Deleted two long posts originally with evidence supporting harmful DEI practices. It’s wasted on these pages with an audience crying about maga evils when in fact aren’t all that different when evils caused by their ideologies are presented.
If DEI is being used as a vehicle for discrimination, DEI isn’t to blame; the abusers are. MAGA wasn’t hijacked and abused- MAGA is inherently evil in concept and delivery. DEI obviously isn’t.
It’s always privileged white people that whine when their privilege is challenged or removed.
WAH
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
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MAGA and progressive liberalism are definitely the same /s
I like this kind of logic. I mean, look, AOC and Trump have very similar priorities, so that alone indicates the closeness of MAGA and progressive liberal ideologies.
Which leads me to wonder what will be the next alternate-reality topic we will cover here?
If DEI is being used as a vehicle for discrimination, DEI isn’t to blame; the abusers are. MAGA wasn’t hijacked and abused- MAGA is inherently evil in concept and delivery. DEI obviously isn’t.
It’s always privileged white people that whine when their privilege is challenged or removed.
WAH
What the actual fuck. Feeding their families is not a privilege. Managers getting overridden on personnel decisions by executive leadership that has zero clue of day to day activities, while bragging about DEI initiatives to the public.
Talented people are getting fired for no reason and I am fuxkjng telling you there is significant evidence decisions are race based. But you know better because your ideas tell you so. You are no different than maga.
It’s great to be the smartest in the room. No, it can’t possibly your liberal racist views to blame.
MAGA and progressive liberalism are definitely the same /s
Take a clear look at the post after yours. Absolutely racist supporting comment. I can’t be right because I am speaking against liberal dogma.
You cannot accept something against your beliefs might be true, better to make sarcastic personal attack than question your perception of right vs wrong.
If DEI is being used as a vehicle for discrimination, DEI isn’t to blame; the abusers are. MAGA wasn’t hijacked and abused- MAGA is inherently evil in concept and delivery. DEI obviously isn’t.
It’s always privileged white people that whine when their privilege is challenged or removed.
WAH
What the actual fuck. Feeding their families is not a privilege. Managers getting overridden on personnel decisions by executive leadership that has zero clue of day to day activities, while bragging about DEI initiatives to the public.
Talented people are getting fired for no reason and I am fuxkjng telling you there is significant evidence decisions are race based. But you know better because your ideas tell you so. You are no different than maga.
It’s great to be the smartest in the room. No, it can’t possibly your liberal racist views to blame.
This place is a liberal cesspool.
uh, did you read? I said if it's being abused, yeah, THAT'S A PROBLEM. Try comprehension for once. Jeezus. But you refuse to actually read what people write because you just have this insatiable need to be right and a victim.
so, let me get this straight...wanting everyone to be treated equally, in spite of their race, which is what DEI really is, is racist?
hmmm...sounds like maga logic.
if talented people are being fired for no reason, that's a shitty executive/management team, not DEI. Just cuz someone says it's DEI, doesn't mean it is. It means they are abusing power and labelling it something it's not. And you're falling for it.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
MAGA and progressive liberalism are definitely the same /s
I like this kind of logic. I mean, look, AOC and Trump have very similar priorities, so that alone indicates the closeness of MAGA and progressive liberal ideologies.
Which leads me to wonder what will be the next alternate-reality topic we will cover here?
Bri, we have a long history of agreeing about policy, unfortunately 2 recent modifications in the last few years to democratic dogma…racist DEI policies and supporting Hamas ….is where I draw the line.
i posted factual information about how some in my personal circle suffered harm from DEI policies, and zero posters have engaged intellectually, and I get mocked for sharing facts. That one poster endlessly personally attacks almost every post, while never considering facts that his world view may not be correct on this topic. How is he and this place any different than trump?
MAGA and progressive liberalism are definitely the same /s
I like this kind of logic. I mean, look, AOC and Trump have very similar priorities, so that alone indicates the closeness of MAGA and progressive liberal ideologies.
Which leads me to wonder what will be the next alternate-reality topic we will cover here?
Bri, we have a long history of agreeing about policy, unfortunately 2 recent modifications in the last few years to democratic dogma…racist DEI policies and supporting Hamas ….is where I draw the line.
i posted factual information about how some in my personal circle suffered harm from DEI policies, and zero posters have engaged intellectually, and I get mocked for sharing facts. That one poster endlessly personally attacks almost every post, while never considering facts that his world view may not be correct on this topic. How is he and this place any different than trump?
what factual information? the "two longs posts" you deleted cuz we wouldn't get it?
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
Where are the headlines and the court cases of this overwhelming number of racist DEI firings? Where are these multitudes of white people, I’m assuming white people, who are being denied or losing jobs because of their race?
”Feeding their families is not a privilege?” What the fuck is that statement doing in there?
If DEI is being used as a vehicle for discrimination, DEI isn’t to blame; the abusers are. MAGA wasn’t hijacked and abused- MAGA is inherently evil in concept and delivery. DEI obviously isn’t.
It’s always privileged white people that whine when their privilege is challenged or removed.
WAH
What the actual fuck. Feeding their families is not a privilege. Managers getting overridden on personnel decisions by executive leadership that has zero clue of day to day activities, while bragging about DEI initiatives to the public.
Talented people are getting fired for no reason and I am fuxkjng telling you there is significant evidence decisions are race based. But you know better because your ideas tell you so. You are no different than maga.
It’s great to be the smartest in the room. No, it can’t possibly your liberal racist views to blame.
This place is a liberal cesspool.
If I and a DEI candidate were up for the same job, and found to be equally qualified - I'd be fine with the DEI candidate getting it. If I was found to be more qualified, but the DEI candidate got it - that's inappropriate in my opinion. Similarly, if I was found to be less qualified, but I got the job - that's inappropriate.
DEI should be about equality in opportunity, not a replacement for merit-based decisions. You seem to feel that that's happening (DEI being favoured over merit-based decisions). The extreme liberal stance might be that the mitigation of race-based hiring/firing decision is important enough that the exploitation by some is worth ignoring. Is there not room for an in-between, recognizing that DEI is a double-edged sword - acknowledging the necessity of the mission, but recognizing that it has room for exploitation that must be addressed, and actually putting those efforts in?
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If DEI is being used as a vehicle for discrimination, DEI isn’t to blame; the abusers are. MAGA wasn’t hijacked and abused- MAGA is inherently evil in concept and delivery. DEI obviously isn’t.
It’s always privileged white people that whine when their privilege is challenged or removed.
WAH
What the actual fuck. Feeding their families is not a privilege. Managers getting overridden on personnel decisions by executive leadership that has zero clue of day to day activities, while bragging about DEI initiatives to the public.
Talented people are getting fired for no reason and I am fuxkjng telling you there is significant evidence decisions are race based. But you know better because your ideas tell you so. You are no different than maga.
It’s great to be the smartest in the room. No, it can’t possibly your liberal racist views to blame.
This place is a liberal cesspool.
If I and a DEI candidate were up for the same job, and found to be equally qualified - I'd be fine with the DEI candidate getting it. If I was found to be more qualified, but the DEI candidate got it - that's inappropriate in my opinion. Similarly, if I was found to be less qualified, but I got the job - that's inappropriate.
DEI should be about equality in opportunity, not a replacement for merit-based decisions. You seem to feel that that's happening (DEI being favoured over merit-based decisions). The extreme liberal stance might be that the mitigation of race-based hiring/firing decision is important enough that the exploitation by some is worth ignoring. Is there not room for an in-between, recognizing that DEI is a double-edged sword - acknowledging the necessity of the mission, but recognizing that it has room for exploitation that must be addressed, and actually putting those efforts in?
what this guy said (as always, way more eloquently than I did)
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
MAGA and progressive liberalism are definitely the same /s
I like this kind of logic. I mean, look, AOC and Trump have very similar priorities, so that alone indicates the closeness of MAGA and progressive liberal ideologies.
Which leads me to wonder what will be the next alternate-reality topic we will cover here?
Bri, we have a long history of agreeing about policy, unfortunately 2 recent modifications in the last few years to democratic dogma…racist DEI policies and supporting Hamas ….is where I draw the line.
i posted factual information about how some in my personal circle suffered harm from DEI policies, and zero posters have engaged intellectually, and I get mocked for sharing facts. That one poster endlessly personally attacks almost every post, while never considering facts that his world view may not be correct on this topic. How is he and this place any different than trump?
what factual information? the "two longs posts" you deleted cuz we wouldn't get it?
To make assumptions the other side is lying, and always reply with attacks, that’s trumps playbook, and it’s done here endlessly.
Why should I post documentation supporting factual information, am I lying ? If my comments aren’t trusted neither would the support provided. Geez, one of the faithful even went to the lengths of mocking me by mocking molestation to personally attack. I am not posting opinions here. I am sharing facts and experiences and not one commenter is capable of considering that I am engaging honestly. I personally know people who have been targeted and harmed by executives bragging to the public of their DEI policies while overriding local managers and established policies on personnel decisions.
If DEI is being used as a vehicle for discrimination, DEI isn’t to blame; the abusers are. MAGA wasn’t hijacked and abused- MAGA is inherently evil in concept and delivery. DEI obviously isn’t.
It’s always privileged white people that whine when their privilege is challenged or removed.
WAH
What the actual fuck. Feeding their families is not a privilege. Managers getting overridden on personnel decisions by executive leadership that has zero clue of day to day activities, while bragging about DEI initiatives to the public.
Talented people are getting fired for no reason and I am fuxkjng telling you there is significant evidence decisions are race based. But you know better because your ideas tell you so. You are no different than maga.
It’s great to be the smartest in the room. No, it can’t possibly your liberal racist views to blame.
This place is a liberal cesspool.
If I and a DEI candidate were up for the same job, and found to be equally qualified - I'd be fine with the DEI candidate getting it. If I was found to be more qualified, but the DEI candidate got it - that's inappropriate in my opinion. Similarly, if I was found to be less qualified, but I got the job - that's inappropriate.
DEI should be about equality in opportunity, not a replacement for merit-based decisions. You seem to feel that that's happening (DEI being favoured over merit-based decisions). The extreme liberal stance might be that the mitigation of race-based hiring/firing decision is important enough that the exploitation by some is worth ignoring. Is there not room for an in-between, recognizing that DEI is a double-edged sword - acknowledging the necessity of the mission, but recognizing that it has room for exploitation that must be addressed, and actually putting those efforts in?
Decisions should be merit or budget based when deciding who to fire.
MAGA and progressive liberalism are definitely the same /s
I like this kind of logic. I mean, look, AOC and Trump have very similar priorities, so that alone indicates the closeness of MAGA and progressive liberal ideologies.
Which leads me to wonder what will be the next alternate-reality topic we will cover here?
Bri, we have a long history of agreeing about policy, unfortunately 2 recent modifications in the last few years to democratic dogma…racist DEI policies and supporting Hamas ….is where I draw the line.
i posted factual information about how some in my personal circle suffered harm from DEI policies, and zero posters have engaged intellectually, and I get mocked for sharing facts. That one poster endlessly personally attacks almost every post, while never considering facts that his world view may not be correct on this topic. How is he and this place any different than trump?
what factual information? the "two longs posts" you deleted cuz we wouldn't get it?
To make assumptions the other side is lying, and always reply with attacks, that’s trumps playbook, and it’s done here endlessly.
Why should I post documentation supporting factual information, am I lying ? If my comments aren’t trusted neither would the support provided. Geez, one of the faithful even went to the lengths of mocking me by mocking molestation to personally attack. I am not posting opinions here. I am sharing facts and experiences and not one commenter is capable of considering that I am engaging honestly. I personally know people who have been targeted and harmed by executives bragging to the public of their DEI policies while overriding local managers and established policies on personnel decisions.
these policies can be dangerous and harmful.
no, I mean I don't know what you're referring to when you say you posted factual information. I looked and didn't see any posts that you are referring to.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
"I personally know people" is not a basis for disparaging a concept in general. As I stated previously, of course there are those that abuse their power and often use certain initiatives as their reasoning. Doesn't mean the initiatives are to blame-it means the asshole applying them incorrectly is. Not sure why that's so hard to understand, but no, it's my "liberal world view". No, it's reality. That shit happens all the time.
I don't think you're lying, not sure why you'd go there. I just didn't see what claims you were even making.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
If DEI is being used as a vehicle for discrimination, DEI isn’t to blame; the abusers are. MAGA wasn’t hijacked and abused- MAGA is inherently evil in concept and delivery. DEI obviously isn’t.
It’s always privileged white people that whine when their privilege is challenged or removed.
WAH
What the actual fuck. Feeding their families is not a privilege. Managers getting overridden on personnel decisions by executive leadership that has zero clue of day to day activities, while bragging about DEI initiatives to the public.
Talented people are getting fired for no reason and I am fuxkjng telling you there is significant evidence decisions are race based. But you know better because your ideas tell you so. You are no different than maga.
It’s great to be the smartest in the room. No, it can’t possibly your liberal racist views to blame.
This place is a liberal cesspool.
If I and a DEI candidate were up for the same job, and found to be equally qualified - I'd be fine with the DEI candidate getting it. If I was found to be more qualified, but the DEI candidate got it - that's inappropriate in my opinion. Similarly, if I was found to be less qualified, but I got the job - that's inappropriate.
DEI should be about equality in opportunity, not a replacement for merit-based decisions. You seem to feel that that's happening (DEI being favoured over merit-based decisions). The extreme liberal stance might be that the mitigation of race-based hiring/firing decision is important enough that the exploitation by some is worth ignoring. Is there not room for an in-between, recognizing that DEI is a double-edged sword - acknowledging the necessity of the mission, but recognizing that it has room for exploitation that must be addressed, and actually putting those efforts in?
Decisions should be merit or budget based when deciding who to fire.
100%.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
I'll explain it this way: if there's a law on the books, and if a cop abuses his authority, citing that law, do you demand the law be changed, or the cop be held accountable for his abuse? The choice is obvious to me.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
MAGA and progressive liberalism are definitely the same /s
I like this kind of logic. I mean, look, AOC and Trump have very similar priorities, so that alone indicates the closeness of MAGA and progressive liberal ideologies.
Which leads me to wonder what will be the next alternate-reality topic we will cover here?
Bri, we have a long history of agreeing about policy, unfortunately 2 recent modifications in the last few years to democratic dogma…racist DEI policies and supporting Hamas ….is where I draw the line.
i posted factual information about how some in my personal circle suffered harm from DEI policies, and zero posters have engaged intellectually, and I get mocked for sharing facts. That one poster endlessly personally attacks almost every post, while never considering facts that his world view may not be correct on this topic. How is he and this place any different than trump?
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Just realized I was called “no different than trump”. By the whiner who keeps crying about personal attacks.
Hahahaha
if you have views that are so righteous why do you consistently make it personal? Set up a new ID and post moderate or slightly conservative views on a few topics. enjoy the replies you receive. personal attacks and straw man arguments yes that’s 100% maga playbook. And to think it’s funny, that’s where the humor lies.
My two main conservative views are DEI is a form of reverse racism and United States does not support terrorist organizations, for that I get mocked with absurdities like child molestation. These were perfectly liberal views ten years ago. And to get Blamed for the needless deaths the Middle East, when that’s Palestinians doing nothing more than harming themselves, had they not invaded a sovereign nation This bloodshed would not have occurred.
Just realized I was called “no different than trump”. By the whiner who keeps crying about personal attacks.
Hahahaha
if you have views that are so righteous why do you consistently make it personal? Set up a new ID and post moderate or slightly conservative views on a few topics. enjoy the replies you receive. personal attacks and straw man arguments yes that’s 100% maga playbook. And to think it’s funny, that’s where the humor lies.
My two main conservative views are DEI is a form of reverse racism and United States does not support terrorist organizations, for that I get mocked with absurdities like child molestation. These were perfectly liberal views ten years ago. And to get Blamed for the needless deaths the Middle East, when that’s Palestinians doing nothing more than harming themselves, had they not invaded a sovereign nation This bloodshed would not have occurred.
It's not a foregone conclusion that DEI initiatives are a form of reverse racism.
On the Middle East, I don't know what can be said anymore other than that the conversation now is the same one that's been had before, and will be had again. People keep putting the same ingredients in and expecting other results. Is this cycle of causality incorrect?
Palestinians are dissatisfied with their lives in Gaza + Hamas has a rule over Palestinians -> World criticizes Israel's participation in the worsening of Palestinian lives -> Hamas wants to capitalize on global outcry and is responsible for a terrorist event in Israel -> Israel responds in a way disproportionate to the offence with permanent damage to infrastructure + Hamas cowardly hide behind the population -> Hamas is weakened, promises peace -> Palestinians are more dissatisfied with their lives in Gaza + Hamas has a rule over Palestinians (repeat chorus)
Personally the “reverse racism” argument falls flat when the one aspect of the culture that is so overwhelmingly dominant is the one claiming it, as they were the ones who set up the systemic hurdles keeping women and people of color from these roles (among everything else). I mean, it’s just a form of punching down.
I get that you have some anecdotal evidence of DEI unfairly affecting some folk, but without DEI initiatives I’m sure there are more folks with anecdotal evidence about being unfairly affected.
Personally the “reverse racism” argument falls flat when the one aspect of the culture that is so overwhelmingly dominant is the one claiming it, as they were the ones who set up the systemic hurdles keeping women and people of color from these roles (among everything else). I mean, it’s just a form of punching down.
I get that you have some anecdotal evidence of DEI unfairly affecting some folk, but without DEI initiatives I’m sure there are more folks with anecdotal evidence about being unfairly affected.
You are making things up to support racist policies that significantly hurt democrats more than anything else at the polls. “Anecdotally “ it would be 100% better for companies to use budget as a stated reason for layoffs instead of a contrived fabricated process making it appear as if it’s performance related (which makes it damaging to the victims) while execs unrelated to the day to day overrule local managers then separately brag about a diverse workforce to the media. If it’s performance related, how would the execs even know if they are overriding existing performance documentation?
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This place is a liberal cesspool.
hope it’s comfy in your safe space.
so, let me get this straight...wanting everyone to be treated equally, in spite of their race, which is what DEI really is, is racist?
hmmm...sounds like maga logic.
if talented people are being fired for no reason, that's a shitty executive/management team, not DEI. Just cuz someone says it's DEI, doesn't mean it is. It means they are abusing power and labelling it something it's not. And you're falling for it.
”Feeding their families is not a privilege?” What the fuck is that statement doing in there?
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must be DEI. had nothing to do with the company's direction/performance. couldn't be.
when you have someone blaming democrats for russia invading Ukraine, nothing can really be taken seriously.
If I and a DEI candidate were up for the same job, and found to be equally qualified - I'd be fine with the DEI candidate getting it. If I was found to be more qualified, but the DEI candidate got it - that's inappropriate in my opinion. Similarly, if I was found to be less qualified, but I got the job - that's inappropriate.
DEI should be about equality in opportunity, not a replacement for merit-based decisions. You seem to feel that that's happening (DEI being favoured over merit-based decisions). The extreme liberal stance might be that the mitigation of race-based hiring/firing decision is important enough that the exploitation by some is worth ignoring. Is there not room for an in-between, recognizing that DEI is a double-edged sword - acknowledging the necessity of the mission, but recognizing that it has room for exploitation that must be addressed, and actually putting those efforts in?
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these policies can be dangerous and harmful.
Why aren’t the people that you refer to having their day in court and allowing the court to decide that what you claim is true?
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I don't think you're lying, not sure why you'd go there. I just didn't see what claims you were even making.
yes or no.
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You’re right, you can’t make this shit up. Court for thee but not for me, ‘bout sums it up, eh?
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My two main conservative views are DEI is a form of reverse racism and United States does not support terrorist organizations, for that I get mocked with absurdities like child molestation. These were perfectly liberal views ten years ago. And to get Blamed for the needless deaths the Middle East, when that’s Palestinians doing nothing more than harming themselves, had they not invaded a sovereign nation This bloodshed would not have occurred.
On the Middle East, I don't know what can be said anymore other than that the conversation now is the same one that's been had before, and will be had again. People keep putting the same ingredients in and expecting other results. Is this cycle of causality incorrect?
Palestinians are dissatisfied with their lives in Gaza + Hamas has a rule over Palestinians ->
World criticizes Israel's participation in the worsening of Palestinian lives ->
Hamas wants to capitalize on global outcry and is responsible for a terrorist event in Israel ->
Israel responds in a way disproportionate to the offence with permanent damage to infrastructure + Hamas cowardly hide behind the population ->
Hamas is weakened, promises peace ->
Palestinians are more dissatisfied with their lives in Gaza + Hamas has a rule over Palestinians (repeat chorus)
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I get that you have some anecdotal evidence of DEI unfairly affecting some folk, but without DEI initiatives I’m sure there are more folks with anecdotal evidence about being unfairly affected.