Viruses / Vaccines

mfc2006

So fucking sick of this shit. 

My company just required proof of vaccination starting on Monday. If you aren't vaxxed, you have to wear a mask. I have a feeling that some people will be fired by the end of the week.

HughFreakingDillon

Merkin Baller said:

There might be a lot more behind it than more people being out & about and abandoning their masks. 

https://donmoynihan.substack.com/p/fox-news-is-killing-us-here-are-the

excellent piece. thanks for sharing. that "sunset variation" was pretty ingenious, indeed. 

tempo_n_groove

Just looked up deaths this year.  we have already surpassed last years death here in the US.

I just don't understand that.  It's crazy.

80% are 65 and older.  It's like a virus was made to take out the elderly, holy shit...

My next thing to google is if the life expectancy in the US has decreased because of this.

Smellyman

mfc2006 said:

So fucking sick of this shit. 

My company just required proof of vaccination starting on Monday. If you aren't vaxxed, you have to wear a mask. I have a feeling that some people will be fired by the end of the week.

good

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

Just looked up deaths this year.  we have already surpassed last years death here in the US.

I just don't understand that.  It's crazy.

80% are 65 and older.  It's like a virus was made to take out the elderly, holy shit...

My next thing to google is if the life expectancy in the US has decreased because of this.

delta
republican governors refusing to keep up any sort of mandate (masks, social distancing, etc). 
pandemic exhaustion. I think a lot of people of all politics have grown complacent. 

mickeyrat

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Just looked up deaths this year.  we have already surpassed last years death here in the US.

I just don't understand that.  It's crazy.

80% are 65 and older.  It's like a virus was made to take out the elderly, holy shit...

My next thing to google is if the life expectancy in the US has decreased because of this.

delta
republican governors refusing to keep up any sort of mandate (masks, social distancing, etc). 
pandemic exhaustion. I think a lot of people of all politics have grown complacent. 

last year was really 9- 9 1/2 months of it. this year we are at 11 1/2 months as off today.

mfc2006

Smellyman said:

mfc2006 said:

So fucking sick of this shit. 

My company just required proof of vaccination starting on Monday. If you aren't vaxxed, you have to wear a mask. I have a feeling that some people will be fired by the end of the week.

good

Yup. There's a certain individual that hasn't shown up this week that I know hasn't been vaccinated and they should be replaced anyway because they simply don't do their job. I've known of her vaccine status, so I keep my office door shut and have told her repeatedly to put on a mask if she needs to talk to me. 

HughFreakingDillon

company of about 200 people. vaxx mandate went into effect Nov 26. Only one person has left the company since then. not sure if it was anti-vaxx or not, but it was a long term employee who was well respected. 

static111

"I don’t know how to put this in a way that will not make me sound flippant: No one cares. Literally speaking, I know that isn’t true, because if it were, the articles wouldn’t be commissioned. But outside the world inhabited by the professional and managerial classes in a handful of major metropolitan areas, many, if not most, Americans are leading their lives as if COVID is over, and they have been for a long while."

Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID - The Atlantic

I found this piece entertaining and it also falls in line with the thinking that I am seeing with more and more people.

tempo_n_groove

static111 said:

"I don’t know how to put this in a way that will not make me sound flippant: No one cares. Literally speaking, I know that isn’t true, because if it were, the articles wouldn’t be commissioned. But outside the world inhabited by the professional and managerial classes in a handful of major metropolitan areas, many, if not most, Americans are leading their lives as if COVID is over, and they have been for a long while."

Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID - The Atlantic

I found this piece entertaining and it also falls in line with the thinking that I am seeing with more and more people.

Where I live it's the same thing.

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

Just looked up deaths this year.  we have already surpassed last years death here in the US.

I just don't understand that.  It's crazy.

80% are 65 and older.  It's like a virus was made to take out the elderly, holy shit...

My next thing to google is if the life expectancy in the US has decreased because of this.

Yes it has.  First time since the war years that expectancy went down, if I recall properly.  

static111

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

"I don’t know how to put this in a way that will not make me sound flippant: No one cares. Literally speaking, I know that isn’t true, because if it were, the articles wouldn’t be commissioned. But outside the world inhabited by the professional and managerial classes in a handful of major metropolitan areas, many, if not most, Americans are leading their lives as if COVID is over, and they have been for a long while."

Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID - The Atlantic

I found this piece entertaining and it also falls in line with the thinking that I am seeing with more and more people.

Where I live it's the same thing.

I understand the sentiment, especially if you have been vaccinated and following the rules for the most part.  Lots of promising treatments and more therapeutic options available.  It really is a pandemic of the unvaccinated at this point and I am just as fed up with this as the next person.  We are never going to be completely safe from covid19. Do we ever get to a point where we just accept this or do we continue down this path even though we have been doing all the right things and the only people that seem to be at great risk are unvaccinated people of advancing age.

tempo_n_groove

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

"I don’t know how to put this in a way that will not make me sound flippant: No one cares. Literally speaking, I know that isn’t true, because if it were, the articles wouldn’t be commissioned. But outside the world inhabited by the professional and managerial classes in a handful of major metropolitan areas, many, if not most, Americans are leading their lives as if COVID is over, and they have been for a long while."

Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID - The Atlantic

I found this piece entertaining and it also falls in line with the thinking that I am seeing with more and more people.

Where I live it's the same thing.

I understand the sentiment, especially if you have been vaccinated and following the rules for the most part.  Lots of promising treatments and more therapeutic options available.  It really is a pandemic of the unvaccinated at this point and I am just as fed up with this as the next person.  We are never going to be completely safe from covid19. Do we ever get to a point where we just accept this or do we continue down this path even though we have been doing all the right things and the only people that seem to be at great risk are unvaccinated people of advancing age.

Another takeaway from that article is that he is going on w life like nothing is wrong too.  He  is living his life.  Doesn't sound like there is much caution.

He also mentions the risk of eating Kibbeh.  If you can try it, do.  One of my favorite things I've ever had from the Middle East.

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

"I don’t know how to put this in a way that will not make me sound flippant: No one cares. Literally speaking, I know that isn’t true, because if it were, the articles wouldn’t be commissioned. But outside the world inhabited by the professional and managerial classes in a handful of major metropolitan areas, many, if not most, Americans are leading their lives as if COVID is over, and they have been for a long while."

Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID - The Atlantic

I found this piece entertaining and it also falls in line with the thinking that I am seeing with more and more people.

Where I live it's the same thing.

I understand the sentiment, especially if you have been vaccinated and following the rules for the most part.  Lots of promising treatments and more therapeutic options available.  It really is a pandemic of the unvaccinated at this point and I am just as fed up with this as the next person.  We are never going to be completely safe from covid19. Do we ever get to a point where we just accept this or do we continue down this path even though we have been doing all the right things and the only people that seem to be at great risk are unvaccinated people of advancing age.

Another takeaway from that article is that he is going on w life like nothing is wrong too.  He  is living his life.  Doesn't sound like there is much caution.

He also mentions the risk of eating Kibbeh.  If you can try it, do.  One of my favorite things I've ever had from the Middle East.

My favorite part about that piece is how they had to resort to praying the rosary at home on Sundays because their church was shut down. 


Entertaining indeed. 

static111

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

"I don’t know how to put this in a way that will not make me sound flippant: No one cares. Literally speaking, I know that isn’t true, because if it were, the articles wouldn’t be commissioned. But outside the world inhabited by the professional and managerial classes in a handful of major metropolitan areas, many, if not most, Americans are leading their lives as if COVID is over, and they have been for a long while."

Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID - The Atlantic

I found this piece entertaining and it also falls in line with the thinking that I am seeing with more and more people.

Where I live it's the same thing.

I understand the sentiment, especially if you have been vaccinated and following the rules for the most part.  Lots of promising treatments and more therapeutic options available.  It really is a pandemic of the unvaccinated at this point and I am just as fed up with this as the next person.  We are never going to be completely safe from covid19. Do we ever get to a point where we just accept this or do we continue down this path even though we have been doing all the right things and the only people that seem to be at great risk are unvaccinated people of advancing age.

Another takeaway from that article is that he is going on w life like nothing is wrong too.  He  is living his life.  Doesn't sound like there is much caution.

He also mentions the risk of eating Kibbeh.  If you can try it, do.  One of my favorite things I've ever had from the Middle East.

Yeah the author is for sure a lot more cavalier than I am, but I completely understand.  Living in Texas I also see that the author's lifestyle is the dominant lifestyle out here.

  I love Kibbeh.  My uncle is Lebanese so I grew up eating loads of good middle eastern foods whenever the extended family got together.  The legend is that as a small child I would gorge on homemade baklava.

Gern Blansten

I recently found out that my ex business partner has been on a ventilator with Covid....going on about three weeks now I think

His wife had it at the same time but only required oxygen. She was released last Friday to home care with oxygen, etc.

He's 57....likely unvaxxed as he is a tRumpster

OnWis97

static111 said:

"I don’t know how to put this in a way that will not make me sound flippant: No one cares. Literally speaking, I know that isn’t true, because if it were, the articles wouldn’t be commissioned. But outside the world inhabited by the professional and managerial classes in a handful of major metropolitan areas, many, if not most, Americans are leading their lives as if COVID is over, and they have been for a long while."

Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID - The Atlantic

I found this piece entertaining and it also falls in line with the thinking that I am seeing with more and more people.

This is an incredibly articulate version of most of what we hear from anti-vaxers/maskers, etc. He even takes digs at people wearing masks in ways that don't impact him (i.e., a polished way of saying "you look STUPID with your mask on by yourself"). 

That all said, this probably is an overly generalized version of the truth. In general, people are ready to move on. We're burned out. We want to see people. We want to go grocery shopping without masks. Yeah, it's true, big cities are behind the Real America in this movement, but I do think there's an overall shift/fatigue/etc.

I probably would not get along with guy and his ability to be articulate just makes the "MAGA, bitches!" a bit more difficult to find. But he does provide some insight as to where a lot of people are. However, I think there's a split between vaccinations and the rest. Plenty of vaxxed people will continue to get vaxxed as recommended even if they've lost interest in whether it's a good idea to be unmasked around grandma or how many people should gather at Thanksgiving.

static111

OnWis97 said:

static111 said:

"I don’t know how to put this in a way that will not make me sound flippant: No one cares. Literally speaking, I know that isn’t true, because if it were, the articles wouldn’t be commissioned. But outside the world inhabited by the professional and managerial classes in a handful of major metropolitan areas, many, if not most, Americans are leading their lives as if COVID is over, and they have been for a long while."

Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID - The Atlantic

I found this piece entertaining and it also falls in line with the thinking that I am seeing with more and more people.

This is an incredibly articulate version of most of what we hear from anti-vaxers/maskers, etc. He even takes digs at people wearing masks in ways that don't impact him (i.e., a polished way of saying "you look STUPID with your mask on by yourself"). 

That all said, this probably is an overly generalized version of the truth. In general, people are ready to move on. We're burned out. We want to see people. We want to go grocery shopping without masks. Yeah, it's true, big cities are behind the Real America in this movement, but I do think there's an overall shift/fatigue/etc.

I probably would not get along with guy and his ability to be articulate just makes the "MAGA, bitches!" a bit more difficult to find. But he does provide some insight as to where a lot of people are. However, I think there's a split between vaccinations and the rest. Plenty of vaxxed people will continue to get vaxxed as recommended even if they've lost interest in whether it's a good idea to be unmasked around grandma or how many people should gather at Thanksgiving.

Lol nor would I

JB16057

So should we all put our lives on hold and just stay home? I see many people here complaining about how others act and how Republican governors should be doing more. I live in Washington state which is one of the most strict states when it comes to COVID. There are plenty of rules in place but guess what? They aren't being enforced! I went to Seattle to see The Eagles last month. Washington state requires everyone wear a mask indoors. Seattle(King County) requires proof of vaccination for indoor gatherings. There were between 16,000-17,000 people inside the Climate Pledge Arena. I was surprised when I didn't have to show proof of vaccination when I entered the building. When I entered I was asked to show my ticket to get into the concert. I had my vaccination card out and was ready to show it. I asked if I needed to show that and they told me that someone was supposed to check that outside(there was no one outside doing so). I was also surprised to see that 75% of people inside the arena were not wearing masks during the concert. I've watched plenty of Seattle sporting events on TV. They are outdoors but everyone is required to be wearing masks but the TV clearly shows that they aren't wearing them. Does the Governor, state, or city fine the Seattle Seahawks for not requiring masks? How about Climate Pledge Arena? Nope. How about the small ma and pa business? Yep. Washington goes after small businesses daily for breaking COVID rules but never the big companies or entities where it should matter the most!

At some point, society is going to have to make a decision to either stay locked up in their house or live their life. How does everyone feel about Eddie going on tour in smaller indoor venues? No doubt that some spread of COVID will happen at every one of his shows. Is it worth it? Where do you guys draw the line? From reading most of these comments, it sounds like you all want people to stay locked up in their houses but I don't see the outrage for events that have the potential of spreading this disease. I also don't see the outrage when Democratic Governors and states don't enforce their own rules.

To put this into perspective, I am vaccinated. I wear a mask when I am supposed to and I don't give anyone a hard time about having to do so. COVID will never go away. I personally know more people that were vaccinated and have died from COVID than people that were not vaccinated and died. To add to that, I also know more people that have committed suicide during this pandemic that have died from COVID. This is just my personal experience. I do believe we need to be cautious but I realize that COVID will be a thing for the rest of our lives just as the flu and colds are. Imagine if everyone in the United States was vaccinated. How much of a difference do you think this would really make when we have a world full of unvaccinated? Should we close all our borders and not allow anyone through? There are new reports stating that 40% of COVID cases have no symptoms which means the death rate percentage is much lower than what we are being told.

Did you ever think there's a reason why we've seen so many Democratic leaders create rules that require us to wear masks yet we've see plenty of photos proving they don't believe in their own rules? We've caught the PUSA doing this! If Democratic leaders believed in masks and social distancing, they would set a good example by following their own rules. They would also ensure these rules are being enforced by everyone, all the time.

brianlux

Gern Blansten said:

I recently found out that my ex business partner has been on a ventilator with Covid....going on about three weeks now I think

His wife had it at the same time but only required oxygen. She was released last Friday to home care with oxygen, etc.

He's 57....likely unvaxxed as he is a tRumpster

That's a bummer and I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with that because even of they both survive, they will probably have to suffer long-term difficult conditions.
That said, pretty much everyone has heard stories like this, and yet a certain percentage of the population insists on being anti-vacc even though the evidence is so strong that the vaccination will help prevent or at least lessen the affects of infection.  Why so many people want to play that kind of Russian Roulette is beyond me.