2022 North American rumour thread take 2

bootlegger10

Clapper said:

bootlegger10 said:

The band doesn't make a dime without their fans.  

I trust you'll be voting with your wallet over this "injustice", then? 

Do you know what a monopoly is?  You make the assumption that posting a complaint on a message board  means we are are thinking about PJ all of the time and losing our minds.  Turns out we are just reasonable people with reasonable expectations who are fine sharing those expectations on a PJ message board in the tour thread.

You are the delusional one thinking we should all be thrilled and gracious that the band is waiting to the last minute.

iamloco724

I was patient until they gave us the May and early 2022 information.. I have so much going on in May at this point and tickets for 5 shows.. It would be great to know as soon as possible what conflicts if any I have and to be able to start planning around them and possibly choose new shows to attend. I have no problem with them holding money for this long because I don't want to lose my tickets but at the same time I see 0 reason for there to be any sort of hold up at this point with announcing dates. 

cardoso

mpedone

bootlegger10 said:

Clapper said:

bootlegger10 said:

The band doesn't make a dime without their fans.  

I trust you'll be voting with your wallet over this "injustice", then? 

Do you know what a monopoly is?  You make the assumption that posting a complaint on a message board  means we are are thinking about PJ all of the time and losing our minds.  Turns out we are just reasonable people with reasonable expectations who are fine sharing those expectations on a PJ message board in the tour thread.

You are the delusional one thinking we should all be thrilled and gracious that the band is waiting to the last minute.

No one's saying we should be "thrilled and gracious" about this, just that going to the opposite extreme and calling this "pathetic" or "an FU to the fans" is a little ridiculous when we're not willing to do something about it. Kvetching here will not change anything, because it won't have an effect where it actually matters - the business's bottom line.

DE4173

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJPAT said:

Tomorrow 3/9/22 will be 2 years since the postponement.  It would be a nice time to give us a leg 1 announcement.  Holding onto 3 shows and cant wait to start planning the trips for this tour.  The waiting is driving me mad!  Thanks to The Earthlings for the mini tour to hold me over.

Look on the bright side, at least your three shows weren't cancelled for arena renovations. 

Clapper

bootlegger10 said:

Clapper said:

bootlegger10 said:

The band doesn't make a dime without their fans.  

I trust you'll be voting with your wallet over this "injustice", then? 

Do you know what a monopoly is?  You make the assumption that posting a complaint on a message board  means we are are thinking about PJ all of the time and losing our minds.  Turns out we are just reasonable people with reasonable expectations who are fine sharing those expectations on a PJ message board in the tour thread.

You are the delusional one thinking we should all be thrilled and gracious that the band is waiting to the last minute.

Wait, you think Pearl Jam has monopoly on music and touring?  14k posts indicates you spend a little bit of time thinking about Pearl Jam and losing your mind.  It appears it will be the same or close to a 2 month window, the same as the previous sale/show window.  There is nothing last minute about it. Again, you choose to plan your life around traveling to see a band.  You choose to not opt for refunds.  You've had choices all the way along here. Your tears are tears of entitlement. 

HughFreakingDillon

mpedone said:

bootlegger10 said:

Clapper said:

bootlegger10 said:

The band doesn't make a dime without their fans.  

I trust you'll be voting with your wallet over this "injustice", then? 

Do you know what a monopoly is?  You make the assumption that posting a complaint on a message board  means we are are thinking about PJ all of the time and losing our minds.  Turns out we are just reasonable people with reasonable expectations who are fine sharing those expectations on a PJ message board in the tour thread.

You are the delusional one thinking we should all be thrilled and gracious that the band is waiting to the last minute.

No one's saying we should be "thrilled and gracious" about this, just that going to the opposite extreme and calling this "pathetic" or "an FU to the fans" is a little ridiculous when we're not willing to do something about it. Kvetching here will not change anything, because it won't have an effect where it actually matters - the business's bottom line.

as bootlegger said, with pj having a monopoly on pj's music/shows, there isn't much of a choice here, especially since not going to the show will affect literally nothing unless everyone did it en masse, which literally has zero chance of happening. 

Manu117

Clapper said:

ComeToTX said:

Clapper said:

ComeToTX said:

You’re missing the point. They’re unnecessarily screwing those of us that chose TWO YEARS AGO to buy a ticket. We all realize we’re not friends with the band. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be respected as loyal customers. 

I understand the point.  Nobody is getting screwed.  You chose to buy tickets. You also chose to hold on to those tickets even through refund opportunities have been offered based on the assurance that those shows will be made up. Unless those shows no longer happen and the band keeps you money, the transaction is intact. 

So how long can they wait before it’s unreasonable? A week before shows?

Most of us would be fine with this if we had gotten an update in the last month or two.  

The previous update said that shows would be made up in May and that there would be an update "early in the year" .  When ticket transactions happened for the original tour it was mid January for shows starting in mid March.  The difference will likely be marginally different when its all settled. Pandemic fatigue is real but our fanbase here on the forum's outrage is ridiculous. There have been multiple refund windows and nobody forces any of us to plan our lives around tour dates. If I was the band, I'd scrap 10 club all together. I'd make tickets actual market value to offset the lost revenue and let people cry into their pillows at night about how unfair it is that they can't get tickets for shows. 

Refunds aren't the issue. I think most people that are waiting for the rescheduled dates don't want refunds, they want to go to the show. And therefore, they want to know when the show will be.

PJ offering refunds does not absolve them of their responsibility to reschedule these shows. Had they canceled the tour entirely and were now teasing a new one, I would agree with you. But that's not what happened. 

JBob87

I just flat out don't understand coming into this thread to argue with people venting their frustration.

Don't agree with it? Don't want to read it? Click the big x in the top right of your tab. I mean what did you expect to find in this thread? People are frustrated and venting in one of the few forums available to them. 

mikesbri

I just hope they don't change the Toronto venue to the Rogers Centre (Skydome).  Seems bigger bands are playing there lately.

chiefnjk

mpedone

HughFreakingDillon said:

mpedone said:

bootlegger10 said:

Clapper said:

bootlegger10 said:

The band doesn't make a dime without their fans.  

I trust you'll be voting with your wallet over this "injustice", then? 

Do you know what a monopoly is?  You make the assumption that posting a complaint on a message board  means we are are thinking about PJ all of the time and losing our minds.  Turns out we are just reasonable people with reasonable expectations who are fine sharing those expectations on a PJ message board in the tour thread.

You are the delusional one thinking we should all be thrilled and gracious that the band is waiting to the last minute.

No one's saying we should be "thrilled and gracious" about this, just that going to the opposite extreme and calling this "pathetic" or "an FU to the fans" is a little ridiculous when we're not willing to do something about it. Kvetching here will not change anything, because it won't have an effect where it actually matters - the business's bottom line.

as bootlegger said, with pj having a monopoly on pj's music/shows, there isn't much of a choice here, especially since not going to the show will affect literally nothing unless everyone did it en masse, which literally has zero chance of happening. 

Which is why they can announce whenever they feel like it. We can bitch and moan all we want about how they're disrespecting their fans, but when they take the stage, and an arena full of fans goes crazy cheering for them, will the message get through? To them, their method works. Want to show them it doesn't? Convince enough fellow fans and vote with your wallets. They have all the power here, and we've given it to them.

JimmyV

So arguments aside...does this really feel like an announcement week? Yesterday did, Dimi seemed to think it was going to happen, but nothing did. Today there is no buzz. Super weird. 

ComeToTX

All the buzz yesterday was made up here though. 

mpedone

JimmyV said:

So arguments aside...does this really feel like an announcement week? Yesterday did, Dimi seemed to think it was going to happen, but nothing did. Today there is no buzz. Super weird. 

Nope. Not really. I don't know if the PJ social media feeds are usually active before an announcement, but I feel like they'd be posting something. Dead quiet right now.

fall by the wayside

JBob87 said:

I just flat out don't understand coming into this thread to argue with people venting their frustration.

Don't agree with it? Don't want to read it? Click the big x in the top right of your tab. I mean what did you expect to find in this thread? People are frustrated and venting in one of the few forums available to them. 

I’d expect discussion of rumored tour dates in a thread about tour rumors not a bunch of adults whining that March doesn’t fit their personal definition of “early 2022”

JimmyV

ComeToTX said:

All the buzz yesterday was made up here though. 

This is kinda true. Here and Facebook. 

HughFreakingDillon

mpedone said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mpedone said:

bootlegger10 said:

Clapper said:

bootlegger10 said:

The band doesn't make a dime without their fans.  

I trust you'll be voting with your wallet over this "injustice", then? 

Do you know what a monopoly is?  You make the assumption that posting a complaint on a message board  means we are are thinking about PJ all of the time and losing our minds.  Turns out we are just reasonable people with reasonable expectations who are fine sharing those expectations on a PJ message board in the tour thread.

You are the delusional one thinking we should all be thrilled and gracious that the band is waiting to the last minute.

No one's saying we should be "thrilled and gracious" about this, just that going to the opposite extreme and calling this "pathetic" or "an FU to the fans" is a little ridiculous when we're not willing to do something about it. Kvetching here will not change anything, because it won't have an effect where it actually matters - the business's bottom line.

as bootlegger said, with pj having a monopoly on pj's music/shows, there isn't much of a choice here, especially since not going to the show will affect literally nothing unless everyone did it en masse, which literally has zero chance of happening. 

Which is why they can announce whenever they feel like it. We can bitch and moan all we want about how they're disrespecting their fans, but when they take the stage, and an arena full of fans goes crazy cheering for them, will the message get through? To them, their method works. Want to show them it doesn't? Convince enough fellow fans and vote with your wallets. They have all the power here, and we've given it to them.

"hey man, we should boycott our favourite band's show, pass it on"
"um....ok man.....just curious....where are your seats....asking for a friend...."

things don't improve a business's processes without people voicing their opinions, positive or negative. do I think the band listens to the message board? 98% of the time, no, but this forum is here to voice your pleasure/displeasure with the band. I see nothing wrong with letting people vent if they wish. when I come across a thread where I think the venting is ridiculous, I just move on, I don't argue with the people venting. 

Clapper

Manu117 said:

Refunds aren't the issue. I think most people that are waiting for the rescheduled dates don't want refunds, they want to go to the show. And therefore, they want to know when the show will be.

PJ offering refunds does not absolve them of their responsibility to reschedule these shows. Had they canceled the tour entirely and were now teasing a new one, I would agree with you. But that's not what happened. 

What's the actual concern here?  They said, we'll reschedule. They are.  They said we'll announce in the early part of the year for May.  That's still expected.  The announcement/ shows window is looking like it will be roughly the same.  Refunds have been offered to anyone who wanted them.  Have I missed something?

bootlegger10

Clapper said:

bootlegger10 said:

Clapper said:

bootlegger10 said:

The band doesn't make a dime without their fans.  

I trust you'll be voting with your wallet over this "injustice", then? 

Do you know what a monopoly is?  You make the assumption that posting a complaint on a message board  means we are are thinking about PJ all of the time and losing our minds.  Turns out we are just reasonable people with reasonable expectations who are fine sharing those expectations on a PJ message board in the tour thread.

You are the delusional one thinking we should all be thrilled and gracious that the band is waiting to the last minute.

Wait, you think Pearl Jam has monopoly on music and touring?  14k posts indicates you spend a little bit of time thinking about Pearl Jam and losing your mind.  It appears it will be the same or close to a 2 month window, the same as the previous sale/show window.  There is nothing last minute about it. Again, you choose to plan your life around traveling to see a band.  You choose to not opt for refunds.  You've had choices all the way along here. Your tears are tears of entitlement. 

Haha. Okay dude.  I have said multiple times on here that PJ’s lead time for Us tour announcements without festivals is pathetic.  The last one was pathetic too.  

I hope that it is okay that I feel this way.  

Manu117

JBob87 said:

I just flat out don't understand coming into this thread to argue with people venting their frustration.

Don't agree with it? Don't want to read it? Click the big x in the top right of your tab. I mean what did you expect to find in this thread? People are frustrated and venting in one of the few forums available to them. 

Sadly every band seems to have apologists that take it personally whenever someone says anything slightly critical of the band. 

Weston1283

I'm not seeing much in terms of concert announcement hype in general on twitter or the internet today

Clapper

bootlegger10 said:

 

Haha. Okay dude.  I have said multiple times on here that PJ’s lead time for Us tour announcements without festivals is pathetic.  The last one was pathetic too.  

I hope that it is okay that I feel this way.  

Feel however you want.  Just don't be confused that you have been screwed, even a little,  by anyone involved. 

RiotAct10

Weston1283 said:

I'm not seeing much in terms of concert announcement hype in general on twitter or the internet today

The calm before the storm. Today must be the day!

JojoRice

2 hours before the announcement? 

release00

Manu117 said:

JBob87 said:

I just flat out don't understand coming into this thread to argue with people venting their frustration.

Don't agree with it? Don't want to read it? Click the big x in the top right of your tab. I mean what did you expect to find in this thread? People are frustrated and venting in one of the few forums available to them. 

Sadly every band seems to have apologists that take it personally whenever someone says anything slightly critical of the band. 

Sadly, I remember being like this…in my late teens. 

PJNB

johnny__utah

Weston1283 said:

I'm not seeing much in terms of concert announcement hype in general on twitter or the internet today

sea hear now lineup at 12pm est. Hopefully the last hurdle left for announcements before PJ can go live with rescheduled dates today or tomorrow. 

cincybearcat

fall by the wayside said:

ComeToTX said:

Clapper said:

ComeToTX said:

You’re missing the point. They’re unnecessarily screwing those of us that chose TWO YEARS AGO to buy a ticket. We all realize we’re not friends with the band. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be respected as loyal customers. 

I understand the point.  Nobody is getting screwed.  You chose to buy tickets. You also chose to hold on to those tickets even through refund opportunities have been offered based on the assurance that those shows will be made up. Unless those shows no longer happen and the band keeps you money, the transaction is intact. 

So how long can they wait before it’s unreasonable? A week before shows?

Most of us would be fine with this if we had gotten an update in the last month or two.  

They told us dates were coming for May. Should they have to say it again because some of
you are impatient? March is still the first quarter of 2022, aka “early 2022.” An announcement this week or next still puts them on schedule for the same lead time they gave us in 2020. 

Impatient to expect 60 days notice for concert tix you bought 2 years ago? Really? Is that where we are?

We heard concerts in May. We have no idea which cities, what order, what day of the week…. It is well past time to share this info. 

kgeng45

Hey, i just clicked on the INFO button next to the MSG date on tours page and it brought me to a TM page that said there was an interruption. Prior to today it was the standard "event has been postponed" page