What is the going rate for Benaroya Hall vinyl?

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  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    edited March 2021
    Robbert said:
    Can someone tell me what the story is behind the orange Benaroya Hall vinyl? Is it unofficial? Because there is a TenClub 2004 sign on the back. Was it a European sell?

    The sound is pretty damn good by the way :)
    It's a bootleg. They just took the CD image and enlarged it. I love how I heard that the record has a glitch in it. Prolly not a lot of QC going on. Hilarious these things are being bought for $100 on ebay. People will buy anything. lol 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,599
    demetrios said:
    Zod said:

    I've been pretty tempted to buy a bootleg of Tool's Aenima album.  Been waiting years for a re-release.  I've been tempted many times to buy a bootleg just so I can spin it.

    Saw that Aenima bootleg vinyl too in stores. Tempted but passed.
    Bought that in a bundle.  Don't bother.

    Also don't bother w the QOTSA ST boot, another horrible pressing.
  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 97,795
    tempo_n_groove said:
    demetrios said:
    Zod said:

    I've been pretty tempted to buy a bootleg of Tool's Aenima album.  Been waiting years for a re-release.  I've been tempted many times to buy a bootleg just so I can spin it.

    Saw that Aenima bootleg vinyl too in stores. Tempted but passed.
    Bought that in a bundle.  Don't bother.

    Also don't bother w the QOTSA ST boot, another horrible pressing.

    Thanks for the heads up. 
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    JBob87 said:
    I just don't understand buying a bootleg of this at all. You are at best if the pressing was done 100% perfectly getting the widely available CD audio, with the added benefit of now having to get up off the couch more frequently to flip the disks over. Oh and you are also supporting bootleggers profiting without giving a cut to the band. Just a very "peak vinyl" thing to see these boots going for $$. 
    Not to mention that you have no idea what criminal/terrorist organization may be profiting from the counterfeit of any officially licensed merchandise.  
    Two joke answers to this, presented here in a bullet point list:

    ANSWER 1:
    • "Ticketmaster?"

    ANSWER 2:
    • "More or less than what China is profiting of all Apple products people buy?"

    Also, is there any source that it is a revenue income to "terrorist organizations" ? That sould make the Netflix doc even more interesting.

    The whole counterfiet-thing is crazy.
    I stand by what I said. It’s my money, I’ll spend it how I see fit. 
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    edited March 2021
    MedozK said:
    Robbert said:
    Can someone tell me what the story is behind the orange Benaroya Hall vinyl? Is it unofficial? Because there is a TenClub 2004 sign on the back. Was it a European sell?

    The sound is pretty damn good by the way :)
    It's a bootleg. They just took the CD image and enlarged it. I love how I heard that the record has a glitch in it. Prolly not a lot of QC going on. Hilarious these things are being bought for $100 on ebay. People will buy anything. lol 
    As for the OG, they just took the CD and pressed it to colored vinyl and packaged it in a pretty little limited box. I love how I heard that they had to tear the shrink wrap to number them. Prolly not a lot of QC going on. Hilarious that these things are being sold among “friends” for greater than $2,000. 

    People certainly will buy anything. lol
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,902
    dankind said:
    MedozK said:
    Robbert said:
    Can someone tell me what the story is behind the orange Benaroya Hall vinyl? Is it unofficial? Because there is a TenClub 2004 sign on the back. Was it a European sell?

    The sound is pretty damn good by the way :)
    It's a bootleg. They just took the CD image and enlarged it. I love how I heard that the record has a glitch in it. Prolly not a lot of QC going on. Hilarious these things are being bought for $100 on ebay. People will buy anything. lol 
    As for the OG, they just took the CD and pressed it to colored vinyl and packaged it in a pretty little limited box. I love how I heard that they had to tear the shrink wrap to number them. Prolly not a lot of QC going on. Hilarious that these things are being sold among “friends” for greater than $2,000. 

    People certainly will buy anything. lol
    I've never heard the show on vinyl. But heard other say it sounds amazing. The original really was just a pressing from the CD?
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    mace1229 said:
    dankind said:
    MedozK said:
    Robbert said:
    Can someone tell me what the story is behind the orange Benaroya Hall vinyl? Is it unofficial? Because there is a TenClub 2004 sign on the back. Was it a European sell?

    The sound is pretty damn good by the way :)
    It's a bootleg. They just took the CD image and enlarged it. I love how I heard that the record has a glitch in it. Prolly not a lot of QC going on. Hilarious these things are being bought for $100 on ebay. People will buy anything. lol 
    As for the OG, they just took the CD and pressed it to colored vinyl and packaged it in a pretty little limited box. I love how I heard that they had to tear the shrink wrap to number them. Prolly not a lot of QC going on. Hilarious that these things are being sold among “friends” for greater than $2,000. 

    People certainly will buy anything. lol
    I've never heard the show on vinyl. But heard other say it sounds amazing. The original really was just a pressing from the CD?
    I'll admit I was assuming as much based on their catalog pressings, and I'll be the first to eat crow if I'm wrong.

    If it's analog sourced, it would be one of their only (if not only) analog-sourced releases out there. ("Let Me Sleep" was a tape recorder, no?) 
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  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    edited March 2021
    Lol, Yea I am sure the officially released vinyl cut by John Golden at his professional mastering facility was just a CD player hooked to his cutting lath.

    Of course it was not a CD source, I'm sure it was recorded digitally and then those source files were used to cut the lacquers. You can look at measurements for the Dynamic Range of the vinyl vs the CD and see the difference.

    Long ago, I sold a bunch of stuff and saved to buy my copy for $900. The marketplace dictates the price of these things, as much as we may dislike it you can save up and buy one, forget about and just listen to the CD (which sounds great), complain about it, or buy an overpriced bootleg. The choice is up to the individuals.
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    edited March 2021
    Same digital source was what I was was going for. Sorry I wasn’t clear. From what I recall, the CD sounded great (sold my collection years ago). I’m sure it’s nice to hear that same great source on vinyl.  

    What you’re describing sounds like bootleg shit. :lol:
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  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,320
    dankind said:
    Same digital source was what I was was going for. Sorry I wasn’t clear. From what I recall, the CD sounded great (sold my collection years ago). I’m sure it’s nice to hear that same great source on vinyl.  

    What you’re describing sounds like bootleg shit. :lol:
    Digital source doesn't mean it's the same as the cd. CD is quite limited compared to vinyl 
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    NewJPage said:
    dankind said:
    Same digital source was what I was was going for. Sorry I wasn’t clear. From what I recall, the CD sounded great (sold my collection years ago). I’m sure it’s nice to hear that same great source on vinyl.  

    What you’re describing sounds like bootleg shit. :lol:
    Digital source doesn't mean it's the same as the cd. CD is quite limited compared to vinyl 
    OK. I have great sounding records that were digitally sourced—Petty’s 7LP live anthology and a version I have of Bowie’s Ziggy come to mind—but I have neither the ears (tinnitus) nor the hi-fi equipment to tell the difference between the way those sound and the 4CD Petty set that I wore the hell out of and my old Rykos. I do know that it gives me more joy to spin vinyl. Also, my old Discman has had it.  
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  • darthvedder
    darthvedder Posts: 2,679
    NewJPage said:
    dankind said:
    Same digital source was what I was was going for. Sorry I wasn’t clear. From what I recall, the CD sounded great (sold my collection years ago). I’m sure it’s nice to hear that same great source on vinyl.  

    What you’re describing sounds like bootleg shit. :lol:
    Digital source doesn't mean it's the same as the cd. CD is quite limited compared to vinyl 

    Limited in what way?
  • JV130312
    JV130312 STATE OF LOVE & TRUST Posts: 2,525
    Crazy prices.  Wonder how much they would drop on a re-release.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,568
    JV130312 said:
    Crazy prices.  Wonder how much they would drop on a re-release.
    Is there a history of super expensive vinyl going down in prices with a re-release?

    I can understand e.g. Riot Act or No Code doing it because people bough them to actually play them, and had to pay 60-100 dollars or wahtever they are/were prices at.

    But if you buy something for 3000 dollars. Are you in the same market as the ones who would buy it because they wanna spin it instead of playing the CD?
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    I can attest to the beauty of this record set. I owned it before I upgraded my system and it sounded awesome. Though with a much better CD player, & amp, the CD version is gorgeous. Don’t get caught in the trap of thinking you’ll
    hear something that isn’t detectable on the CD release and drop $2k. 
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    Also, FWIW, I bought an opened used Benny for $535. 
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  • tdawe
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    JV130312 said:
    Crazy prices.  Wonder how much they would drop on a re-release.
    Would depend on the manner of the re-release. If they did another club-exclusive run similar to the last one, it would take a huge bite out of the resale value for the original. If they just did a wide release through non-club channels, it probably wouldn’t bring down the value of the 10C box by very much. 
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  • JBob87
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    NewJPage said:
    dankind said:
    Same digital source was what I was was going for. Sorry I wasn’t clear. From what I recall, the CD sounded great (sold my collection years ago). I’m sure it’s nice to hear that same great source on vinyl.  

    What you’re describing sounds like bootleg shit. :lol:
    Digital source doesn't mean it's the same as the cd. CD is quite limited compared to vinyl 
    How would bootleggers have access to a better digital source than the CD?
  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,320
    JBob87 said:
    NewJPage said:
    dankind said:
    Same digital source was what I was was going for. Sorry I wasn’t clear. From what I recall, the CD sounded great (sold my collection years ago). I’m sure it’s nice to hear that same great source on vinyl.  

    What you’re describing sounds like bootleg shit. :lol:
    Digital source doesn't mean it's the same as the cd. CD is quite limited compared to vinyl 
    How would bootleggers have access to a better digital source than the CD?
    They don't. That's why the bootleg vinyl doesn't make sense 
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  • PB11041
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    2-feign-reluctance said:
    I can attest to the beauty of this record set. I owned it before I upgraded my system and it sounded awesome. Though with a much better CD player, & amp, the CD version is gorgeous. Don’t get caught in the trap of thinking you’ll
    hear something that isn’t detectable on the CD release and drop $2k. 
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