Viruses / Vaccines

Meltdown99

bbiggs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Starting Monday anyone 18+ and 84 days out from their 2nd dose can get a booster.  If you had concert tickets, hockey tickets or tickets to events with capacity over 1000 these events are restricted to 50% capacity…so obviously some ticket holders will have their tickets 🎟  voided…

84 days out?  That is less than 3 months.  I thought it was previously recommended to wait at least 6 months from being fully vaccinated to get a booster.  Is there now scientific evidence that shows there is a benefit to cutting that timeline by more than half?  It is dizzying to try and keep up.

In this case science has been replaced by fear…

in Ontario’s case it is only about ICU capacity.  Province of 14.5 million has the ICU capacity of less than 500…

personally I think the unvaccinated should a) pay for their own Covid treatment or b) they should be treated in military field hospitals

benjs

Meltdown99 said:

bbiggs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Starting Monday anyone 18+ and 84 days out from their 2nd dose can get a booster.  If you had concert tickets, hockey tickets or tickets to events with capacity over 1000 these events are restricted to 50% capacity…so obviously some ticket holders will have their tickets 🎟  voided…

84 days out?  That is less than 3 months.  I thought it was previously recommended to wait at least 6 months from being fully vaccinated to get a booster.  Is there now scientific evidence that shows there is a benefit to cutting that timeline by more than half?  It is dizzying to try and keep up.

In this case science has been replaced by fear…

in Ontario’s case it is only about ICU capacity.  Province of 14.5 million has the ICU capacity of less than 500…

personally I think the unvaccinated should a) pay for their own Covid treatment or b) they should be treated in military field hospitals

Science replaced by fear? Omicron has substantial greater transmissibility and marginally less severity, and is showing rampant spread in the province. Only an idiot wouldn't be planning mitigation strategies in light of those facts (i.e. science-based decision making).

On the 'fend for yourself' approach, unless this particular government action becomes commonplace in numerous regions, what politician is going to advocate for that in our socialist-leaning country? Seems a sure way to lose a re-election.

Meltdown99

Unnecessary disruption and chaos': Travel sector livid as Ottawa issues new advisory

https://www.cp24.com/news/unnecessary-disruption-and-chaos-travel-sector-livid-as-ottawa-issues-new-advisory-1.5709242

mfc2006

gimmesometruth27 said:

mfc2006 said:

Hospitals are filling up here as well.

i read the MO attorney general is threatening cities that impose mask mandates. i played baseball with him in high school. he was an asshole then. i had no idea he would be this big of an asshole now. he is running for us senate next cycle. knowing MO voters they will elect him.

They sure will. Fucking ridiculous.

Meltdown99

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

bbiggs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Starting Monday anyone 18+ and 84 days out from their 2nd dose can get a booster.  If you had concert tickets, hockey tickets or tickets to events with capacity over 1000 these events are restricted to 50% capacity…so obviously some ticket holders will have their tickets 🎟  voided…

84 days out?  That is less than 3 months.  I thought it was previously recommended to wait at least 6 months from being fully vaccinated to get a booster.  Is there now scientific evidence that shows there is a benefit to cutting that timeline by more than half?  It is dizzying to try and keep up.

In this case science has been replaced by fear…

in Ontario’s case it is only about ICU capacity.  Province of 14.5 million has the ICU capacity of less than 500…

personally I think the unvaccinated should a) pay for their own Covid treatment or b) they should be treated in military field hospitals

Science replaced by fear? Omicron has substantial greater transmissibility and marginally less severity, and is showing rampant spread in the province. Only an idiot wouldn't be planning mitigation strategies in light of those facts (i.e. science-based decision making).

On the 'fend for yourself' approach, unless this particular government action becomes commonplace in numerous regions, what politician is going to advocate for that in our socialist-leaning country? Seems a sure way to lose a re-election.

What other countries are 3rd dosing people in less than 90 days.

The government is so damn concerned about us test they would not not mandate health or education workers get vaccinated?  You know, a place where many unvaccinated tend to be.  

i wondered if there was still people who bought the bullshit line that the politicians use “we got your backl”

benjs

Meltdown99 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

bbiggs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Starting Monday anyone 18+ and 84 days out from their 2nd dose can get a booster.  If you had concert tickets, hockey tickets or tickets to events with capacity over 1000 these events are restricted to 50% capacity…so obviously some ticket holders will have their tickets 🎟  voided…

84 days out?  That is less than 3 months.  I thought it was previously recommended to wait at least 6 months from being fully vaccinated to get a booster.  Is there now scientific evidence that shows there is a benefit to cutting that timeline by more than half?  It is dizzying to try and keep up.

In this case science has been replaced by fear…

in Ontario’s case it is only about ICU capacity.  Province of 14.5 million has the ICU capacity of less than 500…

personally I think the unvaccinated should a) pay for their own Covid treatment or b) they should be treated in military field hospitals

Science replaced by fear? Omicron has substantial greater transmissibility and marginally less severity, and is showing rampant spread in the province. Only an idiot wouldn't be planning mitigation strategies in light of those facts (i.e. science-based decision making).

On the 'fend for yourself' approach, unless this particular government action becomes commonplace in numerous regions, what politician is going to advocate for that in our socialist-leaning country? Seems a sure way to lose a re-election.

What other countries are 3rd dosing people in less than 90 days.

The government is so damn concerned about us test they would not not mandate health or education workers get vaccinated?  You know, a place where many unvaccinated tend to be.  

i wondered if there was still people who bought the bullshit line that the politicians use “we got your backl”

Just above your post, lastexit posted that the UK have shifted to 3-months for a 3rd dose. Also happens to be a similar pattern - think that's a coincidence?

On the health and education workers - I agree that there should be vaccine mandates for them. I also understand the apprehension, because if enough of those cohorts refuse to get vaccinated, it puts an undue burden on those who remain eligible to work. This must be figured out as soon as humanly possible.

Finally, on your insinuation that I have my head in the sand - I'm not one to naively believe that governments want what's best for us 100% of the time, but I'm also not one to naively believe that if the government just listened to what I said, that everything would be better. Your evaluation of the situation is untrue - the actions being taken are science-driven, in spite of the fact that you disagree with them. Your evaluation on what should happen is unrealistic, as it goes against the incentives that exist for politicians.

HughFreakingDillon

some people just have a blind hatred of those in power, that no matter what decision they make, they shit on it. 

Meltdown99

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

bbiggs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Starting Monday anyone 18+ and 84 days out from their 2nd dose can get a booster.  If you had concert tickets, hockey tickets or tickets to events with capacity over 1000 these events are restricted to 50% capacity…so obviously some ticket holders will have their tickets 🎟  voided…

84 days out?  That is less than 3 months.  I thought it was previously recommended to wait at least 6 months from being fully vaccinated to get a booster.  Is there now scientific evidence that shows there is a benefit to cutting that timeline by more than half?  It is dizzying to try and keep up.

In this case science has been replaced by fear…

in Ontario’s case it is only about ICU capacity.  Province of 14.5 million has the ICU capacity of less than 500…

personally I think the unvaccinated should a) pay for their own Covid treatment or b) they should be treated in military field hospitals

Science replaced by fear? Omicron has substantial greater transmissibility and marginally less severity, and is showing rampant spread in the province. Only an idiot wouldn't be planning mitigation strategies in light of those facts (i.e. science-based decision making).

On the 'fend for yourself' approach, unless this particular government action becomes commonplace in numerous regions, what politician is going to advocate for that in our socialist-leaning country? Seems a sure way to lose a re-election.

What other countries are 3rd dosing people in less than 90 days.

The government is so damn concerned about us test they would not not mandate health or education workers get vaccinated?  You know, a place where many unvaccinated tend to be.  

i wondered if there was still people who bought the bullshit line that the politicians use “we got your backl”

Just above your post, lastexit posted that the UK have shifted to 3-months for a 3rd dose. Also happens to be a similar pattern - think that's a coincidence?

On the health and education workers - I agree that there should be vaccine mandates for them. I also understand the apprehension, because if enough of those cohorts refuse to get vaccinated, it puts an undue burden on those who remain eligible to work. This must be figured out as soon as humanly possible.

Finally, on your insinuation that I have my head in the sand - I'm not one to naively believe that governments want what's best for us 100% of the time, but I'm also not one to naively believe that if the government just listened to what I said, that everything would be better. Your evaluation of the situation is untrue - the actions being taken are science-driven, in spite of the fact that you disagree with them. Your evaluation on what should happen is unrealistic, as it goes against the incentives that exist for politicians.

It’s all about protecting our pathetic underfunded healthcare.  Nothing more…and the UK likely has the same underfunded system…

bbiggs

I understand that there is greater transmissibility with Omicron, but have there been studies that show a booster taken at 3 months offers a greater level of protection than a booster taken at 6 months? 

Gern Blansten

bbiggs said:

I understand that there is greater transmissibility with Omicron, but have there been studies that show a booster taken at 3 months offers a greater level of protection than a booster taken at 6 months? 

not sure but I just heard a recommendation that if you are two months out from receiving the J&J vaccine you should get a Pfizer or Moderna booster.

bbiggs

Gern Blansten said:

bbiggs said:

I understand that there is greater transmissibility with Omicron, but have there been studies that show a booster taken at 3 months offers a greater level of protection than a booster taken at 6 months? 

not sure but I just heard a recommendation that if you are two months out from receiving the J&J vaccine you should get a Pfizer or Moderna booster.

Good information.  I'd like to know specifically about the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, as they seem to be the more effective (longer lasting) of the bunch.  They're also the ones that were recently recommended to get boosters for after 6 months.  I'm curious if there is now scientific data that says 3 months is better than 6 months on those two in particular.

mace1229

tempo_n_groove said:

This wave, what is it, 3rd, 4th? This one I know far more people getting it than the previous year.  It's not surprising though considering no one wear masks anymore and congregate in masses.

I’m also guessing vaccines are giving a false sense of security for those who have them. If you got it in the first round or 2, it has faded by now if you haven’t received the booster.

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This wave, what is it, 3rd, 4th? This one I know far more people getting it than the previous year.  It's not surprising though considering no one wear masks anymore and congregate in masses.

I’m also guessing vaccines are giving a false sense of security for those who have them. If you got it in the first round or 2, it has faded by now if you haven’t received the booster.

agreed...and I'm wondering now if I was at risk because of taking the J&J in March.  I probably should have gotten a booster in June instead of October.

mrussel1

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This wave, what is it, 3rd, 4th? This one I know far more people getting it than the previous year.  It's not surprising though considering no one wear masks anymore and congregate in masses.

I’m also guessing vaccines are giving a false sense of security for those who have them. If you got it in the first round or 2, it has faded by now if you haven’t received the booster.

agreed...and I'm wondering now if I was at risk because of taking the J&J in March.  I probably should have gotten a booster in June instead of October.

Yes but I'm not sure a J and J booster is any less effective.  I think the J shot was less effective because it was only one dose and now they believe it should have been two.  So in theory a booster of J should be just as good as the others since they are all one shot,  smaller dose.

PJPOWER

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This wave, what is it, 3rd, 4th? This one I know far more people getting it than the previous year.  It's not surprising though considering no one wear masks anymore and congregate in masses.

I’m also guessing vaccines are giving a false sense of security for those who have them. If you got it in the first round or 2, it has faded by now if you haven’t received the booster.

I think that is a large part of the reason we are seeing spikes again.  Several people I know that have had Covid recently are ones that have procrastinated getting the booster.  Still, since they had the prior rounds, they don’t seem to be getting severe cases.  I think the waning antibodies mixed with booster hesitantly is a major issue.  Those that were on the fence about the initial vaccines, but still followed through, are complacently not getting boosters.  Not sure if is denial, burnout, or?  There is very little masking going on around here or any safety precautions for that matter, so I was not hesitant in the least to get the booster.

mcgruff10

mickeyrat said:

mcgruff10 said:

My wife and I got our boosters today.  So far so good.  Fingers crossed.  

mixed or matched?

Matched.  All Pfizer.  Slight headache today, tired and a little achy.  Just popped two Tylenol.  

Meltdown99

Just like Ontario.  The fat premier botched about wanting some travel ban a few weeks ago but did fuck else…then all of a sudden these overpaid clowns are in full panic…

Lmfao.

they are trying to cover their incompetence for underfunding and poorly managing  our healthcare system…

here a suggestion mandate vaccines in order to go have a job…simple.  Employers are expected to act in the best interest of their employees and are expected to provide a safe work environment…this should include vaccines.

Gern Blansten

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

This wave, what is it, 3rd, 4th? This one I know far more people getting it than the previous year.  It's not surprising though considering no one wear masks anymore and congregate in masses.

I’m also guessing vaccines are giving a false sense of security for those who have them. If you got it in the first round or 2, it has faded by now if you haven’t received the booster.

agreed...and I'm wondering now if I was at risk because of taking the J&J in March.  I probably should have gotten a booster in June instead of October.

Yes but I'm not sure a J and J booster is any less effective.  I think the J shot was less effective because it was only one dose and now they believe it should have been two.  So in theory a booster of J should be just as good as the others since they are all one shot,  smaller dose.

we got the moderna booster only because some news came out stating that J&J followed by Moderna resulted in slightly higher protection.

But yeah....people are hesitating to get the booster for whatever reason and we are seeing the result

lastexitlondon

We are  about  2 or 3 weeks ahead of usa on this.  Its  unbelievable  how many and how fast this  is happening  . Within days whole families  positive.  My family  so far are mainly vaxxed and mild to moderate.  But now some elders are getting  positive  . I will keep you posted of severity.  But o thought  delta spread fast . This is so much faster

Meltdown99

I love how these clowns running the show ask people like me (who have done everything I was asked to do) to keep doing more…here is a fucking idea…remove the unvaccinated  assholes from as much of society as possible…if those fuckers lose their jobs and end up in a box in an alley…that’s freedom…that’s their choice.