WOKE

Tim Simmons

HughFreakingDillon

Woke war criminal hahahaha. Can't wait to see that bullshit get traction with the maga moron crowd

Bentleyspop

Tim Simmons said:

Joe Wilson better be carefull with that rhetoric. People who speak out against putin tend to get disappeared. 

mace1229

Tim Simmons said:

His explanation is basically what Woke was defined as before it was co-opted by conservatives as a lazy cynical catch all for “stuff i don’t like”. 

Using "woke" wasn't a good choice for them, because it wasn't used for everything, bust mostly targeting the over-the-top PC reaction to the current culture. 
Like forcing so many diversity trainings in public schools. The reaction to the garage pull that was a noose in Nascar and calling in the FBI, and around that same time a ninja course in a public park was taken down because the rope handles looked too much like a noose. The harsh criticism for anyone who initially questioned Jussie Smollet when his story didn't make sense. That sort of thing. The textbook definition of "woke" has a positive appeal, so calling someone too woke wasn't a good strategy, they should have come up with another word. 

OnWis97

What a strange tweet. The GOP loves Putin in no small part because he and his country are so un-woke.

I don't know, maybe there's an opporunity to label Hitler a woke war criminal and MAGA will start hating him again.

Tim Simmons

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

His explanation is basically what Woke was defined as before it was co-opted by conservatives as a lazy cynical catch all for “stuff i don’t like”. 

Using "woke" wasn't a good choice for them, because it wasn't used for everything, bust mostly targeting the over-the-top PC reaction to the current culture. 
Like forcing so many diversity trainings in public schools. The reaction to the garage pull that was a noose in Nascar and calling in the FBI, and around that same time a ninja course in a public park was taken down because the rope handles looked too much like a noose. The harsh criticism for anyone who initially questioned Jussie Smollet when his story didn't make sense. That sort of thing. The textbook definition of "woke" has a positive appeal, so calling someone too woke wasn't a good strategy, they should have come up with another word. 

It was a good choice if you wanted the minimize what was motivating the original movement behind “Be/Stay Woke” and to weaponize some sort of catch all amorphous bastardization for people who had no understanding of a colloquialism. 

But to your broader point, I do think it’s worth reflecting on why people were feeling so alarmed, where diversity trainings, sensitivity levels and and a gross lie were happening. 

mickeyrat

Merkin Baller

Tim Simmons said:

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

His explanation is basically what Woke was defined as before it was co-opted by conservatives as a lazy cynical catch all for “stuff i don’t like”. 

Using "woke" wasn't a good choice for them, because it wasn't used for everything, bust mostly targeting the over-the-top PC reaction to the current culture. 
Like forcing so many diversity trainings in public schools. The reaction to the garage pull that was a noose in Nascar and calling in the FBI, and around that same time a ninja course in a public park was taken down because the rope handles looked too much like a noose. The harsh criticism for anyone who initially questioned Jussie Smollet when his story didn't make sense. That sort of thing. The textbook definition of "woke" has a positive appeal, so calling someone too woke wasn't a good strategy, they should have come up with another word. 

It was a good choice if you wanted the minimize what was motivating the original movement behind “Be/Stay Woke” and to weaponize some sort of catch all amorphous bastardization for people who had no understanding of a colloquialism. 

But to your broader point, I do think it’s worth reflecting on why people were feeling so alarmed, where diversity trainings, sensitivity levels and and a gross lie were happening. 

Well said. 

mickeyrat

kids. playing music.

https://www.threads.net/@60minutes/post/DHOOtiwxNZO?xmt=AQGz3uzgWLcnQdititQIxfKTWKvedwPkE71pOqVnYU8lSw

Young musicians’ dreams were dashed when the U.S. Marine Band followed orders to cancel a concert featuring middle and high school students of color, a result of the Trump administration’s executive order banning DEI initiatives. 60 Minutes, Sunday.

Lerxst1992

mickeyrat said:

kids. playing music.

https://www.threads.net/@60minutes/post/DHOOtiwxNZO?xmt=AQGz3uzgWLcnQdititQIxfKTWKvedwPkE71pOqVnYU8lSw

Young musicians’ dreams were dashed when the U.S. Marine Band followed orders to cancel a concert featuring middle and high school students of color, a result of the Trump administration’s executive order banning DEI initiatives. 60 Minutes, Sunday.

Would it surprise you to learn that many are harmed by “DEI initiatives?” 

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

kids. playing music.

https://www.threads.net/@60minutes/post/DHOOtiwxNZO?xmt=AQGz3uzgWLcnQdititQIxfKTWKvedwPkE71pOqVnYU8lSw

Young musicians’ dreams were dashed when the U.S. Marine Band followed orders to cancel a concert featuring middle and high school students of color, a result of the Trump administration’s executive order banning DEI initiatives. 60 Minutes, Sunday.

Would it surprise you to learn that many are harmed by “DEI initiatives?” 

Who are these many harmed?

Tim Simmons

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

kids. playing music.

https://www.threads.net/@60minutes/post/DHOOtiwxNZO?xmt=AQGz3uzgWLcnQdititQIxfKTWKvedwPkE71pOqVnYU8lSw

Young musicians’ dreams were dashed when the U.S. Marine Band followed orders to cancel a concert featuring middle and high school students of color, a result of the Trump administration’s executive order banning DEI initiatives. 60 Minutes, Sunday.

Would it surprise you to learn that many are harmed by “DEI initiatives?” 

Who are these many harmed?

How many white men we got? 

HughFreakingDillon

I am a straight white male. 

I was recently passed over for what I suspect may have been a DEI advancement. Not that he wasn’t qualified, but i do think it’s entirely possible, given many factors I won’t reveal on a public forum, that we were so evenly matched, HR “encouraged” our management to choose him. 

Am I upset? Do I feel like a victim? No and no. Why not? Because I know that DEI isn’t about appearance or colour of skin for optics. It’s about diversifying your team to bring in different cultures, beliefs, upbringings, because this strengthens your team’s capabilities with different ideas and ways of doing things. 

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

I am a straight white male. 

I was recently passed over for what I suspect may have been a DEI advancement. Not that he wasn’t qualified, but i do think it’s entirely possible, given many factors I won’t reveal on a public forum, that we were so evenly matched, HR “encouraged” our management to choose him. 

Am I upset? Do I feel like a victim? No and no. Why not? Because I know that DEI isn’t about appearance or colour of skin for optics. It’s about diversifying your team to bring in different cultures, beliefs, upbringings, because this strengthens your team’s capabilities with different ideas and ways of doing things. 

But it’s not always the case. Diversity is often just color, sex etc and then end up with all the same people in corporate.

I personally dislike many DEI hiring initiatives. I love DEI training initiatives and think everyone should take more training on implicit bias etc.

I dislike that we in the US have traded so many merit scholarships for DEI and need based. It’s certainly not how I would run my university.

i think is dumb to dismiss people being hurt from DEI (not you specifically) and I think it’s dumb to think they are all hurting someone.  I feel a correction was needed but not wholesale changes that are basically encouraging discrimination, racism and sexism. 

Halifax2TheMax

Do you think Lorena Bobbitt could benefit from DEI training? Anyone?

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I am a straight white male. 

I was recently passed over for what I suspect may have been a DEI advancement. Not that he wasn’t qualified, but i do think it’s entirely possible, given many factors I won’t reveal on a public forum, that we were so evenly matched, HR “encouraged” our management to choose him. 

Am I upset? Do I feel like a victim? No and no. Why not? Because I know that DEI isn’t about appearance or colour of skin for optics. It’s about diversifying your team to bring in different cultures, beliefs, upbringings, because this strengthens your team’s capabilities with different ideas and ways of doing things. 

But it’s not always the case. Diversity is often just color, sex etc and then end up with all the same people in corporate.

I personally dislike many DEI hiring initiatives. I love DEI training initiatives and think everyone should take more training on implicit bias etc.

I dislike that we in the US have traded so many merit scholarships for DEI and need based. It’s certainly not how I would run my university.

i think is dumb to dismiss people being hurt from DEI (not you specifically) and I think it’s dumb to think they are all hurting someone.  I feel a correction was needed but not wholesale changes that are basically encouraging discrimination, racism and sexism. 

They weren’t hurt by DEI. They were hurt by a moron applying ut incorrectly. People co-opt and corrupt ideas all the time. 

We too often take the short sighted approach and apply immediate blame, which is easy and lazy. And this is what Trump does ad nauseum. And his idiots believe him, because it takes zero critical thought. 

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I am a straight white male. 

I was recently passed over for what I suspect may have been a DEI advancement. Not that he wasn’t qualified, but i do think it’s entirely possible, given many factors I won’t reveal on a public forum, that we were so evenly matched, HR “encouraged” our management to choose him. 

Am I upset? Do I feel like a victim? No and no. Why not? Because I know that DEI isn’t about appearance or colour of skin for optics. It’s about diversifying your team to bring in different cultures, beliefs, upbringings, because this strengthens your team’s capabilities with different ideas and ways of doing things. 

But it’s not always the case. Diversity is often just color, sex etc and then end up with all the same people in corporate.

I personally dislike many DEI hiring initiatives. I love DEI training initiatives and think everyone should take more training on implicit bias etc.

I dislike that we in the US have traded so many merit scholarships for DEI and need based. It’s certainly not how I would run my university.

i think is dumb to dismiss people being hurt from DEI (not you specifically) and I think it’s dumb to think they are all hurting someone.  I feel a correction was needed but not wholesale changes that are basically encouraging discrimination, racism and sexism. 

They weren’t hurt by DEI. They were hurt by a moron applying ut incorrectly. People co-opt and corrupt ideas all the time. 

We too often take the short sighted approach and apply immediate blame, which is easy and lazy. And this is what Trump does ad nauseum. And his idiots believe him, because it takes zero critical thought. 

So - I kinda agree with your first sentence but there were a significant # of morons though in my experience.  Often, what I have seen, it's lead to pockets of "diversity".  Meaning people hiring and promoting people that look like them and they weren't white males.  When I see that, it bothers me.  Cause it is exactly the issue of implicit bias just now being played by a different race, sex, etc.

I do think hiring diversity of thought is great.  I think too many lazy people think this just means something I can see

I agree 100% with your second thought.  

HughFreakingDillon

Unfortunately overcorrection is part of the process. A correction needs to be made…people take it too far…pushback occurs…hopefully land where it should have in the first place. 

Trump was an overcorrection. I’m hoping we land on normalcy in 2028. 

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

Unfortunately overcorrection is part of the process. A correction needs to be made…people take it too far…pushback occurs…hopefully land where it should have in the first place. 

Trump was an overcorrection. I’m hoping we land on normalcy in 2028. 

I agree 

mickeyrat

mickeyrat

PJ_Soul

So I had no clue which thread i should mention this in, since I don't think there is a thread for actual good news anymore. But a story that has weirdly been off the radar recently is the fact that Harvard has decided to give free tuition to students whose families make less than $200K/year, and an actual full ride (so living expenses as well) to students whose families makes less than $100K/year.

I think this is the first good news story coming out of the US for a while! I am so pleased about it. Harvard clearly sees that there is a huge problem with spoiled rich kids filling up the school at this point. I'm sure that the middle class kids come in as much harder workers in general.

mickeyrat

PJ_Soul said:

So I had no clue which thread i should mention this in, since I don't think there is a thread for actual good news anymore. But a story that has weirdly been off the radar recently is the fact that Harvard has decided to give free tuition to students whose families make less than $200K/year, and an actual full ride (so living expenses as well) to students whose families makes less than $100K/year.

I think this is the first good news story coming out of the US for a while! I am so pleased about it. Harvard clearly sees that there is a huge problem with spoiled rich kids filling up the school at this point. I'm sure that the middle class kids come in as much harder workers in general.

there IS  a good news thread. blux started it a long time ago..

.

Lerxst1992

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I am a straight white male. 

I was recently passed over for what I suspect may have been a DEI advancement. Not that he wasn’t qualified, but i do think it’s entirely possible, given many factors I won’t reveal on a public forum, that we were so evenly matched, HR “encouraged” our management to choose him. 

Am I upset? Do I feel like a victim? No and no. Why not? Because I know that DEI isn’t about appearance or colour of skin for optics. It’s about diversifying your team to bring in different cultures, beliefs, upbringings, because this strengthens your team’s capabilities with different ideas and ways of doing things. 

But it’s not always the case. Diversity is often just color, sex etc and then end up with all the same people in corporate.

I personally dislike many DEI hiring initiatives. I love DEI training initiatives and think everyone should take more training on implicit bias etc.

I dislike that we in the US have traded so many merit scholarships for DEI and need based. It’s certainly not how I would run my university.

i think is dumb to dismiss people being hurt from DEI (not you specifically) and I think it’s dumb to think they are all hurting someone.  I feel a correction was needed but not wholesale changes that are basically encouraging discrimination, racism and sexism. 

The commenters supporting DEI discrimination are completely missing the point of my earlier post.  It’s not about choosing which candidate is best for an open position.


it is about corporate leadership publicly claiming they are “behind on diversity workforce targets” on earnings related calls and then creating a reorganization ( after claiming record profits for multiple years) and then FIRING  white male WORKERS WITH EXCELLENT PERFORMANCE REVIEWS in a specialized field and using remote office tactics to bring in out of town DEI replacement workers as part of a “reorganization.” 

Tim Simmons

So cost savings in pursuit of profit? 

mickeyrat

show us on the doll where DEI touched you.....

Gern Blansten

Lerxst1992 said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I am a straight white male. 

I was recently passed over for what I suspect may have been a DEI advancement. Not that he wasn’t qualified, but i do think it’s entirely possible, given many factors I won’t reveal on a public forum, that we were so evenly matched, HR “encouraged” our management to choose him. 

Am I upset? Do I feel like a victim? No and no. Why not? Because I know that DEI isn’t about appearance or colour of skin for optics. It’s about diversifying your team to bring in different cultures, beliefs, upbringings, because this strengthens your team’s capabilities with different ideas and ways of doing things. 

But it’s not always the case. Diversity is often just color, sex etc and then end up with all the same people in corporate.

I personally dislike many DEI hiring initiatives. I love DEI training initiatives and think everyone should take more training on implicit bias etc.

I dislike that we in the US have traded so many merit scholarships for DEI and need based. It’s certainly not how I would run my university.

i think is dumb to dismiss people being hurt from DEI (not you specifically) and I think it’s dumb to think they are all hurting someone.  I feel a correction was needed but not wholesale changes that are basically encouraging discrimination, racism and sexism. 

The commenters supporting DEI discrimination are completely missing the point of my earlier post.  It’s not about choosing which candidate is best for an open position.


it is about corporate leadership publicly claiming they are “behind on diversity workforce targets” on earnings related calls and then creating a reorganization ( after claiming record profits for multiple years) and then FIRING  white male WORKERS WITH EXCELLENT PERFORMANCE REVIEWS in a specialized field and using remote office tactics to bring in out of town DEI replacement workers as part of a “reorganization.” 

Isn't this true in any workplace? There is always someone that thinks they are the best but they really aren't. Excellent performance reviews don't mean shit if you are a dick.

Lerxst1992

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Lerxst1992

Deleted two long posts originally with evidence supporting harmful DEI practices. It’s wasted on these pages with an audience crying about maga evils when in fact aren’t all that different when evils caused by their ideologies are presented.