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tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

On topic, using woke quotas to determine who gets hired and fired,

“The US population in 2021 was approximately 49.1% male and 50.9% female. Whites made up 59.3% of the total population while Hispanics made up 18.9%, Blacks 12.6% and Asians 5.9%, and other races the balance.

Questions to anyone who wants to respond:

What is wrong with this approach?”


…

Simplified Example, A company has half union and half management. Union jobs require strenuous labor, and extremely difficult for women to perform.

as a result, the union staff is roughly 99% male.


to achieve overall 50% female employment quota to sell to its investors and politically aligned organizations, for management non union jobs, all men have nearly zero percent of getting hired or retaining their job in a reorganization. Fake company is looking to not disclose that the union is almost all male to the public, so to tell the public their diversity matches “society” they need to make up its numbers somehow.

this is promoting stereotypes that women stay indoors to do women desk work and men must do arduous labor if they want to work there. And quotas are wrong, period. This is an oversimplified example but decisions like this absolutely happen in public companies that release their employment strategies publicly. It’s racism, bigoted, and not American, where skill and ability should  match capitalist ideals. And why the right and center right are strongly fighting this bastardization of American ideals.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

A company that has a one to one ratio of management and employees wouldn't be a company as they wouldn't be able to compete. With such a ratio, clearly management sucks and needs to be replaced.

We were discussing a specific company, United, and a specific type of skilled employee, pilots, as brought into and referenced in the conversation. That was the example I used, not some made up, pretend union company with a one to one ratio of management to employees.

Based on the bolded part, that comment clearly does not understand the basics of management vs union employees. 

In addition to supervisors of union workers who are likely non union, management employees in a union shop usually includes, Marketing, HR, Legal, M and A, Finance, Treasury, Risk Management. And on and on. Can easily be 50% of an employer with unions. This is where large DEI employers make their quotas, because they are at will employees. Unions they can’t touch with quotas. An airline has minimal hard labor, so it’s possibly easier to staff pilots, plane and gate attendants with DEI hires into their unions. Except the pilots. Imagine a company where half is specialized labor like pilots. Difficult to cook the books in that case. Which is what DEI is after all.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

To the bold in your attempt to move the goal posts again. These are not “management” positions. They could be union or non-union but they’re not “management.” On and on in your imagination.

Please do try to stay on topic. The example is pilots at United Airlines. One category of skilled labor at one US based company. 

Just because you don’t understand the basics of employment classifications at large publicly owned employers is no reason to make accusations. These are the companies that are largely into gender and race based quotas.

large employers refer to management employees usually as those who are full time and not eligible for union membership, including the examples provided earlier. These are usually exempt employees, exempt from minimum wage and overtime rules. An entry level corporate attorney or treasury analyst who supervises no one are examples of management employees but do not supervise anyone.

It does not refer specifically to direct management of another, rather an employee representing the interests of management. Regarding your airline, any hiring decision using race and gender quotas even as a supplement to a skills analysis is immoral. To look at your percentages is wrong at face. Forget the drummer,  let’s sack Eddie and insert a black female singer, because that’ll create the right percentage mix, according to your politics. Makes perfect sense. /s.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Back to the United example, and it’d be nice if you’d stay on topic, they’re not “sacking” existing employees in favor of women and minorities but rather, setting hiring goals for future hires, from a pool of candidates that meet their requirements and qualifications to be pilots. Everyone in the pool is qualified, regardless of race, gender and/or ethnicity.

Nobody sacked Matt. He quit. The rest of the band could decide to hire a black female who is transgender and identifies as male. Poor white male drummers would lose out. Same if Eddie quit. If PJ wanted to continue, the rest of the band could hire a Hispanic woman lead singer. Poor white males would lose out. Nice attempt at moving the goal posts. Again.

If you’re so certain that publicly traded companies are firing white males and replacing them with their quotas of women and minorities, why don’t you link or identify any of them? Same with the SEC filings, link to this public information that just shouts immorality. Why can’t you post anything more than AI generated it could be this, it could be that, I think I saw a yellow cat?

No one said they were firing anyone.  Never saw that written or spoken about.  What was/is happening is people were being passed over in favor of those quotas.

Your analogy for Matt is off also.  You can pick a wide array of drummers that are trained but did not pass a certification course for their profession as a percussionist.

The pilots on the other hand did.

Lerxst1992

That’s a terrific example, but corporate America is on a three month timeline and needs to meet its goals quickly. No time to wait for quitters. That’s why my simplified examples are trying to mimic a corporate reorg with strict diversity goals that need to be reached soon. Sorry “Ed,” you’re out. We need to make up for 35 years of no diversity. Got quotas to meet.
/s

 

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

That’s a terrific example, but corporate America is on a three month timeline and needs to meet its goals quickly. No time to wait for quitters. That’s why my simplified examples are trying to mimic a corporate reorg with strict diversity goals that need to be reached soon. Sorry “Ed,” you’re out. We need to make up for 35 years of no diversity. Got quotas to meet.
/s

 

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

And still no links to the great immorality.

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

On topic, using woke quotas to determine who gets hired and fired,

“The US population in 2021 was approximately 49.1% male and 50.9% female. Whites made up 59.3% of the total population while Hispanics made up 18.9%, Blacks 12.6% and Asians 5.9%, and other races the balance.

Questions to anyone who wants to respond:

What is wrong with this approach?”


…

Simplified Example, A company has half union and half management. Union jobs require strenuous labor, and extremely difficult for women to perform.

as a result, the union staff is roughly 99% male.


to achieve overall 50% female employment quota to sell to its investors and politically aligned organizations, for management non union jobs, all men have nearly zero percent of getting hired or retaining their job in a reorganization. Fake company is looking to not disclose that the union is almost all male to the public, so to tell the public their diversity matches “society” they need to make up its numbers somehow.

this is promoting stereotypes that women stay indoors to do women desk work and men must do arduous labor if they want to work there. And quotas are wrong, period. This is an oversimplified example but decisions like this absolutely happen in public companies that release their employment strategies publicly. It’s racism, bigoted, and not American, where skill and ability should  match capitalist ideals. And why the right and center right are strongly fighting this bastardization of American ideals.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

A company that has a one to one ratio of management and employees wouldn't be a company as they wouldn't be able to compete. With such a ratio, clearly management sucks and needs to be replaced.

We were discussing a specific company, United, and a specific type of skilled employee, pilots, as brought into and referenced in the conversation. That was the example I used, not some made up, pretend union company with a one to one ratio of management to employees.

Based on the bolded part, that comment clearly does not understand the basics of management vs union employees. 

In addition to supervisors of union workers who are likely non union, management employees in a union shop usually includes, Marketing, HR, Legal, M and A, Finance, Treasury, Risk Management. And on and on. Can easily be 50% of an employer with unions. This is where large DEI employers make their quotas, because they are at will employees. Unions they can’t touch with quotas. An airline has minimal hard labor, so it’s possibly easier to staff pilots, plane and gate attendants with DEI hires into their unions. Except the pilots. Imagine a company where half is specialized labor like pilots. Difficult to cook the books in that case. Which is what DEI is after all.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

To the bold in your attempt to move the goal posts again. These are not “management” positions. They could be union or non-union but they’re not “management.” On and on in your imagination.

Please do try to stay on topic. The example is pilots at United Airlines. One category of skilled labor at one US based company. 

Just because you don’t understand the basics of employment classifications at large publicly owned employers is no reason to make accusations. These are the companies that are largely into gender and race based quotas.

large employers refer to management employees usually as those who are full time and not eligible for union membership, including the examples provided earlier. These are usually exempt employees, exempt from minimum wage and overtime rules. An entry level corporate attorney or treasury analyst who supervises no one are examples of management employees but do not supervise anyone.

It does not refer specifically to direct management of another, rather an employee representing the interests of management. Regarding your airline, any hiring decision using race and gender quotas even as a supplement to a skills analysis is immoral. To look at your percentages is wrong at face. Forget the drummer,  let’s sack Eddie and insert a black female singer, because that’ll create the right percentage mix, according to your politics. Makes perfect sense. /s.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Back to the United example, and it’d be nice if you’d stay on topic, they’re not “sacking” existing employees in favor of women and minorities but rather, setting hiring goals for future hires, from a pool of candidates that meet their requirements and qualifications to be pilots. Everyone in the pool is qualified, regardless of race, gender and/or ethnicity.

Nobody sacked Matt. He quit. The rest of the band could decide to hire a black female who is transgender and identifies as male. Poor white male drummers would lose out. Same if Eddie quit. If PJ wanted to continue, the rest of the band could hire a Hispanic woman lead singer. Poor white males would lose out. Nice attempt at moving the goal posts. Again.

If you’re so certain that publicly traded companies are firing white males and replacing them with their quotas of women and minorities, why don’t you link or identify any of them? Same with the SEC filings, link to this public information that just shouts immorality. Why can’t you post anything more than AI generated it could be this, it could be that, I think I saw a yellow cat?

No one said they were firing anyone.  Never saw that written or spoken about.  What was/is happening is people were being passed over in favor of those quotas.

Your analogy for Matt is off also.  You can pick a wide array of drummers that are trained but did not pass a certification course for their profession as a percussionist.

The pilots on the other hand did.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Lerxst kept stating publicly traded companies are replacing current employees and replacing them with women and minorities to meet quotas, and that these multitudes of SEC filings prove the immorality. I specifically referenced United Airlines and their goals in hiring new pilots. Not firing existing pilots and replacing them. Mace brought United into the conversation.

I doubt PJ would require “certification as a percussionist” for position of drummer as if you can play their catalog for 3 hours without missing a beat, you’d likely get hired, formal education be damned. United prefers that their applicant pool knows how to fly, typically by having a minimum number of flight hours in different types of aircraft (I admittedly don’t know what they are).

Poor white people, being replaced. Great replacement theory is real. Charlie said so.

benjs

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

On topic, using woke quotas to determine who gets hired and fired,

“The US population in 2021 was approximately 49.1% male and 50.9% female. Whites made up 59.3% of the total population while Hispanics made up 18.9%, Blacks 12.6% and Asians 5.9%, and other races the balance.

Questions to anyone who wants to respond:

What is wrong with this approach?”


…

Simplified Example, A company has half union and half management. Union jobs require strenuous labor, and extremely difficult for women to perform.

as a result, the union staff is roughly 99% male.


to achieve overall 50% female employment quota to sell to its investors and politically aligned organizations, for management non union jobs, all men have nearly zero percent of getting hired or retaining their job in a reorganization. Fake company is looking to not disclose that the union is almost all male to the public, so to tell the public their diversity matches “society” they need to make up its numbers somehow.

this is promoting stereotypes that women stay indoors to do women desk work and men must do arduous labor if they want to work there. And quotas are wrong, period. This is an oversimplified example but decisions like this absolutely happen in public companies that release their employment strategies publicly. It’s racism, bigoted, and not American, where skill and ability should  match capitalist ideals. And why the right and center right are strongly fighting this bastardization of American ideals.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

A company that has a one to one ratio of management and employees wouldn't be a company as they wouldn't be able to compete. With such a ratio, clearly management sucks and needs to be replaced.

We were discussing a specific company, United, and a specific type of skilled employee, pilots, as brought into and referenced in the conversation. That was the example I used, not some made up, pretend union company with a one to one ratio of management to employees.

Based on the bolded part, that comment clearly does not understand the basics of management vs union employees. 

In addition to supervisors of union workers who are likely non union, management employees in a union shop usually includes, Marketing, HR, Legal, M and A, Finance, Treasury, Risk Management. And on and on. Can easily be 50% of an employer with unions. This is where large DEI employers make their quotas, because they are at will employees. Unions they can’t touch with quotas. An airline has minimal hard labor, so it’s possibly easier to staff pilots, plane and gate attendants with DEI hires into their unions. Except the pilots. Imagine a company where half is specialized labor like pilots. Difficult to cook the books in that case. Which is what DEI is after all.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

To the bold in your attempt to move the goal posts again. These are not “management” positions. They could be union or non-union but they’re not “management.” On and on in your imagination.

Please do try to stay on topic. The example is pilots at United Airlines. One category of skilled labor at one US based company. 

Just because you don’t understand the basics of employment classifications at large publicly owned employers is no reason to make accusations. These are the companies that are largely into gender and race based quotas.

large employers refer to management employees usually as those who are full time and not eligible for union membership, including the examples provided earlier. These are usually exempt employees, exempt from minimum wage and overtime rules. An entry level corporate attorney or treasury analyst who supervises no one are examples of management employees but do not supervise anyone.

It does not refer specifically to direct management of another, rather an employee representing the interests of management. Regarding your airline, any hiring decision using race and gender quotas even as a supplement to a skills analysis is immoral. To look at your percentages is wrong at face. Forget the drummer,  let’s sack Eddie and insert a black female singer, because that’ll create the right percentage mix, according to your politics. Makes perfect sense. /s.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Back to the United example, and it’d be nice if you’d stay on topic, they’re not “sacking” existing employees in favor of women and minorities but rather, setting hiring goals for future hires, from a pool of candidates that meet their requirements and qualifications to be pilots. Everyone in the pool is qualified, regardless of race, gender and/or ethnicity.

Nobody sacked Matt. He quit. The rest of the band could decide to hire a black female who is transgender and identifies as male. Poor white male drummers would lose out. Same if Eddie quit. If PJ wanted to continue, the rest of the band could hire a Hispanic woman lead singer. Poor white males would lose out. Nice attempt at moving the goal posts. Again.

If you’re so certain that publicly traded companies are firing white males and replacing them with their quotas of women and minorities, why don’t you link or identify any of them? Same with the SEC filings, link to this public information that just shouts immorality. Why can’t you post anything more than AI generated it could be this, it could be that, I think I saw a yellow cat?

No one said they were firing anyone.  Never saw that written or spoken about.  What was/is happening is people were being passed over in favor of those quotas.

Your analogy for Matt is off also.  You can pick a wide array of drummers that are trained but did not pass a certification course for their profession as a percussionist.

The pilots on the other hand did.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Lerxst kept stating publicly traded companies are replacing current employees and replacing them with women and minorities to meet quotas, and that these multitudes of SEC filings prove the immorality. I specifically referenced United Airlines and their goals in hiring new pilots. Not firing existing pilots and replacing them. Mace brought United into the conversation.

I doubt PJ would require “certification as a percussionist” for position of drummer as if you can play their catalog for 3 hours without missing a beat, you’d likely get hired, formal education be damned. United prefers that their applicant pool knows how to fly, typically by having a minimum number of flight hours in different types of aircraft (I admittedly don’t know what they are).

Poor white people, being replaced. Great replacement theory is real. Charlie said so.

It isn’t racist to understand math and how a target of a certain percentage of a demographic, means lesser odds than formerly for the ‘privileged’ demographic. Call it unfair, but if I’m born with a silver spoon and expect a silver spoon, then when I get a plastic spork I will be disappointed, because that’s where my expectations were set.

Also, just because I acknowledge this, doesn’t mean I believe in great replacement theory. That’s a ridiculous and unfounded stretch.

Lerxst1992

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

On topic, using woke quotas to determine who gets hired and fired,

“The US population in 2021 was approximately 49.1% male and 50.9% female. Whites made up 59.3% of the total population while Hispanics made up 18.9%, Blacks 12.6% and Asians 5.9%, and other races the balance.

Questions to anyone who wants to respond:

What is wrong with this approach?”


…

Simplified Example, A company has half union and half management. Union jobs require strenuous labor, and extremely difficult for women to perform.

as a result, the union staff is roughly 99% male.


to achieve overall 50% female employment quota to sell to its investors and politically aligned organizations, for management non union jobs, all men have nearly zero percent of getting hired or retaining their job in a reorganization. Fake company is looking to not disclose that the union is almost all male to the public, so to tell the public their diversity matches “society” they need to make up its numbers somehow.

this is promoting stereotypes that women stay indoors to do women desk work and men must do arduous labor if they want to work there. And quotas are wrong, period. This is an oversimplified example but decisions like this absolutely happen in public companies that release their employment strategies publicly. It’s racism, bigoted, and not American, where skill and ability should  match capitalist ideals. And why the right and center right are strongly fighting this bastardization of American ideals.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

A company that has a one to one ratio of management and employees wouldn't be a company as they wouldn't be able to compete. With such a ratio, clearly management sucks and needs to be replaced.

We were discussing a specific company, United, and a specific type of skilled employee, pilots, as brought into and referenced in the conversation. That was the example I used, not some made up, pretend union company with a one to one ratio of management to employees.

Based on the bolded part, that comment clearly does not understand the basics of management vs union employees. 

In addition to supervisors of union workers who are likely non union, management employees in a union shop usually includes, Marketing, HR, Legal, M and A, Finance, Treasury, Risk Management. And on and on. Can easily be 50% of an employer with unions. This is where large DEI employers make their quotas, because they are at will employees. Unions they can’t touch with quotas. An airline has minimal hard labor, so it’s possibly easier to staff pilots, plane and gate attendants with DEI hires into their unions. Except the pilots. Imagine a company where half is specialized labor like pilots. Difficult to cook the books in that case. Which is what DEI is after all.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

To the bold in your attempt to move the goal posts again. These are not “management” positions. They could be union or non-union but they’re not “management.” On and on in your imagination.

Please do try to stay on topic. The example is pilots at United Airlines. One category of skilled labor at one US based company. 

Just because you don’t understand the basics of employment classifications at large publicly owned employers is no reason to make accusations. These are the companies that are largely into gender and race based quotas.

large employers refer to management employees usually as those who are full time and not eligible for union membership, including the examples provided earlier. These are usually exempt employees, exempt from minimum wage and overtime rules. An entry level corporate attorney or treasury analyst who supervises no one are examples of management employees but do not supervise anyone.

It does not refer specifically to direct management of another, rather an employee representing the interests of management. Regarding your airline, any hiring decision using race and gender quotas even as a supplement to a skills analysis is immoral. To look at your percentages is wrong at face. Forget the drummer,  let’s sack Eddie and insert a black female singer, because that’ll create the right percentage mix, according to your politics. Makes perfect sense. /s.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Back to the United example, and it’d be nice if you’d stay on topic, they’re not “sacking” existing employees in favor of women and minorities but rather, setting hiring goals for future hires, from a pool of candidates that meet their requirements and qualifications to be pilots. Everyone in the pool is qualified, regardless of race, gender and/or ethnicity.

Nobody sacked Matt. He quit. The rest of the band could decide to hire a black female who is transgender and identifies as male. Poor white male drummers would lose out. Same if Eddie quit. If PJ wanted to continue, the rest of the band could hire a Hispanic woman lead singer. Poor white males would lose out. Nice attempt at moving the goal posts. Again.

If you’re so certain that publicly traded companies are firing white males and replacing them with their quotas of women and minorities, why don’t you link or identify any of them? Same with the SEC filings, link to this public information that just shouts immorality. Why can’t you post anything more than AI generated it could be this, it could be that, I think I saw a yellow cat?

No one said they were firing anyone.  Never saw that written or spoken about.  What was/is happening is people were being passed over in favor of those quotas.

Your analogy for Matt is off also.  You can pick a wide array of drummers that are trained but did not pass a certification course for their profession as a percussionist.

The pilots on the other hand did.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Lerxst kept stating publicly traded companies are replacing current employees and replacing them with women and minorities to meet quotas, and that these multitudes of SEC filings prove the immorality. I specifically referenced United Airlines and their goals in hiring new pilots. Not firing existing pilots and replacing them. Mace brought United into the conversation.

I doubt PJ would require “certification as a percussionist” for position of drummer as if you can play their catalog for 3 hours without missing a beat, you’d likely get hired, formal education be damned. United prefers that their applicant pool knows how to fly, typically by having a minimum number of flight hours in different types of aircraft (I admittedly don’t know what they are).

Poor white people, being replaced. Great replacement theory is real. Charlie said so.

“ IBM disclosed that it added a diversity modifier to its executive compensation program (prior to 2025, when some of these policies were reported to be paused or revised) to reinforce accountability for building a diverse workplace, which is an implicit marker of success in linking diversity to business results. “


Or in plain English…

“Hey executives….Have a more diverse staff or you will earn less money.”

IBM is backtracking for a reason, they’ve been sued with threats for more.

Lerxst1992

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

On topic, using woke quotas to determine who gets hired and fired,

“The US population in 2021 was approximately 49.1% male and 50.9% female. Whites made up 59.3% of the total population while Hispanics made up 18.9%, Blacks 12.6% and Asians 5.9%, and other races the balance.

Questions to anyone who wants to respond:

What is wrong with this approach?”


…

Simplified Example, A company has half union and half management. Union jobs require strenuous labor, and extremely difficult for women to perform.

as a result, the union staff is roughly 99% male.


to achieve overall 50% female employment quota to sell to its investors and politically aligned organizations, for management non union jobs, all men have nearly zero percent of getting hired or retaining their job in a reorganization. Fake company is looking to not disclose that the union is almost all male to the public, so to tell the public their diversity matches “society” they need to make up its numbers somehow.

this is promoting stereotypes that women stay indoors to do women desk work and men must do arduous labor if they want to work there. And quotas are wrong, period. This is an oversimplified example but decisions like this absolutely happen in public companies that release their employment strategies publicly. It’s racism, bigoted, and not American, where skill and ability should  match capitalist ideals. And why the right and center right are strongly fighting this bastardization of American ideals.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

A company that has a one to one ratio of management and employees wouldn't be a company as they wouldn't be able to compete. With such a ratio, clearly management sucks and needs to be replaced.

We were discussing a specific company, United, and a specific type of skilled employee, pilots, as brought into and referenced in the conversation. That was the example I used, not some made up, pretend union company with a one to one ratio of management to employees.

Based on the bolded part, that comment clearly does not understand the basics of management vs union employees. 

In addition to supervisors of union workers who are likely non union, management employees in a union shop usually includes, Marketing, HR, Legal, M and A, Finance, Treasury, Risk Management. And on and on. Can easily be 50% of an employer with unions. This is where large DEI employers make their quotas, because they are at will employees. Unions they can’t touch with quotas. An airline has minimal hard labor, so it’s possibly easier to staff pilots, plane and gate attendants with DEI hires into their unions. Except the pilots. Imagine a company where half is specialized labor like pilots. Difficult to cook the books in that case. Which is what DEI is after all.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

To the bold in your attempt to move the goal posts again. These are not “management” positions. They could be union or non-union but they’re not “management.” On and on in your imagination.

Please do try to stay on topic. The example is pilots at United Airlines. One category of skilled labor at one US based company. 

Just because you don’t understand the basics of employment classifications at large publicly owned employers is no reason to make accusations. These are the companies that are largely into gender and race based quotas.

large employers refer to management employees usually as those who are full time and not eligible for union membership, including the examples provided earlier. These are usually exempt employees, exempt from minimum wage and overtime rules. An entry level corporate attorney or treasury analyst who supervises no one are examples of management employees but do not supervise anyone.

It does not refer specifically to direct management of another, rather an employee representing the interests of management. Regarding your airline, any hiring decision using race and gender quotas even as a supplement to a skills analysis is immoral. To look at your percentages is wrong at face. Forget the drummer,  let’s sack Eddie and insert a black female singer, because that’ll create the right percentage mix, according to your politics. Makes perfect sense. /s.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Back to the United example, and it’d be nice if you’d stay on topic, they’re not “sacking” existing employees in favor of women and minorities but rather, setting hiring goals for future hires, from a pool of candidates that meet their requirements and qualifications to be pilots. Everyone in the pool is qualified, regardless of race, gender and/or ethnicity.

Nobody sacked Matt. He quit. The rest of the band could decide to hire a black female who is transgender and identifies as male. Poor white male drummers would lose out. Same if Eddie quit. If PJ wanted to continue, the rest of the band could hire a Hispanic woman lead singer. Poor white males would lose out. Nice attempt at moving the goal posts. Again.

If you’re so certain that publicly traded companies are firing white males and replacing them with their quotas of women and minorities, why don’t you link or identify any of them? Same with the SEC filings, link to this public information that just shouts immorality. Why can’t you post anything more than AI generated it could be this, it could be that, I think I saw a yellow cat?

No one said they were firing anyone.  Never saw that written or spoken about.  What was/is happening is people were being passed over in favor of those quotas.

Your analogy for Matt is off also.  You can pick a wide array of drummers that are trained but did not pass a certification course for their profession as a percussionist.

The pilots on the other hand did.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Lerxst kept stating publicly traded companies are replacing current employees and replacing them with women and minorities to meet quotas, and that these multitudes of SEC filings prove the immorality. I specifically referenced United Airlines and their goals in hiring new pilots. Not firing existing pilots and replacing them. Mace brought United into the conversation.

I doubt PJ would require “certification as a percussionist” for position of drummer as if you can play their catalog for 3 hours without missing a beat, you’d likely get hired, formal education be damned. United prefers that their applicant pool knows how to fly, typically by having a minimum number of flight hours in different types of aircraft (I admittedly don’t know what they are).

Poor white people, being replaced. Great replacement theory is real. Charlie said so.

It isn’t racist to understand math and how a target of a certain percentage of a demographic, means lesser odds than formerly for the ‘privileged’ demographic. Call it unfair, but if I’m born with a silver spoon and expect a silver spoon, then when I get a plastic spork I will be disappointed, because that’s where my expectations were set.

Also, just because I acknowledge this, doesn’t mean I believe in great replacement theory. That’s a ridiculous and unfounded stretch.

in the USA, they leave it to corporations to fire the 48 year old white slob supporting  three kids on a half million dollar mortgage to make way for quota hirings. Not sure how some slob in that predicament has a silver spoon, but liberal politics has become a strange animal in the recent past.


while the Dems cry about Epstein and Gaza…. Rs have identified this as illegal discrimination and attacked Dems aggressively. It’s a losing issue, using private hiring practices for crimes committed that have no specific correlation to modern victims of discriminatory policies.

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

On topic, using woke quotas to determine who gets hired and fired,

“The US population in 2021 was approximately 49.1% male and 50.9% female. Whites made up 59.3% of the total population while Hispanics made up 18.9%, Blacks 12.6% and Asians 5.9%, and other races the balance.

Questions to anyone who wants to respond:

What is wrong with this approach?”


…

Simplified Example, A company has half union and half management. Union jobs require strenuous labor, and extremely difficult for women to perform.

as a result, the union staff is roughly 99% male.


to achieve overall 50% female employment quota to sell to its investors and politically aligned organizations, for management non union jobs, all men have nearly zero percent of getting hired or retaining their job in a reorganization. Fake company is looking to not disclose that the union is almost all male to the public, so to tell the public their diversity matches “society” they need to make up its numbers somehow.

this is promoting stereotypes that women stay indoors to do women desk work and men must do arduous labor if they want to work there. And quotas are wrong, period. This is an oversimplified example but decisions like this absolutely happen in public companies that release their employment strategies publicly. It’s racism, bigoted, and not American, where skill and ability should  match capitalist ideals. And why the right and center right are strongly fighting this bastardization of American ideals.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

A company that has a one to one ratio of management and employees wouldn't be a company as they wouldn't be able to compete. With such a ratio, clearly management sucks and needs to be replaced.

We were discussing a specific company, United, and a specific type of skilled employee, pilots, as brought into and referenced in the conversation. That was the example I used, not some made up, pretend union company with a one to one ratio of management to employees.

Based on the bolded part, that comment clearly does not understand the basics of management vs union employees. 

In addition to supervisors of union workers who are likely non union, management employees in a union shop usually includes, Marketing, HR, Legal, M and A, Finance, Treasury, Risk Management. And on and on. Can easily be 50% of an employer with unions. This is where large DEI employers make their quotas, because they are at will employees. Unions they can’t touch with quotas. An airline has minimal hard labor, so it’s possibly easier to staff pilots, plane and gate attendants with DEI hires into their unions. Except the pilots. Imagine a company where half is specialized labor like pilots. Difficult to cook the books in that case. Which is what DEI is after all.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

To the bold in your attempt to move the goal posts again. These are not “management” positions. They could be union or non-union but they’re not “management.” On and on in your imagination.

Please do try to stay on topic. The example is pilots at United Airlines. One category of skilled labor at one US based company. 

Just because you don’t understand the basics of employment classifications at large publicly owned employers is no reason to make accusations. These are the companies that are largely into gender and race based quotas.

large employers refer to management employees usually as those who are full time and not eligible for union membership, including the examples provided earlier. These are usually exempt employees, exempt from minimum wage and overtime rules. An entry level corporate attorney or treasury analyst who supervises no one are examples of management employees but do not supervise anyone.

It does not refer specifically to direct management of another, rather an employee representing the interests of management. Regarding your airline, any hiring decision using race and gender quotas even as a supplement to a skills analysis is immoral. To look at your percentages is wrong at face. Forget the drummer,  let’s sack Eddie and insert a black female singer, because that’ll create the right percentage mix, according to your politics. Makes perfect sense. /s.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Back to the United example, and it’d be nice if you’d stay on topic, they’re not “sacking” existing employees in favor of women and minorities but rather, setting hiring goals for future hires, from a pool of candidates that meet their requirements and qualifications to be pilots. Everyone in the pool is qualified, regardless of race, gender and/or ethnicity.

Nobody sacked Matt. He quit. The rest of the band could decide to hire a black female who is transgender and identifies as male. Poor white male drummers would lose out. Same if Eddie quit. If PJ wanted to continue, the rest of the band could hire a Hispanic woman lead singer. Poor white males would lose out. Nice attempt at moving the goal posts. Again.

If you’re so certain that publicly traded companies are firing white males and replacing them with their quotas of women and minorities, why don’t you link or identify any of them? Same with the SEC filings, link to this public information that just shouts immorality. Why can’t you post anything more than AI generated it could be this, it could be that, I think I saw a yellow cat?

No one said they were firing anyone.  Never saw that written or spoken about.  What was/is happening is people were being passed over in favor of those quotas.

Your analogy for Matt is off also.  You can pick a wide array of drummers that are trained but did not pass a certification course for their profession as a percussionist.

The pilots on the other hand did.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Lerxst kept stating publicly traded companies are replacing current employees and replacing them with women and minorities to meet quotas, and that these multitudes of SEC filings prove the immorality. I specifically referenced United Airlines and their goals in hiring new pilots. Not firing existing pilots and replacing them. Mace brought United into the conversation.

I doubt PJ would require “certification as a percussionist” for position of drummer as if you can play their catalog for 3 hours without missing a beat, you’d likely get hired, formal education be damned. United prefers that their applicant pool knows how to fly, typically by having a minimum number of flight hours in different types of aircraft (I admittedly don’t know what they are).

Poor white people, being replaced. Great replacement theory is real. Charlie said so.

This is actually the first mention of United Airlines in this thread in recent conversation:
Seems really odd you just thrown my name out there when I wasn't even responding to this specific thread. Lets see what the state dept has to say about this!

static111

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

On topic, using woke quotas to determine who gets hired and fired,

“The US population in 2021 was approximately 49.1% male and 50.9% female. Whites made up 59.3% of the total population while Hispanics made up 18.9%, Blacks 12.6% and Asians 5.9%, and other races the balance.

Questions to anyone who wants to respond:

What is wrong with this approach?”


…

Simplified Example, A company has half union and half management. Union jobs require strenuous labor, and extremely difficult for women to perform.

as a result, the union staff is roughly 99% male.


to achieve overall 50% female employment quota to sell to its investors and politically aligned organizations, for management non union jobs, all men have nearly zero percent of getting hired or retaining their job in a reorganization. Fake company is looking to not disclose that the union is almost all male to the public, so to tell the public their diversity matches “society” they need to make up its numbers somehow.

this is promoting stereotypes that women stay indoors to do women desk work and men must do arduous labor if they want to work there. And quotas are wrong, period. This is an oversimplified example but decisions like this absolutely happen in public companies that release their employment strategies publicly. It’s racism, bigoted, and not American, where skill and ability should  match capitalist ideals. And why the right and center right are strongly fighting this bastardization of American ideals.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

A company that has a one to one ratio of management and employees wouldn't be a company as they wouldn't be able to compete. With such a ratio, clearly management sucks and needs to be replaced.

We were discussing a specific company, United, and a specific type of skilled employee, pilots, as brought into and referenced in the conversation. That was the example I used, not some made up, pretend union company with a one to one ratio of management to employees.

Based on the bolded part, that comment clearly does not understand the basics of management vs union employees. 

In addition to supervisors of union workers who are likely non union, management employees in a union shop usually includes, Marketing, HR, Legal, M and A, Finance, Treasury, Risk Management. And on and on. Can easily be 50% of an employer with unions. This is where large DEI employers make their quotas, because they are at will employees. Unions they can’t touch with quotas. An airline has minimal hard labor, so it’s possibly easier to staff pilots, plane and gate attendants with DEI hires into their unions. Except the pilots. Imagine a company where half is specialized labor like pilots. Difficult to cook the books in that case. Which is what DEI is after all.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

To the bold in your attempt to move the goal posts again. These are not “management” positions. They could be union or non-union but they’re not “management.” On and on in your imagination.

Please do try to stay on topic. The example is pilots at United Airlines. One category of skilled labor at one US based company. 

Just because you don’t understand the basics of employment classifications at large publicly owned employers is no reason to make accusations. These are the companies that are largely into gender and race based quotas.

large employers refer to management employees usually as those who are full time and not eligible for union membership, including the examples provided earlier. These are usually exempt employees, exempt from minimum wage and overtime rules. An entry level corporate attorney or treasury analyst who supervises no one are examples of management employees but do not supervise anyone.

It does not refer specifically to direct management of another, rather an employee representing the interests of management. Regarding your airline, any hiring decision using race and gender quotas even as a supplement to a skills analysis is immoral. To look at your percentages is wrong at face. Forget the drummer,  let’s sack Eddie and insert a black female singer, because that’ll create the right percentage mix, according to your politics. Makes perfect sense. /s.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Back to the United example, and it’d be nice if you’d stay on topic, they’re not “sacking” existing employees in favor of women and minorities but rather, setting hiring goals for future hires, from a pool of candidates that meet their requirements and qualifications to be pilots. Everyone in the pool is qualified, regardless of race, gender and/or ethnicity.

Nobody sacked Matt. He quit. The rest of the band could decide to hire a black female who is transgender and identifies as male. Poor white male drummers would lose out. Same if Eddie quit. If PJ wanted to continue, the rest of the band could hire a Hispanic woman lead singer. Poor white males would lose out. Nice attempt at moving the goal posts. Again.

If you’re so certain that publicly traded companies are firing white males and replacing them with their quotas of women and minorities, why don’t you link or identify any of them? Same with the SEC filings, link to this public information that just shouts immorality. Why can’t you post anything more than AI generated it could be this, it could be that, I think I saw a yellow cat?

No one said they were firing anyone.  Never saw that written or spoken about.  What was/is happening is people were being passed over in favor of those quotas.

Your analogy for Matt is off also.  You can pick a wide array of drummers that are trained but did not pass a certification course for their profession as a percussionist.

The pilots on the other hand did.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Lerxst kept stating publicly traded companies are replacing current employees and replacing them with women and minorities to meet quotas, and that these multitudes of SEC filings prove the immorality. I specifically referenced United Airlines and their goals in hiring new pilots. Not firing existing pilots and replacing them. Mace brought United into the conversation.

I doubt PJ would require “certification as a percussionist” for position of drummer as if you can play their catalog for 3 hours without missing a beat, you’d likely get hired, formal education be damned. United prefers that their applicant pool knows how to fly, typically by having a minimum number of flight hours in different types of aircraft (I admittedly don’t know what they are).

Poor white people, being replaced. Great replacement theory is real. Charlie said so.

It isn’t racist to understand math and how a target of a certain percentage of a demographic, means lesser odds than formerly for the ‘privileged’ demographic. Call it unfair, but if I’m born with a silver spoon and expect a silver spoon, then when I get a plastic spork I will be disappointed, because that’s where my expectations were set.

Also, just because I acknowledge this, doesn’t mean I believe in great replacement theory. That’s a ridiculous and unfounded stretch.

in the USA, they leave it to corporations to fire the 48 year old white slob supporting  three kids on a half million dollar mortgage to make way for quota hirings. Not sure how some slob in that predicament has a silver spoon, but liberal politics has become a strange animal in the recent past.


while the Dems cry about Epstein and Gaza…. Rs have identified this as illegal discrimination and attacked Dems aggressively. It’s a losing issue, using private hiring practices for crimes committed that have no specific correlation to modern victims of discriminatory policies.

You seem like the type of person that would have fought against post-slavery reconstruction in the south.  Maybe we wouldn't continue to need DEI initiatives in this country if people like you would just get out of the way long enough or better yet help fight for equality long enough that this is no longer an issue.  Instead of constantly complain about white grievance politics, and whining about how helping the historically disadvantaged is somehow hurting the Whites....

Lerxst1992

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

On topic, using woke quotas to determine who gets hired and fired,

“The US population in 2021 was approximately 49.1% male and 50.9% female. Whites made up 59.3% of the total population while Hispanics made up 18.9%, Blacks 12.6% and Asians 5.9%, and other races the balance.

Questions to anyone who wants to respond:

What is wrong with this approach?”


…

Simplified Example, A company has half union and half management. Union jobs require strenuous labor, and extremely difficult for women to perform.

as a result, the union staff is roughly 99% male.


to achieve overall 50% female employment quota to sell to its investors and politically aligned organizations, for management non union jobs, all men have nearly zero percent of getting hired or retaining their job in a reorganization. Fake company is looking to not disclose that the union is almost all male to the public, so to tell the public their diversity matches “society” they need to make up its numbers somehow.

this is promoting stereotypes that women stay indoors to do women desk work and men must do arduous labor if they want to work there. And quotas are wrong, period. This is an oversimplified example but decisions like this absolutely happen in public companies that release their employment strategies publicly. It’s racism, bigoted, and not American, where skill and ability should  match capitalist ideals. And why the right and center right are strongly fighting this bastardization of American ideals.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

A company that has a one to one ratio of management and employees wouldn't be a company as they wouldn't be able to compete. With such a ratio, clearly management sucks and needs to be replaced.

We were discussing a specific company, United, and a specific type of skilled employee, pilots, as brought into and referenced in the conversation. That was the example I used, not some made up, pretend union company with a one to one ratio of management to employees.

Based on the bolded part, that comment clearly does not understand the basics of management vs union employees. 

In addition to supervisors of union workers who are likely non union, management employees in a union shop usually includes, Marketing, HR, Legal, M and A, Finance, Treasury, Risk Management. And on and on. Can easily be 50% of an employer with unions. This is where large DEI employers make their quotas, because they are at will employees. Unions they can’t touch with quotas. An airline has minimal hard labor, so it’s possibly easier to staff pilots, plane and gate attendants with DEI hires into their unions. Except the pilots. Imagine a company where half is specialized labor like pilots. Difficult to cook the books in that case. Which is what DEI is after all.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

To the bold in your attempt to move the goal posts again. These are not “management” positions. They could be union or non-union but they’re not “management.” On and on in your imagination.

Please do try to stay on topic. The example is pilots at United Airlines. One category of skilled labor at one US based company. 

Just because you don’t understand the basics of employment classifications at large publicly owned employers is no reason to make accusations. These are the companies that are largely into gender and race based quotas.

large employers refer to management employees usually as those who are full time and not eligible for union membership, including the examples provided earlier. These are usually exempt employees, exempt from minimum wage and overtime rules. An entry level corporate attorney or treasury analyst who supervises no one are examples of management employees but do not supervise anyone.

It does not refer specifically to direct management of another, rather an employee representing the interests of management. Regarding your airline, any hiring decision using race and gender quotas even as a supplement to a skills analysis is immoral. To look at your percentages is wrong at face. Forget the drummer,  let’s sack Eddie and insert a black female singer, because that’ll create the right percentage mix, according to your politics. Makes perfect sense. /s.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Back to the United example, and it’d be nice if you’d stay on topic, they’re not “sacking” existing employees in favor of women and minorities but rather, setting hiring goals for future hires, from a pool of candidates that meet their requirements and qualifications to be pilots. Everyone in the pool is qualified, regardless of race, gender and/or ethnicity.

Nobody sacked Matt. He quit. The rest of the band could decide to hire a black female who is transgender and identifies as male. Poor white male drummers would lose out. Same if Eddie quit. If PJ wanted to continue, the rest of the band could hire a Hispanic woman lead singer. Poor white males would lose out. Nice attempt at moving the goal posts. Again.

If you’re so certain that publicly traded companies are firing white males and replacing them with their quotas of women and minorities, why don’t you link or identify any of them? Same with the SEC filings, link to this public information that just shouts immorality. Why can’t you post anything more than AI generated it could be this, it could be that, I think I saw a yellow cat?

No one said they were firing anyone.  Never saw that written or spoken about.  What was/is happening is people were being passed over in favor of those quotas.

Your analogy for Matt is off also.  You can pick a wide array of drummers that are trained but did not pass a certification course for their profession as a percussionist.

The pilots on the other hand did.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Lerxst kept stating publicly traded companies are replacing current employees and replacing them with women and minorities to meet quotas, and that these multitudes of SEC filings prove the immorality. I specifically referenced United Airlines and their goals in hiring new pilots. Not firing existing pilots and replacing them. Mace brought United into the conversation.

I doubt PJ would require “certification as a percussionist” for position of drummer as if you can play their catalog for 3 hours without missing a beat, you’d likely get hired, formal education be damned. United prefers that their applicant pool knows how to fly, typically by having a minimum number of flight hours in different types of aircraft (I admittedly don’t know what they are).

Poor white people, being replaced. Great replacement theory is real. Charlie said so.

It isn’t racist to understand math and how a target of a certain percentage of a demographic, means lesser odds than formerly for the ‘privileged’ demographic. Call it unfair, but if I’m born with a silver spoon and expect a silver spoon, then when I get a plastic spork I will be disappointed, because that’s where my expectations were set.

Also, just because I acknowledge this, doesn’t mean I believe in great replacement theory. That’s a ridiculous and unfounded stretch.

in the USA, they leave it to corporations to fire the 48 year old white slob supporting  three kids on a half million dollar mortgage to make way for quota hirings. Not sure how some slob in that predicament has a silver spoon, but liberal politics has become a strange animal in the recent past.


while the Dems cry about Epstein and Gaza…. Rs have identified this as illegal discrimination and attacked Dems aggressively. It’s a losing issue, using private hiring practices for crimes committed that have no specific correlation to modern victims of discriminatory policies.

You seem like the type of person that would have fought against post-slavery reconstruction in the south.  Maybe we wouldn't continue to need DEI initiatives in this country if people like you would just get out of the way long enough or better yet help fight for equality long enough that this is no longer an issue.  Instead of constantly complain about white grievance politics, and whining about how helping the historically disadvantaged is somehow hurting the Whites....

Conveniently ignored the earlier post about the 48 year old white dude with three kids and half a million mortgage who has zero to do with “silver spoons” and what atrocities Americans committed in the 1800s being targeted by corporate DEI policies.

In a reorg, if someone is REMOVED from a job to make room for diversity, either gender or color, by language definition that is not equality. Less expertise and less skill is not equal, by definition.

the democrats are using identity politics as a weapon, not the centrists. You are actually arguing against your own views.

gimmesometruth27

white grievance is the maga way. always has been. 

tempo_n_groove

https://www.hr-consulting-group.com/hr-news

Interesting.

tempo_n_groove

gimmesometruth27 said:

white grievance is the maga way. always has been. 

I'll disagree with that.

gimmesometruth27

tempo_n_groove said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

white grievance is the maga way. always has been. 

I'll disagree with that.

which part?

against any kind of assistance for the poor and minority population
against immigration (BUILD THE WALL!!!)
against anything "woke"
wants to take the country back to the 50s.
has called for a second civil war and states like texas have threatened to secede
against affirmative action and dei
against lgbtq rights

what else am i missing?

most, if not all of these are based on white grievance. it is a platform of hate from the conservative whites against everybody else that is different from them.

static111

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

On topic, using woke quotas to determine who gets hired and fired,

“The US population in 2021 was approximately 49.1% male and 50.9% female. Whites made up 59.3% of the total population while Hispanics made up 18.9%, Blacks 12.6% and Asians 5.9%, and other races the balance.

Questions to anyone who wants to respond:

What is wrong with this approach?”


…

Simplified Example, A company has half union and half management. Union jobs require strenuous labor, and extremely difficult for women to perform.

as a result, the union staff is roughly 99% male.


to achieve overall 50% female employment quota to sell to its investors and politically aligned organizations, for management non union jobs, all men have nearly zero percent of getting hired or retaining their job in a reorganization. Fake company is looking to not disclose that the union is almost all male to the public, so to tell the public their diversity matches “society” they need to make up its numbers somehow.

this is promoting stereotypes that women stay indoors to do women desk work and men must do arduous labor if they want to work there. And quotas are wrong, period. This is an oversimplified example but decisions like this absolutely happen in public companies that release their employment strategies publicly. It’s racism, bigoted, and not American, where skill and ability should  match capitalist ideals. And why the right and center right are strongly fighting this bastardization of American ideals.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

A company that has a one to one ratio of management and employees wouldn't be a company as they wouldn't be able to compete. With such a ratio, clearly management sucks and needs to be replaced.

We were discussing a specific company, United, and a specific type of skilled employee, pilots, as brought into and referenced in the conversation. That was the example I used, not some made up, pretend union company with a one to one ratio of management to employees.

Based on the bolded part, that comment clearly does not understand the basics of management vs union employees. 

In addition to supervisors of union workers who are likely non union, management employees in a union shop usually includes, Marketing, HR, Legal, M and A, Finance, Treasury, Risk Management. And on and on. Can easily be 50% of an employer with unions. This is where large DEI employers make their quotas, because they are at will employees. Unions they can’t touch with quotas. An airline has minimal hard labor, so it’s possibly easier to staff pilots, plane and gate attendants with DEI hires into their unions. Except the pilots. Imagine a company where half is specialized labor like pilots. Difficult to cook the books in that case. Which is what DEI is after all.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

To the bold in your attempt to move the goal posts again. These are not “management” positions. They could be union or non-union but they’re not “management.” On and on in your imagination.

Please do try to stay on topic. The example is pilots at United Airlines. One category of skilled labor at one US based company. 

Just because you don’t understand the basics of employment classifications at large publicly owned employers is no reason to make accusations. These are the companies that are largely into gender and race based quotas.

large employers refer to management employees usually as those who are full time and not eligible for union membership, including the examples provided earlier. These are usually exempt employees, exempt from minimum wage and overtime rules. An entry level corporate attorney or treasury analyst who supervises no one are examples of management employees but do not supervise anyone.

It does not refer specifically to direct management of another, rather an employee representing the interests of management. Regarding your airline, any hiring decision using race and gender quotas even as a supplement to a skills analysis is immoral. To look at your percentages is wrong at face. Forget the drummer,  let’s sack Eddie and insert a black female singer, because that’ll create the right percentage mix, according to your politics. Makes perfect sense. /s.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Back to the United example, and it’d be nice if you’d stay on topic, they’re not “sacking” existing employees in favor of women and minorities but rather, setting hiring goals for future hires, from a pool of candidates that meet their requirements and qualifications to be pilots. Everyone in the pool is qualified, regardless of race, gender and/or ethnicity.

Nobody sacked Matt. He quit. The rest of the band could decide to hire a black female who is transgender and identifies as male. Poor white male drummers would lose out. Same if Eddie quit. If PJ wanted to continue, the rest of the band could hire a Hispanic woman lead singer. Poor white males would lose out. Nice attempt at moving the goal posts. Again.

If you’re so certain that publicly traded companies are firing white males and replacing them with their quotas of women and minorities, why don’t you link or identify any of them? Same with the SEC filings, link to this public information that just shouts immorality. Why can’t you post anything more than AI generated it could be this, it could be that, I think I saw a yellow cat?

No one said they were firing anyone.  Never saw that written or spoken about.  What was/is happening is people were being passed over in favor of those quotas.

Your analogy for Matt is off also.  You can pick a wide array of drummers that are trained but did not pass a certification course for their profession as a percussionist.

The pilots on the other hand did.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Lerxst kept stating publicly traded companies are replacing current employees and replacing them with women and minorities to meet quotas, and that these multitudes of SEC filings prove the immorality. I specifically referenced United Airlines and their goals in hiring new pilots. Not firing existing pilots and replacing them. Mace brought United into the conversation.

I doubt PJ would require “certification as a percussionist” for position of drummer as if you can play their catalog for 3 hours without missing a beat, you’d likely get hired, formal education be damned. United prefers that their applicant pool knows how to fly, typically by having a minimum number of flight hours in different types of aircraft (I admittedly don’t know what they are).

Poor white people, being replaced. Great replacement theory is real. Charlie said so.

It isn’t racist to understand math and how a target of a certain percentage of a demographic, means lesser odds than formerly for the ‘privileged’ demographic. Call it unfair, but if I’m born with a silver spoon and expect a silver spoon, then when I get a plastic spork I will be disappointed, because that’s where my expectations were set.

Also, just because I acknowledge this, doesn’t mean I believe in great replacement theory. That’s a ridiculous and unfounded stretch.

in the USA, they leave it to corporations to fire the 48 year old white slob supporting  three kids on a half million dollar mortgage to make way for quota hirings. Not sure how some slob in that predicament has a silver spoon, but liberal politics has become a strange animal in the recent past.


while the Dems cry about Epstein and Gaza…. Rs have identified this as illegal discrimination and attacked Dems aggressively. It’s a losing issue, using private hiring practices for crimes committed that have no specific correlation to modern victims of discriminatory policies.

You seem like the type of person that would have fought against post-slavery reconstruction in the south.  Maybe we wouldn't continue to need DEI initiatives in this country if people like you would just get out of the way long enough or better yet help fight for equality long enough that this is no longer an issue.  Instead of constantly complain about white grievance politics, and whining about how helping the historically disadvantaged is somehow hurting the Whites....

Conveniently ignored the earlier post about the 48 year old white dude with three kids and half a million mortgage who has zero to do with “silver spoons” and what atrocities Americans committed in the 1800s being targeted by corporate DEI policies.

In a reorg, if someone is REMOVED from a job to make room for diversity, either gender or color, by language definition that is not equality. Less expertise and less skill is not equal, by definition.

the democrats are using identity politics as a weapon, not the centrists. You are actually arguing against your own views.

I didn’t ignore the previous post I just viewed it as another pointless what if.   You are arguing to go with the status quo and not rock the boat so that you and some imaginary figment white slob can remain comfortable.  In your example both you and the slob have not participated in any of the atrocities of the 1800s but you fail to acknowledge that both you and he have benefitted from the power systems that have remained in place due to people having too much cowardice to shake the status quo.

 In order to make the strides necessary for the equality that you would rather see replace DEI initiatives and the like there will need to be a national reckoning of some kind.   Does that mean free college for minorities for three generations, extra housing assistance, etc?  I don’t know, but whatever it is there will be some white male complaining that he didn’t get it. It’s just pathetic.

And pretending that removing all assistance ie DEI, quotas etc is somehow more equal is just stupid.  We live in a racist country with a racist power structure that does not have racial equality, until that changes all of the programs currently in place are necessary.

Lerxst1992

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

On topic, using woke quotas to determine who gets hired and fired,

“The US population in 2021 was approximately 49.1% male and 50.9% female. Whites made up 59.3% of the total population while Hispanics made up 18.9%, Blacks 12.6% and Asians 5.9%, and other races the balance.

Questions to anyone who wants to respond:

What is wrong with this approach?”


…

Simplified Example, A company has half union and half management. Union jobs require strenuous labor, and extremely difficult for women to perform.

as a result, the union staff is roughly 99% male.


to achieve overall 50% female employment quota to sell to its investors and politically aligned organizations, for management non union jobs, all men have nearly zero percent of getting hired or retaining their job in a reorganization. Fake company is looking to not disclose that the union is almost all male to the public, so to tell the public their diversity matches “society” they need to make up its numbers somehow.

this is promoting stereotypes that women stay indoors to do women desk work and men must do arduous labor if they want to work there. And quotas are wrong, period. This is an oversimplified example but decisions like this absolutely happen in public companies that release their employment strategies publicly. It’s racism, bigoted, and not American, where skill and ability should  match capitalist ideals. And why the right and center right are strongly fighting this bastardization of American ideals.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

A company that has a one to one ratio of management and employees wouldn't be a company as they wouldn't be able to compete. With such a ratio, clearly management sucks and needs to be replaced.

We were discussing a specific company, United, and a specific type of skilled employee, pilots, as brought into and referenced in the conversation. That was the example I used, not some made up, pretend union company with a one to one ratio of management to employees.

Based on the bolded part, that comment clearly does not understand the basics of management vs union employees. 

In addition to supervisors of union workers who are likely non union, management employees in a union shop usually includes, Marketing, HR, Legal, M and A, Finance, Treasury, Risk Management. And on and on. Can easily be 50% of an employer with unions. This is where large DEI employers make their quotas, because they are at will employees. Unions they can’t touch with quotas. An airline has minimal hard labor, so it’s possibly easier to staff pilots, plane and gate attendants with DEI hires into their unions. Except the pilots. Imagine a company where half is specialized labor like pilots. Difficult to cook the books in that case. Which is what DEI is after all.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

To the bold in your attempt to move the goal posts again. These are not “management” positions. They could be union or non-union but they’re not “management.” On and on in your imagination.

Please do try to stay on topic. The example is pilots at United Airlines. One category of skilled labor at one US based company. 

Just because you don’t understand the basics of employment classifications at large publicly owned employers is no reason to make accusations. These are the companies that are largely into gender and race based quotas.

large employers refer to management employees usually as those who are full time and not eligible for union membership, including the examples provided earlier. These are usually exempt employees, exempt from minimum wage and overtime rules. An entry level corporate attorney or treasury analyst who supervises no one are examples of management employees but do not supervise anyone.

It does not refer specifically to direct management of another, rather an employee representing the interests of management. Regarding your airline, any hiring decision using race and gender quotas even as a supplement to a skills analysis is immoral. To look at your percentages is wrong at face. Forget the drummer,  let’s sack Eddie and insert a black female singer, because that’ll create the right percentage mix, according to your politics. Makes perfect sense. /s.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Back to the United example, and it’d be nice if you’d stay on topic, they’re not “sacking” existing employees in favor of women and minorities but rather, setting hiring goals for future hires, from a pool of candidates that meet their requirements and qualifications to be pilots. Everyone in the pool is qualified, regardless of race, gender and/or ethnicity.

Nobody sacked Matt. He quit. The rest of the band could decide to hire a black female who is transgender and identifies as male. Poor white male drummers would lose out. Same if Eddie quit. If PJ wanted to continue, the rest of the band could hire a Hispanic woman lead singer. Poor white males would lose out. Nice attempt at moving the goal posts. Again.

If you’re so certain that publicly traded companies are firing white males and replacing them with their quotas of women and minorities, why don’t you link or identify any of them? Same with the SEC filings, link to this public information that just shouts immorality. Why can’t you post anything more than AI generated it could be this, it could be that, I think I saw a yellow cat?

No one said they were firing anyone.  Never saw that written or spoken about.  What was/is happening is people were being passed over in favor of those quotas.

Your analogy for Matt is off also.  You can pick a wide array of drummers that are trained but did not pass a certification course for their profession as a percussionist.

The pilots on the other hand did.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Lerxst kept stating publicly traded companies are replacing current employees and replacing them with women and minorities to meet quotas, and that these multitudes of SEC filings prove the immorality. I specifically referenced United Airlines and their goals in hiring new pilots. Not firing existing pilots and replacing them. Mace brought United into the conversation.

I doubt PJ would require “certification as a percussionist” for position of drummer as if you can play their catalog for 3 hours without missing a beat, you’d likely get hired, formal education be damned. United prefers that their applicant pool knows how to fly, typically by having a minimum number of flight hours in different types of aircraft (I admittedly don’t know what they are).

Poor white people, being replaced. Great replacement theory is real. Charlie said so.

It isn’t racist to understand math and how a target of a certain percentage of a demographic, means lesser odds than formerly for the ‘privileged’ demographic. Call it unfair, but if I’m born with a silver spoon and expect a silver spoon, then when I get a plastic spork I will be disappointed, because that’s where my expectations were set.

Also, just because I acknowledge this, doesn’t mean I believe in great replacement theory. That’s a ridiculous and unfounded stretch.

in the USA, they leave it to corporations to fire the 48 year old white slob supporting  three kids on a half million dollar mortgage to make way for quota hirings. Not sure how some slob in that predicament has a silver spoon, but liberal politics has become a strange animal in the recent past.


while the Dems cry about Epstein and Gaza…. Rs have identified this as illegal discrimination and attacked Dems aggressively. It’s a losing issue, using private hiring practices for crimes committed that have no specific correlation to modern victims of discriminatory policies.

You seem like the type of person that would have fought against post-slavery reconstruction in the south.  Maybe we wouldn't continue to need DEI initiatives in this country if people like you would just get out of the way long enough or better yet help fight for equality long enough that this is no longer an issue.  Instead of constantly complain about white grievance politics, and whining about how helping the historically disadvantaged is somehow hurting the Whites....

Conveniently ignored the earlier post about the 48 year old white dude with three kids and half a million mortgage who has zero to do with “silver spoons” and what atrocities Americans committed in the 1800s being targeted by corporate DEI policies.

In a reorg, if someone is REMOVED from a job to make room for diversity, either gender or color, by language definition that is not equality. Less expertise and less skill is not equal, by definition.

the democrats are using identity politics as a weapon, not the centrists. You are actually arguing against your own views.

I didn’t ignore the previous post I just viewed it as another pointless what if.   You are arguing to go with the status quo and not rock the boat so that you and some imaginary figment white slob can remain comfortable.  In your example both you and the slob have not participated in any of the atrocities of the 1800s but you fail to acknowledge that both you and he have benefitted from the power systems that have remained in place due to people having too much cowardice to shake the status quo.

 In order to make the strides necessary for the equality that you would rather see replace DEI initiatives and the like there will need to be a national reckoning of some kind.   Does that mean free college for minorities for three generations, extra housing assistance, etc?  I don’t know, but whatever it is there will be some white male complaining that he didn’t get it. It’s just pathetic.

And pretending that removing all assistance ie DEI, quotas etc is somehow more equal is just stupid.  We live in a racist country with a racist power structure that does not have racial equality, until that changes all of the programs currently in place are necessary.

That’s not my argument and you know that. I have no issue, I’ve said often on the forum, of spending countless billions for diverse folks eduction and specialty training. So I’m quite far removed from conservatives.

what I am against is identity politics and politics of blame. It is not the job of elected officials (or even worse, corporate executives pressured by politicians) to assign blame for atrocities committed two hundred years ago and do the complex math if someone based on skin color or gender is at fault or benefitted. That’s discrimination, and just as immoral as it was in our past . The politicians job is to provide housing, training and education for communities in need, of course. 

And it’s not a what if. Go read a multinationals 10k. They were not shy about it, at least until Harris lost.

tempo_n_groove

gimmesometruth27 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

white grievance is the maga way. always has been. 

I'll disagree with that.

which part?

against any kind of assistance for the poor and minority population
against immigration (BUILD THE WALL!!!)
against anything "woke"
wants to take the country back to the 50s.
has called for a second civil war and states like texas have threatened to secede
against affirmative action and dei
against lgbtq rights

what else am i missing?

most, if not all of these are based on white grievance. it is a platform of hate from the conservative whites against everybody else that is different from them.

DEI is disguised as affirmative action.  That is where it began, nothing to do w MAGA.

tempo_n_groove

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

On topic, using woke quotas to determine who gets hired and fired,

“The US population in 2021 was approximately 49.1% male and 50.9% female. Whites made up 59.3% of the total population while Hispanics made up 18.9%, Blacks 12.6% and Asians 5.9%, and other races the balance.

Questions to anyone who wants to respond:

What is wrong with this approach?”


…

Simplified Example, A company has half union and half management. Union jobs require strenuous labor, and extremely difficult for women to perform.

as a result, the union staff is roughly 99% male.


to achieve overall 50% female employment quota to sell to its investors and politically aligned organizations, for management non union jobs, all men have nearly zero percent of getting hired or retaining their job in a reorganization. Fake company is looking to not disclose that the union is almost all male to the public, so to tell the public their diversity matches “society” they need to make up its numbers somehow.

this is promoting stereotypes that women stay indoors to do women desk work and men must do arduous labor if they want to work there. And quotas are wrong, period. This is an oversimplified example but decisions like this absolutely happen in public companies that release their employment strategies publicly. It’s racism, bigoted, and not American, where skill and ability should  match capitalist ideals. And why the right and center right are strongly fighting this bastardization of American ideals.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

A company that has a one to one ratio of management and employees wouldn't be a company as they wouldn't be able to compete. With such a ratio, clearly management sucks and needs to be replaced.

We were discussing a specific company, United, and a specific type of skilled employee, pilots, as brought into and referenced in the conversation. That was the example I used, not some made up, pretend union company with a one to one ratio of management to employees.

Based on the bolded part, that comment clearly does not understand the basics of management vs union employees. 

In addition to supervisors of union workers who are likely non union, management employees in a union shop usually includes, Marketing, HR, Legal, M and A, Finance, Treasury, Risk Management. And on and on. Can easily be 50% of an employer with unions. This is where large DEI employers make their quotas, because they are at will employees. Unions they can’t touch with quotas. An airline has minimal hard labor, so it’s possibly easier to staff pilots, plane and gate attendants with DEI hires into their unions. Except the pilots. Imagine a company where half is specialized labor like pilots. Difficult to cook the books in that case. Which is what DEI is after all.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

To the bold in your attempt to move the goal posts again. These are not “management” positions. They could be union or non-union but they’re not “management.” On and on in your imagination.

Please do try to stay on topic. The example is pilots at United Airlines. One category of skilled labor at one US based company. 

Just because you don’t understand the basics of employment classifications at large publicly owned employers is no reason to make accusations. These are the companies that are largely into gender and race based quotas.

large employers refer to management employees usually as those who are full time and not eligible for union membership, including the examples provided earlier. These are usually exempt employees, exempt from minimum wage and overtime rules. An entry level corporate attorney or treasury analyst who supervises no one are examples of management employees but do not supervise anyone.

It does not refer specifically to direct management of another, rather an employee representing the interests of management. Regarding your airline, any hiring decision using race and gender quotas even as a supplement to a skills analysis is immoral. To look at your percentages is wrong at face. Forget the drummer,  let’s sack Eddie and insert a black female singer, because that’ll create the right percentage mix, according to your politics. Makes perfect sense. /s.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Back to the United example, and it’d be nice if you’d stay on topic, they’re not “sacking” existing employees in favor of women and minorities but rather, setting hiring goals for future hires, from a pool of candidates that meet their requirements and qualifications to be pilots. Everyone in the pool is qualified, regardless of race, gender and/or ethnicity.

Nobody sacked Matt. He quit. The rest of the band could decide to hire a black female who is transgender and identifies as male. Poor white male drummers would lose out. Same if Eddie quit. If PJ wanted to continue, the rest of the band could hire a Hispanic woman lead singer. Poor white males would lose out. Nice attempt at moving the goal posts. Again.

If you’re so certain that publicly traded companies are firing white males and replacing them with their quotas of women and minorities, why don’t you link or identify any of them? Same with the SEC filings, link to this public information that just shouts immorality. Why can’t you post anything more than AI generated it could be this, it could be that, I think I saw a yellow cat?

No one said they were firing anyone.  Never saw that written or spoken about.  What was/is happening is people were being passed over in favor of those quotas.

Your analogy for Matt is off also.  You can pick a wide array of drummers that are trained but did not pass a certification course for their profession as a percussionist.

The pilots on the other hand did.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Lerxst kept stating publicly traded companies are replacing current employees and replacing them with women and minorities to meet quotas, and that these multitudes of SEC filings prove the immorality. I specifically referenced United Airlines and their goals in hiring new pilots. Not firing existing pilots and replacing them. Mace brought United into the conversation.

I doubt PJ would require “certification as a percussionist” for position of drummer as if you can play their catalog for 3 hours without missing a beat, you’d likely get hired, formal education be damned. United prefers that their applicant pool knows how to fly, typically by having a minimum number of flight hours in different types of aircraft (I admittedly don’t know what they are).

Poor white people, being replaced. Great replacement theory is real. Charlie said so.

It isn’t racist to understand math and how a target of a certain percentage of a demographic, means lesser odds than formerly for the ‘privileged’ demographic. Call it unfair, but if I’m born with a silver spoon and expect a silver spoon, then when I get a plastic spork I will be disappointed, because that’s where my expectations were set.

Also, just because I acknowledge this, doesn’t mean I believe in great replacement theory. That’s a ridiculous and unfounded stretch.

in the USA, they leave it to corporations to fire the 48 year old white slob supporting  three kids on a half million dollar mortgage to make way for quota hirings. Not sure how some slob in that predicament has a silver spoon, but liberal politics has become a strange animal in the recent past.


while the Dems cry about Epstein and Gaza…. Rs have identified this as illegal discrimination and attacked Dems aggressively. It’s a losing issue, using private hiring practices for crimes committed that have no specific correlation to modern victims of discriminatory policies.

You seem like the type of person that would have fought against post-slavery reconstruction in the south.  Maybe we wouldn't continue to need DEI initiatives in this country if people like you would just get out of the way long enough or better yet help fight for equality long enough that this is no longer an issue.  Instead of constantly complain about white grievance politics, and whining about how helping the historically disadvantaged is somehow hurting the Whites....

Conveniently ignored the earlier post about the 48 year old white dude with three kids and half a million mortgage who has zero to do with “silver spoons” and what atrocities Americans committed in the 1800s being targeted by corporate DEI policies.

In a reorg, if someone is REMOVED from a job to make room for diversity, either gender or color, by language definition that is not equality. Less expertise and less skill is not equal, by definition.

the democrats are using identity politics as a weapon, not the centrists. You are actually arguing against your own views.

I didn’t ignore the previous post I just viewed it as another pointless what if.   You are arguing to go with the status quo and not rock the boat so that you and some imaginary figment white slob can remain comfortable.  In your example both you and the slob have not participated in any of the atrocities of the 1800s but you fail to acknowledge that both you and he have benefitted from the power systems that have remained in place due to people having too much cowardice to shake the status quo.

 In order to make the strides necessary for the equality that you would rather see replace DEI initiatives and the like there will need to be a national reckoning of some kind.   Does that mean free college for minorities for three generations, extra housing assistance, etc?  I don’t know, but whatever it is there will be some white male complaining that he didn’t get it. It’s just pathetic.

And pretending that removing all assistance ie DEI, quotas etc is somehow more equal is just stupid.  We live in a racist country with a racist power structure that does not have racial equality, until that changes all of the programs currently in place are necessary.

That’s not my argument and you know that. I have no issue, I’ve said often on the forum, of spending countless billions for diverse folks eduction and specialty training. So I’m quite far removed from conservatives.

what I am against is identity politics and politics of blame. It is not the job of elected officials (or even worse, corporate executives pressured by politicians) to assign blame for atrocities committed two hundred years ago and do the complex math if someone based on skin color or gender is at fault or benefitted. That’s discrimination, and just as immoral as it was in our past . The politicians job is to provide housing, training and education for communities in need, of course. 

And it’s not a what if. Go read a multinationals 10k. They were not shy about it, at least until Harris lost.

read that Human Resource link I posted.

benjs

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

On topic, using woke quotas to determine who gets hired and fired,

“The US population in 2021 was approximately 49.1% male and 50.9% female. Whites made up 59.3% of the total population while Hispanics made up 18.9%, Blacks 12.6% and Asians 5.9%, and other races the balance.

Questions to anyone who wants to respond:

What is wrong with this approach?”


…

Simplified Example, A company has half union and half management. Union jobs require strenuous labor, and extremely difficult for women to perform.

as a result, the union staff is roughly 99% male.


to achieve overall 50% female employment quota to sell to its investors and politically aligned organizations, for management non union jobs, all men have nearly zero percent of getting hired or retaining their job in a reorganization. Fake company is looking to not disclose that the union is almost all male to the public, so to tell the public their diversity matches “society” they need to make up its numbers somehow.

this is promoting stereotypes that women stay indoors to do women desk work and men must do arduous labor if they want to work there. And quotas are wrong, period. This is an oversimplified example but decisions like this absolutely happen in public companies that release their employment strategies publicly. It’s racism, bigoted, and not American, where skill and ability should  match capitalist ideals. And why the right and center right are strongly fighting this bastardization of American ideals.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

A company that has a one to one ratio of management and employees wouldn't be a company as they wouldn't be able to compete. With such a ratio, clearly management sucks and needs to be replaced.

We were discussing a specific company, United, and a specific type of skilled employee, pilots, as brought into and referenced in the conversation. That was the example I used, not some made up, pretend union company with a one to one ratio of management to employees.

Based on the bolded part, that comment clearly does not understand the basics of management vs union employees. 

In addition to supervisors of union workers who are likely non union, management employees in a union shop usually includes, Marketing, HR, Legal, M and A, Finance, Treasury, Risk Management. And on and on. Can easily be 50% of an employer with unions. This is where large DEI employers make their quotas, because they are at will employees. Unions they can’t touch with quotas. An airline has minimal hard labor, so it’s possibly easier to staff pilots, plane and gate attendants with DEI hires into their unions. Except the pilots. Imagine a company where half is specialized labor like pilots. Difficult to cook the books in that case. Which is what DEI is after all.

* The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

To the bold in your attempt to move the goal posts again. These are not “management” positions. They could be union or non-union but they’re not “management.” On and on in your imagination.

Please do try to stay on topic. The example is pilots at United Airlines. One category of skilled labor at one US based company. 

Just because you don’t understand the basics of employment classifications at large publicly owned employers is no reason to make accusations. These are the companies that are largely into gender and race based quotas.

large employers refer to management employees usually as those who are full time and not eligible for union membership, including the examples provided earlier. These are usually exempt employees, exempt from minimum wage and overtime rules. An entry level corporate attorney or treasury analyst who supervises no one are examples of management employees but do not supervise anyone.

It does not refer specifically to direct management of another, rather an employee representing the interests of management. Regarding your airline, any hiring decision using race and gender quotas even as a supplement to a skills analysis is immoral. To look at your percentages is wrong at face. Forget the drummer,  let’s sack Eddie and insert a black female singer, because that’ll create the right percentage mix, according to your politics. Makes perfect sense. /s.

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Back to the United example, and it’d be nice if you’d stay on topic, they’re not “sacking” existing employees in favor of women and minorities but rather, setting hiring goals for future hires, from a pool of candidates that meet their requirements and qualifications to be pilots. Everyone in the pool is qualified, regardless of race, gender and/or ethnicity.

Nobody sacked Matt. He quit. The rest of the band could decide to hire a black female who is transgender and identifies as male. Poor white male drummers would lose out. Same if Eddie quit. If PJ wanted to continue, the rest of the band could hire a Hispanic woman lead singer. Poor white males would lose out. Nice attempt at moving the goal posts. Again.

If you’re so certain that publicly traded companies are firing white males and replacing them with their quotas of women and minorities, why don’t you link or identify any of them? Same with the SEC filings, link to this public information that just shouts immorality. Why can’t you post anything more than AI generated it could be this, it could be that, I think I saw a yellow cat?

No one said they were firing anyone.  Never saw that written or spoken about.  What was/is happening is people were being passed over in favor of those quotas.

Your analogy for Matt is off also.  You can pick a wide array of drummers that are trained but did not pass a certification course for their profession as a percussionist.

The pilots on the other hand did.

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Lerxst kept stating publicly traded companies are replacing current employees and replacing them with women and minorities to meet quotas, and that these multitudes of SEC filings prove the immorality. I specifically referenced United Airlines and their goals in hiring new pilots. Not firing existing pilots and replacing them. Mace brought United into the conversation.

I doubt PJ would require “certification as a percussionist” for position of drummer as if you can play their catalog for 3 hours without missing a beat, you’d likely get hired, formal education be damned. United prefers that their applicant pool knows how to fly, typically by having a minimum number of flight hours in different types of aircraft (I admittedly don’t know what they are).

Poor white people, being replaced. Great replacement theory is real. Charlie said so.

It isn’t racist to understand math and how a target of a certain percentage of a demographic, means lesser odds than formerly for the ‘privileged’ demographic. Call it unfair, but if I’m born with a silver spoon and expect a silver spoon, then when I get a plastic spork I will be disappointed, because that’s where my expectations were set.

Also, just because I acknowledge this, doesn’t mean I believe in great replacement theory. That’s a ridiculous and unfounded stretch.

in the USA, they leave it to corporations to fire the 48 year old white slob supporting  three kids on a half million dollar mortgage to make way for quota hirings. Not sure how some slob in that predicament has a silver spoon, but liberal politics has become a strange animal in the recent past.


while the Dems cry about Epstein and Gaza…. Rs have identified this as illegal discrimination and attacked Dems aggressively. It’s a losing issue, using private hiring practices for crimes committed that have no specific correlation to modern victims of discriminatory policies.

Executives can fire or hire to approach those targets. You seem to feel they’ll reach quotas with firing actions - I believe they’ll reach them with hiring actions, and discriminatory firing actions will yield wrongful dismissal lawsuits as they always have. 

My analogy was pretty straightforward. If you expect X, but receive Y, you will feel aggrieved as you are receiving less than you’ve become accustomed to expect. Sorry if my use of the term ‘silver spoon’ was upsetting to you.

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tempo_n_groove said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

white grievance is the maga way. always has been. 

I'll disagree with that.

which part?

against any kind of assistance for the poor and minority population
against immigration (BUILD THE WALL!!!)
against anything "woke"
wants to take the country back to the 50s.
has called for a second civil war and states like texas have threatened to secede
against affirmative action and dei
against lgbtq rights

what else am i missing?

most, if not all of these are based on white grievance. it is a platform of hate from the conservative whites against everybody else that is different from them.

DEI is disguised as affirmative action.  That is where it began, nothing to do w MAGA.

white grievance was a tenat of the tea party. you know, a bunch of republicans that did not want to pay taxes for some reason. tea party morphed into maga, and that entire movement is based on white grievance.

question. how many african americans besides clarence thomas, ben carson, and tim scott do you see out there opposing dei and affirmative action? it is all white men.