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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 864
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/28/politics/andrew-yang-forward-party-whitman-jolly/index.html

    Guess we’re going to need a new thread for the “forward party” discussions 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,376
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/28/politics/andrew-yang-forward-party-whitman-jolly/index.html

    Guess we’re going to need a new thread for the “forward party” discussions 
    hmmm...what's the middle ground of an elephant and a donkey. a hippo maybe?
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,003
    edited July 29
    It’s pretty awesome how the GOP just fucked over veterans to get back at democrats. 

    When people show you who they are, believe them. 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 9,782
    So, just to keep track:

    Just in the last 2 weeks, the GOP has blocked…
     - Bodily autonomy for women
     - The right to contraception
     - The right to same-sex marriage
     - The right to interracial marriage
    And now…
     - Healthcare for veterans

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,790
    So, just to keep track:

    Just in the last 2 weeks, the GOP has blocked…
     - Bodily autonomy for women
     - The right to contraception
     - The right to same-sex marriage
     - The right to interracial marriage
    And now…
     - Healthcare for veterans


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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 4,331
    So, just to keep track:

    Just in the last 2 weeks, the GOP has blocked…
     - Bodily autonomy for women
     - The right to contraception
     - The right to same-sex marriage
     - The right to interracial marriage
    And now…
     - Healthcare for veterans

    They only care about defeating the Dems/left. That's more important than what actually happens to the country.

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 15,502
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/28/politics/andrew-yang-forward-party-whitman-jolly/index.html

    Guess we’re going to need a new thread for the “forward party” discussions 
    Really should have named it the "Do Something" Party.

    I like the idea behind it, interested to see where it goes.  Is Yang a moderate though?  I've completely forgotten most things about him other than his Universal Basic Income proposal.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 9,782
    So, just to keep track:

    Just in the last 2 weeks, the GOP has blocked…
     - Bodily autonomy for women
     - The right to contraception
     - The right to same-sex marriage
     - The right to interracial marriage
    And now…
     - Healthcare for veterans

    Assholes....


  • TJ25487TJ25487 Posts: 1,310
    There is always Pork built into these bills that nobody wants to talk about on either side. 

    Senator Toomey is asking for a fix to prevent the PACT Act from being used to increase spending completely unrelated to veterans," a spokeswoman for the senator said in a statement provided to Fox News. "As currently written, the PACT Act includes a budget gimmick that will allow Democrats to increase spending totally unrelated to veterans by $400 billion over the next 10 years. Sen. Toomey’s technical fix would prevent this unrelated spending without changing any of the underlying policy in the bill."


  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,856
    So, just to keep track:

    Just in the last 2 weeks, the GOP has blocked…
     - Bodily autonomy for women
     - The right to contraception
     - The right to same-sex marriage
     - The right to interracial marriage
    And now…
     - Healthcare for veterans

    Assholes....



    So, just to keep track:

    Just in the last 2 weeks, the GOP has blocked…
     - Bodily autonomy for women
     - The right to contraception
     - The right to same-sex marriage
     - The right to interracial marriage
    And now…
     - Healthcare for veterans

    Assholes....


    Dems should save this for his re-election and run it 24/7.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,003
    TJ25487 said:
    There is always Pork built into these bills that nobody wants to talk about on either side. 

    Senator Toomey is asking for a fix to prevent the PACT Act from being used to increase spending completely unrelated to veterans," a spokeswoman for the senator said in a statement provided to Fox News. "As currently written, the PACT Act includes a budget gimmick that will allow Democrats to increase spending totally unrelated to veterans by $400 billion over the next 10 years. Sen. Toomey’s technical fix would prevent this unrelated spending without changing any of the underlying policy in the bill."


    Where can I read up on that? 

    I just read through the bill, it seems to be 100% about veterans, the VA & VHA. 

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,454
    TJ25487 said:
    There is always Pork built into these bills that nobody wants to talk about on either side. 

    Senator Toomey is asking for a fix to prevent the PACT Act from being used to increase spending completely unrelated to veterans," a spokeswoman for the senator said in a statement provided to Fox News. "As currently written, the PACT Act includes a budget gimmick that will allow Democrats to increase spending totally unrelated to veterans by $400 billion over the next 10 years. Sen. Toomey’s technical fix would prevent this unrelated spending without changing any of the underlying policy in the bill."


    Where can I read up on that? 

    I just read through the bill, it seems to be 100% about veterans, the VA & VHA. 

    Toomeys argument is disingenuous.The mandatory spending is like social security and is subject to congressional budgetary oversight through the budget request process for each fiscal year. As opposed to the pentagon’s black budget of $80B that can and is spent on anything at all with zero, zero congressional oversight. Toomey isn’t opposed to that non-transparent “slush fund.” 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,003
    TJ25487 said:
    There is always Pork built into these bills that nobody wants to talk about on either side. 

    Senator Toomey is asking for a fix to prevent the PACT Act from being used to increase spending completely unrelated to veterans," a spokeswoman for the senator said in a statement provided to Fox News. "As currently written, the PACT Act includes a budget gimmick that will allow Democrats to increase spending totally unrelated to veterans by $400 billion over the next 10 years. Sen. Toomey’s technical fix would prevent this unrelated spending without changing any of the underlying policy in the bill."


    Where can I read up on that? 

    I just read through the bill, it seems to be 100% about veterans, the VA & VHA. 

    Toomeys argument is disingenuous.The mandatory spending is like social security and is subject to congressional budgetary oversight through the budget request process for each fiscal year. As opposed to the pentagon’s black budget of $80B that can and is spent on anything at all with zero, zero congressional oversight. Toomey isn’t opposed to that non-transparent “slush fund.” 
    Yeah, I’m inclined to believe from the jump it’s 100% horseshit that this bill would give democrats sole discretion over $400B over the next ten years…. that’s sounds like the usual fearmongering nonsense from the GOP. 
    Based on the reaction of a lot of just veterans alone this week, I think the simplest answer is the correct one: republicans fucked over our veterans to spite the democrats and then fist bumped each other over it. 
    When people show you who they are, believe them. 
  • TJ25487TJ25487 Posts: 1,310
    TJ25487 said:
    There is always Pork built into these bills that nobody wants to talk about on either side. 

    Senator Toomey is asking for a fix to prevent the PACT Act from being used to increase spending completely unrelated to veterans," a spokeswoman for the senator said in a statement provided to Fox News. "As currently written, the PACT Act includes a budget gimmick that will allow Democrats to increase spending totally unrelated to veterans by $400 billion over the next 10 years. Sen. Toomey’s technical fix would prevent this unrelated spending without changing any of the underlying policy in the bill."


    Where can I read up on that? 

    I just read through the bill, it seems to be 100% about veterans, the VA & VHA. 

    Don't worry. It looks like the bill has been cleaned up and should pass. Now the Dems can focus on other things like defunding the police and letting criminals out of jail. 

    Fox News:

    "So, Republican Senator Pat Toomey offered an amendment to fix Schumer's tricky little accounting gimmick. One simple change would make sure every taxpayer dollar goes to helping veterans and not bake in $400 billion of more inflationary spending and Schumer shot it down. Senate sources are telling "Primetime" that Schumer has now agreed to Toomey's amendment and the bill Jon Stewart and all of us care about is expected to pass early next week and this ginned-up drama will be over".  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,454
    TJ25487 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    There is always Pork built into these bills that nobody wants to talk about on either side. 

    Senator Toomey is asking for a fix to prevent the PACT Act from being used to increase spending completely unrelated to veterans," a spokeswoman for the senator said in a statement provided to Fox News. "As currently written, the PACT Act includes a budget gimmick that will allow Democrats to increase spending totally unrelated to veterans by $400 billion over the next 10 years. Sen. Toomey’s technical fix would prevent this unrelated spending without changing any of the underlying policy in the bill."


    Where can I read up on that? 

    I just read through the bill, it seems to be 100% about veterans, the VA & VHA. 

    Don't worry. It looks like the bill has been cleaned up and should pass. Now the Dems can focus on other things like defunding the police and letting criminals out of jail. 

    Fox News:

    "So, Republican Senator Pat Toomey offered an amendment to fix Schumer's tricky little accounting gimmick. One simple change would make sure every taxpayer dollar goes to helping veterans and not bake in $400 billion of more inflationary spending and Schumer shot it down. Senate sources are telling "Primetime" that Schumer has now agreed to Toomey's amendment and the bill Jon Stewart and all of us care about is expected to pass early next week and this ginned-up drama will be over".  
    You really should try to get your information from non-partisan sources like the CBO, rather than from the faux news spin machine. Check the link at the top of the page in the below link and scroll through, particularly pages 14 on, and understand the level of reporting and oversight for this alleged “discretionary spending.”

    https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2022-06/hr3967_senate_version.pdf
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,003
    edited July 30
    TJ25487 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    There is always Pork built into these bills that nobody wants to talk about on either side. 

    Senator Toomey is asking for a fix to prevent the PACT Act from being used to increase spending completely unrelated to veterans," a spokeswoman for the senator said in a statement provided to Fox News. "As currently written, the PACT Act includes a budget gimmick that will allow Democrats to increase spending totally unrelated to veterans by $400 billion over the next 10 years. Sen. Toomey’s technical fix would prevent this unrelated spending without changing any of the underlying policy in the bill."


    Where can I read up on that? 

    I just read through the bill, it seems to be 100% about veterans, the VA & VHA. 

    Don't worry. It looks like the bill has been cleaned up and should pass. Now the Dems can focus on other things like defunding the police and letting criminals out of jail. 

    Fox News:

    "So, Republican Senator Pat Toomey offered an amendment to fix Schumer's tricky little accounting gimmick. One simple change would make sure every taxpayer dollar goes to helping veterans and not bake in $400 billion of more inflationary spending and Schumer shot it down. Senate sources are telling "Primetime" that Schumer has now agreed to Toomey's amendment and the bill Jon Stewart and all of us care about is expected to pass early next week and this ginned-up drama will be over".  
    Do you have any links to share explaining what the bill entailed before Toomey’s amendment? I would love to read the details on how $400B was to be set aside for Democrats exclusively to do whatever they wanted, because that claim strains credulity…. And the above link I provided was from June… the original draft which Toomey voted against where 100% of the bill was about veterans, the VA & the VHA. 

    RE defunding the police, from May:

    “President Joe Biden will announce Friday that $10 billion from the American Rescue Plan has been committed to police departments and public safety across the U.S.“
    "A very big amount of what we're talking about today is the fact that state and local government have already committed at least $6.5 billion to various different forms of public safety, CVI [Community Violence Intervention], to preventing layoffs of police officers and vital services, and adding needed equipment," senior administration officials said on a call with reporters Thursday night.”

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-announce-10-billion-american-rescue-plan-policing/story?id=84685199

    That sounds like the opposite of defunding the police. 



  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,454
    Absolutely hilarious that the fiscal hawks are suddenly concerned about budgets, deficits and spending, flapping their lips such as they are.

    Any word on Jared Dear Boy’s $2B Saudi slush fund’s performance? Anyone?
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  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain TexasPosts: 950
    I haven't seen this posted yet. Jon Stewart pretty much destroying Ted Cruz's BS excuses





  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,003
    Ted Cruz hasn’t been able to provide details about this alleged $400B for the democrats to decide exclusively how to spend either. 

    Weird. 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,003
    Still waiting for the details on that $400B.
    Until then I’ll be inclined to think the party being led by the guy who called dead troops “suckers and losers” and dragged John McCain for getting captured in Vietnam (a war he avoided fighting in thanks to his daddy’s money btw) might not care about the troops as much as they want people to believe. 

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,790
    cutz said:

    so to understand you mr cruz , you and your party really would prefer to stop spending in the future when its not politically expedient to support it. which is discretionary....

    which, lets be honest, you support the troops in an election year. the rest of the time they get the same support you give kids after birth.....
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    Absolutely hilarious that the fiscal hawks are suddenly concerned about budgets, deficits and spending, flapping their lips such as they are.

    Any word on Jared Dear Boy’s $2B Saudi slush fund’s performance? Anyone?
    like clockwork, gop pivots to caring about deficits and spending. they didn't give a shit about those things under the bush or trump administration, but boy when a democrat is in the white house they sure do pivot.
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    These people are insane.

    https://dnyuz.com/2022/08/01/trump-backed-conspiracy-theorist-vies-to-take-over-arizona-elections/

    Trump-Backed Conspiracy Theorist Vies to Take Over Arizona Elections

    Trump-Backed Conspiracy Theorist Vies to Take Over Arizona Elections

    PHOENIX — This spring, Mark Finchem traveled to Mar-a-Lago for the premiere of a documentary advancing the specious notion that the 2020 presidential election had been stolen from President Donald J. Trump by an army of leftists stuffing drop boxes with absentee ballots. As a state representative and candidate for secretary of state in Arizona, Mr. Finchem was a minnow among the assembled MAGA stars, the likes of Rudolph W. Giuliani and Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia.

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    “President Trump took 20 minutes with me,” Mr. Finchem later recounted during a campaign stop. “And he said: ‘I want you to understand something. The Arizona secretary of state race is the most important race in the United States.’”

    Arizona, of course, occupies a special place on Mr. Trump’s map of election indignities — as the onetime Republican stronghold where President Bidens narrow and crucial victory was first called by, of all networks, Fox News. Should Mr. Trump run again in 2024, a friendly secretary of state, as administrator of the state’s elections, could be in a position to help him avoid a repeat.

    Now, as Arizona prepares for its primaries on Tuesday, Mr. Finchem is the candidate of a Trump-backed America First coalition of more than a dozen 2020 election deniers who have sought once-obscure secretary of state posts across the country. While most of them have been considered extremist long shots, a recent poll gave Mr. Finchem an edge in Arizona’s four-way Republican race, though a significant majority of voters are undecided.

    Mr. Finchem’s campaign pronouncements are testament to the evolution of the “Stop the Steal” movement: It is as much about influencing future elections as it is about what happened in 2020.

    To that end, Mr. Finchem, who has identified himself as a member of the Oath Keepers militia in the past, may be the perfectly subversive candidate. Like his America First compatriots, he seeks, quite simply, to upend voting.


    He wants to ban early voting and sharply restrict mail-in ballots, even though the latter were widely popular in Arizona long before the pandemic. He is already suing to suspend the use of all electronic vote-counting machines in Arizona, in litigation bankrolled by the conspiracy theorist and pillow tycoon Mike Lindell. And he has co-sponsored a bill that would give the state’s Republican-led legislature authority to overturn election results.

    If he loses his own race, Mr. Finchem told a June fund-raiser, “ain’t gonna be no concession speech coming from this guy.”

    Mr. Finchem did not respond to requests for comment for this article, and one of his lawyers declined to comment. But in a May email he assured Republican supporters that if he had been in office in 2020, “we would have won. Plain and simple.” In the days after the election, he was co-host of an unofficial hearing at a downtown Phoenix hotel where Mr. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, aired bogus stolen-elections claims. He was instrumental in trying to advance a slate of fake Trump electors in Arizona — part of a scheme to overturn the elections in a number of states that is being investigated by the Justice Department — and he is helping gather signatures to petition to decertify the state’s election results, even though that is not legally possible.

    Mr. Finchem also marched to the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. He has said he did not come closer than 500 yards, but photos have surfaced showing him near the Capitol steps. He is not among the Oath Keepers who have been criminally charged, though he has been subpoenaed by the House committee investigating the attack.

    Mr. Trump called him “the kind of fighter we need” in his endorsement and invited him to speak at his recent rally in Arizona. In the meantime, the other three Republican candidates for secretary of state, who in Arizona also serves as lieutenant governor, have staked out a range of positions on the 2020 election.

    State Representative Shawnna Bolick says she would not have certified President Biden’s 2020 victory, even though it was legally required: “That would’ve been fine,” she said during a debate. “I would have been breaking the law.” The other two candidates — State Senator Michelle Ugenti-Rita and Beau Lane, an advertising executive — say they would have followed the law and certified the election.

    “I don’t think he’s helping build faith in elections, I think he’s sowing doubt in elections, and that’s not what the secretary of state needs to do,” Mr. Lane said of Mr. Finchem in an interview.

    “I do not accept that the election was rigged,” Mr. Lane said, adding that while there were “instances of fraud” that should be prosecuted, he had not seen “evidence of widespread organized fraud that would have changed the outcome.”

    A Michigan transplant, Mr. Finchem, 65, has spent more than seven years as a lawmaker from a district outside Tucson, which during a recent visit was a boiling 115-degree valley set amid mountains and cactuses. He has embraced a sun-baked sheriff aesthetic, favoring large cowboy hats that belie his Detroit birthplace, and was the Arizona coordinator for the Coalition of Western States, a group that once supported the armed occupation of federal land in Oregon.

    He speaks in sober and serious tones and presents himself as a common-sense family man. When asked about his family life by one interviewer, he said his “kids are all grown and gone” and added that nowadays, “I’m thinking about my grandkids” in battles he takes on.

    But his family life has been rocky. He has been married four times and estranged for more than two decades from two adult children, and he does not know their children, family members said. (He also has two stepchildren.)

    He talks frequently about his experience as a police officer and firefighter in Kalamazoo, Mich. But personnel records obtained from that city’s Department of Public Safety, which he left in 1999, include this note in his file: “Retired, poor rating, would not rehire.” A department spokesman declined to comment.

    Mr. Finchem has raised more than $1.2 million, a considerable amount for a campaign for secretary of state. (Mr. Lane has raised about $1.1 million, while the other two candidates trail significantly behind.) Much of the money has come from out of state — seven of the eight donors who were listed as having donated the $5,300 maximum in his last two campaign filings were from elsewhere. Major donors include Brian T. Kennedy, a past president of the right-wing Claremont Institute, and Michael Marsicano, a former mayor of Hazleton, Pa., who recently lost a Republican congressional primary.

    For all that, he has few visible signs of a staff or campaign office. About three-quarters of his expenditures, more than $750,000, have flowed to a Florida political consulting firm run by Spence Rogers, the nephew of Wendy Rogers, an Arizona lawmaker with ties to white nationalists, campaign filings show. A further $53,000, or nearly 5 percent of his total expenditures, have gone to payments to Mr. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort. (Many other Trump-backed candidates have done likewise, including Kari Lake, Mr. Trump’s favored candidate for Arizona governor, whose campaign has spent more than $100,000 at Mar-a-Lago.)

    Mr. Finchem’s handling of donor money has attracted scrutiny. Last year, he sought contributions to a political action committee to help pay for an election hearing. But he directed supporters to send money “to his personal Venmo and PayPal accounts,” rather than to the PAC itself, according to a complaint from a nonprofit group, Campaign for Accountability. State law bars the commingling of political and personal funds. The current secretary of state, Katie Hobbs, a Democrat running for governor, referred the case to Attorney General Mark Brnovich, a Republican, who did not pursue it further; his office said insufficient cause had been established.

    Mr. Finchem limits his media appearances largely to right-wing talk shows; he is a frequent guest on the podcast of the former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon. His embrace of conspiracy theories is expansive. He argues that Marxists conspired to manipulate the 2020 election, that people voted with “software that flips votes,” that Mr. Biden is “a fraudulent president.” The Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol “was a setup,” he said. “The whole thing was a setup.”

    Mr. Finchem has also said that Hezbollah is operating camps in Mexico in league with drug cartels and that the 2017 white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., “has Deep State PSYOP written all over it.” He has embraced QAnon theories, saying that “a whole lot of elected officials” are involved in a pedophile network. He espouses a version of the so-called great replacement theory, saying that “Democrats are trying to import voters” and “want to flood the zone with people who have no right to be here.”

    His ceaselessly conspiratorial bent has its fans — but has also opened him up to ridicule. As one trolling commenter on Mr. Finchem’s Facebook page put it: “Mark Finchem KNOWS that each voting machine has a little illegal immigrant inside, and whenever you vote for our precious Eternal President Lord Donald Trump, that illegal immigrant changes your vote to a vote for HUGO CHAVEZ!”

    Reginald Bolding, the minority leader of the statehouse and one of two Democratic primary candidates for secretary of state, said that a Finchem victory would “signal that our elections would not be safe and secure and “would be manipulated by party affiliation and outcomes that he wants.”

    “I don’t know if Mark Finchem actually believes the things that he says, but they’re not based in reality,” he added.

    Gov. Doug Ducey, a Republican, has endorsed Mr. Lane, as have many in the business community. Mr. Finchem sees in his competitor yet another conspiracy: “Beau Lane is a Democrat Plant,” he recently tweeted. Mr. Lane, for his part, called Mr. Finchem’s plan to stop using vote-counting machines fanciful.

    “It’s something that’s logistically impossible in Arizona,” he said. “Maybe you could pull that off in Wyoming or South Dakota or Delaware. But Arizona is one of the top 15 most populous states. And it just makes no sense.”

    The post Trump-Backed Conspiracy Theorist Vies to Take Over Arizona Elections appeared first on New York Times.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,454
    These people are insane.

    https://dnyuz.com/2022/08/01/trump-backed-conspiracy-theorist-vies-to-take-over-arizona-elections/

    Trump-Backed Conspiracy Theorist Vies to Take Over Arizona Elections

    Trump-Backed Conspiracy Theorist Vies to Take Over Arizona Elections

    PHOENIX — This spring, Mark Finchem traveled to Mar-a-Lago for the premiere of a documentary advancing the specious notion that the 2020 presidential election had been stolen from President Donald J. Trump by an army of leftists stuffing drop boxes with absentee ballots. As a state representative and candidate for secretary of state in Arizona, Mr. Finchem was a minnow among the assembled MAGA stars, the likes of Rudolph W. Giuliani and Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia.

    But he still got his face time.

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    “President Trump took 20 minutes with me,” Mr. Finchem later recounted during a campaign stop. “And he said: ‘I want you to understand something. The Arizona secretary of state race is the most important race in the United States.’”

    Arizona, of course, occupies a special place on Mr. Trump’s map of election indignities — as the onetime Republican stronghold where President Bidens narrow and crucial victory was first called by, of all networks, Fox News. Should Mr. Trump run again in 2024, a friendly secretary of state, as administrator of the state’s elections, could be in a position to help him avoid a repeat.

    Now, as Arizona prepares for its primaries on Tuesday, Mr. Finchem is the candidate of a Trump-backed America First coalition of more than a dozen 2020 election deniers who have sought once-obscure secretary of state posts across the country. While most of them have been considered extremist long shots, a recent poll gave Mr. Finchem an edge in Arizona’s four-way Republican race, though a significant majority of voters are undecided.

    Mr. Finchem’s campaign pronouncements are testament to the evolution of the “Stop the Steal” movement: It is as much about influencing future elections as it is about what happened in 2020.

    To that end, Mr. Finchem, who has identified himself as a member of the Oath Keepers militia in the past, may be the perfectly subversive candidate. Like his America First compatriots, he seeks, quite simply, to upend voting.


    He wants to ban early voting and sharply restrict mail-in ballots, even though the latter were widely popular in Arizona long before the pandemic. He is already suing to suspend the use of all electronic vote-counting machines in Arizona, in litigation bankrolled by the conspiracy theorist and pillow tycoon Mike Lindell. And he has co-sponsored a bill that would give the state’s Republican-led legislature authority to overturn election results.

    If he loses his own race, Mr. Finchem told a June fund-raiser, “ain’t gonna be no concession speech coming from this guy.”

    Mr. Finchem did not respond to requests for comment for this article, and one of his lawyers declined to comment. But in a May email he assured Republican supporters that if he had been in office in 2020, “we would have won. Plain and simple.” In the days after the election, he was co-host of an unofficial hearing at a downtown Phoenix hotel where Mr. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, aired bogus stolen-elections claims. He was instrumental in trying to advance a slate of fake Trump electors in Arizona — part of a scheme to overturn the elections in a number of states that is being investigated by the Justice Department — and he is helping gather signatures to petition to decertify the state’s election results, even though that is not legally possible.

    Mr. Finchem also marched to the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. He has said he did not come closer than 500 yards, but photos have surfaced showing him near the Capitol steps. He is not among the Oath Keepers who have been criminally charged, though he has been subpoenaed by the House committee investigating the attack.

    Mr. Trump called him “the kind of fighter we need” in his endorsement and invited him to speak at his recent rally in Arizona. In the meantime, the other three Republican candidates for secretary of state, who in Arizona also serves as lieutenant governor, have staked out a range of positions on the 2020 election.

    State Representative Shawnna Bolick says she would not have certified President Biden’s 2020 victory, even though it was legally required: “That would’ve been fine,” she said during a debate. “I would have been breaking the law.” The other two candidates — State Senator Michelle Ugenti-Rita and Beau Lane, an advertising executive — say they would have followed the law and certified the election.

    “I don’t think he’s helping build faith in elections, I think he’s sowing doubt in elections, and that’s not what the secretary of state needs to do,” Mr. Lane said of Mr. Finchem in an interview.

    “I do not accept that the election was rigged,” Mr. Lane said, adding that while there were “instances of fraud” that should be prosecuted, he had not seen “evidence of widespread organized fraud that would have changed the outcome.”

    A Michigan transplant, Mr. Finchem, 65, has spent more than seven years as a lawmaker from a district outside Tucson, which during a recent visit was a boiling 115-degree valley set amid mountains and cactuses. He has embraced a sun-baked sheriff aesthetic, favoring large cowboy hats that belie his Detroit birthplace, and was the Arizona coordinator for the Coalition of Western States, a group that once supported the armed occupation of federal land in Oregon.

    He speaks in sober and serious tones and presents himself as a common-sense family man. When asked about his family life by one interviewer, he said his “kids are all grown and gone” and added that nowadays, “I’m thinking about my grandkids” in battles he takes on.

    But his family life has been rocky. He has been married four times and estranged for more than two decades from two adult children, and he does not know their children, family members said. (He also has two stepchildren.)

    He talks frequently about his experience as a police officer and firefighter in Kalamazoo, Mich. But personnel records obtained from that city’s Department of Public Safety, which he left in 1999, include this note in his file: “Retired, poor rating, would not rehire.” A department spokesman declined to comment.

    Mr. Finchem has raised more than $1.2 million, a considerable amount for a campaign for secretary of state. (Mr. Lane has raised about $1.1 million, while the other two candidates trail significantly behind.) Much of the money has come from out of state — seven of the eight donors who were listed as having donated the $5,300 maximum in his last two campaign filings were from elsewhere. Major donors include Brian T. Kennedy, a past president of the right-wing Claremont Institute, and Michael Marsicano, a former mayor of Hazleton, Pa., who recently lost a Republican congressional primary.

    For all that, he has few visible signs of a staff or campaign office. About three-quarters of his expenditures, more than $750,000, have flowed to a Florida political consulting firm run by Spence Rogers, the nephew of Wendy Rogers, an Arizona lawmaker with ties to white nationalists, campaign filings show. A further $53,000, or nearly 5 percent of his total expenditures, have gone to payments to Mr. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort. (Many other Trump-backed candidates have done likewise, including Kari Lake, Mr. Trump’s favored candidate for Arizona governor, whose campaign has spent more than $100,000 at Mar-a-Lago.)

    Mr. Finchem’s handling of donor money has attracted scrutiny. Last year, he sought contributions to a political action committee to help pay for an election hearing. But he directed supporters to send money “to his personal Venmo and PayPal accounts,” rather than to the PAC itself, according to a complaint from a nonprofit group, Campaign for Accountability. State law bars the commingling of political and personal funds. The current secretary of state, Katie Hobbs, a Democrat running for governor, referred the case to Attorney General Mark Brnovich, a Republican, who did not pursue it further; his office said insufficient cause had been established.

    Mr. Finchem limits his media appearances largely to right-wing talk shows; he is a frequent guest on the podcast of the former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon. His embrace of conspiracy theories is expansive. He argues that Marxists conspired to manipulate the 2020 election, that people voted with “software that flips votes,” that Mr. Biden is “a fraudulent president.” The Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol “was a setup,” he said. “The whole thing was a setup.”

    Mr. Finchem has also said that Hezbollah is operating camps in Mexico in league with drug cartels and that the 2017 white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., “has Deep State PSYOP written all over it.” He has embraced QAnon theories, saying that “a whole lot of elected officials” are involved in a pedophile network. He espouses a version of the so-called great replacement theory, saying that “Democrats are trying to import voters” and “want to flood the zone with people who have no right to be here.”

    His ceaselessly conspiratorial bent has its fans — but has also opened him up to ridicule. As one trolling commenter on Mr. Finchem’s Facebook page put it: “Mark Finchem KNOWS that each voting machine has a little illegal immigrant inside, and whenever you vote for our precious Eternal President Lord Donald Trump, that illegal immigrant changes your vote to a vote for HUGO CHAVEZ!”

    Reginald Bolding, the minority leader of the statehouse and one of two Democratic primary candidates for secretary of state, said that a Finchem victory would “signal that our elections would not be safe and secure and “would be manipulated by party affiliation and outcomes that he wants.”

    “I don’t know if Mark Finchem actually believes the things that he says, but they’re not based in reality,” he added.

    Gov. Doug Ducey, a Republican, has endorsed Mr. Lane, as have many in the business community. Mr. Finchem sees in his competitor yet another conspiracy: “Beau Lane is a Democrat Plant,” he recently tweeted. Mr. Lane, for his part, called Mr. Finchem’s plan to stop using vote-counting machines fanciful.

    “It’s something that’s logistically impossible in Arizona,” he said. “Maybe you could pull that off in Wyoming or South Dakota or Delaware. But Arizona is one of the top 15 most populous states. And it just makes no sense.”

    The post Trump-Backed Conspiracy Theorist Vies to Take Over Arizona Elections appeared first on New York Times.

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,790
    will look to see if any changes were made......


     
    Senate approves bill to aid vets exposed to toxic burn pits
    By KEVIN FREKING
    17 mins ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A bill enhancing health care and disability benefits for millions of veterans exposed to toxic burn pits won final approval in the Senate on Tuesday, ending a brief stalemate over the measure that had infuriated advocates and inspired some to camp outside the Capitol.

    The Senate approved the bill by a vote of 86-11. It now goes to President Joe Biden’s desk to be signed into law. He has said the bill “makes good on our sacred obligation” to care for veterans and their families.

    The Senate had overwhelming approved the legislation back in June, but a do-over was required to make a technical fix. That process derailed when Republicans made a late attempt to change another aspect of the bill last week and blocked it from advancing.

    The abrupt delay outraged veterans groups and advocates, including comedian Jon Stewart. It also placed GOP senators in the uncomfortable position of delaying the top legislative priority of service organizations this session of Congress.

    A group of veterans and their families have been camping out at the Capitol since that vote. They had endured thunderstorms and Washington's notorious August humidity, but they were in the galleries as senators cast their votes.

    “You can go home knowing the good and great thing you have done and accomplished for the United States of America," Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer told them.

    The legislation expands access to health care through the Department of Veterans Affairs for millions who served near burn pits. It directs the VA to presume that certain respiratory illnesses and cancers were related to burn pit exposure, allowing veterans to obtain disability payments to compensate for their injury without having to prove the illness was a result of their service.

    Roughly 70% of disability claims related to burn pit exposure are denied by the VA due to lack of evidence, scientific data and information from the Defense Department.

    The military used burn pits to dispose of such things as chemicals, cans, tires, plastics and medical and human waste.

    Hundreds of thousands of Vietnam War era veterans and survivors also stand to benefit from the legislation. The bill adds hypertension, or high blood pressure, as a presumptive disease associated with Agent Orange exposure.

    The Congressional Budget Office projected that about 600,000 of 1.6 million living Vietnam vets would be eligible for increased compensation, though only about half would have severe enough diagnoses to warrant more compensation.

    Also, veterans who served in Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Guam, American Samoa and Johnston Atoll will be presumed to have been exposed to Agent Orange. That’s another 50,000 veterans and survivors of deceased veterans who would get compensation for illnesses presumed to have been caused by their exposure to the herbicide, the CBO projected.

    The bill is projected to increase federal deficits by about $277 billion over 10 years.


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 25,790
    doesnt appear as yet any changes were made.....

    Republicans reverse course as Senate passes burn pits legislation after days of pressure  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/02/republicans-reverse-course-senate-passes-burn-pits-legislation-after-days-pressure/ 

     Republicans reverse course as Senate passes burn pits legislation after days of pressure
    By Paul Kane
    August 02, 2022 at 19:53 ET
    The Senate overwhelmingly gave the final sign-off Tuesday on legislation designed to aid veterans fighting diseases they believe are linked to toxic exposure, particularly those who served in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
    On a 86-11 roll call, the vote served as a political surrender by Senate Republicans, a week after they blocked consideration of the popular legislation seemingly out of political pique because Democrats clinched a party-line deal on an unrelated massive domestic policy bill that could be considered later this week.
    Republicans tried for several days to contend last Wednesday’s blockage of the PACT Act, as it is officially known, had to do with a technical argument about which portion of the federal budget would fund $280 billion worth of new allocation for veteran health programs.
    But 25 Republicans who had recently supported the exact same bill switched their votes last Wednesday, less than an hour after Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced their deal on the ambitious legislation unrelated to the PACT Act.
    Republicans absorbed a series of political blows, led by comedian Jon Stewart and several prominent veterans groups, that, by lunchtime Tuesday, left many ready to settle the matter and vote to send the legislation quickly to President Biden’s desk.
    “He just beat the daylights out of them,” Schumer said Wednesday in a celebratory visit to a couple dozen veterans who have set up a vigil on the Capitol’s north lawn since last week’s failed vote.
    Democratic leaders allowed Stewart and dozens of veterans, their families and other supporters into the chamber’s public gallery for the final series of votes — something that has happened less than a handful of times since the onset of the global pandemic in March 2020 prompted officials to not allow the general public into the House and Senate galleries.
    In the end, 37 Republicans joined 49 members of the Democratic caucus to vote for the legislation, which compels the Department of Veterans Affairs to presume that certain illnesses came from exposure to hazardous waste incineration, mostly focused on the issue of burn pits from recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    That would remove the burden of proof from the injured veterans.
    Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) missed the vote because of a recent hip-replacement surgery.
    In the final moments of debate, the activists grew emotional. Stewart, who took up the cause following a similar effort he helped lead for first responders who suffer lingering effects from the 9/11 site, put his head in his right hand and started to cry as the roll call began. The crowd lit up with brief cheers when the gavel fell, getting quickly admonished by officials for breaking decorum that requires silence.
    Asked to explain the GOP reversal, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) offered no broad explanation and acknowledged the legislation would pass with broad support.
    “Theses things happen all the time with the legislative process,” McConnell told reporters at his weekly news conference, conceding defeat. “I think in the end the veterans service organizations are going to be pleased with the final result.”

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