#46 President Joe Biden

mickeyrat

The Juggler said:

Should they end the filibuster to pass gun legislation?

I have a funny feeling republicans will say now is not the time, and then get back to the hard work of making it harder for people to vote...

what do we know about that guy. etc?

plenty of holes to fillfor sure but guarantee, it hits SCOTUS  and a 6-3 decision

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Upwards of 3000 at a time in this facility.  Those “cages” are where the illegal immigrants are being detained, apparently organized by size (lol, not gender because this is the woke age and there’s no such thing as gender). Those are their aluminum sleeping blankets.  Daily there are dozens of sexual assaults, assaults, pregnancies, births, & medical emergencies.  

1 out of 3 women making the trek north are being raped by the cartels they say, and this includes girls as young as 6.

50 of those in these photos are positive with Wuhan-they haven’t been removed because there’s nowhere to put them.  

Some of these facilities have untreated, unsafe water as well.

This is coming from the “humanitarian administration?!?.”   WTF is humanitarian about this??  Turning your back on your own border patrol, not visiting them to see for yourself, and telling people to come to the states during your whole campaign and then acting like you didn’t when shit hits the fan.

If we had lockdowns around the country for “safety,” when it made no sense, wouldn’t it make sense to use that excuse NOW?  

I don’t think they had any idea what they were starting by ending Trunp’s border policies.  It’s too late now though, let’s hope they wake up and realize this is a dangerous situation for them and us.

that nutjob Lauren Boebert posted her criticism of Biden "wasting taxpayer dollars" on housing these people in a hotel, at a cost of $86M per year. 

which is it? Humane treatment at the expense of the taxpayer, or more gaslighting? I'm guessing you prefer the latter, cuz you sure didn't give two fucks about this until Biden became prez. 

I’m not familiar with Boebert, but how is it not fair to criticize the nearly $90 million being spent? This crisis was created by Biden. When he announced 100 day ban on deportations and that minors would be placed into the system, who didn’t expect this? When you announce 100 days of open borders you get open borders. The result is the system is overwhelmed. This place, and everyone else who was outraged before, have been oddly quiet. Conditions are likely even worse than what causes all the uproar, except we don’t know for sure because media isn’t allowed in to show.

I personally don’t think the conditions were unethical before. I don’t agree with the separation of kids, but strictly speaking on conditions when used as temporary housing. They weren’t drinking toilet water as some claimed. They had been in place for years before Trump and everyone was fine with it then too. But it is a waste of taxpayer money when it could have been avoided.

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Upwards of 3000 at a time in this facility.  Those “cages” are where the illegal immigrants are being detained, apparently organized by size (lol, not gender because this is the woke age and there’s no such thing as gender). Those are their aluminum sleeping blankets.  Daily there are dozens of sexual assaults, assaults, pregnancies, births, & medical emergencies.  

1 out of 3 women making the trek north are being raped by the cartels they say, and this includes girls as young as 6.

50 of those in these photos are positive with Wuhan-they haven’t been removed because there’s nowhere to put them.  

Some of these facilities have untreated, unsafe water as well.

This is coming from the “humanitarian administration?!?.”   WTF is humanitarian about this??  Turning your back on your own border patrol, not visiting them to see for yourself, and telling people to come to the states during your whole campaign and then acting like you didn’t when shit hits the fan.

If we had lockdowns around the country for “safety,” when it made no sense, wouldn’t it make sense to use that excuse NOW?  

I don’t think they had any idea what they were starting by ending Trunp’s border policies.  It’s too late now though, let’s hope they wake up and realize this is a dangerous situation for them and us.

that nutjob Lauren Boebert posted her criticism of Biden "wasting taxpayer dollars" on housing these people in a hotel, at a cost of $86M per year. 

which is it? Humane treatment at the expense of the taxpayer, or more gaslighting? I'm guessing you prefer the latter, cuz you sure didn't give two fucks about this until Biden became prez. 

I’m not familiar with Boebert, but how is it not fair to criticize the nearly $90 million being spent? This crisis was created by Biden. When he announced 100 day ban on deportations and that minors would be placed into the system, who didn’t expect this? When you announce 100 days of open borders you get open borders. The result is the system is overwhelmed. This place, and everyone else who was outraged before, have been oddly quiet. Conditions are likely even worse than what causes all the uproar, except we don’t know for sure because media isn’t allowed in to show.

I personally don’t think the conditions were unethical before. I don’t agree with the separation of kids, but strictly speaking on conditions when used as temporary housing. They weren’t drinking toilet water as some claimed. They had been in place for years before Trump and everyone was fine with it then too. But it is a waste of taxpayer money when it could have been avoided.

incorrect on a few levels. 

temp ban on deportation does not, in any sense of the phrase, equal "open borders". 

yes, there were detentions before. But prior to trump, kids weren't separated from their parents as punishment or policy. They were only separated if the parents were deemed a risk to the child. This is the big republican talking point, that "obama did it too". No, he didn't. And neither is biden.

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Upwards of 3000 at a time in this facility.  Those “cages” are where the illegal immigrants are being detained, apparently organized by size (lol, not gender because this is the woke age and there’s no such thing as gender). Those are their aluminum sleeping blankets.  Daily there are dozens of sexual assaults, assaults, pregnancies, births, & medical emergencies.  

1 out of 3 women making the trek north are being raped by the cartels they say, and this includes girls as young as 6.

50 of those in these photos are positive with Wuhan-they haven’t been removed because there’s nowhere to put them.  

Some of these facilities have untreated, unsafe water as well.

This is coming from the “humanitarian administration?!?.”   WTF is humanitarian about this??  Turning your back on your own border patrol, not visiting them to see for yourself, and telling people to come to the states during your whole campaign and then acting like you didn’t when shit hits the fan.

If we had lockdowns around the country for “safety,” when it made no sense, wouldn’t it make sense to use that excuse NOW?  

I don’t think they had any idea what they were starting by ending Trunp’s border policies.  It’s too late now though, let’s hope they wake up and realize this is a dangerous situation for them and us.

that nutjob Lauren Boebert posted her criticism of Biden "wasting taxpayer dollars" on housing these people in a hotel, at a cost of $86M per year. 

which is it? Humane treatment at the expense of the taxpayer, or more gaslighting? I'm guessing you prefer the latter, cuz you sure didn't give two fucks about this until Biden became prez. 

I’m not familiar with Boebert, but how is it not fair to criticize the nearly $90 million being spent? This crisis was created by Biden. When he announced 100 day ban on deportations and that minors would be placed into the system, who didn’t expect this? When you announce 100 days of open borders you get open borders. The result is the system is overwhelmed. This place, and everyone else who was outraged before, have been oddly quiet. Conditions are likely even worse than what causes all the uproar, except we don’t know for sure because media isn’t allowed in to show.

I personally don’t think the conditions were unethical before. I don’t agree with the separation of kids, but strictly speaking on conditions when used as temporary housing. They weren’t drinking toilet water as some claimed. They had been in place for years before Trump and everyone was fine with it then too. But it is a waste of taxpayer money when it could have been avoided.

incorrect on a few levels. 

temp ban on deportation does not, in any sense of the phrase, equal "open borders". 

yes, there were detentions before. But prior to trump, kids weren't separated from their parents as punishment or policy. They were only separated if the parents were deemed a risk to the child. This is the big republican talking point, that "obama did it too". No, he didn't. And neither is biden.

I read recently that border apprehensions of illegals are on pace with 2019. 

What crisis exists now, that didn't exist then? 

As far as I'm concerned, if they ended the child separation policy, we're already doing better than the prior admin. 

HughFreakingDillon

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Upwards of 3000 at a time in this facility.  Those “cages” are where the illegal immigrants are being detained, apparently organized by size (lol, not gender because this is the woke age and there’s no such thing as gender). Those are their aluminum sleeping blankets.  Daily there are dozens of sexual assaults, assaults, pregnancies, births, & medical emergencies.  

1 out of 3 women making the trek north are being raped by the cartels they say, and this includes girls as young as 6.

50 of those in these photos are positive with Wuhan-they haven’t been removed because there’s nowhere to put them.  

Some of these facilities have untreated, unsafe water as well.

This is coming from the “humanitarian administration?!?.”   WTF is humanitarian about this??  Turning your back on your own border patrol, not visiting them to see for yourself, and telling people to come to the states during your whole campaign and then acting like you didn’t when shit hits the fan.

If we had lockdowns around the country for “safety,” when it made no sense, wouldn’t it make sense to use that excuse NOW?  

I don’t think they had any idea what they were starting by ending Trunp’s border policies.  It’s too late now though, let’s hope they wake up and realize this is a dangerous situation for them and us.

that nutjob Lauren Boebert posted her criticism of Biden "wasting taxpayer dollars" on housing these people in a hotel, at a cost of $86M per year. 

which is it? Humane treatment at the expense of the taxpayer, or more gaslighting? I'm guessing you prefer the latter, cuz you sure didn't give two fucks about this until Biden became prez. 

I’m not familiar with Boebert, but how is it not fair to criticize the nearly $90 million being spent? This crisis was created by Biden. When he announced 100 day ban on deportations and that minors would be placed into the system, who didn’t expect this? When you announce 100 days of open borders you get open borders. The result is the system is overwhelmed. This place, and everyone else who was outraged before, have been oddly quiet. Conditions are likely even worse than what causes all the uproar, except we don’t know for sure because media isn’t allowed in to show.

I personally don’t think the conditions were unethical before. I don’t agree with the separation of kids, but strictly speaking on conditions when used as temporary housing. They weren’t drinking toilet water as some claimed. They had been in place for years before Trump and everyone was fine with it then too. But it is a waste of taxpayer money when it could have been avoided.

incorrect on a few levels. 

temp ban on deportation does not, in any sense of the phrase, equal "open borders". 

yes, there were detentions before. But prior to trump, kids weren't separated from their parents as punishment or policy. They were only separated if the parents were deemed a risk to the child. This is the big republican talking point, that "obama did it too". No, he didn't. And neither is biden.

I read recently that border apprehensions of illegals are on pace with 2019. 

What crisis exists now, that didn't exist then? 

As far as I'm concerned, if they ended the child separation policy, we're already doing better than the prior admin. 

everything I've read states that there is a surge like they hadn't seen before. 

Maybe it's liberal drama?

Maybe it's the Caravan?

Maybe it's Maybeline. 

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Upwards of 3000 at a time in this facility.  Those “cages” are where the illegal immigrants are being detained, apparently organized by size (lol, not gender because this is the woke age and there’s no such thing as gender). Those are their aluminum sleeping blankets.  Daily there are dozens of sexual assaults, assaults, pregnancies, births, & medical emergencies.  

1 out of 3 women making the trek north are being raped by the cartels they say, and this includes girls as young as 6.

50 of those in these photos are positive with Wuhan-they haven’t been removed because there’s nowhere to put them.  

Some of these facilities have untreated, unsafe water as well.

This is coming from the “humanitarian administration?!?.”   WTF is humanitarian about this??  Turning your back on your own border patrol, not visiting them to see for yourself, and telling people to come to the states during your whole campaign and then acting like you didn’t when shit hits the fan.

If we had lockdowns around the country for “safety,” when it made no sense, wouldn’t it make sense to use that excuse NOW?  

I don’t think they had any idea what they were starting by ending Trunp’s border policies.  It’s too late now though, let’s hope they wake up and realize this is a dangerous situation for them and us.

that nutjob Lauren Boebert posted her criticism of Biden "wasting taxpayer dollars" on housing these people in a hotel, at a cost of $86M per year. 

which is it? Humane treatment at the expense of the taxpayer, or more gaslighting? I'm guessing you prefer the latter, cuz you sure didn't give two fucks about this until Biden became prez. 

I’m not familiar with Boebert, but how is it not fair to criticize the nearly $90 million being spent? This crisis was created by Biden. When he announced 100 day ban on deportations and that minors would be placed into the system, who didn’t expect this? When you announce 100 days of open borders you get open borders. The result is the system is overwhelmed. This place, and everyone else who was outraged before, have been oddly quiet. Conditions are likely even worse than what causes all the uproar, except we don’t know for sure because media isn’t allowed in to show.

I personally don’t think the conditions were unethical before. I don’t agree with the separation of kids, but strictly speaking on conditions when used as temporary housing. They weren’t drinking toilet water as some claimed. They had been in place for years before Trump and everyone was fine with it then too. But it is a waste of taxpayer money when it could have been avoided.

incorrect on a few levels. 

temp ban on deportation does not, in any sense of the phrase, equal "open borders". 

yes, there were detentions before. But prior to trump, kids weren't separated from their parents as punishment or policy. They were only separated if the parents were deemed a risk to the child. This is the big republican talking point, that "obama did it too". No, he didn't. And neither is biden.

I read recently that border apprehensions of illegals are on pace with 2019. 

What crisis exists now, that didn't exist then? 

As far as I'm concerned, if they ended the child separation policy, we're already doing better than the prior admin. 

everything I've read states that there is a surge like they hadn't seen before. 

Maybe it's liberal drama?

Maybe it's the Caravan?

Maybe it's Maybeline. 

Why would liberals be stirring drama up around this issue 60 days into Biden's administration? 

The Juggler

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Upwards of 3000 at a time in this facility.  Those “cages” are where the illegal immigrants are being detained, apparently organized by size (lol, not gender because this is the woke age and there’s no such thing as gender). Those are their aluminum sleeping blankets.  Daily there are dozens of sexual assaults, assaults, pregnancies, births, & medical emergencies.  

1 out of 3 women making the trek north are being raped by the cartels they say, and this includes girls as young as 6.

50 of those in these photos are positive with Wuhan-they haven’t been removed because there’s nowhere to put them.  

Some of these facilities have untreated, unsafe water as well.

This is coming from the “humanitarian administration?!?.”   WTF is humanitarian about this??  Turning your back on your own border patrol, not visiting them to see for yourself, and telling people to come to the states during your whole campaign and then acting like you didn’t when shit hits the fan.

If we had lockdowns around the country for “safety,” when it made no sense, wouldn’t it make sense to use that excuse NOW?  

I don’t think they had any idea what they were starting by ending Trunp’s border policies.  It’s too late now though, let’s hope they wake up and realize this is a dangerous situation for them and us.

that nutjob Lauren Boebert posted her criticism of Biden "wasting taxpayer dollars" on housing these people in a hotel, at a cost of $86M per year. 

which is it? Humane treatment at the expense of the taxpayer, or more gaslighting? I'm guessing you prefer the latter, cuz you sure didn't give two fucks about this until Biden became prez. 

I’m not familiar with Boebert, but how is it not fair to criticize the nearly $90 million being spent? This crisis was created by Biden. When he announced 100 day ban on deportations and that minors would be placed into the system, who didn’t expect this? When you announce 100 days of open borders you get open borders. The result is the system is overwhelmed. This place, and everyone else who was outraged before, have been oddly quiet. Conditions are likely even worse than what causes all the uproar, except we don’t know for sure because media isn’t allowed in to show.

I personally don’t think the conditions were unethical before. I don’t agree with the separation of kids, but strictly speaking on conditions when used as temporary housing. They weren’t drinking toilet water as some claimed. They had been in place for years before Trump and everyone was fine with it then too. But it is a waste of taxpayer money when it could have been avoided.

incorrect on a few levels. 

temp ban on deportation does not, in any sense of the phrase, equal "open borders". 

yes, there were detentions before. But prior to trump, kids weren't separated from their parents as punishment or policy. They were only separated if the parents were deemed a risk to the child. This is the big republican talking point, that "obama did it too". No, he didn't. And neither is biden.

I read recently that border apprehensions of illegals are on pace with 2019. 

What crisis exists now, that didn't exist then? 

As far as I'm concerned, if they ended the child separation policy, we're already doing better than the prior admin. 

everything I've read states that there is a surge like they hadn't seen before. 

Maybe it's liberal drama?

Maybe it's the Caravan?

Maybe it's Maybeline. 

Why would liberals be stirring drama up around this issue 60 days into Biden's administration? 

It's definitely a problem, but you are right...it's really no bigger problem than it was a year or so ago. At least we have an administration we trust to deal with it in a better way than the last one did. 

I also think the media feels an obligation to try and be tough on this administration since it was so easy to be tough on the last administration. Might be why all the Sunday shows lead with this the other day. Of course the Fox's and Oan's of the world will overblow this to oblivion and that is what leads to certain hypocrites coming here and pretending to care about things they could not give two shits about for the last four years. Same deal with the deficit and stuff. Fraud Conservatives. 

HughFreakingDillon

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Upwards of 3000 at a time in this facility.  Those “cages” are where the illegal immigrants are being detained, apparently organized by size (lol, not gender because this is the woke age and there’s no such thing as gender). Those are their aluminum sleeping blankets.  Daily there are dozens of sexual assaults, assaults, pregnancies, births, & medical emergencies.  

1 out of 3 women making the trek north are being raped by the cartels they say, and this includes girls as young as 6.

50 of those in these photos are positive with Wuhan-they haven’t been removed because there’s nowhere to put them.  

Some of these facilities have untreated, unsafe water as well.

This is coming from the “humanitarian administration?!?.”   WTF is humanitarian about this??  Turning your back on your own border patrol, not visiting them to see for yourself, and telling people to come to the states during your whole campaign and then acting like you didn’t when shit hits the fan.

If we had lockdowns around the country for “safety,” when it made no sense, wouldn’t it make sense to use that excuse NOW?  

I don’t think they had any idea what they were starting by ending Trunp’s border policies.  It’s too late now though, let’s hope they wake up and realize this is a dangerous situation for them and us.

that nutjob Lauren Boebert posted her criticism of Biden "wasting taxpayer dollars" on housing these people in a hotel, at a cost of $86M per year. 

which is it? Humane treatment at the expense of the taxpayer, or more gaslighting? I'm guessing you prefer the latter, cuz you sure didn't give two fucks about this until Biden became prez. 

I’m not familiar with Boebert, but how is it not fair to criticize the nearly $90 million being spent? This crisis was created by Biden. When he announced 100 day ban on deportations and that minors would be placed into the system, who didn’t expect this? When you announce 100 days of open borders you get open borders. The result is the system is overwhelmed. This place, and everyone else who was outraged before, have been oddly quiet. Conditions are likely even worse than what causes all the uproar, except we don’t know for sure because media isn’t allowed in to show.

I personally don’t think the conditions were unethical before. I don’t agree with the separation of kids, but strictly speaking on conditions when used as temporary housing. They weren’t drinking toilet water as some claimed. They had been in place for years before Trump and everyone was fine with it then too. But it is a waste of taxpayer money when it could have been avoided.

incorrect on a few levels. 

temp ban on deportation does not, in any sense of the phrase, equal "open borders". 

yes, there were detentions before. But prior to trump, kids weren't separated from their parents as punishment or policy. They were only separated if the parents were deemed a risk to the child. This is the big republican talking point, that "obama did it too". No, he didn't. And neither is biden.

I read recently that border apprehensions of illegals are on pace with 2019. 

What crisis exists now, that didn't exist then? 

As far as I'm concerned, if they ended the child separation policy, we're already doing better than the prior admin. 

everything I've read states that there is a surge like they hadn't seen before. 

Maybe it's liberal drama?

Maybe it's the Caravan?

Maybe it's Maybeline. 

Why would liberals be stirring drama up around this issue 60 days into Biden's administration? 

It's definitely a problem, but you are right...it's really no bigger problem than it was a year or so ago. At least we have an administration we trust to deal with in a better way than the last one did. 

I also think the media feels an obligation to try and be tough on this administration since it was so easy to be tough on the last administration. Might be why all the Sunday shows lead with this the other day. 

this. I mentioned this a couple weeks ago. I don't watch a ton of MSM, but I watch the odd clip, usually on CNN. I noticed a very stark shift in tone, especially with Jake Tapper. I think they know that, without their cash cow in the WH, people no longer have a reason to tune into the daily shit show, so they are trying to gain back viewership among moderates and centre rights. 

they are desperately trying to get credibility back across the board with all the damage republicans did with "fake news" the past several years. 

Merkin Baller

The Juggler said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Upwards of 3000 at a time in this facility.  Those “cages” are where the illegal immigrants are being detained, apparently organized by size (lol, not gender because this is the woke age and there’s no such thing as gender). Those are their aluminum sleeping blankets.  Daily there are dozens of sexual assaults, assaults, pregnancies, births, & medical emergencies.  

1 out of 3 women making the trek north are being raped by the cartels they say, and this includes girls as young as 6.

50 of those in these photos are positive with Wuhan-they haven’t been removed because there’s nowhere to put them.  

Some of these facilities have untreated, unsafe water as well.

This is coming from the “humanitarian administration?!?.”   WTF is humanitarian about this??  Turning your back on your own border patrol, not visiting them to see for yourself, and telling people to come to the states during your whole campaign and then acting like you didn’t when shit hits the fan.

If we had lockdowns around the country for “safety,” when it made no sense, wouldn’t it make sense to use that excuse NOW?  

I don’t think they had any idea what they were starting by ending Trunp’s border policies.  It’s too late now though, let’s hope they wake up and realize this is a dangerous situation for them and us.

that nutjob Lauren Boebert posted her criticism of Biden "wasting taxpayer dollars" on housing these people in a hotel, at a cost of $86M per year. 

which is it? Humane treatment at the expense of the taxpayer, or more gaslighting? I'm guessing you prefer the latter, cuz you sure didn't give two fucks about this until Biden became prez. 

I’m not familiar with Boebert, but how is it not fair to criticize the nearly $90 million being spent? This crisis was created by Biden. When he announced 100 day ban on deportations and that minors would be placed into the system, who didn’t expect this? When you announce 100 days of open borders you get open borders. The result is the system is overwhelmed. This place, and everyone else who was outraged before, have been oddly quiet. Conditions are likely even worse than what causes all the uproar, except we don’t know for sure because media isn’t allowed in to show.

I personally don’t think the conditions were unethical before. I don’t agree with the separation of kids, but strictly speaking on conditions when used as temporary housing. They weren’t drinking toilet water as some claimed. They had been in place for years before Trump and everyone was fine with it then too. But it is a waste of taxpayer money when it could have been avoided.

incorrect on a few levels. 

temp ban on deportation does not, in any sense of the phrase, equal "open borders". 

yes, there were detentions before. But prior to trump, kids weren't separated from their parents as punishment or policy. They were only separated if the parents were deemed a risk to the child. This is the big republican talking point, that "obama did it too". No, he didn't. And neither is biden.

I read recently that border apprehensions of illegals are on pace with 2019. 

What crisis exists now, that didn't exist then? 

As far as I'm concerned, if they ended the child separation policy, we're already doing better than the prior admin. 

everything I've read states that there is a surge like they hadn't seen before. 

Maybe it's liberal drama?

Maybe it's the Caravan?

Maybe it's Maybeline. 

Why would liberals be stirring drama up around this issue 60 days into Biden's administration? 

It's definitely a problem, but you are right...it's really no bigger problem than it was a year or so ago. At least we have an administration we trust to deal with it in a better way than the last one did. 

I also think the media feels an obligation to try and be tough on this administration since it was so easy to be tough on the last administration. Might be why all the Sunday shows lead with this the other day. Of course the Fox's and Oan's of the world will overblow this to oblivion and that is what leads to certain hypocrites coming here and pretending to care about things they could not give two shits about for the last four years. Same deal with the deficit and stuff. Fraud Conservatives. 

I think it has less to do with any sense of obligation to treat the administrations equally than it does the media's bottom line: 

Clicks & interactions & page views - the media isn't in the bag for the left or the right, they're in the bag for the media. 

The last administration was a new crisis or headline every other minute... this administration is boring AF compared to the last one... let's not understate just how much the media is missing all those clicks & page views. 

The Juggler

^
Yeah. Tapper, especially, has always been fair though. I remember dems complaining about him when he covered the Obama White House.

Ratings are down for cable news and I for one LOVE IT. My anxiety levels are so much lower compared to before when there was breaking news multiple times a day, every day. lol 

HughFreakingDillon

The Juggler said:

^
Yeah. Tapper, especially, has always been fair though. I remember dems complaining about him when he covered the Obama White House.

Ratings are down for cable news and I for one LOVE IT. My anxiety levels are so much lower compared to before when there was breaking news multiple times a day, every day. lol 

I guess that's my issue. I didn't really pay attention that much during the obama years. LOL

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Upwards of 3000 at a time in this facility.  Those “cages” are where the illegal immigrants are being detained, apparently organized by size (lol, not gender because this is the woke age and there’s no such thing as gender). Those are their aluminum sleeping blankets.  Daily there are dozens of sexual assaults, assaults, pregnancies, births, & medical emergencies.  

1 out of 3 women making the trek north are being raped by the cartels they say, and this includes girls as young as 6.

50 of those in these photos are positive with Wuhan-they haven’t been removed because there’s nowhere to put them.  

Some of these facilities have untreated, unsafe water as well.

This is coming from the “humanitarian administration?!?.”   WTF is humanitarian about this??  Turning your back on your own border patrol, not visiting them to see for yourself, and telling people to come to the states during your whole campaign and then acting like you didn’t when shit hits the fan.

If we had lockdowns around the country for “safety,” when it made no sense, wouldn’t it make sense to use that excuse NOW?  

I don’t think they had any idea what they were starting by ending Trunp’s border policies.  It’s too late now though, let’s hope they wake up and realize this is a dangerous situation for them and us.

that nutjob Lauren Boebert posted her criticism of Biden "wasting taxpayer dollars" on housing these people in a hotel, at a cost of $86M per year. 

which is it? Humane treatment at the expense of the taxpayer, or more gaslighting? I'm guessing you prefer the latter, cuz you sure didn't give two fucks about this until Biden became prez. 

I’m not familiar with Boebert, but how is it not fair to criticize the nearly $90 million being spent? This crisis was created by Biden. When he announced 100 day ban on deportations and that minors would be placed into the system, who didn’t expect this? When you announce 100 days of open borders you get open borders. The result is the system is overwhelmed. This place, and everyone else who was outraged before, have been oddly quiet. Conditions are likely even worse than what causes all the uproar, except we don’t know for sure because media isn’t allowed in to show.

I personally don’t think the conditions were unethical before. I don’t agree with the separation of kids, but strictly speaking on conditions when used as temporary housing. They weren’t drinking toilet water as some claimed. They had been in place for years before Trump and everyone was fine with it then too. But it is a waste of taxpayer money when it could have been avoided.

incorrect on a few levels. 

temp ban on deportation does not, in any sense of the phrase, equal "open borders". 

yes, there were detentions before. But prior to trump, kids weren't separated from their parents as punishment or policy. They were only separated if the parents were deemed a risk to the child. This is the big republican talking point, that "obama did it too". No, he didn't. And neither is biden.

You are right, it is not the same as an open border. Its an exaggeration on my part of the impact. But come on, saying "please don't come, but if you do, we won't deport you" is just asking people to flood the border just as it is.

I didn't claim previous administrations separated the kids. In fact, i specifically addressed that by saying I am talking only about the conditions and not the separation policy. And it is a big republican talking point because the conditions were just as much of an outcry, if not more, than the separation practice. I said I disagreed with the separation policy, but specifically the conditions of "cages" and "drinking toilet water" and aluminum blankets and everything else AOC and the media and many others complained about have been there before and after Trump, but are now oddly silent.  

The Juggler

The media is silent about this?

Good grief, Mace.....what the fuck, man? 

Other than multiple mass shootings, it is all they've been talking about since the covid relief bill passed. 

mace1229

The Juggler said:

The media is silent about this?

Good grief, Mace.....what the fuck, man? 

Other than multiple mass shootings, it is all they've been talking about since the covid relief bill passed. 

I should have said outrage, not silent. They cover it, but they aren't outraged over it. 
Compared to the coverage it got a few years ago. I don't see nearly as many saying the conditions are poor, or calling it cages, even though that hasn't really changed. The media is told they can't see inside and they say ok and walk away. Would they have done that a year ago? They would have found a way in and report what is happening. So yes, compared to what was going on with the coverage the last 4 years, this is pretty much a nothingburger to them. They ask a couple questions, they as the press sec if she'll call it a crisis, and when she says "no its not a crisis, its a challenge" they accept that answer. If Trump was president this would be a bigger story than it is, with a lot more humanitarian accusations being thrown around that what we're seeing. I see more media outrage over the upsets of March Madness that what is going on at the border.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Upwards of 3000 at a time in this facility.  Those “cages” are where the illegal immigrants are being detained, apparently organized by size (lol, not gender because this is the woke age and there’s no such thing as gender). Those are their aluminum sleeping blankets.  Daily there are dozens of sexual assaults, assaults, pregnancies, births, & medical emergencies.  

1 out of 3 women making the trek north are being raped by the cartels they say, and this includes girls as young as 6.

50 of those in these photos are positive with Wuhan-they haven’t been removed because there’s nowhere to put them.  

Some of these facilities have untreated, unsafe water as well.

This is coming from the “humanitarian administration?!?.”   WTF is humanitarian about this??  Turning your back on your own border patrol, not visiting them to see for yourself, and telling people to come to the states during your whole campaign and then acting like you didn’t when shit hits the fan.

If we had lockdowns around the country for “safety,” when it made no sense, wouldn’t it make sense to use that excuse NOW?  

I don’t think they had any idea what they were starting by ending Trunp’s border policies.  It’s too late now though, let’s hope they wake up and realize this is a dangerous situation for them and us.

that nutjob Lauren Boebert posted her criticism of Biden "wasting taxpayer dollars" on housing these people in a hotel, at a cost of $86M per year. 

which is it? Humane treatment at the expense of the taxpayer, or more gaslighting? I'm guessing you prefer the latter, cuz you sure didn't give two fucks about this until Biden became prez. 

I’m not familiar with Boebert, but how is it not fair to criticize the nearly $90 million being spent? This crisis was created by Biden. When he announced 100 day ban on deportations and that minors would be placed into the system, who didn’t expect this? When you announce 100 days of open borders you get open borders. The result is the system is overwhelmed. This place, and everyone else who was outraged before, have been oddly quiet. Conditions are likely even worse than what causes all the uproar, except we don’t know for sure because media isn’t allowed in to show.

I personally don’t think the conditions were unethical before. I don’t agree with the separation of kids, but strictly speaking on conditions when used as temporary housing. They weren’t drinking toilet water as some claimed. They had been in place for years before Trump and everyone was fine with it then too. But it is a waste of taxpayer money when it could have been avoided.

incorrect on a few levels. 

temp ban on deportation does not, in any sense of the phrase, equal "open borders". 

yes, there were detentions before. But prior to trump, kids weren't separated from their parents as punishment or policy. They were only separated if the parents were deemed a risk to the child. This is the big republican talking point, that "obama did it too". No, he didn't. And neither is biden.

You are right, it is not the same as an open border. Its an exaggeration on my part of the impact. But come on, saying "please don't come, but if you do, we won't deport you" is just asking people to flood the border just as it is.

I didn't claim previous administrations separated the kids. In fact, i specifically addressed that by saying I am talking only about the conditions and not the separation policy. And it is a big republican talking point because the conditions were just as much of an outcry, if not more, than the separation practice. I said I disagreed with the separation policy, but specifically the conditions of "cages" and "drinking toilet water" and aluminum blankets and everything else AOC and the media and many others complained about have been there before and after Trump, but are now oddly silent.  

Yea, sure, AOC is "oddly silent." And "oddly silent" sounds like something Tucker Carlson would say. No goosestepping in lock step in this party.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) criticized President Biden’s administration on Tuesday for opening a migrant facility for children.

“This is not okay, never has been okay, never will be okay - no matter the administration or party,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted.

Ocasio-Cortez criticizes opening of migrant facility for children under Biden | TheHill

Merkin Baller

I don’t know that the media could cover it any more than they already have in the last 72 hours. 

The Juggler

mace1229 said:

The Juggler said:

The media is silent about this?

Good grief, Mace.....what the fuck, man? 

Other than multiple mass shootings, it is all they've been talking about since the covid relief bill passed. 

Compared to the coverage it got a few years ago. I don't see nearly as many saying the conditions are poor, or calling it cages, even though that hasn't really changed. The media is told they can't see inside and they say ok and walk away. Would they have done that a year ago? They would have found a way in and report what is happening. So yes, compared to what was going on with the coverage the last 4 years, this is pretty much a nothingburger to them. They ask a couple questions, they as the press sec if she'll call it a crisis, and when she says "no its not a crisis, its a challenge" they accept that answer. If Trump was president this would be a bigger story than it is, with a lot more humanitarian accusations being thrown around that what we're seeing. I see more media outrage over the upsets of March Madness that what is going on at the border.

Literally every Sunday morning show lead with it. All of them. The Sunday morning shows drive the news. All cable news stations were devoting a ton of time to it as well. But, in case you haven't noticed there are some other things happening. Covid Relief. Mass Shooting in Atlanta. Mass Shooting in Boulder. I realize Fox News devoted basically zero time to the Boulder shooting last night (and I am not wildly speculating like you always do--I actually tuned in last night) but gun control and mass shootings are kinda sorta an enormous issue in this country. 

I know it seems like I give you a hard time a lot, but you always do this. Just winging arguments without knowing about the subject. Saying the media is silent about it when the exact opposite is true really hurts whatever point you are trying to convey. 

Part of me feels like you just want the media to be silent so you can push a certain narrative. Bottom line is that is just untrue. Sorry. 

Halifax2TheMax

But the media, others and AOC are “oddly silent,” particularly since POOTWH left the scene. What migrant children? What border crises? Never heard of it.

The Juggler

Merkin Baller said:

I don’t know that the media could cover it any more than they already have in the last 72 hours. 

Exactly.

Halifax2TheMax

Best way to distract from your own failings? Rile up your base with BS and make unfounded allegations.

https://www.newsweek.com/stimulus-checks-push-joe-biden-approval-rating-despite-border-crisis-1577980