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You can spread if you're positive but you're far less likely to be positive if you've been vaccinated compared to not vaxxed and never had it. You are less likely to get COVID compared to someone who has had it already, as the latest CDC studies show. Happy?myoung321 said:
No,, that is the point.. Because someone that has been vaccinated also have SOME immunity..mrussel1 said:
Yes, you're correct. Someone that is post COVID has some immunity.myoung321 said:
Unvaxxed are have 0% immunity?? really......hmmm...So those the have had the virus and have natural antibodies have 0% immunity? and they should be Mandated for ..what did you say... Public Health? So we should just ignore this part of the Science for Public Health?mrussel1 said:
That was the clinical study numbers of PHizer for the Alpha strain. We are now on delta strain and the number is lower, but it's still in the 70's to start. Second, the article was ONLY about Phizer.myoung321 said:
90% immunity? I wish..... I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES?mrussel1 said:
Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it. However, you have to catch it to spread the disease. Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH. It's pretty simple math. And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters. And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops. This isn't new or rocket science here.myoung321 said:
Big Difference? The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference?mrussel1 said:
v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me. Big difference.myoung321 said:
This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.mrussel1 said:Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA. This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump. Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it. Not one commercial or rally on those topics. He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history. He stayed on kitchen table issues. He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying).
You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you. He ran a bad campaign. It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in. It was very poorly done. The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry. And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football. Literally.
So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue. But it goes further than just that. It was a bad campaign.
Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again.
Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..
<h3> </h3><h1><b>Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 Months</b> </h1>Oct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people" These are all so scary. I can't believe I got the vaccine.
I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
And if the alpha is 90 at peak, as an example, and wanes into the 60's which has been documented, then you are going to see plenty of cases. But at either number, your chance of spreading the disease is far less likely than if you are not vaxxed. Surely you can see how having a say.. 70% immunity response is better for public health than having a 0% immunity response.
Either way, the point I made stands. You can't argue that COVID isn't a public health crisis. 750k dead is a crisis. Abortion is a personal issue. A woman's choice to keep or abort a baby, and you don't know the woman, has no effect on you personally.
How is it you simply can't see why Mandates are as Unamerican as it gets?... period. and please don't accuse me of being a Trumper or Anti-Vaxxer... I'm neither.. I'm anti-Mandates.
Just amazes me how much trust is put in Big Pharma, especially after the Opioid lies... OxyContin is only addictive to 1% of people..RIGHT? haha
You can spread Covid regardless of vaccination status. Right?
Bottom Line: It shouldn't be anyone's business weather you've been vaccinated to not...
and WTF about Hippaa Laws (The Privacy Rule, a Federal law, gives you rights over your health information and sets rules and limits on who can look at and receive your health information)
I guess if the law doesn't fit the mainstream media and big pharma narrative or the WOKE then they must be ignored..
--- ya ya I know... This is the part where you say .. "You don't have to work for or.....blah blah blah..."
Making people wear Arm Bands to indentify them has never worked out well....
So bottom line, your statement that it is Un-American runs patently against both historical and contemporaneous evidence regarding govt mandates in this country. So you can have an opinion, but it's observably and factually incorrect. That's why you keep avoiding the public school issue.
And last your comparison to Nazi Europe is ignorant and false. Anyone that makes such a comparison is diminishing the horror of the Holocaust and clearly had no understanding of that tragedy.0 -
You also have no idea what HIPPA rules do and don't do. They don't prevent anyone from asking you about medical issues, vaccine status, etc. They don't prevent any company or federal agency from denying or providing services based on your personal medical information. It prevents medical providers from disclosing your medical information to third parties WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT.
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It's very encouraging to hear some of you express hope in the Gen Z kids. At this point in my life, I only know a few and they are kids of parents who used to be non-political but in recent years became pro-Trump and anti-vaccination, anti-mask and this kids seem to be faithful to this b.s. the parents are teaching them. I don't have any influence anymore, so I avoid these folks. Sad.
Anyway, I'm glad to hear some Gen Z kids are getting right. That's great.
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In fairness, if the case fatality rate of covid was 2-5% in children and 10-30% in adults, I don’t think we would be seeing the same holdout. The apparent lack of basic reasoning skills in this country worries me much more than anti-vaxxers. Thanks for the rise in both, social media.The Juggler said:Imagine our grandparents saying "nope" to the polio vaccine....0 -
Seems a tad touchy coming from the party that’s all about “election integrity.”
““It’s unfortunate that while Glenn attempts to unite the Commonwealth around his positive message of better schools, safer streets, a lower cost of living, and more jobs, his political opponents — mad that they suffered historic losses this year — are pitching opposition research on a 17-year old kid who honestly misunderstood Virginia election law and simply asked polling officials if he was eligible to vote; when informed he was not, he went to school,” O’Malley wrote.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/glenn-youngkin-son-vote-election/2021/11/05/f5eb7ce0-3e62-11ec-8ee9-4f14a26749d1_story.html
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Halifax2TheMax said:Seems a tad touchy coming from the party that’s all about “election integrity.”
““It’s unfortunate that while Glenn attempts to unite the Commonwealth around his positive message of better schools, safer streets, a lower cost of living, and more jobs, his political opponents — mad that they suffered historic losses this year — are pitching opposition research on a 17-year old kid who honestly misunderstood Virginia election law and simply asked polling officials if he was eligible to vote; when informed he was not, he went to school,” O’Malley wrote.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/glenn-youngkin-son-vote-election/2021/11/05/f5eb7ce0-3e62-11ec-8ee9-4f14a26749d1_story.html
are you telling me, the son of the candidate for governor did not know the laws surrounding voting?
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Right, what a bunch of crap.mickeyrat said:Halifax2TheMax said:Seems a tad touchy coming from the party that’s all about “election integrity.”
““It’s unfortunate that while Glenn attempts to unite the Commonwealth around his positive message of better schools, safer streets, a lower cost of living, and more jobs, his political opponents — mad that they suffered historic losses this year — are pitching opposition research on a 17-year old kid who honestly misunderstood Virginia election law and simply asked polling officials if he was eligible to vote; when informed he was not, he went to school,” O’Malley wrote.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/glenn-youngkin-son-vote-election/2021/11/05/f5eb7ce0-3e62-11ec-8ee9-4f14a26749d1_story.html
are you telling me, the son of the candidate for governor did not know the laws surrounding voting?0 -
The campaign could have just said the kid made a mistake, was told what the law was, got denied a ballot and received a lecture from his father the governor elect. All the crap about how the governor ran to make things great again and the “opposition research” comment is just sad. Does anyone accept responsibility anymore? I particularly don’t care and figure it was just a punk move by a teenager.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Not true....mrussel1 said:
You can spread if you're positive but you're far less likely to be positive if you've been vaccinated compared to not vaxxedmyoung321 said:
No,, that is the point.. Because someone that has been vaccinated also have SOME immunity..mrussel1 said:
Yes, you're correct. Someone that is post COVID has some immunity.myoung321 said:
Unvaxxed are have 0% immunity?? really......hmmm...So those the have had the virus and have natural antibodies have 0% immunity? and they should be Mandated for ..what did you say... Public Health? So we should just ignore this part of the Science for Public Health?mrussel1 said:
That was the clinical study numbers of PHizer for the Alpha strain. We are now on delta strain and the number is lower, but it's still in the 70's to start. Second, the article was ONLY about Phizer.myoung321 said:
90% immunity? I wish..... I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES?mrussel1 said:
Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it. However, you have to catch it to spread the disease. Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH. It's pretty simple math. And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters. And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops. This isn't new or rocket science here.myoung321 said:
Big Difference? The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference?mrussel1 said:
v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me. Big difference.myoung321 said:
This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.mrussel1 said:Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA. This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump. Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it. Not one commercial or rally on those topics. He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history. He stayed on kitchen table issues. He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying).
You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you. He ran a bad campaign. It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in. It was very poorly done. The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry. And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football. Literally.
So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue. But it goes further than just that. It was a bad campaign.
Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again.
Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..
Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 MonthsOct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people" These are all so scary. I can't believe I got the vaccine.
I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
And if the alpha is 90 at peak, as an example, and wanes into the 60's which has been documented, then you are going to see plenty of cases. But at either number, your chance of spreading the disease is far less likely than if you are not vaxxed. Surely you can see how having a say.. 70% immunity response is better for public health than having a 0% immunity response.
Either way, the point I made stands. You can't argue that COVID isn't a public health crisis. 750k dead is a crisis. Abortion is a personal issue. A woman's choice to keep or abort a baby, and you don't know the woman, has no effect on you personally.
How is it you simply can't see why Mandates are as Unamerican as it gets?... period. and please don't accuse me of being a Trumper or Anti-Vaxxer... I'm neither.. I'm anti-Mandates.
Just amazes me how much trust is put in Big Pharma, especially after the Opioid lies... OxyContin is only addictive to 1% of people..RIGHT? haha
You can spread Covid regardless of vaccination status. Right?
Bottom Line: It shouldn't be anyone's business weather you've been vaccinated to not...
and WTF about Hippaa Laws (The Privacy Rule, a Federal law, gives you rights over your health information and sets rules and limits on who can look at and receive your health information)
I guess if the law doesn't fit the mainstream media and big pharma narrative or the WOKE then they must be ignored..
--- ya ya I know... This is the part where you say .. "You don't have to work for or.....blah blah blah..."
Making people wear Arm Bands to indentify them has never worked out well....
Least likely to be hospitalized if vaxxed..(maybe).......not less likely to catch & spread...
and I answered your public school comment... Yes I am all for vaccines that have clinical studies, proven long term effects and have been proven over years to work .. You can't say any of that about the MRNA Covid Vaccines..
and ignorance attack back to you...FO ... You can't ignore history simply because you don't like the comparison.. Then try to demean me with some woke crap about how no one should compare Jews in WWII... ... What about right here in the US... Japanese Americans had to carry special "papers' ID and were "relocated"...
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Oh wait, so you're all for mandates on vaccines, just not new ones? You're not being clear.myoung321 said:
Not true....mrussel1 said:
You can spread if you're positive but you're far less likely to be positive if you've been vaccinated compared to not vaxxedmyoung321 said:
No,, that is the point.. Because someone that has been vaccinated also have SOME immunity..mrussel1 said:
Yes, you're correct. Someone that is post COVID has some immunity.myoung321 said:
Unvaxxed are have 0% immunity?? really......hmmm...So those the have had the virus and have natural antibodies have 0% immunity? and they should be Mandated for ..what did you say... Public Health? So we should just ignore this part of the Science for Public Health?mrussel1 said:
That was the clinical study numbers of PHizer for the Alpha strain. We are now on delta strain and the number is lower, but it's still in the 70's to start. Second, the article was ONLY about Phizer.myoung321 said:
90% immunity? I wish..... I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES?mrussel1 said:
Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it. However, you have to catch it to spread the disease. Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH. It's pretty simple math. And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters. And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops. This isn't new or rocket science here.myoung321 said:
Big Difference? The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference?mrussel1 said:
v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me. Big difference.myoung321 said:
This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.mrussel1 said:Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA. This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump. Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it. Not one commercial or rally on those topics. He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history. He stayed on kitchen table issues. He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying).
You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you. He ran a bad campaign. It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in. It was very poorly done. The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry. And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football. Literally.
So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue. But it goes further than just that. It was a bad campaign.
Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again.
Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..
Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 MonthsOct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people" These are all so scary. I can't believe I got the vaccine.
I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
And if the alpha is 90 at peak, as an example, and wanes into the 60's which has been documented, then you are going to see plenty of cases. But at either number, your chance of spreading the disease is far less likely than if you are not vaxxed. Surely you can see how having a say.. 70% immunity response is better for public health than having a 0% immunity response.
Either way, the point I made stands. You can't argue that COVID isn't a public health crisis. 750k dead is a crisis. Abortion is a personal issue. A woman's choice to keep or abort a baby, and you don't know the woman, has no effect on you personally.
How is it you simply can't see why Mandates are as Unamerican as it gets?... period. and please don't accuse me of being a Trumper or Anti-Vaxxer... I'm neither.. I'm anti-Mandates.
Just amazes me how much trust is put in Big Pharma, especially after the Opioid lies... OxyContin is only addictive to 1% of people..RIGHT? haha
You can spread Covid regardless of vaccination status. Right?
Bottom Line: It shouldn't be anyone's business weather you've been vaccinated to not...
and WTF about Hippaa Laws (The Privacy Rule, a Federal law, gives you rights over your health information and sets rules and limits on who can look at and receive your health information)
I guess if the law doesn't fit the mainstream media and big pharma narrative or the WOKE then they must be ignored..
--- ya ya I know... This is the part where you say .. "You don't have to work for or.....blah blah blah..."
Making people wear Arm Bands to indentify them has never worked out well....
Least likely to be hospitalized if vaxxed..(maybe).......not less likely to catch & spread...
and I answered your public school comment... Yes I am all for vaccines that have clinical studies, proven long term effects and have been proven over years to work .. You can't say any of that about the MRNA Covid Vaccines..
I'll come back to your other inaccurate comment once I pull this one apart.
And then let's get back to your Nazi comparisons, Marjorie. I'd love to hear your take on how public school mandates, civil contractor testing / mandated are the same as genocide. This should be really insightful.0 -
Look at what you wrote... that's freedom?mrussel1 said:You also have no idea what HIPPA rules do and don't do. They don't prevent anyone from asking you about medical issues, vaccine status, etc. They don't prevent any company or federal agency from denying or providing services based on your personal medical information. It prevents medical providers from disclosing your medical information to third parties WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT.
JHC.
Have a nice day..."The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
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I'm sorry you are so woefully uninformed. So let's round this out:myoung321 said:
Look at what you wrote... that's freedom?mrussel1 said:You also have no idea what HIPPA rules do and don't do. They don't prevent anyone from asking you about medical issues, vaccine status, etc. They don't prevent any company or federal agency from denying or providing services based on your personal medical information. It prevents medical providers from disclosing your medical information to third parties WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT.
JHC.
Have a nice day...
1. Yes it's freedom for someone to ask you to provide something medical, and if you say no, they dont' provide you a service. Freedom goes both ways. They are free not to provide you a service. They are free not to let a plague rat into the schools, work, the marketplace, etc. Freedom isn't just about your ass.
2. The Polio vaccine was invented in 1954. Children were part of the test trials and the mandates were immediate once the clinical work was done. So your statement of "I'm for vaccines that were tested blah blah blah" is totally uninformed.
3. Every state in teh union has mandates for vaccines for school children. But okay, it's Un-American. Got it bub.
4. There are vaccines that are not MRNA. J&J and AZ are vector. Moderna and Phizer are MRNA. This is just a side note since you seem to get everything wrong.
4. Vaccines BOTH reduce your chances of getting the virus and the severity of the illness if you get it. Think about it. The point of a vaccine is to stimulate the body to make anti-bodies to stop infection and reduce illness. It is doing the same thing that natural immunity does. So if you were right that the vaccine does not reduce the chance of getting Covid, then that means the natural immunity does not reduce the chance of getting sick a second time. Is that really what you're arguing?
5. Go back under the rock with your Nazi bullshit.Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
myoung321 said:
Not true....mrussel1 said:
You can spread if you're positive but you're far less likely to be positive if you've been vaccinated compared to not vaxxedmyoung321 said:
No,, that is the point.. Because someone that has been vaccinated also have SOME immunity..mrussel1 said:
Yes, you're correct. Someone that is post COVID has some immunity.myoung321 said:
Unvaxxed are have 0% immunity?? really......hmmm...So those the have had the virus and have natural antibodies have 0% immunity? and they should be Mandated for ..what did you say... Public Health? So we should just ignore this part of the Science for Public Health?mrussel1 said:
That was the clinical study numbers of PHizer for the Alpha strain. We are now on delta strain and the number is lower, but it's still in the 70's to start. Second, the article was ONLY about Phizer.myoung321 said:
90% immunity? I wish..... I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES?mrussel1 said:
Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it. However, you have to catch it to spread the disease. Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH. It's pretty simple math. And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters. And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops. This isn't new or rocket science here.myoung321 said:
Big Difference? The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference?mrussel1 said:
v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me. Big difference.myoung321 said:
This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.mrussel1 said:Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA. This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump. Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it. Not one commercial or rally on those topics. He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history. He stayed on kitchen table issues. He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying).
You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you. He ran a bad campaign. It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in. It was very poorly done. The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry. And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football. Literally.
So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue. But it goes further than just that. It was a bad campaign.
Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again.
Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..
Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 MonthsOct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people" These are all so scary. I can't believe I got the vaccine.
I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
And if the alpha is 90 at peak, as an example, and wanes into the 60's which has been documented, then you are going to see plenty of cases. But at either number, your chance of spreading the disease is far less likely than if you are not vaxxed. Surely you can see how having a say.. 70% immunity response is better for public health than having a 0% immunity response.
Either way, the point I made stands. You can't argue that COVID isn't a public health crisis. 750k dead is a crisis. Abortion is a personal issue. A woman's choice to keep or abort a baby, and you don't know the woman, has no effect on you personally.
How is it you simply can't see why Mandates are as Unamerican as it gets?... period. and please don't accuse me of being a Trumper or Anti-Vaxxer... I'm neither.. I'm anti-Mandates.
Just amazes me how much trust is put in Big Pharma, especially after the Opioid lies... OxyContin is only addictive to 1% of people..RIGHT? haha
You can spread Covid regardless of vaccination status. Right?
Bottom Line: It shouldn't be anyone's business weather you've been vaccinated to not...
and WTF about Hippaa Laws (The Privacy Rule, a Federal law, gives you rights over your health information and sets rules and limits on who can look at and receive your health information)
I guess if the law doesn't fit the mainstream media and big pharma narrative or the WOKE then they must be ignored..
--- ya ya I know... This is the part where you say .. "You don't have to work for or.....blah blah blah..."
Making people wear Arm Bands to indentify them has never worked out well....
Least likely to be hospitalized if vaxxed..(maybe).......not less likely to catch & spread...
and I answered your public school comment... Yes I am all for vaccines that have clinical studies, proven long term effects and have been proven over years to work .. You can't say any of that about the MRNA Covid Vaccines..
and ignorance attack back to you...FO ... You can't ignore history simply because you don't like the comparison.. Then try to demean me with some woke crap about how no one should compare Jews in WWII... ... What about right here in the US... Japanese Americans had to carry special "papers' ID and were "relocated"...
Information from our provincial health officer in link. Probably more than you want to read, so the bottom line is:
If you are unvaccinated - adjusted for age - you are 10 times more likely to be infected, 50 times more likely to end up in hospital, and 46 times more likely to die - than someone who is fully vaccinated.
https://news.gov.bc.ca/files/04.11.21_Covid19Modelling.pdf
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I didn't see your edit. Your understanding of history is pathetic. This isn't Woke to be disgusted by a comparison of vaccine mandates to the Holocaust. It shows willful ignorance.myoung321 said:
Not true....mrussel1 said:
You can spread if you're positive but you're far less likely to be positive if you've been vaccinated compared to not vaxxedmyoung321 said:
No,, that is the point.. Because someone that has been vaccinated also have SOME immunity..mrussel1 said:
Yes, you're correct. Someone that is post COVID has some immunity.myoung321 said:
Unvaxxed are have 0% immunity?? really......hmmm...So those the have had the virus and have natural antibodies have 0% immunity? and they should be Mandated for ..what did you say... Public Health? So we should just ignore this part of the Science for Public Health?mrussel1 said:
That was the clinical study numbers of PHizer for the Alpha strain. We are now on delta strain and the number is lower, but it's still in the 70's to start. Second, the article was ONLY about Phizer.myoung321 said:
90% immunity? I wish..... I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES?mrussel1 said:
Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it. However, you have to catch it to spread the disease. Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH. It's pretty simple math. And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters. And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops. This isn't new or rocket science here.myoung321 said:
Big Difference? The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference?mrussel1 said:
v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me. Big difference.myoung321 said:
This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.mrussel1 said:Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA. This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump. Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it. Not one commercial or rally on those topics. He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history. He stayed on kitchen table issues. He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying).
You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you. He ran a bad campaign. It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in. It was very poorly done. The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry. And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football. Literally.
So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue. But it goes further than just that. It was a bad campaign.
Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again.
Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..
Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 MonthsOct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people" These are all so scary. I can't believe I got the vaccine.
I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
And if the alpha is 90 at peak, as an example, and wanes into the 60's which has been documented, then you are going to see plenty of cases. But at either number, your chance of spreading the disease is far less likely than if you are not vaxxed. Surely you can see how having a say.. 70% immunity response is better for public health than having a 0% immunity response.
Either way, the point I made stands. You can't argue that COVID isn't a public health crisis. 750k dead is a crisis. Abortion is a personal issue. A woman's choice to keep or abort a baby, and you don't know the woman, has no effect on you personally.
How is it you simply can't see why Mandates are as Unamerican as it gets?... period. and please don't accuse me of being a Trumper or Anti-Vaxxer... I'm neither.. I'm anti-Mandates.
Just amazes me how much trust is put in Big Pharma, especially after the Opioid lies... OxyContin is only addictive to 1% of people..RIGHT? haha
You can spread Covid regardless of vaccination status. Right?
Bottom Line: It shouldn't be anyone's business weather you've been vaccinated to not...
and WTF about Hippaa Laws (The Privacy Rule, a Federal law, gives you rights over your health information and sets rules and limits on who can look at and receive your health information)
I guess if the law doesn't fit the mainstream media and big pharma narrative or the WOKE then they must be ignored..
--- ya ya I know... This is the part where you say .. "You don't have to work for or.....blah blah blah..."
Making people wear Arm Bands to indentify them has never worked out well....
Least likely to be hospitalized if vaxxed..(maybe).......not less likely to catch & spread...
and I answered your public school comment... Yes I am all for vaccines that have clinical studies, proven long term effects and have been proven over years to work .. You can't say any of that about the MRNA Covid Vaccines..
and ignorance attack back to you...FO ... You can't ignore history simply because you don't like the comparison.. Then try to demean me with some woke crap about how no one should compare Jews in WWII... ... What about right here in the US... Japanese Americans had to carry special "papers' ID and were "relocated"...
And your comparison to the internment atrocity is just as pathetic. Here's a clue. You're choosing to be stupid and not participate in society. The Japanese in the US and the Jews had no such choice. They were forcibly detained. You can't go to a concert without testing. Boo hoo, giant baby. See the difference?
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Have you been relocated? Have you had to carry special papers to do anything other than get into a stadium or restaurant?myoung321 said:
Not true....mrussel1 said:
You can spread if you're positive but you're far less likely to be positive if you've been vaccinated compared to not vaxxedmyoung321 said:
No,, that is the point.. Because someone that has been vaccinated also have SOME immunity..mrussel1 said:
Yes, you're correct. Someone that is post COVID has some immunity.myoung321 said:
Unvaxxed are have 0% immunity?? really......hmmm...So those the have had the virus and have natural antibodies have 0% immunity? and they should be Mandated for ..what did you say... Public Health? So we should just ignore this part of the Science for Public Health?mrussel1 said:
That was the clinical study numbers of PHizer for the Alpha strain. We are now on delta strain and the number is lower, but it's still in the 70's to start. Second, the article was ONLY about Phizer.myoung321 said:
90% immunity? I wish..... I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES?mrussel1 said:
Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it. However, you have to catch it to spread the disease. Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH. It's pretty simple math. And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters. And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops. This isn't new or rocket science here.myoung321 said:
Big Difference? The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference?mrussel1 said:
v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me. Big difference.myoung321 said:
This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.mrussel1 said:Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA. This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump. Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it. Not one commercial or rally on those topics. He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history. He stayed on kitchen table issues. He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying).
You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you. He ran a bad campaign. It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in. It was very poorly done. The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry. And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football. Literally.
So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue. But it goes further than just that. It was a bad campaign.
Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again.
Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..
Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 MonthsOct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people" These are all so scary. I can't believe I got the vaccine.
I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
And if the alpha is 90 at peak, as an example, and wanes into the 60's which has been documented, then you are going to see plenty of cases. But at either number, your chance of spreading the disease is far less likely than if you are not vaxxed. Surely you can see how having a say.. 70% immunity response is better for public health than having a 0% immunity response.
Either way, the point I made stands. You can't argue that COVID isn't a public health crisis. 750k dead is a crisis. Abortion is a personal issue. A woman's choice to keep or abort a baby, and you don't know the woman, has no effect on you personally.
How is it you simply can't see why Mandates are as Unamerican as it gets?... period. and please don't accuse me of being a Trumper or Anti-Vaxxer... I'm neither.. I'm anti-Mandates.
Just amazes me how much trust is put in Big Pharma, especially after the Opioid lies... OxyContin is only addictive to 1% of people..RIGHT? haha
You can spread Covid regardless of vaccination status. Right?
Bottom Line: It shouldn't be anyone's business weather you've been vaccinated to not...
and WTF about Hippaa Laws (The Privacy Rule, a Federal law, gives you rights over your health information and sets rules and limits on who can look at and receive your health information)
I guess if the law doesn't fit the mainstream media and big pharma narrative or the WOKE then they must be ignored..
--- ya ya I know... This is the part where you say .. "You don't have to work for or.....blah blah blah..."
Making people wear Arm Bands to indentify them has never worked out well....
Least likely to be hospitalized if vaxxed..(maybe).......not less likely to catch & spread...
and I answered your public school comment... Yes I am all for vaccines that have clinical studies, proven long term effects and have been proven over years to work .. You can't say any of that about the MRNA Covid Vaccines..
and ignorance attack back to you...FO ... You can't ignore history simply because you don't like the comparison.. Then try to demean me with some woke crap about how no one should compare Jews in WWII... ... What about right here in the US... Japanese Americans had to carry special "papers' ID and were "relocated"...my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Many people in my family wore the stars, wore the armbands, and died at the hands of the nazis.myoung321 said:
No,, that is the point.. Because someone that has been vaccinated also have SOME immunity..mrussel1 said:
Yes, you're correct. Someone that is post COVID has some immunity.myoung321 said:
Unvaxxed are have 0% immunity?? really......hmmm...So those the have had the virus and have natural antibodies have 0% immunity? and they should be Mandated for ..what did you say... Public Health? So we should just ignore this part of the Science for Public Health?mrussel1 said:
That was the clinical study numbers of PHizer for the Alpha strain. We are now on delta strain and the number is lower, but it's still in the 70's to start. Second, the article was ONLY about Phizer.myoung321 said:
90% immunity? I wish..... I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES?mrussel1 said:
Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it. However, you have to catch it to spread the disease. Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH. It's pretty simple math. And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters. And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops. This isn't new or rocket science here.myoung321 said:
Big Difference? The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference?mrussel1 said:
v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me. Big difference.myoung321 said:
This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.mrussel1 said:Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA. This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump. Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it. Not one commercial or rally on those topics. He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history. He stayed on kitchen table issues. He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying).
You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you. He ran a bad campaign. It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in. It was very poorly done. The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry. And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football. Literally.
So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue. But it goes further than just that. It was a bad campaign.
Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again.
Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..
Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 MonthsOct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people" These are all so scary. I can't believe I got the vaccine.
I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months
And if the alpha is 90 at peak, as an example, and wanes into the 60's which has been documented, then you are going to see plenty of cases. But at either number, your chance of spreading the disease is far less likely than if you are not vaxxed. Surely you can see how having a say.. 70% immunity response is better for public health than having a 0% immunity response.
Either way, the point I made stands. You can't argue that COVID isn't a public health crisis. 750k dead is a crisis. Abortion is a personal issue. A woman's choice to keep or abort a baby, and you don't know the woman, has no effect on you personally.
How is it you simply can't see why Mandates are as Unamerican as it gets?... period. and please don't accuse me of being a Trumper or Anti-Vaxxer... I'm neither.. I'm anti-Mandates.
Just amazes me how much trust is put in Big Pharma, especially after the Opioid lies... OxyContin is only addictive to 1% of people..RIGHT? haha
You can spread Covid regardless of vaccination status. Right?
Bottom Line: It shouldn't be anyone's business weather you've been vaccinated to not...
and WTF about Hippaa Laws (The Privacy Rule, a Federal law, gives you rights over your health information and sets rules and limits on who can look at and receive your health information)
I guess if the law doesn't fit the mainstream media and big pharma narrative or the WOKE then they must be ignored..
--- ya ya I know... This is the part where you say .. "You don't have to work for or.....blah blah blah..."
Making people wear Arm Bands to indentify them has never worked out well....
Not one single member of my family has ever died from a vaccine that was new or established.
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I'm a moderate VA Democrat, a teacher and an education voter. I am not what people would call a far lefty by any means. For the first time in my 33 years in voting, I had to drag myself to the polls to vote. I had no joy in it at all.Even so, I left the box for my incumbent Democratic delegate (Danica Roem, 13th district) blank. She co-sponsored an education bill last session, now a law, to TRIPLE the amount of standardized tests students will take in grades 3-8. "I want my child to take more standardized tests" -- SAID NO PARENT EVER.As an insider, I know for a fact that "teaching CRT in VA schools" is not a real thing, but as an insider I also know for a fact that "diversity, equity, and inclusion" work is very real and it does now dominate every single professional development agenda. A key talking point in the work is that students of color are disproportionately impacted by school discipline policies (sound familiar?). Of course, data does not lie. The policy response to this systemic disparity, however, has been your typical, knee-jerk, leftist, overly-compensated reaction: Eliminate consequences for disruptive behavior entirely. It is now a fact in Virginia law and the state accreditation formula that schools cannot suspend unruly students, or isolate them in any way, or *even simply talk to them alone in a room* if their parents haven't been notified of their "rights" first. As a result, VA schools have been rendered completely impotent in providing an orderly place for students to learn. Unruly students are effectively in charge of day-to-day operations, and guess what? Everyone's learnings actually suffers. Add insult to injury, the social justice warriors, through state regulation, are now stripping parents of access to merit-based programs for their children for the same reasons of "disparate proportionality." Even the behaviorally compliant students who want to excel are having obstacles erected against them every where they turn.So: more government-imposed standardization and kickbacks to testing technology hedge funds. A complete breakdown in school discipline. A focus on diversity training at the expense of all other important pedagogical matters. The elimination of nationally-ranked, model programs because some people feel badly about themselves when they don't get in. These are the Democratic education policies that have VA voters like me reeling. This year I managed to crawl to the polls to vote D on the statewide ticket. Next time, maybe not.0
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Thanks for your perspective from the inside, particularly NOVA. I only have one child left in school in Henrico. One is at JMU and the other graduated from W&M a few years ago. And the one left is in all advanced so she doesn't have the same experience as your describing with behavior issues.what dreams said:I'm a moderate VA Democrat, a teacher and an education voter. I am not what people would call a far lefty by any means. For the first time in my 33 years in voting, I had to drag myself to the polls to vote. I had no joy in it at all.Even so, I left the box for my incumbent Democratic delegate (Danica Roem, 13th district) blank. She co-sponsored an education bill last session, now a law, to TRIPLE the amount of standardized tests students will take in grades 3-8. "I want my child to take more standardized tests" -- SAID NO PARENT EVER.As an insider, I know for a fact that "teaching CRT in VA schools" is not a real thing, but as an insider I also know for a fact that "diversity, equity, and inclusion" work is very real and it does now dominate every single professional development agenda. A key talking point in the work is that students of color are disproportionately impacted by school discipline policies (sound familiar?). Of course, data does not lie. The policy response to this systemic disparity, however, has been your typical, knee-jerk, leftist, overly-compensated reaction: Eliminate consequences for disruptive behavior entirely. It is now a fact in Virginia law and the state accreditation formula that schools cannot suspend unruly students, or isolate them in any way, or *even simply talk to them alone in a room* if their parents haven't been notified of their "rights" first. As a result, VA schools have been rendered completely impotent in providing an orderly place for students to learn. Unruly students are effectively in charge of day-to-day operations, and guess what? Everyone's learnings actually suffers. Add insult to injury, the social justice warriors, through state regulation, are now stripping parents of access to merit-based programs for their children for the same reasons of "disparate proportionality." Even the behaviorally compliant students who want to excel are having obstacles erected against them every where they turn.So: more government-imposed standardization and kickbacks to testing technology hedge funds. A complete breakdown in school discipline. A focus on diversity training at the expense of all other important pedagogical matters. The elimination of nationally-ranked, model programs because some people feel badly about themselves when they don't get in. These are the Democratic education policies that have VA voters like me reeling. This year I managed to crawl to the polls to vote D on the statewide ticket. Next time, maybe not.
So I'm curious what you think about this article from Andrew Sullivan regarding the state of schools and unions. It seems to align with what you're saying, but Sullivan tends to overstate so I'm interested in the views of a left center educator like you.
https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/the-woke-meet-their-match-parents-d7b
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A major point Sullivan does not address is a major disconnect between regular old teachers and union leaders.mrussel1 said:
Thanks for your perspective from the inside, particularly NOVA. I only have one child left in school in Henrico. One is at JMU and the other graduated from W&M a few years ago. And the one left is in all advanced so she doesn't have the same experience as your describing with behavior issues.what dreams said:I'm a moderate VA Democrat, a teacher and an education voter. I am not what people would call a far lefty by any means. For the first time in my 33 years in voting, I had to drag myself to the polls to vote. I had no joy in it at all.Even so, I left the box for my incumbent Democratic delegate (Danica Roem, 13th district) blank. She co-sponsored an education bill last session, now a law, to TRIPLE the amount of standardized tests students will take in grades 3-8. "I want my child to take more standardized tests" -- SAID NO PARENT EVER.As an insider, I know for a fact that "teaching CRT in VA schools" is not a real thing, but as an insider I also know for a fact that "diversity, equity, and inclusion" work is very real and it does now dominate every single professional development agenda. A key talking point in the work is that students of color are disproportionately impacted by school discipline policies (sound familiar?). Of course, data does not lie. The policy response to this systemic disparity, however, has been your typical, knee-jerk, leftist, overly-compensated reaction: Eliminate consequences for disruptive behavior entirely. It is now a fact in Virginia law and the state accreditation formula that schools cannot suspend unruly students, or isolate them in any way, or *even simply talk to them alone in a room* if their parents haven't been notified of their "rights" first. As a result, VA schools have been rendered completely impotent in providing an orderly place for students to learn. Unruly students are effectively in charge of day-to-day operations, and guess what? Everyone's learnings actually suffers. Add insult to injury, the social justice warriors, through state regulation, are now stripping parents of access to merit-based programs for their children for the same reasons of "disparate proportionality." Even the behaviorally compliant students who want to excel are having obstacles erected against them every where they turn.So: more government-imposed standardization and kickbacks to testing technology hedge funds. A complete breakdown in school discipline. A focus on diversity training at the expense of all other important pedagogical matters. The elimination of nationally-ranked, model programs because some people feel badly about themselves when they don't get in. These are the Democratic education policies that have VA voters like me reeling. This year I managed to crawl to the polls to vote D on the statewide ticket. Next time, maybe not.
So I'm curious what you think about this article from Andrew Sullivan regarding the state of schools and unions. It seems to align with what you're saying, but Sullivan tends to overstate so I'm interested in the views of a left center educator like you.
https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/the-woke-meet-their-match-parents-d7b
As you know, VA is a right to work state where collective bargaining has only recently been half-won. VA teachers are only in the infant stages of knowing how to begin the collective bargaining process. Union membership is not high (too busy to check statewide statistic right now but I'm involved in the local VEA at my school, and it's only about 50%). I belong to two statewide networking and advocacy groups in addition the VEA (Badass Teachers and VA Educators United), and our members are livid with the way the state VEA president has coddled up with legislators to enact legislation and policies we don't support. I can also say that by and large, teachers in VA are a compliant, make no waves, follow the rules kind of group. We can barely get them to march or sign petitions for higher wages, much less strike for them.
Overall, Sullivan's "blame the unions" and what parents saw during COVID is bullshit fantasy. Our state is not LA, Chicago, or NY, as you also know. It is true that the VEA leaders are pushing things into official policy. Teachers are checking boxes. But to suggest we're all talking about gender and pronouns all day long is ridiculous. The only time I talk about gender and pronouns are when I'm teaching grammar, or when a student (one this year) *privately* approaches me, or when I hear hateful speech in my earshot. It's really frustrating to not be able to fight back against these mischaracterizations that get voiced at a national level.0 -
Thanks for your thoughts. I suspected much of this was overstated. He took a nugget of truth and blows it out. I see that on both ends of the political spectrum.0
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