I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
Good way to get a thread shut down too if history teaches us anything.
I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
And hundreds of other bands have done it, heck, many have done it twice!! (2021 & 2022)
At this point, all the rescheduled shows need to be at least 4hrs long. They can pay for any curfew violations with the interest they've accumulated on our money the last 2+ years.
I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
And hundreds of other bands have done it, heck, many have done it twice!! (2021 & 2022)
Unfair comparison, as this group has a nutty world traveling fan base. Greta Van Fleet? Not so much. Let's all just chill.
I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
And hundreds of other bands have done it, heck, many have done it twice!! (2021 & 2022)
Unfair comparison, as this group has a nutty world traveling fan base. Greta Van Fleet? Not so much. Let's all just chill.
How is it unfair to compare Pearl Jam's failure to reschedule dates to every other band that was successfully able to do so?
At this point, all the rescheduled shows need to be at least 4hrs long. They can pay for any curfew violations with the interest they've accumulated on our money the last 2+ years.
Again, it's laughable that people think our money is sitting in Eddie's bank account. If you want to be angry at someone making interest on our money, it's TM/LiveNation, not the band. I doubt they see a penny until the show happens.
At this point, all the rescheduled shows need to be at least 4hrs long. They can pay for any curfew violations with the interest they've accumulated on our money the last 2+ years.
Again, it's laughable that people think our money is sitting in Eddie's bank account. If you want to be angry at someone making interest on our money, it's TM/LiveNation, not the band. I doubt they see a penny until the show happens.
This is 100% correct. Pearl Jam is not sitting on your money.
At this point, all the rescheduled shows need to be at least 4hrs long. They can pay for any curfew violations with the interest they've accumulated on our money the last 2+ years.
Again, it's laughable that people think our money is sitting in Eddie's bank account. If you want to be angry at someone making interest on our money, it's TM/LiveNation, not the band. I doubt they see a penny until the show happens.
At this point, all the rescheduled shows need to be at least 4hrs long. They can pay for any curfew violations with the interest they've accumulated on our money the last 2+ years.
Again, it's laughable that people think our money is sitting in Eddie's bank account. If you want to be angry at someone making interest on our money, it's TM/LiveNation, not the band. I doubt they see a penny until the show happens.
I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
And hundreds of other bands have done it, heck, many have done it twice!! (2021 & 2022)
Unfair comparison, as this group has a nutty world traveling fan base. Greta Van Fleet? Not so much. Let's all just chill.
How is it unfair to compare Pearl Jam's failure to reschedule dates to every other band that was successfully able to do so?
Name a comparable band to Pearl Jam that's successfully relaunched a domestic and European tour. This is huge band, with a huge crew, with a traveling fan base. There are more moving parts for them is my guess and comparing them to smaller acts isn't a fair comparison.
At this point, all the rescheduled shows need to be at least 4hrs long. They can pay for any curfew violations with the interest they've accumulated on our money the last 2+ years.
Again, it's laughable that people think our money is sitting in Eddie's bank account. If you want to be angry at someone making interest on our money, it's TM/LiveNation, not the band. I doubt they see a penny until the show happens.
It was a joke. :(
Gotcha. You're not the first person to say it, just seems like a lot of the anger in this thread is misdirected. I'm not saying the band isn't a factor in this ridiculous delay, but these are not unilateral decisions.
Edit: and this is coming from someone who has over $2k tied up in PJ2022 tickets right now (10 shows).
I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
And hundreds of other bands have done it, heck, many have done it twice!! (2021 & 2022)
Unfair comparison, as this group has a nutty world traveling fan base. Greta Van Fleet? Not so much. Let's all just chill.
Oh, they're planning the travel for all fans across the world? When then take some more time and just add my flights to my Delta or Southwest account!
They're just rescheduling a handful of tour dates...from two years ago...no impact to them from where the fans come from
I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
And hundreds of other bands have done it, heck, many have done it twice!! (2021 & 2022)
Unfair comparison, as this group has a nutty world traveling fan base. Greta Van Fleet? Not so much. Let's all just chill.
Oh, they're planning the travel for all fans across the world? When then take some more time and just add my flights to my Delta or Southwest account!
They're just rescheduling a handful of tour dates...from two years ago...no impact to them from where the fans come from
Seriously. I would think that knowing how much the fan base travel would make you want to get everything set and announced as early as possible. That doesn't seem to be Pearl Jam's MO, though.
"I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
And hundreds of other bands have done it, heck, many have done it twice!! (2021 & 2022)
Unfair comparison, as this group has a nutty world traveling fan base. Greta Van Fleet? Not so much. Let's all just chill.
How is it unfair to compare Pearl Jam's failure to reschedule dates to every other band that was successfully able to do so?
Name a comparable band to Pearl Jam that's successfully relaunched a domestic and European tour. This is huge band, with a huge crew, with a traveling fan base. There are more moving parts for them is my guess and comparing them to smaller acts isn't a fair comparison.
DMB rescheduled 50+ 2020 dates to 2021, played them, and have already scheduled 50+ dates for 2022 starting May 11. And that's just one...Coldplay, Lumineers, Eagles are touring, etc etc etc
I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
And hundreds of other bands have done it, heck, many have done it twice!! (2021 & 2022)
Unfair comparison, as this group has a nutty world traveling fan base. Greta Van Fleet? Not so much. Let's all just chill.
Oh, they're planning the travel for all fans across the world? When then take some more time and just add my flights to my Delta or Southwest account!
They're just rescheduling a handful of tour dates...from two years ago...no impact to them from where the fans come from
So consideration of a traveling fan base (both domestic and abroad) have zero impact on the delays? Is that what you're saying?
I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
And hundreds of other bands have done it, heck, many have done it twice!! (2021 & 2022)
Unfair comparison, as this group has a nutty world traveling fan base. Greta Van Fleet? Not so much. Let's all just chill.
How is it unfair to compare Pearl Jam's failure to reschedule dates to every other band that was successfully able to do so?
Name a comparable band to Pearl Jam that's successfully relaunched a domestic and European tour. This is huge band, with a huge crew, with a traveling fan base. There are more moving parts for them is my guess and comparing them to smaller acts isn't a fair comparison.
Including Europe is strange as those shows have been rescheduled twice.
As for domestic, name a band that had 2020 shows postponed that hasn't rescheduled them. DMB, Phish, The Black Crowes, Counting Crows, big bad Motley Crue, Guns n' Roses, the list goes on and on. Pearl Jam is the only one I know of that has failed to reschedule their 2020 shows two full years later.
I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
And hundreds of other bands have done it, heck, many have done it twice!! (2021 & 2022)
Unfair comparison, as this group has a nutty world traveling fan base. Greta Van Fleet? Not so much. Let's all just chill.
Phish, Dave Matthews, Tool, Dead and Company all have fanbases who travel to shows like Pearl Jam fans, maybe not internationally, and they all toured this year AND last year in the case of most of them.
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I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
And hundreds of other bands have done it, heck, many have done it twice!! (2021 & 2022)
Unfair comparison, as this group has a nutty world traveling fan base. Greta Van Fleet? Not so much. Let's all just chill.
How is it unfair to compare Pearl Jam's failure to reschedule dates to every other band that was successfully able to do so?
Name a comparable band to Pearl Jam that's successfully relaunched a domestic and European tour. This is huge band, with a huge crew, with a traveling fan base. There are more moving parts for them is my guess and comparing them to smaller acts isn't a fair comparison.
DMB rescheduled 50+ 2020 dates to 2021, played them, and have already scheduled 50+ dates for 2022 starting May 11. And that's just one...Coldplay, Lumineers, Eagles are touring, etc etc etc
All the European shows have been rescheduled for months... US dates ( less then EU) could have also been scheduled.
At this point, all the rescheduled shows need to be at least 4hrs long. They can pay for any curfew violations with the interest they've accumulated on our money the last 2+ years.
Again, it's laughable that people think our money is sitting in Eddie's bank account. If you want to be angry at someone making interest on our money, it's TM/LiveNation, not the band. I doubt they see a penny until the show happens.
And interest rates were rock bottom through most of Covid, so what would they have been earning. 1% or less? lol. I don't think they can invest it, because if went down they'd be in trouble.
No one won on this. Ticketmaster made less money because they still have overhead expenses when no one is touring. Band makes less money because the money didn't do anything for 2 years.
Fans are waiting, and that's annoying, but we'll probably come out ahead. Concert tickets prices skyrocketed quite a bit over those 2 years as no one one was making much money. Now it's all catch up. IE if those tickets were sold now, I doubt they'd be $125.
I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
And hundreds of other bands have done it, heck, many have done it twice!! (2021 & 2022)
Unfair comparison, as this group has a nutty world traveling fan base. Greta Van Fleet? Not so much. Let's all just chill.
Completely fair comparison. Many touring fan base bands have been doing this since last year
I mean at this point, there has to be some serious drama or disagreement within the inner circle of the band, right? If the WHOLE band was in lock-step as others have noted, hundreds of bands have announced make-up dates or brand new tours in the past 6 months. I mean, it can be humorous to call out Stone or Jeff or Boom, but I think the sad truth is that one (or more) of the core members is holding up the whole train. 10C is stuck in the middle of the band and the fans and has no choice but to keep putting out these vague announcements. It's Occam's Razor, this is the simplest explanation for the compounded delays.
That's one hell of an assumption. Scheduling a tour isn't just about the band members, though. There are many other people/entities involved.
And hundreds of other bands have done it, heck, many have done it twice!! (2021 & 2022)
Unfair comparison, as this group has a nutty world traveling fan base. Greta Van Fleet? Not so much. Let's all just chill.
Completely fair comparison. Many touring fan base bands have been doing this since last year
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They're just rescheduling a handful of tour dates...from two years ago...no impact to them from where the fans come from
Seriously. I would think that knowing how much the fan base travel would make you want to get everything set and announced as early as possible. That doesn't seem to be Pearl Jam's MO, though.
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He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
As for domestic, name a band that had 2020 shows postponed that hasn't rescheduled them. DMB, Phish, The Black Crowes, Counting Crows, big bad Motley Crue, Guns n' Roses, the list goes on and on. Pearl Jam is the only one I know of that has failed to reschedule their 2020 shows two full years later.
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Phish, Dave Matthews, Tool, Dead and Company all have fanbases who travel to shows like Pearl Jam fans, maybe not internationally, and they all toured this year AND last year in the case of most of them.
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No one won on this. Ticketmaster made less money because they still have overhead expenses when no one is touring. Band makes less money because the money didn't do anything for 2 years.
Fans are waiting, and that's annoying, but we'll probably come out ahead. Concert tickets prices skyrocketed quite a bit over those 2 years as no one one was making much money. Now it's all catch up. IE if those tickets were sold now, I doubt they'd be $125.
Yep, time to log out! Make it a great one all!
I think they are treating customers poorly because their business operation is poorly run and poorly managed.
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