difficult PJ songs for the next 20 years

    We are moving the goalposts down a scary, scary road now Jamily.

    It doesn't get Eddie Scarier than this. 
    a post on a message board scares you?
    The worry shouldn't be whether a post like that scares me. But rather - why it doesn't scare you.
    good lord.  
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall after a very restful summer exploring the Great Canadian Wilderness and beaches, listening to Pearl Jam, Headstones, Watchmen, Queens of the Stone Age, and many others. 

    In my absence, please refer to the following for any reasoned debate on any given matter (please note this list is not exhaustive):

    @mrussel1 , @Go Beavers , @tbergs, @mickeyrat, @brianlux, @PJ_Soul, @The Juggler, @Gern Blansten




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