long time ago i bought the last one in the shop and told the 10c people it was going to a good home. i had called in . it is as promised in a good home. hasn't moved from the spot i put it in years ago. integrity.
these things aren't about the money for me. i'm a music addict with no hope for a cure. and certainly don't want a vaccine. nor a 12 step program. i send music out to people every day.
these things aren't about the money for me. i'm a music addict with no hope for a cure. and certainly don't want a vaccine. nor a 12 step program. i send music out to people every day.
How many sealed copies would we guess are left? Couple hundred?
Mine is #1,000 and sealed.
Nashville '00 Houston, B'ham, Nashville, Atlanta '03 Toledo, Grand Rapids '04 Kitchener, London '05 Camden x 2, D.C., Cincy, San Fran x 3 '06 Chicago '07 Columbia '08 MSG x 2 '10; PJ 20 x 2 '11 Atlanta '12 Wrigley '13 St. Louis, Memphis '14 Lexington '15 Wrigley '16 Wrigley x 2 '18 Nashville '22
What’s the difference between the ones that are numbered and the ones that are not? Anything?
No difference. Best guess, is that usually when you create limited edition items you do a bit of an overrun (like 10%?). 10c seemed to do that with benaroya and sold various copies (or auctioned them off) over the years. As they're all hand numbered, it just means they weren't part of the original 2000 sold. They were copies they held back for a bit before selling them.
Imagine buying a sealed copy only to find out it has warpred or worse? I would never buy that set sealed unless I was literally in a place to light my money on fire for kicks.
What’s the difference between the ones that are numbered and the ones that are not? Anything?
No difference. Best guess, is that usually when you create limited edition items you do a bit of an overrun (like 10%?). 10c seemed to do that with benaroya and sold various copies (or auctioned them off) over the years. As they're all hand numbered, it just means they weren't part of the original 2000 sold. They were copies they held back for a bit before selling them.
I've been pretty tempted to buy a bootleg of Tool's Aenima album. Been waiting years for a re-release. I've been tempted many times to buy a bootleg just so I can spin it.
Saw that Aenima bootleg vinyl too in stores. Tempted but passed.
Also don't bother w the QOTSA ST boot, another horrible pressing.
Learned this the hard way years ago. At that point I wasn't even aware that I should be on the lookout for bootlegs in a store. It's total junk.
Boots can sometimes be surprising. I have Chris Cornell’ Songbook and it sounds pristine. Better than the CD. Got it for cheap a few months ago cause the going rate for an official was stupid high. Same thing for RHCP Hyde Park and a few live unreleased Radiohead lps (Germany 2001 and Austin City Limits 2012); they sound as good if not better than my first pressing I Might Be Wrong lp. They really sound great. Never struck gold on bootleg versions of studio albums, but the live ones sometimes seem to do an amazing job.
Wish I could say the same about my Atlanta ‘94 PJ vinyl. Got this one out of nostalgia for my 3cd digipack that I overplayed for years. Vinyl is just meh; especially now that we have the full audio form 10C.
Other than the main copyright issue, my second big issue is how do you know? I guess if you're pretty dialed in and do the research you'll be ok. I was an average schmuck when I bought that Queens record, having no idea it was a bootleg nor that it sucked. That and a couple similar issues (TOTD bootleg, bad Lucero press) slowed down my vinyl purchasing for a decent stretch.
Yeah, there are some albums that I won't even attempt to purchase (Mirrorball comes to mind) because there are just too many bootleg versions out there.
Having said that, the bootleg copy of Le Noise I was gifted doesn't sound too shabby.
Yea, they key to Mirror Ball is you have to make sure the runout information is correct. Most bootleggers aren't really trying to "Copy" the originals. They're just flooding the market with inferior goods, so they usually don't copy runouts.
So with Mirror Ball, just look for the SRC logo, showing it was pressed at Specialty Records.
Today years old when I discovered I had a bootleg Mirror Ball. No SRC. Bummed - also appreciate the knowledge shared. I can put it beside my bootleg TOTD that I discovered a year or so ago. Buyer beware on some of those records frequently booted.
Thanks MedozK!
Re: the Benny Boot...will be interesting to see how limited it really is. These could be pressed and pressed to fill pent up demand. Even if claimed to limited, it’s not like a bootlegger would necessarily honor that. I’m in the originalist camp, but obviously still need to learn a thing or two myself to stay there.
I've been pretty tempted to buy a bootleg of Tool's Aenima album. Been waiting years for a re-release. I've been tempted many times to buy a bootleg just so I can spin it.
Saw that Aenima bootleg vinyl too in stores. Tempted but passed.
Also don't bother w the QOTSA ST boot, another horrible pressing.
Learned this the hard way years ago. At that point I wasn't even aware that I should be on the lookout for bootlegs in a store. It's total junk.
Boots can sometimes be surprising. I have Chris Cornell’ Songbook and it sounds pristine. Better than the CD. Got it for cheap a few months ago cause the going rate for an official was stupid high. Same thing for RHCP Hyde Park and a few live unreleased Radiohead lps (Germany 2001 and Austin City Limits 2012); they sound as good if not better than my first pressing I Might Be Wrong lp. They really sound great. Never struck gold on bootleg versions of studio albums, but the live ones sometimes seem to do an amazing job.
Wish I could say the same about my Atlanta ‘94 PJ vinyl. Got this one out of nostalgia for my 3cd digipack that I overplayed for years. Vinyl is just meh; especially now that we have the full audio form 10C.
Other than the main copyright issue, my second big issue is how do you know? I guess if you're pretty dialed in and do the research you'll be ok. I was an average schmuck when I bought that Queens record, having no idea it was a bootleg nor that it sucked. That and a couple similar issues (TOTD bootleg, bad Lucero press) slowed down my vinyl purchasing for a decent stretch.
Yeah, there are some albums that I won't even attempt to purchase (Mirrorball comes to mind) because there are just too many bootleg versions out there.
Having said that, the bootleg copy of Le Noise I was gifted doesn't sound too shabby.
Yea, they key to Mirror Ball is you have to make sure the runout information is correct. Most bootleggers aren't really trying to "Copy" the originals. They're just flooding the market with inferior goods, so they usually don't copy runouts.
So with Mirror Ball, just look for the SRC logo, showing it was pressed at Specialty Records.
Today years old when I discovered I had a bootleg Mirror Ball. No SRC. Bummed - also appreciate the knowledge shared. I can put it beside my bootleg TOTD that I discovered a year or so ago. Buyer beware on some of those records frequently booted.
Thanks MedozK!
Re: the Benny Boot...will be interesting to see how limited it really is. These could be pressed and pressed to fill pent up demand. Even if claimed to limited, it’s not like a bootlegger would necessarily honor that. I’m in the originalist camp, but obviously still need to learn a thing or two myself to stay there.
So the German Reprise Mirrorball LP Reissue is Unofficial?
Bridge Benefit 1994, San Francisco 1995, San Diego 1995 1 & 2, Missoula 1998, Los Angeles 2000, San Diego 2000, Eddie Vedder/Beck 2/26/2002, Santa Barbara 2003, Irvine 2003, San Diego 2003, Vancouver 2005, Gorge 2005, San Diego 2006, Los Angeles 2006 1 & 2, Santa Barbara 2006, Eddie Vedder 4/10/08, Eddie Vedder 4/12/08, Eddie Vedder 4/15/08, 7/12/2008, SF 8/28/09, LA 9/30/09, LA 10/1/09, LA 10/06/09, LA 10/07/09, San Diego 10/09/09, Eddie Vedder 7/6/2011, Eddie Vedder 7/8/2011, PJ20 9/3/2011, PJ20 9/4/2011, Vancouver 9/25/2011, San Diego 11/21/13, LA 11/24/13, Ohana 9/25/21, Ohana 9/26/21, Ohana 10/1/21, EV 2/17/22, LA Forum 5/6/22, LA Forum 5/7/22, EV 10/1/22, EV 9/30/23
when did that reissue come out? I bought mine I have to think about 10 years ago... I remember seeing a brand new sealed one in a local record store a year or two after that an assuming it was bootleg, but thinking mine must be completely legit
when did that reissue come out? I bought mine I have to think about 10 years ago... I remember seeing a brand new sealed one in a local record store a year or two after that an assuming it was bootleg, but thinking mine must be completely legit
The bootleg was about 2012. The 1995 SRC pressings are the only legit ones that I know of.
The US version was cut by Chris Bellman (CB in the runout), and pressed at SRC. The EU version, also cut by Bellman was pressed by WMME Alsdorf. (Which is in the runout), some EU versions used US plates, so you could see SRC on a EU pressing.
when did that reissue come out? I bought mine I have to think about 10 years ago... I remember seeing a brand new sealed one in a local record store a year or two after that an assuming it was bootleg, but thinking mine must be completely legit
The bootleg was about 2012. The 1995 SRC pressings are the only legit ones that I know of.
The US version was cut by Chris Bellman (CB in the runout), and pressed at SRC. The EU version, also cut by Bellman was pressed by WMME Alsdorf. (Which is in the runout), some EU versions used US plates, so you could see SRC on a EU pressing.
I'm going to have to take a closer look when I get home.
I found the email from when I bought it. I bought mine in 2010 from a seller on Musicstack. Description says 1995 Geman pressing.
Given the date that seems promising, and the description does specifically mention it was 15 years old. Paid 65.25 Canadian Dollars for it.
There's a lot of people apparently in a position to burn their money for kicks..... the card collecting resale market is bonkers too. Who would have thought that those $1/$2 packs of cards back in the 80s and early nineties may reward you with a card or two that someone is willing to spends hundreds of dollars for today.
There's a lot of people apparently in a position to burn their money for kicks..... the card collecting resale market is bonkers too. Who would have thought that those $1/$2 packs of cards back in the 80s and early nineties may reward you with a card or two that someone is willing to spends hundreds of dollars for today.
Are cards a thing again? I think a lot of people collected cards in the early 90s. So many of us have a box of cards somewhere from that era I always assumed they weren't worth much because so many were printed (due to popularity).
There's a lot of people apparently in a position to burn their money for kicks..... the card collecting resale market is bonkers too. Who would have thought that those $1/$2 packs of cards back in the 80s and early nineties may reward you with a card or two that someone is willing to spends hundreds of dollars for today.
Are cards a thing again? I think a lot of people collected cards in the early 90s. So many of us have a box of cards somewhere from that era I always assumed they weren't worth much because so many were printed (due to popularity).
There's a lot of people apparently in a position to burn their money for kicks..... the card collecting resale market is bonkers too. Who would have thought that those $1/$2 packs of cards back in the 80s and early nineties may reward you with a card or two that someone is willing to spends hundreds of dollars for today.
Are cards a thing again? I think a lot of people collected cards in the early 90s. So many of us have a box of cards somewhere from that era I always assumed they weren't worth much because so many were printed (due to popularity).
The only stuff from that era going for a decent amount are the top cards with 10 grades. UD Griffey and things like that. Vintage and new releases are on fire, though.
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Damn, especially on an open copy. Wonder how much that would of fetched if it was sealed.
Same here.
Mine is #1,000 and sealed.
Houston, B'ham, Nashville, Atlanta '03
Toledo, Grand Rapids '04
Kitchener, London '05
Camden x 2, D.C., Cincy, San Fran x 3 '06
Chicago '07
Columbia '08
MSG x 2 '10;
PJ 20 x 2 '11
Atlanta '12
Wrigley '13
St. Louis, Memphis '14
Lexington '15
Wrigley '16
Wrigley x 2 '18
Nashville '22
No difference. Best guess, is that usually when you create limited edition items you do a bit of an overrun (like 10%?). 10c seemed to do that with benaroya and sold various copies (or auctioned them off) over the years. As they're all hand numbered, it just means they weren't part of the original 2000 sold. They were copies they held back for a bit before selling them.
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I'm still not sure how I feel about the decision...
I do miss it...
Pearl Jam Oct 22, 2003 Benaroya Hall Box Set 4 LP Red Wine Colored Vinyl Sealed
The US version was cut by Chris Bellman (CB in the runout), and pressed at SRC.
The EU version, also cut by Bellman was pressed by WMME Alsdorf. (Which is in the runout), some EU versions used US plates, so you could see SRC on a EU pressing.
I found the email from when I bought it. I bought mine in 2010 from a seller on Musicstack. Description says 1995 Geman pressing.
Given the date that seems promising, and the description does specifically mention it was 15 years old. Paid 65.25 Canadian Dollars for it.
Are cards a thing again? I think a lot of people collected cards in the early 90s. So many of us have a box of cards somewhere from that era