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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,019
    JB16057 said:
    Welp the Fed comes out and now forecasts no recession. What a terrible economy we're living in...
    Welp groceries and fuel are still more expensive than ever and many families are struggling. The economy is not great for everyone. 
    Name a period of time since 1789 when the economy was “great for everyone.” I don’t believe economic issues are driving your opposition to the demented slow Brandon Crime Family.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,487
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/20/bidens-economic-approval-rating-rises-slightly-but-is-still-just-37percent-despite-bidenomics-push.html

    Biden’s economic approval rating rises slightly, but is still just 37% despite ‘Bidenomics’ push


    Americans still can't afford fuel or groceries so just keep spouting off your bullshit of "winning". Many Americans are struggling to pay bills. 
    Americans have a record amount of credit card debt. Gasoline prices just had their biggest one day jump in a year. The US economy slowed down in June. There are still concerns of a recession. None of this is "winning".
    Go back and look at where Biden started his presidency and tell me it’s not winning! 
    Where Biden started his presidency? You mean the low prices that we used to have? Since Biden took office, the price of everything has risen more than 10%.

    We're told that inflation is going down yet the price of every day life is still high. That's not winning. 
    We are in way better shape then when he took office it’s been like that for the past two Democratic presidents taken over from a Republican president! Obama has to fix the mess Bush left and Biden had to fix the mess Trumpolinni left! That is a fact keep believing in Reganomics 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,019
    JB16057 said:
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/20/bidens-economic-approval-rating-rises-slightly-but-is-still-just-37percent-despite-bidenomics-push.html

    Biden’s economic approval rating rises slightly, but is still just 37% despite ‘Bidenomics’ push


    Americans still can't afford fuel or groceries so just keep spouting off your bullshit of "winning". Many Americans are struggling to pay bills. 
    Americans have a record amount of credit card debt. Gasoline prices just had their biggest one day jump in a year. The US economy slowed down in June. There are still concerns of a recession. None of this is "winning".
    Go back and look at where Biden started his presidency and tell me it’s not winning! 
    Where Biden started his presidency? You mean the low prices that we used to have? Since Biden took office, the price of everything has risen more than 10%.

    We're told that inflation is going down yet the price of every day life is still high. That's not winning. 
    We are in way better shape then when he took office it’s been like that for the past two Democratic presidents taken over from a Republican president! Obama has to fix the mess Bush left and Biden had to fix the mess Trumpolinni left! That is a fact keep believing in Reganomics 
    And Clinton had to fix the mess Ronny Rayguns and Bush left. Clinton left Shrub a surplus and he promptly did what with it? Oh yea, a tax break. And two unfunded wars. Hey, but Hunter’s laptop and nude pictures, eh? What about those?
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,252
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    TJ25487 said:

    For the last fucking time, a 1023 report is an UNVERIFIED account from a person.  There is no fact checking or evidence required.  I could go to the FBI and say that the PJ 10C board is a front for child trafficking and accuse a guy named TJ of being the leader.  And they will create a 1023.  

    How do you not understand this?  How do you consider anonymous accusations AND hearsay to be evidence?  Give me a fucking break.  
    They spend so much time on bullshit like this...yet the guy they voted for twice and likely will again next year literally faces years in prison. Unreal. 
    BUT TRUMP!!! 
    Upset that you are still unable to defend Trump? Understandable for sure, but one wonders why you continually walk straight into these situations again and again...
    I don't feel the need to defend Trump. I don't like Trump. This is the Joe Biden thread but I know that's really hard for you because all you want to talk about is Trump. 
    You voted for him twice and said you will vote for him a third time. The fact that you cannot defend him is a sad reflection on the republican party.
    I don't like the Republican party. I can't defend them just like you can't defend why Democrats won't be having debates. 
    Debates? Why would anyone in either party defend that? Their candidate is the incumbent president, tj. No incumbent has participated in a primary debate in 50 years. 

    And for someone who claims to not like the republican party or trump, you sure seem lock and step with all their weirdo talking points every time you come here. 

    Really hope Trump isn't too cowardly to not attend the republican one next month. 

    The Democratic party is fooling you hook, line and sinker. Do you really believe that Joe Biden is the best Democrat candidate for President?Look at how much Biden has slowed down in just the last 3 years. There's still another 5 to go if he's re-elected. 

    If something were to happen to Joe, we're stuck with Kamala. Do you really believe this is what is best for our country? The Democrat party are taking you for a ride.
    I think the Dem party is currently crap. Joe is old as hell and I would not let Kamala run my kid's school library.  Unfortunately there is no reasonable republican alternative.  If the Dems think the safe bet is Biden then I guess that is my only choice.  Just like I don't like that cars cost a zillion dollars but will have to get one soon because there is currently not a workable alternative.  

    The sitting presidential party hasn't had debates in years.  I'm fine with that. It seemed to work until now.  If there was a great upcoming dem that could get some serious support and pull some republicans and they got stonewalled by the DNC that would be a different argument.  However, as of now that candidate doesn't exist.  So I will do what I did last time and vote for the front runner of the party with a platform that will best help me and other Americans, based on results not boasts and hyperbole.
    And I'm in the same boat with the Republican party yet I get demonized for it. Trump is not my pick for President but if that's all I have VS a Democrat that I can't get behind, I'm stuck but I won't be voting for Joe Biden. 

    The Democrat party are keeping Joe on the ballot because if he announced he wasn't going to run, the next most logical choice would be Kamala and she is an absolute disaster.
    But you are most assuredly NOT in the same boat. You're not even in the water dude.

    Donald Trump tried, unsuccessfully to dismantle our democracy. He will attempt to do so again, if he does not end up in prison for his first failed attempt. There is no comparison to Donald Trump. None. This is by no means a lesser of two evils situation we were presented with over and over again prior to 2016, my man.


    Voting for Trump once was reprehensible.
    Voting for Trump twice was idiotic.
    Voting for Trump a THIRD TIME should be grounds for deportation as far as I am concerned.
    Grounds for deportation? That is pathetic. 
    Would you rather have the military in Afghanistan and still spending billions.  Are you mad at the tens of thousands of civilians killed and the thousands of US service members and contractors over 20 years? Or just the 13 that died when Biden finally got us out of the mess?  If so why does that 13 effect you more than the previous thousands?
    Biden killed 13 US Troops.
    I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't delusional and had an actual argument.  It appears there is none.  If however you can make a case on how the 13 soldiers lost in the withdrawal is somehow worse than or somehow more egregious than any of the other war dead I will wait for a cogent answer.  The fact of the matter is no war plan goes perfectly and since the withdrawal no more US soldiers have been needlessly killed in that conflict.  I'm not sure how no more billions and no more war dead is a bad thing.

    I still haven't seen any evidence that Biden killed anyone.  Repeating it won't make it true no matter how many times you say it, for those of us still able to reason anyway.
    Have you seen evidence that Trump killed cops? Are you mad because he isn't in prison for murder?

    The only reason I said Biden killed 13 US Troops is because "Trump killed cops". 

    You are spending way too much time trying to tell me how I should think. We aren't going to agree and both of us will call the other side delusional. Do you really think it's worth continuing this conversation? 

    And now I'm being told that I should be deported. This place is a cesspool of hate. 


    So you now know what it feels like to be called out for hate by former president trump? Oh wait, there’s no comparison.


    and yes, without trumps actions leading to Jan six, those five cops would still be alive today.

    That is not a fact. 
    You did see the select committees report, and all of the republicans who testified?

    Hint, it was all trump. Fact.
    You should charge him with murder. 


    Attributing responsibility and indictments are different things?
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,252
    JB16057 said:
    Welp the Fed comes out and now forecasts no recession. What a terrible economy we're living in...
    Welp groceries and fuel are still more expensive than ever and many families are struggling. The economy is not great for everyone. 
    You know the supply chain was broken when Biden was inaugurated

    Curious how you conveniently are omitting that fact
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    Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 16,834
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    And it's also not just a national, but a global issue. There's people and families struggling all over this planet. The thing is - 1) where there are more social programs in place the floor for most people in other progressive countries implementing such things is much higher & 2) also weird how wages continue to rise in this country as opposed to Europe (where they are currently declining when bumped against inflation). So when you look at the data our maga friend here would be incorrect.

    Point being - all things considered, as it currently stands, in this country, things are no where as bad as some people would like to believe they are (individual stories notwithstanding).
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,547
    JB16057 said:
    Welp the Fed comes out and now forecasts no recession. What a terrible economy we're living in...
    Welp groceries and fuel are still more expensive than ever and many families are struggling. The economy is not great for everyone. 
    You know the supply chain was broken when Biden was inaugurated

    Curious how you conveniently are omitting that fact

    Maga: What global pandemic? What huge war in Europe? It's all Biden's fault! And when things are rebounding, I will choose to ignore those facts! Maga!

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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,672
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,019
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    It was and is the sole reason Sleepy demented Brandon ran for POTUS. I don’t trust him and this answer for a moment. LIES!
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,877
    Here's what I know..  

    The Republican AG and Republican FBI director opened a case against the son of the president's likely political opponent in the next election.  That was done two full years before the election and as of the election, no charges were filed.  Yet they kept the probe open.  Why?The only reason I can think of was to damage Joe Biden politically.  Do all private citizens get some special prosecutor assigned to them?  Does it always take two years to investigate a tax issue and gun permit?  I don't think so.  It's clear to me that Trump and the Republicans have weaponized the justice system.  
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,672
    mrussel1 said:
    Here's what I know..  

    The Republican AG and Republican FBI director opened a case against the son of the president's likely political opponent in the next election.  That was done two full years before the election and as of the election, no charges were filed.  Yet they kept the probe open.  Why?The only reason I can think of was to damage Joe Biden politically.  Do all private citizens get some special prosecutor assigned to them?  Does it always take two years to investigate a tax issue and gun permit?  I don't think so.  It's clear to me that Trump and the Republicans have weaponized the justice system.  
    They tried to extort Zelensky into announcing an investigation into the Bidens as well. TFG was literally impeached over it. 

    If people don't see this for the blatant scam that it is, they're willfully ignorant or just plain dumb. 
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,877
    mrussel1 said:
    Here's what I know..  

    The Republican AG and Republican FBI director opened a case against the son of the president's likely political opponent in the next election.  That was done two full years before the election and as of the election, no charges were filed.  Yet they kept the probe open.  Why?The only reason I can think of was to damage Joe Biden politically.  Do all private citizens get some special prosecutor assigned to them?  Does it always take two years to investigate a tax issue and gun permit?  I don't think so.  It's clear to me that Trump and the Republicans have weaponized the justice system.  
    They tried to extort Zelensky into announcing an investigation into the Bidens as well. TFG was literally impeached over it. 

    If people don't see this for the blatant scam that it is, they're willfully ignorant or just plain dumb. 
    That's exactly right.  And who knows what happened with this laptop.  Guiliani, a disbarred, admitted liar had custody of it.  
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    mrussel1 said:
    Here's what I know..  

    The Republican AG and Republican FBI director opened a case against the son of the president's likely political opponent in the next election.  That was done two full years before the election and as of the election, no charges were filed.  Yet they kept the probe open.  Why?The only reason I can think of was to damage Joe Biden politically.  Do all private citizens get some special prosecutor assigned to them?  Does it always take two years to investigate a tax issue and gun permit?  I don't think so.  It's clear to me that Trump and the Republicans have weaponized the justice system.  
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,315
    JB16057 said:
    Welp the Fed comes out and now forecasts no recession. What a terrible economy we're living in...
    Welp groceries and fuel are still more expensive than ever and many families are struggling. The economy is not great for everyone. 
    gas is not more expensive than ever. i paid $3.29 a gallon yesterday. I remember when it was $5.39 here a few years ago.
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    Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 16,834
    If anything gas should be twice it is if we actually cared about "open markets", at the very least. 
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,939
    JB16057 said:
    Welp the Fed comes out and now forecasts no recession. What a terrible economy we're living in...
    Welp groceries and fuel are still more expensive than ever and many families are struggling. The economy is not great for everyone. 
    gas is not more expensive than ever. i paid $3.29 a gallon yesterday. I remember when it was $5.39 here a few years ago.
    Yes. We’re just creating higher lows. Like MB said, that’s capitalism. 
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    Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 16,834
    nicknyr15 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Welp the Fed comes out and now forecasts no recession. What a terrible economy we're living in...
    Welp groceries and fuel are still more expensive than ever and many families are struggling. The economy is not great for everyone. 
    gas is not more expensive than ever. i paid $3.29 a gallon yesterday. I remember when it was $5.39 here a few years ago.
    Yes. We’re just creating higher lows. Like MB said, that’s capitalism. 
    I say things but without a modicum of what it means.

    Let's just ignore wage growth outpacing inflation and all.
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,079
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    Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,672
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    Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?
    Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to. 
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    mace1229 said:
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    Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?
    Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to. 
    Yes, this.  Or he could have killed the special counsel.  
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    mrussel1 said:
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    Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?
    Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to. 
    Yes, this.  Or he could have killed the special counsel.  

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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,672
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    Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?
    Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to. 
    The same way tfg pardoned all of his co-conspirators, but sure. The Bidens are the REAL criminals. 

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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,079
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    Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?
    Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to. 
    Wouldnt he have to be convicted or the plea finalized first? Nothing to pardon him for yet.

    I don’t think Joe would pardon Hunter. But him saying he won’t means nothing. I only think he won’t because what’s the point, he wasn’t facing any jail? It’s not worth the bad publicity and probably cost the election.
    Imagine Hunter pleading guilty, serving no jail time, then his dad pardons him for something he admitted doing. He basically handed the GOP the election if he does that. And all for nothing if he doesn’t get jail time anyway. So yeah, he’s not going to pardon Hunter.

    If he ends up getting the max sentences and jail time, then I wouldn’t be surprised. But that’s not going to happen so he’s not going to get pardoned.
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,672
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    mace1229 said:
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    Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?
    Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to. 
    Wouldnt he have to be convicted or the plea finalized first? Nothing to pardon him for yet.

    I don’t think Joe would pardon Hunter. But him saying he won’t means nothing. I only think he won’t because what’s the point, he wasn’t facing any jail? It’s not worth the bad publicity and probably cost the election.
    Imagine Hunter pleading guilty, serving no jail time, then his dad pardons him for something he admitted doing. He basically handed the GOP the election if he does that. And all for nothing if he doesn’t get jail time anyway. So yeah, he’s not going to pardon Hunter.

    If he ends up getting the max sentences and jail time, then I wouldn’t be surprised. But that’s not going to happen so he’s not going to get pardoned.
    Why? Beyond the fact that it’s his son is there any reason you don’t extend him the benefit of the doubt? 

    You don’t actually believe the ‘Biden crime family’ narrative spun by confirmed liars like Giuliani & trump, do you? 
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,198
    JB16057 said:
    Welp the Fed comes out and now forecasts no recession. What a terrible economy we're living in...
    Welp groceries and fuel are still more expensive than ever and many families are struggling. The economy is not great for everyone. 
    You know the supply chain was broken when Biden was inaugurated

    Curious how you conveniently are omitting that fact

    Maga: What global pandemic? What huge war in Europe? It's all Biden's fault! And when things are rebounding, I will choose to ignore those facts! Maga!

    Some interesting data:

    https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/economy/how-economy-performed-under-each-president-since-lyndon-johnson/


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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,079
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    mace1229 said:
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    Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?
    Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to. 
    Wouldnt he have to be convicted or the plea finalized first? Nothing to pardon him for yet.

    I don’t think Joe would pardon Hunter. But him saying he won’t means nothing. I only think he won’t because what’s the point, he wasn’t facing any jail? It’s not worth the bad publicity and probably cost the election.
    Imagine Hunter pleading guilty, serving no jail time, then his dad pardons him for something he admitted doing. He basically handed the GOP the election if he does that. And all for nothing if he doesn’t get jail time anyway. So yeah, he’s not going to pardon Hunter.

    If he ends up getting the max sentences and jail time, then I wouldn’t be surprised. But that’s not going to happen so he’s not going to get pardoned.
    Why? Beyond the fact that it’s his son is there any reason you don’t extend him the benefit of the doubt? 

    You don’t actually believe the ‘Biden crime family’ narrative spun by confirmed liars like Giuliani & trump, do you? 
    No. But let’s say they don’t reach a new deal and they decide to charge him with tax evasion instead. And he gets 5 years for each count and ends up serving 10 years for tax evasion? You don’t think Biden would pardon him then? He absolutely would and issue a statement that his son was wrongfully charged and convicted in order to seay the election (even if they find more evidence and they are legit charges - not saying there is, just being hypothetical.)

    But that wouldn’t happen. He’s not going to serve any jail time so there’s no point in a pardon.

    i believe Biden when he said he won’t pardon his son. Not because I actually believe him, but because there will never be a reason to. Like I said before, it would be handing the election to the GOP if he pardoned his son for a crime he plead guilty to and isn’t even serving any time over. And he’d be doing to for almost no personal gain. So of course he’s not going to pardon himZ
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,672
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY oMg


     


    Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?
    Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to. 
    Wouldnt he have to be convicted or the plea finalized first? Nothing to pardon him for yet.

    I don’t think Joe would pardon Hunter. But him saying he won’t means nothing. I only think he won’t because what’s the point, he wasn’t facing any jail? It’s not worth the bad publicity and probably cost the election.
    Imagine Hunter pleading guilty, serving no jail time, then his dad pardons him for something he admitted doing. He basically handed the GOP the election if he does that. And all for nothing if he doesn’t get jail time anyway. So yeah, he’s not going to pardon Hunter.

    If he ends up getting the max sentences and jail time, then I wouldn’t be surprised. But that’s not going to happen so he’s not going to get pardoned.
    Why? Beyond the fact that it’s his son is there any reason you don’t extend him the benefit of the doubt? 

    You don’t actually believe the ‘Biden crime family’ narrative spun by confirmed liars like Giuliani & trump, do you? 
    No. But let’s say they don’t reach a new deal and they decide to charge him with tax evasion instead. And he gets 5 years for each count and ends up serving 10 years for tax evasion? You don’t think Biden would pardon him then? He absolutely would and issue a statement that his son was wrongfully charged and convicted in order to seay the election.

    But that wouldn’t happen. He’s not going to serve any jail time so there’s no point in a pardon.

    i believe Biden when he said he won’t pardon his son. Not because I actually believe him, but because there will never be a reason to. Like I said before, it would be handing the election to the GOP if he pardoned his son for a crime he plead guilty to and isn’t even serving any time over. And he’d be doing to for almost no personal gain. So of course he’s not going to pardon himZ
    Why would he get 5 years for each tax charge though? Is he a repeat offender? I understand it's the max sentence, but how often are those handed down? 

    I'm in favor of enforcing laws, but I also believe in proportionality... would you not be inclined to think it WAS political if he were to get the max sentence here? 

    Let's be honest, the pursuit of Hunter is the real witch hunt... you get that, right? After all these years of investigating, this is all they have. The Biden Crime Family narrative is a perfect example of the type of hoax trump is always crying about being a victim of... you understand all this projection about the bidens is just that... projection, right? 
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,079
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    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    bIdEn CrImE fAmIlY oMg


     


    Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?
    Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to. 
    Wouldnt he have to be convicted or the plea finalized first? Nothing to pardon him for yet.

    I don’t think Joe would pardon Hunter. But him saying he won’t means nothing. I only think he won’t because what’s the point, he wasn’t facing any jail? It’s not worth the bad publicity and probably cost the election.
    Imagine Hunter pleading guilty, serving no jail time, then his dad pardons him for something he admitted doing. He basically handed the GOP the election if he does that. And all for nothing if he doesn’t get jail time anyway. So yeah, he’s not going to pardon Hunter.

    If he ends up getting the max sentences and jail time, then I wouldn’t be surprised. But that’s not going to happen so he’s not going to get pardoned.
    Why? Beyond the fact that it’s his son is there any reason you don’t extend him the benefit of the doubt? 

    You don’t actually believe the ‘Biden crime family’ narrative spun by confirmed liars like Giuliani & trump, do you? 
    No. But let’s say they don’t reach a new deal and they decide to charge him with tax evasion instead. And he gets 5 years for each count and ends up serving 10 years for tax evasion? You don’t think Biden would pardon him then? He absolutely would and issue a statement that his son was wrongfully charged and convicted in order to seay the election.

    But that wouldn’t happen. He’s not going to serve any jail time so there’s no point in a pardon.

    i believe Biden when he said he won’t pardon his son. Not because I actually believe him, but because there will never be a reason to. Like I said before, it would be handing the election to the GOP if he pardoned his son for a crime he plead guilty to and isn’t even serving any time over. And he’d be doing to for almost no personal gain. So of course he’s not going to pardon himZ
    Why would he get 5 years for each tax charge though? Is he a repeat offender? I understand it's the max sentence, but how often are those handed down? 

    I'm in favor of enforcing laws, but I also believe in proportionality... would you not be inclined to think it WAS political if he were to get the max sentence here? 

    Let's be honest, the pursuit of Hunter is the real witch hunt... you get that, right? After all these years of investigating, this is all they have. The Biden Crime Family narrative is a perfect example of the type of hoax trump is always crying about being a victim of... you understand all this projection about the bidens is just that... projection, right? 
    I was being hypothetical. Even if it wasn’t political, and was totally legit, Joe would still pardon him. Do you not think he would? There is just no reason to at this point.
    And as far as how often that gets charged, I don’t know. But I do remember Richard from season 1 of survivor got 5 years for. It paying taxes on his winnings. So maybe it is common, I don’t know.

    And wasn’t that the main charge behind Cohen getting his 3 years in a plea deal? He had multiple charges, but the biggest was tax evasion.

    Im not a tax guy so I don’t know the difference between just failure to pay and a misdemeanor charge vs felony tax evasion that others got. But Hunter didn’t claim $3 million, a bigger sum than the Richard guy.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,877
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
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    Because no president has ever said no and gone back on it?
    Because he could have already pardoned him if he wanted to. 
    Wouldnt he have to be convicted or the plea finalized first? Nothing to pardon him for yet.

    I don’t think Joe would pardon Hunter. But him saying he won’t means nothing. I only think he won’t because what’s the point, he wasn’t facing any jail? It’s not worth the bad publicity and probably cost the election.
    Imagine Hunter pleading guilty, serving no jail time, then his dad pardons him for something he admitted doing. He basically handed the GOP the election if he does that. And all for nothing if he doesn’t get jail time anyway. So yeah, he’s not going to pardon Hunter.

    If he ends up getting the max sentences and jail time, then I wouldn’t be surprised. But that’s not going to happen so he’s not going to get pardoned.
    Why? Beyond the fact that it’s his son is there any reason you don’t extend him the benefit of the doubt? 

    You don’t actually believe the ‘Biden crime family’ narrative spun by confirmed liars like Giuliani & trump, do you? 
    No. But let’s say they don’t reach a new deal and they decide to charge him with tax evasion instead. And he gets 5 years for each count and ends up serving 10 years for tax evasion? You don’t think Biden would pardon him then? He absolutely would and issue a statement that his son was wrongfully charged and convicted in order to seay the election.

    But that wouldn’t happen. He’s not going to serve any jail time so there’s no point in a pardon.

    i believe Biden when he said he won’t pardon his son. Not because I actually believe him, but because there will never be a reason to. Like I said before, it would be handing the election to the GOP if he pardoned his son for a crime he plead guilty to and isn’t even serving any time over. And he’d be doing to for almost no personal gain. So of course he’s not going to pardon himZ
    Why would he get 5 years for each tax charge though? Is he a repeat offender? I understand it's the max sentence, but how often are those handed down? 

    I'm in favor of enforcing laws, but I also believe in proportionality... would you not be inclined to think it WAS political if he were to get the max sentence here? 

    Let's be honest, the pursuit of Hunter is the real witch hunt... you get that, right? After all these years of investigating, this is all they have. The Biden Crime Family narrative is a perfect example of the type of hoax trump is always crying about being a victim of... you understand all this projection about the bidens is just that... projection, right? 
    I was being hypothetical. Even if it wasn’t political, and was totally legit, Joe would still pardon him. Do you not think he would? There is just no reason to at this point.
    And as far as how often that gets charged, I don’t know. But I do remember Richard from season 1 of survivor got 5 years for. It paying taxes on his winnings. So maybe it is common, I don’t know.

    And wasn’t that the main charge behind Cohen getting his 3 years in a plea deal? He had multiple charges, but the biggest was tax evasion.

    Im not a tax guy so I don’t know the difference between just failure to pay and a misdemeanor charge vs felony tax evasion that others got. But Hunter didn’t claim $3 million, a bigger sum than the Richard guy.
    Cohen was guilty of campaign finance charges, tax fraud and bank fraud.  

    You guys are saying the same thing  Mace is playing his role here and Merkinballer is cutting to the logical chase
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,547
    JB16057 said:
    Welp the Fed comes out and now forecasts no recession. What a terrible economy we're living in...
    Welp groceries and fuel are still more expensive than ever and many families are struggling. The economy is not great for everyone. 
    You know the supply chain was broken when Biden was inaugurated

    Curious how you conveniently are omitting that fact

    Maga: What global pandemic? What huge war in Europe? It's all Biden's fault! And when things are rebounding, I will choose to ignore those facts! Maga!

    Some interesting data:

    https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/economy/how-economy-performed-under-each-president-since-lyndon-johnson/




    That is good info. Thanks. Supports the argument that Biden has been....fine.



    Joe Biden (2021-Present)

    • GDP growth: 2.6%
    • Unemployment rate: 3.5%
    • Inflation rate: 5.0%
    • Poverty rate: 12.80%
    • Real disposable income per capita: $46,682
    • Disposable income per capita (adjusted for inflation): $46,557

    As of this writing, Biden has been in office for a little over two years, so it’s still difficult to compare him to other presidents who completed a term or two. Nevertheless, the unemployment rate for Biden is the second lowest on this list, and GDP growth is the second highest. He is in the middle of the pack for poverty and inflation.

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