New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo sexually harassed multiple women, state attorney general report says

HughFreakingDillon

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

I totally agree.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

If that really happened, I agree.

Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?

we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

-credibility
-motivation
-pattern

Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 

I mean, Biden fits that bill too…Several women have accused Biden of inappropriate touching and that they they felt uncomfortable around him(Democrat staffers for that matter).  If I remember right, all of that was played off as Biden just being an old geezer that didn’t realize his actions were inappropriate.  Where are the lines?  Evidently, if you are president, you get a sexual harassment allegation shield?

honestly, getting a little too close while talking to someone or putting your hand on their shoulder isn't in the same universe as putting your hands under a woman's shirt and cupping their breasts. if cuomo did what biden has done, this wouldn't be happening. 

biden is like the old aunt that still insists on kissing you on the lips, even when you are 25 years old. yeah, it's creepy, but it's not sexual. 

PJPOWER

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

I totally agree.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

If that really happened, I agree.

Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?

we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

-credibility
-motivation
-pattern

Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 

I mean, Biden fits that bill too…Several women have accused Biden of inappropriate touching and that they they felt uncomfortable around him(Democrat staffers for that matter).  If I remember right, all of that was played off as Biden just being an old geezer that didn’t realize his actions were inappropriate.  Where are the lines?  Evidently, if you are president, you get a sexual harassment allegation shield?

honestly, getting a little too close while talking to someone or putting your hand on their shoulder isn't in the same universe as putting your hands under a woman's shirt and cupping their breasts. if cuomo did what biden has done, this wouldn't be happening. 

biden is like the old aunt that still insists on kissing you on the lips, even when you are 25 years old. yeah, it's creepy, but it's not sexual. 

It wasn’t just shoulder touching that he was accused of…And I thought the metric was not whether the accused felt it was innocent, but whether or not the accuser felt uncomfortable.  Hell, if I went around touching coworkers on the shoulders randomly and sniffing their hair, I’m pretty sure it would be an HR issue, lol. But I’m not president, so…..
Are we still sticking to the ol’ creepy geezer rhetoric?

mickeyrat

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

I totally agree.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

If that really happened, I agree.

Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?

we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

-credibility
-motivation
-pattern

Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 

I mean, Biden fits that bill too…Several women have accused Biden of inappropriate touching and that they they felt uncomfortable around him(Democrat staffers for that matter).  If I remember right, all of that was played off as Biden just being an old geezer that didn’t realize his actions were inappropriate.  Where are the lines?  Evidently, if you are president, you get a sexual harassment allegation shield?

Aside from Tara Reid , I dont recall Biden being accused of grabbing ass and cupping breast.

kotton_crown

You either believe Tara Reade or you don’t. Reframing the allegations is kinda strange though.

PJPOWER

mickeyrat said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

I totally agree.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

If that really happened, I agree.

Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?

we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

-credibility
-motivation
-pattern

Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 

I mean, Biden fits that bill too…Several women have accused Biden of inappropriate touching and that they they felt uncomfortable around him(Democrat staffers for that matter).  If I remember right, all of that was played off as Biden just being an old geezer that didn’t realize his actions were inappropriate.  Where are the lines?  Evidently, if you are president, you get a sexual harassment allegation shield?

Aside from Tara Reid , I dont recall Biden being accused of grabbing ass and cupping breast.

The ol’ geezer gets a pass…
https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6
The goalpost keeps moving…
Lets say this was a Cuomo article and not a Biden one…pretending the other incidents never happened.  Would Cuomo have gotten a pass from these exact same actions?  

HughFreakingDillon

PJPOWER said:

mickeyrat said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

I totally agree.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

If that really happened, I agree.

Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?

we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

-credibility
-motivation
-pattern

Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 

I mean, Biden fits that bill too…Several women have accused Biden of inappropriate touching and that they they felt uncomfortable around him(Democrat staffers for that matter).  If I remember right, all of that was played off as Biden just being an old geezer that didn’t realize his actions were inappropriate.  Where are the lines?  Evidently, if you are president, you get a sexual harassment allegation shield?

Aside from Tara Reid , I dont recall Biden being accused of grabbing ass and cupping breast.

The ol’ geezer gets a pass…
https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6
The goalpost keeps moving…

bullshit. "violating personal space", which seems to be the predominant theme here, doesn't even come close to what cuomo, trump, and clinton have all been accused of. 

PJPOWER

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

mickeyrat said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

I totally agree.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

If that really happened, I agree.

Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?

we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

-credibility
-motivation
-pattern

Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 

I mean, Biden fits that bill too…Several women have accused Biden of inappropriate touching and that they they felt uncomfortable around him(Democrat staffers for that matter).  If I remember right, all of that was played off as Biden just being an old geezer that didn’t realize his actions were inappropriate.  Where are the lines?  Evidently, if you are president, you get a sexual harassment allegation shield?

Aside from Tara Reid , I dont recall Biden being accused of grabbing ass and cupping breast.

The ol’ geezer gets a pass…
https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6
The goalpost keeps moving…

bullshit. "violating personal space", which seems to be the predominant theme here, doesn't even come close to what cuomo, trump, and clinton have all been accused of. 

I agree, but you keep hearing that the credibility of the accuser is not what should be attacked, but decisions should be based on a pattern of inappropriate behavior and complaints.  Overlooking the credibility of accusers, Biden has been accused of way more than “violating personal space” on the exact level of Cuomo, Clinton, Trump.
The Tara Reade situation mentioned above was dismissed essentially because of her credibility because “she was dishonest about other things, so she must be lying about this”.  

That’s where the goalpost keeps moving.

HughFreakingDillon

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

mickeyrat said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

I totally agree.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

If that really happened, I agree.

Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?

we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

-credibility
-motivation
-pattern

Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 

I mean, Biden fits that bill too…Several women have accused Biden of inappropriate touching and that they they felt uncomfortable around him(Democrat staffers for that matter).  If I remember right, all of that was played off as Biden just being an old geezer that didn’t realize his actions were inappropriate.  Where are the lines?  Evidently, if you are president, you get a sexual harassment allegation shield?

Aside from Tara Reid , I dont recall Biden being accused of grabbing ass and cupping breast.

The ol’ geezer gets a pass…
https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6
The goalpost keeps moving…

bullshit. "violating personal space", which seems to be the predominant theme here, doesn't even come close to what cuomo, trump, and clinton have all been accused of. 

I agree, but you keep hearing that the credibility of the accuser is not what should be attacked, but decisions should be based on a pattern of inappropriate behavior and complaints.  Overlooking the credibility of accusers, Biden has been accused of way more than “violating personal space” on the exact level of Cuomo, Clinton, Trump.

he had one accusation on that same level. one (that I'm aware of). and who said anything about the credibility of the accuser? all I said was I think "hugging one heartbeat too long" and "touching foreheads" is a far cry from sexual assault. 

PJPOWER

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

mickeyrat said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

If we’re going to exercise skepticism, it should apply equally both within and outside of the political world. It’s unacceptable when a person with literal power does it, as much as the “friendly neighbor” who does the same.

I totally agree.

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Does anyone have video of photos of any of the incidents being reported as sexual harassment?  Don't get me wrong- I am all against true sexual harassment, but something Cuomo said leads me to be skeptical (and I think skepticism is healthy) about all this: 

“In my mind, I’ve never crossed the line with anyone, but I didn’t realize the extent to which the line has been redrawn. There are generational and cultural shifts that I just didn’t fully appreciate, and I should have — no excuses,” he continued.

It's too bad this kind of thing isn't caught on camera so we could assess for ourselves the extent of the accusations.  At what point is hugging, for example, no longer acceptable?  I've had women come up and hug me without my permission.  Is that sexual harassment?  Is this?

 

I'm not making excuses for anyone or getting soft on true sexual harassment.  I'm just suggesting we be more skeptical, especially about accusations made in the political arena.  We all know it's true that false claims are made there.

rubbing a woman's ass has never not been over the line. 

If that really happened, I agree.

Was the ass rubbing done on someone different than the breast cupping?  

I don't know.  Are you sure those things happened, and if so how do you know for certain?

we don't. unless it's caught on video or corroborated by a witness or he admits to it, none of it can be known for certain. I just personally weigh a few things:

-credibility
-motivation
-pattern

Now, the first two kind of go hand in hand. What motivation did Christine Blasey Ford have to come forward against Brett Kavanagh, for instance? I'd say she did it out of absolute selflessness and duty, which lends to her credibility. 

The fact he's had SEVERAL woman come forward shows there's a pattern of terrible harassing behavior. Can misunderstandings happen? Can women lie? Of course, on both counts. But judging by what I've read and the details of each incident, I'd say it went way beyond misunderstanding and he's just a fuckin' creep. 

I mean, Biden fits that bill too…Several women have accused Biden of inappropriate touching and that they they felt uncomfortable around him(Democrat staffers for that matter).  If I remember right, all of that was played off as Biden just being an old geezer that didn’t realize his actions were inappropriate.  Where are the lines?  Evidently, if you are president, you get a sexual harassment allegation shield?

Aside from Tara Reid , I dont recall Biden being accused of grabbing ass and cupping breast.

The ol’ geezer gets a pass…
https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6
The goalpost keeps moving…

bullshit. "violating personal space", which seems to be the predominant theme here, doesn't even come close to what cuomo, trump, and clinton have all been accused of. 

I agree, but you keep hearing that the credibility of the accuser is not what should be attacked, but decisions should be based on a pattern of inappropriate behavior and complaints.  Overlooking the credibility of accusers, Biden has been accused of way more than “violating personal space” on the exact level of Cuomo, Clinton, Trump.

he had one accusation on that same level. one (that I'm aware of). and who said anything about the credibility of the accuser? all I said was I think "hugging one heartbeat too long" and "touching foreheads" is a far cry from sexual assault. 

So what are we looking for?  Two major allegations and many minor ones…?  Three major ones?  
He’s probably just an ol’ geezer that just doesn’t understand personal space at the end of the day.  

Here are the standards Cuomo was judged on ( per wiki):

• Severe: a single instance can be sexual harassment if it is sufficiently severe.
• Pervasive: a behavior can be sexual harassment if it is repeated frequently enough.
• Unwelcome: the harasser knows, or reasonably ought to know, that the behavior is not desired by the victim.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cuomo_sexual_harassment_allegations

All, but especially the third point, fits Biden’s bill.

Halifax2TheMax

Let’s throw Kavanaugh into the mix, shall we?

F Me In The Brain

Squee and Donkey Dong Greg almost made it out without mention!

joseph33

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

New Yorkers have always known he's a piece of shit.

Yeah but he was a voice of reason during the height of Covid here.  A lot of us, myself included, enjoyed his leadership.  That's all gone to hell now.

The son of a bitch killed 15 thousand people in nursing homes! What kind of leadership are you talking about???

tempo_n_groove

joseph33 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

New Yorkers have always known he's a piece of shit.

Yeah but he was a voice of reason during the height of Covid here.  A lot of us, myself included, enjoyed his leadership.  That's all gone to hell now.

The son of a bitch killed 15 thousand people in nursing homes! What kind of leadership are you talking about???

I'm very impressed that you knew that all those people died in the nursing homes at the time.

If you didn't think he was the bell of the ball during covid then you just didn't like him from the get.  He was building quite the following...

cincybearcat

tempo_n_groove said:

joseph33 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

New Yorkers have always known he's a piece of shit.

Yeah but he was a voice of reason during the height of Covid here.  A lot of us, myself included, enjoyed his leadership.  That's all gone to hell now.

The son of a bitch killed 15 thousand people in nursing homes! What kind of leadership are you talking about???

I'm very impressed that you knew that all those people died in the nursing homes at the time.

If you didn't think he was the bell of the ball during covid then you just didn't like him from the get.  He was building quite the following...

He was late to the party for Covid and then hid his failures.  People only liked him cause they hated trump.  Both creeps

tempo_n_groove

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

joseph33 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

New Yorkers have always known he's a piece of shit.

Yeah but he was a voice of reason during the height of Covid here.  A lot of us, myself included, enjoyed his leadership.  That's all gone to hell now.

The son of a bitch killed 15 thousand people in nursing homes! What kind of leadership are you talking about???

I'm very impressed that you knew that all those people died in the nursing homes at the time.

If you didn't think he was the bell of the ball during covid then you just didn't like him from the get.  He was building quite the following...

He was late to the party for Covid and then hid his failures.  People only liked him cause they hated trump.  Both creeps

It's all coming out now in better details now but people loved him.  Read early on here and most people liked what he was doing.

Ledbetterman10

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

joseph33 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

New Yorkers have always known he's a piece of shit.

Yeah but he was a voice of reason during the height of Covid here.  A lot of us, myself included, enjoyed his leadership.  That's all gone to hell now.

The son of a bitch killed 15 thousand people in nursing homes! What kind of leadership are you talking about???

I'm very impressed that you knew that all those people died in the nursing homes at the time.

If you didn't think he was the bell of the ball during covid then you just didn't like him from the get.  He was building quite the following...

He was late to the party for Covid and then hid his failures.  People only liked him cause they hated trump.  Both creeps

There was a lot of that over the past few years; people falling in love people that were in opposition of Trump, but didn't have much else going for them than that that would warrant much admiration. Cuomo, Mueller, Michael Avanti (remember him?), even Fauci to a degree, though that probably started because Trump being adversarial towards Fauci from the beginning.  

mickeyrat

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

joseph33 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

New Yorkers have always known he's a piece of shit.

Yeah but he was a voice of reason during the height of Covid here.  A lot of us, myself included, enjoyed his leadership.  That's all gone to hell now.

The son of a bitch killed 15 thousand people in nursing homes! What kind of leadership are you talking about???

I'm very impressed that you knew that all those people died in the nursing homes at the time.

If you didn't think he was the bell of the ball during covid then you just didn't like him from the get.  He was building quite the following...

He was late to the party for Covid and then hid his failures.  People only liked him cause they hated trump.  Both creeps

There was a lot of that over the past few years; people falling in love people that were in opposition of Trump, but didn't have much else going for them than that that would warrant much admiration. Cuomo, Mueller, Michael Avanti (remember him?), even Fauci to a degree, though that probably started because Trump being adversarial towards Fauci from the beginning.  

interesting you include Mueller in this. of the 4 he was the most media adverse, seeking to do the job at hand in a serious way.

Ledbetterman10

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

joseph33 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

New Yorkers have always known he's a piece of shit.

Yeah but he was a voice of reason during the height of Covid here.  A lot of us, myself included, enjoyed his leadership.  That's all gone to hell now.

The son of a bitch killed 15 thousand people in nursing homes! What kind of leadership are you talking about???

I'm very impressed that you knew that all those people died in the nursing homes at the time.

If you didn't think he was the bell of the ball during covid then you just didn't like him from the get.  He was building quite the following...

He was late to the party for Covid and then hid his failures.  People only liked him cause they hated trump.  Both creeps

There was a lot of that over the past few years; people falling in love people that were in opposition of Trump, but didn't have much else going for them than that that would warrant much admiration. Cuomo, Mueller, Michael Avanti (remember him?), even Fauci to a degree, though that probably started because Trump being adversarial towards Fauci from the beginning.  

interesting you include Mueller in this. of the 4 he was the most media adverse, seeking to do the job at hand in a serious way.

I know he was. But he definitely gained some reverence among people that hate Trump. “It’s Mueller time!” and all that sort of stuff. 

Wasn’t thinking about it in terms of media exposure, but since you mention it, the other three definitely craved the limelight. 

Halifax2TheMax

Regardless of how much worship you think those dem nemesis received, none of it even comes close to the worship for POOTWH, the sleaziest, worst, self-serving public servant ever elected with foreign assistance.

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

Regardless of how much worship you think those dem nemesis received, none of it even comes close to the worship for POOTWH, the sleaziest, worst, self-serving public servant ever elected with foreign assistance.

Right so that makes it ok to list after a Dude lying about elderly deaths and harassing women. Got it.