New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo sexually harassed multiple women, state attorney general report says

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    brianlux said:
    hedonist said:
    brianlux said:
    Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

    “In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

    It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

    :hug: 

    I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

    If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

    I totally agree.
    Gern Blansten said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

    “In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

    It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

    :hug: 

    I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

    rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

    If that really happened, I agree.
    Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

    I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?
    we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

    -credibility
    -motivation
    -pattern

    Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

    The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Gern Blansten said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

    “In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

    It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

    :hug: 

    I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

    rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

    If that really happened, I agree.
    Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  
    same woman. his executive assistant Brittany Commisso. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

    “In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

    It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

    :hug: 

    I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

    rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

    If that really happened, I agree.
    Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  
    same woman. his executive assistant Brittany Commisso. 
    Double dipped.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    brianlux said:
    Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

    “In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

    It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

    :hug: 

    I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

    Guys who use this excuse (Cuomo) don’t  realize that the line was never where they thought it was. They assumed they had the right to touch and comment and pressure, and act surprised and outraged that “lines have been redrawn” when they actually need to wake up to the fact that their  behaviour wasn’t ever acceptable to women. 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,430
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    funny. the times a place of business had sexual harrassment training I was in attendence,  never once do I recall them saying the doer is the one who gets to determine if their behavior was harrassment or not. Its always the reciever or even a 3rd party witness who determines offensiveness.....


    and umm, 2 week notice is not required. pack your shit and go. better yet, we got people for the packing. just go.
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  • josevolution
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    Yep just go now! 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    mickeyrat said:
    funny. the times a place of business had sexual harrassment training I was in attendence,  never once do I recall them saying the doer is the one who gets to determine if their behavior was harrassment or not. Its always the reciever or even a 3rd party witness who determines offensiveness.....


    and umm, 2 week notice is not required. pack your shit and go. better yet, we got people for the packing. just go.
    For our training years ago I was surprised at what was considered harassment.  I talked to my sister about it and she said "oh that's timid.  You should hear the things I went through."

    What is that saying?  You know better then you do better?  Absolutely.  I haven't whistled at a girl in 25 years.  I'm not proud that i did now either.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    has anyone seen a comedian named Kyle Dunnigan and his impressions of Biden and Cuomo on instagram? they're fuckin' funny as hell
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    mickeyrat said:
    funny. the times a place of business had sexual harrassment training I was in attendence,  never once do I recall them saying the doer is the one who gets to determine if their behavior was harrassment or not. Its always the reciever or even a 3rd party witness who determines offensiveness.....


    and umm, 2 week notice is not required. pack your shit and go. better yet, we got people for the packing. just go.
    After the Anita Hill hearings, the men in our office were told they couldn’t compliment a woman’s outfit, or say they looked nice that day. I thought that was taking it way too far (especially given the men I was lucky enough to work with).

    I’m fortunate that my exposure to sexual harassment in the workplace has been more limited than others. 

    Now, in my personal life….
  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

    “In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

    It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

    :hug: 

    I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

    rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 
    You’re in good form today!  This and the Trudeau ass tattoo remark made me laugh out loud!  Haven’t laughed for a few days. 
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  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,324
    We have annual sexual harassment training at work, anyone with a modicum of sense knows what is appropriate and what is not. He is just another typical powerful man who feels like he can get away with anything he wants.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    JeBurkhardt said:
    We have annual sexual harassment training at work, anyone with a modicum of sense knows what is appropriate and what is not. He is just another typical powerful man who feels like he can get away with anything he wants.
    The irony of it all is he signed in to law some of the strictest guidelines towards sexual harassment in and out of the workplace.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,430
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    We have annual sexual harassment training at work, anyone with a modicum of sense knows what is appropriate and what is not. He is just another typical powerful man who feels like he can get away with anything he wants.
    The irony of it all is he signed in to law some of the strictest guidelines towards sexual harassment in and out of the workplace.

    and did he go through the required training?
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  • JeBurkhardt
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    We have annual sexual harassment training at work, anyone with a modicum of sense knows what is appropriate and what is not. He is just another typical powerful man who feels like he can get away with anything he wants.
    The irony of it all is he signed in to law some of the strictest guidelines towards sexual harassment in and out of the workplace.
    "Don't do as I do, do as I say" 
  • JeBurkhardt
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    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    We have annual sexual harassment training at work, anyone with a modicum of sense knows what is appropriate and what is not. He is just another typical powerful man who feels like he can get away with anything he wants.
    The irony of it all is he signed in to law some of the strictest guidelines towards sexual harassment in and out of the workplace.

    and did he go through the required training?
    It was Mel Brooks who said "It's good to be the king".
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    We have annual sexual harassment training at work, anyone with a modicum of sense knows what is appropriate and what is not. He is just another typical powerful man who feels like he can get away with anything he wants.
    The irony of it all is he signed in to law some of the strictest guidelines towards sexual harassment in and out of the workplace.

    and did he go through the required training?
    HA!  I thought that immediately too!
  • F Me In The Brain
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    JeBurkhardt said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    We have annual sexual harassment training at work, anyone with a modicum of sense knows what is appropriate and what is not. He is just another typical powerful man who feels like he can get away with anything he wants.
    The irony of it all is he signed in to law some of the strictest guidelines towards sexual harassment in and out of the workplace.

    and did he go through the required training?
    It was Mel Brooks who said "It's good to be the king".

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  • PJPOWER
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    hedonist said:
    brianlux said:
    Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

    “In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

    It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

    :hug: 

    I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

    If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

    I totally agree.
    Gern Blansten said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

    “In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

    It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

    :hug: 

    I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

    rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

    If that really happened, I agree.
    Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

    I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?
    we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

    -credibility
    -motivation
    -pattern

    Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

    The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 
    I mean, Biden fits that bill too…Several women have accused Biden of inappropriate touching and that they they felt uncomfortable around him(Democrat staffers for that matter).  If I remember right, all of that was played off as Biden just being an old geezer that didn’t realize his actions were inappropriate.  Where are the lines?  Evidently, if you are president, you get a sexual harassment allegation shield?
  • JeBurkhardt
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    F Me In The Brain said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    We have annual sexual harassment training at work, anyone with a modicum of sense knows what is appropriate and what is not. He is just another typical powerful man who feels like he can get away with anything he wants.
    The irony of it all is he signed in to law some of the strictest guidelines towards sexual harassment in and out of the workplace.

    and did he go through the required training?
    It was Mel Brooks who said "It's good to be the king".

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    Your Majesty- you look like the piss boy!

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