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myoung321

Halifax2TheMax said:

myoung321 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

myoung321 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

So explain the white fueled anger and the storming of the capitol to me. What’s their grievance? Because I don’t understand it. Anyone?

Not all pissed off Americans are "Trumpers" or stormed the capital.... 1 simple example...How long have Dems ran on "We will lower prescription drug prices"? 15? 20 years? ...yet every time they have a majority it doesn't get done. 

Increasing the minimum wage? Enhanced Medicare?   Nope, can't afford that...  But ......

$29 Billion in Military Funding Tucked Inside Proposed Coronavirus Relief Package

 

What are the repub solutions or alternatives to what you posted or better yet, their alternatives to Biden’s Build Back Better legislation? Repubs won’t even allow debate on renewing the Voting Rights Act. Seems you’re only blaming Dems?

I have no clue what the Republican solution is... I'm not a Republican...but thanks for assuming... 

Alternatives? Anything that will actually help people... pouring more money into the Military and continuing to give Corporations a pass is insane..

   

I didn't assume that you were a repub. I just asked if you knew what their solutions were? Dems and Indys can know these things, if they exist. I'm still looking for repub solutions to any of our pressing issues.

Have you looked at the Build Back Better Plan? Do you see what Biden is trying to get through?

My apologies for assuming...

I know what has been cut...

Medicare Drug Price Negotiation

Paid Family Leave

Two Years of Free Community College

Medicare Dental, Vision & Hearing Coverage

Yet 29 billion added to already bulging Trillion $ Defense budget.. ..experts say, 20 billion would cure the homeless issue..but lets throw more money away to the continued Empire strategy. 
 
"Trying to get through" is the key phrase,,,, 

As Corporate Dems Belly-Ache Over Social Investments, Senate Panel Approves Extra $29 Billion for Pentagon  

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/pressroom/articles/2021/10/19/senate-panel-approves-extra-29-billion-pentagon/

mrussel1

Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA.  This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump.  Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it.  Not one commercial or rally on those topics.  He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history.  He stayed on kitchen table issues.  He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying). 

You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you.  He ran a bad campaign.  It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in.  It was very poorly done.  The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry.  And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football.  Literally.  

So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue.  But it goes further than just that.  It was a bad campaign. 

Ledbetterman10

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Kat said:

It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. 
Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. 
Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?  

Carville was spot on. Here's the article...

James Carville Says ‘Stupid Wokeness’ Costs Democrats at the Polls (msn.com)

He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”

“Some of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”

Couldn't agree more.  The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness.  It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country.  It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.

It might be helping build the radical right, but what it's definitely doing is turning off people from the Democratic Party. Whether those turned-off people join the GOP or vote republican in presidential and senate races around the country remain to be seen. But the Virginia governor race isn't a good sign for the Dems. 

Ya know, when I watched the George Floyd killing, like anybody, I thought it was terrible and (stupidly) felt this would be a coming-together moment for the country. And within days, it turned into "white people are evil." 

People that support the woke agenda want history taught as it was. That's fine. If they want chapter one of an American History textbook to depict white Europeans invading the jungles of West Africa and enslaving the natives, have at it, because that really happened. But don't be teaching that in 2021, whites are oppressors and blacks are oppressed.

And enough with the propaganda. Did you see Colin Kaepernick's Netflix thing that compared the NFL combine to a slave auction? It's fucking insulting to the slaves! Those were real people that suffered. You can't on one hand want to teach history (1619 project, CRT, etc.) and on the other hand, weaponize it with dangerous, manipulative propaganda. Sorry, but the white guy that might be the boss at your job is not tantamount to a slave owner. 

First bolded...When did anyone with influence in the democratic party or the left in general ever suggest this..I heard this on am radio and fox but not from any actual dem or leftist influential types.

2nd bolded...I though the case was that white people are benefitting from a long history of whiteness and oppressing of Blacks and minorities, not that they are as a whole actually consciously oppressing anyone.  Again this is not a point I have seen suggested by Dems, left media or leftists.  In general the case can be made that the prevailing culture of whiteness is oppressive to minorities, but I am not seeing anyone suggesting that all of us white people are out and out running around oppressing people.  I guess nuance has been lost.

Well yeah nobody comes out and says verbatim “white peoples are evil,” but just like there’s dog whistling on the right, there’s dog whistling on the left. 

myoung321

mrussel1 said:

Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA.  This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump.  Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it.  Not one commercial or rally on those topics.  He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history.  He stayed on kitchen table issues.  He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying). 

You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you.  He ran a bad campaign.  It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in.  It was very poorly done.  The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry.  And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football.  Literally.  

So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue.  But it goes further than just that.  It was a bad campaign. 

This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.

Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again. 

Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..  

mrussel1

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA.  This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump.  Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it.  Not one commercial or rally on those topics.  He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history.  He stayed on kitchen table issues.  He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying). 

You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you.  He ran a bad campaign.  It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in.  It was very poorly done.  The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry.  And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football.  Literally.  

So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue.  But it goes further than just that.  It was a bad campaign. 

This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.

Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again. 

Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..  

That's not hypocrisy.  Abortion isn't a public health issue, that's a personal health issue.  You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me.  Big difference.  

Second, if this is the playbook the R's use in the future, then I say "Thank the friggin Maker".  Youngkin avoided Trump like the plague.  Trump tried to claim victory, pathetically sending out four releases trying to ride Glenn's coattails.  Everyone knows that had he attached himself to Trump, he would have lost.  Exit polling here had Trump at 42.  It had Youngkin over 50.  

myoung321

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Kat said:

It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. 
Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. 
Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?  

Carville was spot on. Here's the article...

James Carville Says ‘Stupid Wokeness’ Costs Democrats at the Polls (msn.com)

He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”

“Some of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”

Couldn't agree more.  The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness.  It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country.  It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.

It might be helping build the radical right, but what it's definitely doing is turning off people from the Democratic Party. Whether those turned-off people join the GOP or vote republican in presidential and senate races around the country remain to be seen. But the Virginia governor race isn't a good sign for the Dems. 

Ya know, when I watched the George Floyd killing, like anybody, I thought it was terrible and (stupidly) felt this would be a coming-together moment for the country. And within days, it turned into "white people are evil." 

People that support the woke agenda want history taught as it was. That's fine. If they want chapter one of an American History textbook to depict white Europeans invading the jungles of West Africa and enslaving the natives, have at it, because that really happened. But don't be teaching that in 2021, whites are oppressors and blacks are oppressed.

And enough with the propaganda. Did you see Colin Kaepernick's Netflix thing that compared the NFL combine to a slave auction? It's fucking insulting to the slaves! Those were real people that suffered. You can't on one hand want to teach history (1619 project, CRT, etc.) and on the other hand, weaponize it with dangerous, manipulative propaganda. Sorry, but the white guy that might be the boss at your job is not tantamount to a slave owner. 

First bolded...When did anyone with influence in the democratic party or the left in general ever suggest this..I heard this on am radio and fox but not from any actual dem or leftist influential types.

2nd bolded...I though the case was that white people are benefitting from a long history of whiteness and oppressing of Blacks and minorities, not that they are as a whole actually consciously oppressing anyone.  Again this is not a point I have seen suggested by Dems, left media or leftists.  In general the case can be made that the prevailing culture of whiteness is oppressive to minorities, but I am not seeing anyone suggesting that all of us white people are out and out running around oppressing people.  I guess nuance has been lost.

Well yeah nobody comes out and says verbatim “white peoples are evil,” but just like there’s dog whistling on the right, there’s dog whistling on the left. 

what are you talking about?   So no white people of the left? White progressives think they themselves are evil?  This makes little sense..  

Saying that blacks or people of color have had a more difficult time in our countrys history isn't saying all white people are evil.. Like drug or alcohol addition...to get over it you just admit you have a problem.. We have a problem!  

myoung321

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA.  This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump.  Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it.  Not one commercial or rally on those topics.  He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history.  He stayed on kitchen table issues.  He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying). 

You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you.  He ran a bad campaign.  It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in.  It was very poorly done.  The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry.  And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football.  Literally.  

So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue.  But it goes further than just that.  It was a bad campaign. 

This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.

Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again. 

Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..  

v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me.  Big difference.  
 

Big Difference?   The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference? 

<h3>&nbsp;</h3><h1><b>Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 Months</b>&nbsp;</h1>

Oct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months 

On a political side...  Biden, Pelosi, and Fauci all said there will never be mandates, its a choice...then a year later we're getting mandates will not fly well in the coming elections...  

mrussel1

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA.  This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump.  Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it.  Not one commercial or rally on those topics.  He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history.  He stayed on kitchen table issues.  He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying). 

You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you.  He ran a bad campaign.  It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in.  It was very poorly done.  The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry.  And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football.  Literally.  

So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue.  But it goes further than just that.  It was a bad campaign. 

This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.

Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again. 

Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..  

v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me.  Big difference.  
 

Big Difference?   The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference? 

<h3>&nbsp;</h3><h1><b>Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 Months</b>&nbsp;</h1>

Oct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months 

Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it.  However, you have to catch it to spread the disease.  Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH.  It's pretty simple math.  And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters.  And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops.  This isn't new or rocket science here.  

Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people"  These are all so scary.  I can't believe I got the vaccine.  

myoung321

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA.  This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump.  Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it.  Not one commercial or rally on those topics.  He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history.  He stayed on kitchen table issues.  He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying). 

You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you.  He ran a bad campaign.  It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in.  It was very poorly done.  The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry.  And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football.  Literally.  

So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue.  But it goes further than just that.  It was a bad campaign. 

This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.

Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again. 

Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..  

v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me.  Big difference.  
 

Big Difference?   The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference? 

<h3>&nbsp;</h3><h1><b>Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 Months</b>&nbsp;</h1>

Oct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months 

Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it.  However, you have to catch it to spread the disease.  Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH.  It's pretty simple math.  And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters.  And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops.  This isn't new or rocket science here.  

Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people"  These are all so scary.  I can't believe I got the vaccine.  

90% immunity? I wish.....     I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES?  Every Day...its reported that so and so gets Covid even through they are vaxxed...  

I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months

I don't want to get into the vaccine debate... I just believe that if you want to continue to call this the "Freest Country on Earth" then you can't have medical MANDATES... btw I am vaccinated... 

Ledbetterman10

myoung321 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Kat said:

It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. 
Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. 
Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?  

Carville was spot on. Here's the article...

James Carville Says ‘Stupid Wokeness’ Costs Democrats at the Polls (msn.com)

He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”

“Some of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”

Couldn't agree more.  The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness.  It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country.  It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.

It might be helping build the radical right, but what it's definitely doing is turning off people from the Democratic Party. Whether those turned-off people join the GOP or vote republican in presidential and senate races around the country remain to be seen. But the Virginia governor race isn't a good sign for the Dems. 

Ya know, when I watched the George Floyd killing, like anybody, I thought it was terrible and (stupidly) felt this would be a coming-together moment for the country. And within days, it turned into "white people are evil." 

People that support the woke agenda want history taught as it was. That's fine. If they want chapter one of an American History textbook to depict white Europeans invading the jungles of West Africa and enslaving the natives, have at it, because that really happened. But don't be teaching that in 2021, whites are oppressors and blacks are oppressed.

And enough with the propaganda. Did you see Colin Kaepernick's Netflix thing that compared the NFL combine to a slave auction? It's fucking insulting to the slaves! Those were real people that suffered. You can't on one hand want to teach history (1619 project, CRT, etc.) and on the other hand, weaponize it with dangerous, manipulative propaganda. Sorry, but the white guy that might be the boss at your job is not tantamount to a slave owner. 

First bolded...When did anyone with influence in the democratic party or the left in general ever suggest this..I heard this on am radio and fox but not from any actual dem or leftist influential types.

2nd bolded...I though the case was that white people are benefitting from a long history of whiteness and oppressing of Blacks and minorities, not that they are as a whole actually consciously oppressing anyone.  Again this is not a point I have seen suggested by Dems, left media or leftists.  In general the case can be made that the prevailing culture of whiteness is oppressive to minorities, but I am not seeing anyone suggesting that all of us white people are out and out running around oppressing people.  I guess nuance has been lost.

Well yeah nobody comes out and says verbatim “white peoples are evil,” but just like there’s dog whistling on the right, there’s dog whistling on the left. 

what are you talking about?   So no white people of the left? White progressives think they themselves are evil?  This makes little sense..  

Saying that blacks or people of color have had a more difficult time in our countrys history isn't saying all white people are evil.. Like drug or alcohol addition...to get over it you just admit you have a problem.. We have a problem!  

You haven’t noticed a wave of “white guilt” over the past year and a half on the left? Or suggesting that everything is white supremacy? Including but not limited to voter ID laws, being against illegal immigration, and voting for a republican for governor of Virginia?

mrussel1

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA.  This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump.  Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it.  Not one commercial or rally on those topics.  He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history.  He stayed on kitchen table issues.  He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying). 

You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you.  He ran a bad campaign.  It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in.  It was very poorly done.  The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry.  And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football.  Literally.  

So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue.  But it goes further than just that.  It was a bad campaign. 

This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.

Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again. 

Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..  

v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me.  Big difference.  
 

Big Difference?   The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference? 

<h3>&nbsp;</h3><h1><b>Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 Months</b>&nbsp;</h1>

Oct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months 

Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it.  However, you have to catch it to spread the disease.  Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH.  It's pretty simple math.  And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters.  And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops.  This isn't new or rocket science here.  

Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people"  These are all so scary.  I can't believe I got the vaccine.  

90% immunity? I wish.....     I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES? 

I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months

That was the clinical study numbers of PHizer for the Alpha strain.  We are now on delta strain and the number is lower, but it's still in the 70's to start.  Second, the article was ONLY about Phizer.  

And if the alpha is 90 at peak, as an example, and wanes into the 60's which has been documented, then you are going to see plenty of cases.  But at either number, your chance of spreading the disease is far less likely than if you are not vaxxed.  Surely you can see how having a say.. 70% immunity response is better for public health than having a 0% immunity response.  

Either way, the point I made stands.  You can't argue that COVID isn't a public health crisis.  750k dead is a crisis.  Abortion is a personal issue.  A woman's choice to keep or abort a baby, and you don't know the woman, has no effect on you personally.  

myoung321

Ledbetterman10 said:

myoung321 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Kat said:

It was not directed at any one person. Just trying to keep the peace and spread some love. 
Did you watch what Rachel Maddow said about the election trend with VA and NJ? She found some better news for Dems. 
Then there's the James Carville comment about being woke that I haven't looked into yet...we could discuss that stuff. You decide which thread, ok?  

Carville was spot on. Here's the article...

James Carville Says ‘Stupid Wokeness’ Costs Democrats at the Polls (msn.com)

He went on, saying that what he sees as wokeness “has a suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats.”

“Some of these people need to go to a ‘woke’ detox center or something,” he said. “They’re expressing a language that people just don’t use and there’s backlash and a frustration at that.”

Couldn't agree more.  The whole "woke" attitude simply reeks of arrogant self-righteousness.  It' a major turn-off to the average moderate thinking person and an insult to people sincerely trying to make positive progressive change happen in this country.  It's the kind of attitude that is helping build the radical right.

It might be helping build the radical right, but what it's definitely doing is turning off people from the Democratic Party. Whether those turned-off people join the GOP or vote republican in presidential and senate races around the country remain to be seen. But the Virginia governor race isn't a good sign for the Dems. 

Ya know, when I watched the George Floyd killing, like anybody, I thought it was terrible and (stupidly) felt this would be a coming-together moment for the country. And within days, it turned into "white people are evil." 

People that support the woke agenda want history taught as it was. That's fine. If they want chapter one of an American History textbook to depict white Europeans invading the jungles of West Africa and enslaving the natives, have at it, because that really happened. But don't be teaching that in 2021, whites are oppressors and blacks are oppressed.

And enough with the propaganda. Did you see Colin Kaepernick's Netflix thing that compared the NFL combine to a slave auction? It's fucking insulting to the slaves! Those were real people that suffered. You can't on one hand want to teach history (1619 project, CRT, etc.) and on the other hand, weaponize it with dangerous, manipulative propaganda. Sorry, but the white guy that might be the boss at your job is not tantamount to a slave owner. 

First bolded...When did anyone with influence in the democratic party or the left in general ever suggest this..I heard this on am radio and fox but not from any actual dem or leftist influential types.

2nd bolded...I though the case was that white people are benefitting from a long history of whiteness and oppressing of Blacks and minorities, not that they are as a whole actually consciously oppressing anyone.  Again this is not a point I have seen suggested by Dems, left media or leftists.  In general the case can be made that the prevailing culture of whiteness is oppressive to minorities, but I am not seeing anyone suggesting that all of us white people are out and out running around oppressing people.  I guess nuance has been lost.

Well yeah nobody comes out and says verbatim “white peoples are evil,” but just like there’s dog whistling on the right, there’s dog whistling on the left. 

what are you talking about?   So no white people of the left? White progressives think they themselves are evil?  This makes little sense..  

Saying that blacks or people of color have had a more difficult time in our countrys history isn't saying all white people are evil.. Like drug or alcohol addition...to get over it you just admit you have a problem.. We have a problem!  

You haven’t noticed a wave of “white guilt” over the past year and a half on the left? Or suggesting that everything is white supremacy? Including but not limited to voter ID laws, being against illegal immigration, and voting for a republican for governor of Virginia?

No I haven't... I see the Right and Fox News, CNN, MSNBC..etc... saying it's happening...like the evil caravans from Mexico coming to take our jobs...or is it the Russians???. more Fear... BOOOOO

BTW- I'm white and have no guilt.  If some of my ancestors did stupid crap then I can't change that... but I won't ignore the fact that it happened.. 

Not one person has ever came up to me and said anything that sounded like "guilt shaming for my skin color"... 

myoung321

mrussel1 said:

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myoung321 said:

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Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA.  This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump.  Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it.  Not one commercial or rally on those topics.  He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history.  He stayed on kitchen table issues.  He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying). 

You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you.  He ran a bad campaign.  It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in.  It was very poorly done.  The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry.  And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football.  Literally.  

So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue.  But it goes further than just that.  It was a bad campaign. 

This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.

Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again. 

Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..  

v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me.  Big difference.  
 

Big Difference?   The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference? 

<h3>&nbsp;</h3><h1><b>Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 Months</b>&nbsp;</h1>

Oct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months 

Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it.  However, you have to catch it to spread the disease.  Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH.  It's pretty simple math.  And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters.  And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops.  This isn't new or rocket science here.  

Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people"  These are all so scary.  I can't believe I got the vaccine.  

90% immunity? I wish.....     I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES? 

I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months

That was the clinical study numbers of PHizer for the Alpha strain.  We are now on delta strain and the number is lower, but it's still in the 70's to start.  Second, the article was ONLY about Phizer.  

And if the alpha is 90 at peak, as an example, and wanes into the 60's which has been documented, then you are going to see plenty of cases.  But at either number, your chance of spreading the disease is far less likely than if you are not vaxxed.  Surely you can see how having a say.. 70% immunity response is better for public health than having a 0% immunity response.  

Either way, the point I made stands.  You can't argue that COVID isn't a public health crisis.  750k dead is a crisis.  Abortion is a personal issue.  A woman's choice to keep or abort a baby, and you don't know the woman, has no effect on you personally.  

 Unvaxxed are have 0% immunity?? really......hmmm...So those the have had the virus and have natural antibodies have 0% immunity? and they should be Mandated for ..what did you say... Public Health?  So we should just ignore this part of the Science for Public Health?

How is it you simply can't see why Mandates are as Unamerican as it gets?... period. and please don't accuse me of being a Trumper or Anti-Vaxxer... I'm neither.. I'm anti-Mandates. 

Just amazes me how much trust is put in Big Pharma, especially after the Opioid lies... OxyContin is only addictive to 1% of people..RIGHT? haha

mrussel1

myoung321 said:

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myoung321 said:

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myoung321 said:

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mrussel1 said:

Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA.  This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump.  Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it.  Not one commercial or rally on those topics.  He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history.  He stayed on kitchen table issues.  He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying). 

You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you.  He ran a bad campaign.  It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in.  It was very poorly done.  The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry.  And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football.  Literally.  

So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue.  But it goes further than just that.  It was a bad campaign. 

This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.

Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again. 

Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..  

v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me.  Big difference.  
 

Big Difference?   The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference? 

<h3>&nbsp;</h3><h1><b>Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 Months</b>&nbsp;</h1>

Oct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months 

Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it.  However, you have to catch it to spread the disease.  Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH.  It's pretty simple math.  And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters.  And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops.  This isn't new or rocket science here.  

Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people"  These are all so scary.  I can't believe I got the vaccine.  

90% immunity? I wish.....     I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES? 

I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months

That was the clinical study numbers of PHizer for the Alpha strain.  We are now on delta strain and the number is lower, but it's still in the 70's to start.  Second, the article was ONLY about Phizer.  

And if the alpha is 90 at peak, as an example, and wanes into the 60's which has been documented, then you are going to see plenty of cases.  But at either number, your chance of spreading the disease is far less likely than if you are not vaxxed.  Surely you can see how having a say.. 70% immunity response is better for public health than having a 0% immunity response.  

Either way, the point I made stands.  You can't argue that COVID isn't a public health crisis.  750k dead is a crisis.  Abortion is a personal issue.  A woman's choice to keep or abort a baby, and you don't know the woman, has no effect on you personally.  

 Unvaxxed are have 0% immunity?? really......hmmm...So those the have had the virus and have natural antibodies have 0% immunity? and they should be Mandated for ..what did you say... Public Health?  So we should just ignore this part of the Science for Public Health?

How is it you simply can't see why Mandates are as Unamerican as it gets?... period. and please don't accuse me of being a Trumper or Anti-Vaxxer... I'm neither.. I'm anti-Mandates. 

Just amazes me how much trust is put in Big Pharma, especially after the Opioid lies... OxyContin is only addictive to 1% of people..RIGHT? haha

Yes, you're correct.  Someone that is post COVID has some immunity.  That wasn't really the point.  And how can you say that mandates are un-American.  Every one of my children had mandated vaccines to attend public schools.  Every soldier must meet mandated vaccines to join the service.  In what world do you live and can say that mandates don't exist in this country.  

And last, there's no law that says you have to get vaccinated.  Don't work.  Or work for a company with less than 100 employees.  Then you don't need to get vaccinated or get tested.  Pretty simple. 

myoung321

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA.  This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump.  Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it.  Not one commercial or rally on those topics.  He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history.  He stayed on kitchen table issues.  He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying). 

You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you.  He ran a bad campaign.  It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in.  It was very poorly done.  The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry.  And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football.  Literally.  

So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue.  But it goes further than just that.  It was a bad campaign. 

This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.

Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again. 

Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..  

v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me.  Big difference.  
 

Big Difference?   The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference? 

<h3>&nbsp;</h3><h1><b>Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 Months</b>&nbsp;</h1>

Oct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months 

Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it.  However, you have to catch it to spread the disease.  Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH.  It's pretty simple math.  And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters.  And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops.  This isn't new or rocket science here.  

Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people"  These are all so scary.  I can't believe I got the vaccine.  

90% immunity? I wish.....     I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES? 

I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months

That was the clinical study numbers of PHizer for the Alpha strain.  We are now on delta strain and the number is lower, but it's still in the 70's to start.  Second, the article was ONLY about Phizer.  

And if the alpha is 90 at peak, as an example, and wanes into the 60's which has been documented, then you are going to see plenty of cases.  But at either number, your chance of spreading the disease is far less likely than if you are not vaxxed.  Surely you can see how having a say.. 70% immunity response is better for public health than having a 0% immunity response.  

Either way, the point I made stands.  You can't argue that COVID isn't a public health crisis.  750k dead is a crisis.  Abortion is a personal issue.  A woman's choice to keep or abort a baby, and you don't know the woman, has no effect on you personally.  

 Unvaxxed are have 0% immunity?? really......hmmm...So those the have had the virus and have natural antibodies have 0% immunity? and they should be Mandated for ..what did you say... Public Health?  So we should just ignore this part of the Science for Public Health?

How is it you simply can't see why Mandates are as Unamerican as it gets?... period. and please don't accuse me of being a Trumper or Anti-Vaxxer... I'm neither.. I'm anti-Mandates. 

Just amazes me how much trust is put in Big Pharma, especially after the Opioid lies... OxyContin is only addictive to 1% of people..RIGHT? haha

Yes, you're correct.  Someone that is post COVID has some immunity.  That wasn't really the point.  And how can you say that mandates are un-American.  Every one of my children had mandated vaccines to attend public schools.  Every soldier must meet mandated vaccines to join the service.  In what world do you live and can say that mandates don't exist in this country.  

And last, there's no law that says you have to get vaccinated.  Don't work.  Or work for a company with less than 100 employees.  Then you don't need to get vaccinated or get tested.  Pretty simple. 

 That was the point.. you implied 0% immunity of the unvaxxed ............Too bad the Covid vaccine doesn't work like those given to kids for public school. Do some people still get Polio or Small Pox? NO.. why? Because the vaccine actually work to create long term protection..  Those vaccines have been proven over time extremely affective and safe.. This one has not...We are in a huge clinical trial as we speak. 

Soldiers have no choice.. You sign your rights away when you join...such as the right of free speech (at the very least, it could be called insubordination, even sedition; try telling a First Sergeant that physical training every day before dawn is wrong), freedom of assembly to address grievances or to protest (could be interpreted as mutiny), freedom from search or seizure

mrussel1

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

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myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA.  This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump.  Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it.  Not one commercial or rally on those topics.  He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history.  He stayed on kitchen table issues.  He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying). 

You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you.  He ran a bad campaign.  It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in.  It was very poorly done.  The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry.  And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football.  Literally.  

So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue.  But it goes further than just that.  It was a bad campaign. 

This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.

Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again. 

Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..  

v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me.  Big difference.  
 

Big Difference?   The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference? 

<h3>&nbsp;</h3><h1><b>Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 Months</b>&nbsp;</h1>

Oct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months 

Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it.  However, you have to catch it to spread the disease.  Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH.  It's pretty simple math.  And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters.  And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops.  This isn't new or rocket science here.  

Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people"  These are all so scary.  I can't believe I got the vaccine.  

90% immunity? I wish.....     I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES? 

I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months

That was the clinical study numbers of PHizer for the Alpha strain.  We are now on delta strain and the number is lower, but it's still in the 70's to start.  Second, the article was ONLY about Phizer.  

And if the alpha is 90 at peak, as an example, and wanes into the 60's which has been documented, then you are going to see plenty of cases.  But at either number, your chance of spreading the disease is far less likely than if you are not vaxxed.  Surely you can see how having a say.. 70% immunity response is better for public health than having a 0% immunity response.  

Either way, the point I made stands.  You can't argue that COVID isn't a public health crisis.  750k dead is a crisis.  Abortion is a personal issue.  A woman's choice to keep or abort a baby, and you don't know the woman, has no effect on you personally.  

 Unvaxxed are have 0% immunity?? really......hmmm...So those the have had the virus and have natural antibodies have 0% immunity? and they should be Mandated for ..what did you say... Public Health?  So we should just ignore this part of the Science for Public Health?

How is it you simply can't see why Mandates are as Unamerican as it gets?... period. and please don't accuse me of being a Trumper or Anti-Vaxxer... I'm neither.. I'm anti-Mandates. 

Just amazes me how much trust is put in Big Pharma, especially after the Opioid lies... OxyContin is only addictive to 1% of people..RIGHT? haha

Yes, you're correct.  Someone that is post COVID has some immunity.  That wasn't really the point.  And how can you say that mandates are un-American.  Every one of my children had mandated vaccines to attend public schools.  Every soldier must meet mandated vaccines to join the service.  In what world do you live and can say that mandates don't exist in this country.  

And last, there's no law that says you have to get vaccinated.  Don't work.  Or work for a company with less than 100 employees.  Then you don't need to get vaccinated or get tested.  Pretty simple. 

 That was the point.. you implied 0% immunity of the unvaxxed ............Too bad the Covid vaccine doesn't work like those given to kids for public school. Do some people still get Polio or Small Pox? NO.. why? Because the vaccine actually work to create long term protection..  Those vaccines have been proven over time extremely affective and safe.. This one has not...We are in a huge clinical trial as we speak. 

Soldiers have no choice.. You sign your rights away when you join...such as the right of free speech (at the very least, it could be called insubordination, even sedition; try telling a First Sergeant that physical training every day before dawn is wrong), freedom of assembly to address grievances or to protest (could be interpreted as mutiny), freedom from search or seizure

First, I wasn't thinking about COVID survivors.  So fine, they have some immunity.  Do you think unvaxed, not COVID have some natural immunity?  Those were the people I was speaking of.  

Second, neither teh polio nor the smallpox vaccine are 100% effective.  95% effective + herd immunity = eradication.  Oh and btw, anti-vaxxer idiots in CA and OR have been successful in creating new outbreaks of the Measles (which is 93% effective, not 100%).  

Third, why didn't you address my point about public schools?  Although it's good to see that you understand that not all rights are unlimited, as the SCOTUS has ruled multiple times.  

The point stands, that mandates are not "Un-American".  They exist and have existed if you want to fully participate in society.  You can go be a hermit, home school your kids, do whatever the hell you want if you don't want to get vaxxed.  But if you want to participate, there are rules.  This is not an "un-American" one.  That's purely your opinion, and one that is contradicted by fully observable parts of society.  And again.. with the OSHA rules, you can get tested.  Knock yourself out. 

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

myoung321 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ya'll don't understand what happened here in VA.  This is a centrist state and the center has been repulsed by Trump.  Youngkin didn't talk about guns, abortion, the border, China... none of it.  Not one commercial or rally on those topics.  He promised to pass the largest education budget in our history.  He stayed on kitchen table issues.  He also promised to repeal the grocery tax (which is fucking annoying). 

You can ask me what Terry's key issue was.. I honestly couldn't tell you.  He ran a bad campaign.  It was lethargic and it felt like he was phoning it in.  It was very poorly done.  The result is that independents when from +19 Biden to -9 Terry.  And it didn't help that Terry said something stupid about parents and what is taught.. and that turned into a commercial I saw 50x while watching football.  Literally.  

So it wasn't necessarily wokeness, but they made education (and CRT) an issue.  But it goes further than just that.  It was a bad campaign. 

This will happen again and again across the country, especially now they know its a winning strategy.

Simply saying Biden or the Dems are the "better of two evils" isn't going to cut it again. 

Also...these Covid Mandates will sink the Democrats in mid-terms and for President... The party that has always been Pro-Choice is now the party of Medical Mandates? No hypocrisy here folks.. keep it moving..  

v You can choose not to get vaxxed, just don't come around me.  Big difference.  
 

Big Difference?   The vaccine does NOT prevent you from shedding the virus and spreading it to others. If it worked like other vaccines then that would be true..The latest studies are showing declining protection after a few months.. so where's the Big Difference? 

<h3>&nbsp;</h3><h1><b>Pfizer’s Vaccine Protection May Wane After 2 Months</b>&nbsp;</h1>

Oct 8, 2021 — For some people who got the vaccine, protection dropped as low as 20% between 5 and 7 months after the second dose.

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months 

Yes, you can spread the disease if you catch it.  However, you have to catch it to spread the disease.  Therefore if you have a 90% immunity in M2 that drops over time, you are still less likely to spread something that YOU DID NOT CATCH.  It's pretty simple math.  And yes, it drops but that's why there are boosters.  And that's why the CDC recommends an influenza shot yearly as well, because immunity drops.  This isn't new or rocket science here.  

Oh and nice use of conditionals all over that article.. "may, could, as low as, some people"  These are all so scary.  I can't believe I got the vaccine.  

90% immunity? I wish.....     I read every day about "Break Through" cases.... When are they just going to be called CASES? 

I copied the article of the study on WebMD... not Trump .com

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211008/pfizer-vaccine-protection-may-wane-after-2-months

That was the clinical study numbers of PHizer for the Alpha strain.  We are now on delta strain and the number is lower, but it's still in the 70's to start.  Second, the article was ONLY about Phizer.  

And if the alpha is 90 at peak, as an example, and wanes into the 60's which has been documented, then you are going to see plenty of cases.  But at either number, your chance of spreading the disease is far less likely than if you are not vaxxed.  Surely you can see how having a say.. 70% immunity response is better for public health than having a 0% immunity response.  

Either way, the point I made stands.  You can't argue that COVID isn't a public health crisis.  750k dead is a crisis.  Abortion is a personal issue.  A woman's choice to keep or abort a baby, and you don't know the woman, has no effect on you personally.  

 Unvaxxed are have 0% immunity?? really......hmmm...So those the have had the virus and have natural antibodies have 0% immunity? and they should be Mandated for ..what did you say... Public Health?  So we should just ignore this part of the Science for Public Health?

How is it you simply can't see why Mandates are as Unamerican as it gets?... period. and please don't accuse me of being a Trumper or Anti-Vaxxer... I'm neither.. I'm anti-Mandates. 

Just amazes me how much trust is put in Big Pharma, especially after the Opioid lies... OxyContin is only addictive to 1% of people..RIGHT? haha

Yes, you're correct.  Someone that is post COVID has some immunity.  That wasn't really the point.  And how can you say that mandates are un-American.  Every one of my children had mandated vaccines to attend public schools.  Every soldier must meet mandated vaccines to join the service.  In what world do you live and can say that mandates don't exist in this country.  

And last, there's no law that says you have to get vaccinated.  Don't work.  Or work for a company with less than 100 employees.  Then you don't need to get vaccinated or get tested.  Pretty simple. 

 That was the point.. you implied 0% immunity of the unvaxxed ............Too bad the Covid vaccine doesn't work like those given to kids for public school. Do some people still get Polio or Small Pox? NO.. why? Because the vaccine actually work to create long term protection..  Those vaccines have been proven over time extremely affective and safe.. This one has not...We are in a huge clinical trial as we speak. 

Soldiers have no choice.. You sign your rights away when you join...such as the right of free speech (at the very least, it could be called insubordination, even sedition; try telling a First Sergeant that physical training every day before dawn is wrong), freedom of assembly to address grievances or to protest (could be interpreted as mutiny), freedom from search or seizure

First, I wasn't thinking about COVID survivors.  So fine, they have some immunity.  Do you think unvaxed, not COVID have some natural immunity?  Those were the people I was speaking of.  

Second, neither teh polio nor the smallpox vaccine are 100% effective.  95% effective + herd immunity = eradication.  Oh and btw, anti-vaxxer idiots in CA and OR have been successful in creating new outbreaks of the Measles (which is 93% effective, not 100%).  

Third, why didn't you address my point about public schools?  Although it's good to see that you understand that not all rights are unlimited, as the SCOTUS has ruled multiple times.  

The point stands, that mandates are not "Un-American".  They exist and have existed if you want to fully participate in society.  You can go be a hermit, home school your kids, do whatever the hell you want if you don't want to get vaxxed.  But if you want to participate, there are rules.  This is not an "un-American" one.  That's purely your opinion, and one that is contradicted by fully observable parts of society.  And again.. with the OSHA rules, you can get tested.  Knock yourself out. 

Everyone has the freedumb to move to Aloneistan, otherwise known as Idaho.

Weston1283

I live in VA and consider myself a moderate.  Voted for Biden in November but voted for Youngkin for GOV.  Trump was the worst thing to ever happen so Biden was a no brainer 

Why did I vote for Youngkin?  Honestly, I haven’t kept up on every single belief and view of each candidate.  What I do know is every day I spent 12-14 hours running my practice which is a 5 employee office, and it takes up 80% of my time. The only issue I can think about or have time to think about is my small business and my employees in a post pandemic state.  

It’s not that I don’t care about social issues, and while it may be selfish to say, the economy and my business is literally my livelihood and I felt that Youngkin would keep me afloat more than Terry would have.  I start all of my staff at 20$ an hour with paid holidays and some benefits.  And I can promise you that not all doctors make as much as you think.  It’s not a bad living by any means, but I think you would be shocked to see how little the margins can be for some physicians compared to what the general public thinks.  Maybe not the cardiologist who has been downtown for 30 years, but for the podiatrist who is 6 months into trail blazing a private practice because no one was hiring during Covid?  Yeah, it’s a little rough. 

Additionally, our VPN which links us to our EMR was hacked by A Russian ransomware group over the weekend, which has been a huge blow for us this week, and there is no timeline to have this resolved.

Also, I can’t think of one thing Biden has done in the last 10 months to change my situation or help me as a business owner.  I certainly know I haven’t seen a dime of that student loan forgiveness, and my payments increase by the thousands, yes thousands, next month as I start to pay back medical school loans.

So I voted for Youngkin because I care about the economy and keeping me and my employees on their feet more than anything else right now.  And I can’t help but feel that more people will feel the same over the next few years as we all rebound from the pandemic.

mrussel1

Weston1283 said:

I live in VA and consider myself a moderate.  Voted for Biden in November but voted for Youngkin for GOV.  Trump was the worst thing to ever happen so Biden was a no brainer 

Why did I vote for Youngkin?  Honestly, I haven’t kept up on every single belief and view of each candidate.  What I do know is every day I spent 12-14 hours running my practice which is a 5 employee office, and it takes up 80% of my time. The only issue I can think about or have time to think about is my small business and my employees in a post pandemic state.  

It’s not that I don’t care about social issues, and while it may be selfish to say, the economy and my business is literally my livelihood and I felt that Youngkin would keep me afloat more than Terry would have.  I start all of my staff at 20$ an hour with paid holidays and some benefits.  And I can promise you that not all doctors make as much as you think.  It’s not a bad living by any means, but I think you would be shocked to see how little the margins can be for some physicians compared to what the general public thinks.  Maybe not the cardiologist who has been downtown for 30 years, but for the podiatrist who is 6 months into trail blazing a private practice because no one was hiring during Covid?  Yeah, it’s a little rough. 

Additionally, our VPN which links us to our EMR was hacked by A Russian ransomware group over the weekend, which has been a huge blow for us this week, and there is no timeline to have this resolved.

Also, I can’t think of one thing Biden has done in the last 10 months to change my situation or help me as a business owner.  I certainly know I haven’t seen a dime of that student loan forgiveness, and my payments increase by the thousands, yes thousands, next month as I start to pay back medical school loans.

So I voted for Youngkin because I care about the economy and keeping me and my employees on their feet more than anything else right now.  And I can’t help but feel that more people will feel the same over the next few years as we all rebound from the pandemic.

As a lifelong D I don't really worry about Youngkin too much.  I'm actually more concerned that the legislature flipped again.  That's where he crazies live.  The question is whether he will veto anything regressive they do.  

How are you enjoying our little city so far? 

Weston1283

mrussel1 said:

Weston1283 said:

I live in VA and consider myself a moderate.  Voted for Biden in November but voted for Youngkin for GOV.  Trump was the worst thing to ever happen so Biden was a no brainer 

Why did I vote for Youngkin?  Honestly, I haven’t kept up on every single belief and view of each candidate.  What I do know is every day I spent 12-14 hours running my practice which is a 5 employee office, and it takes up 80% of my time. The only issue I can think about or have time to think about is my small business and my employees in a post pandemic state.  

It’s not that I don’t care about social issues, and while it may be selfish to say, the economy and my business is literally my livelihood and I felt that Youngkin would keep me afloat more than Terry would have.  I start all of my staff at 20$ an hour with paid holidays and some benefits.  And I can promise you that not all doctors make as much as you think.  It’s not a bad living by any means, but I think you would be shocked to see how little the margins can be for some physicians compared to what the general public thinks.  Maybe not the cardiologist who has been downtown for 30 years, but for the podiatrist who is 6 months into trail blazing a private practice because no one was hiring during Covid?  Yeah, it’s a little rough. 

Additionally, our VPN which links us to our EMR was hacked by A Russian ransomware group over the weekend, which has been a huge blow for us this week, and there is no timeline to have this resolved.

Also, I can’t think of one thing Biden has done in the last 10 months to change my situation or help me as a business owner.  I certainly know I haven’t seen a dime of that student loan forgiveness, and my payments increase by the thousands, yes thousands, next month as I start to pay back medical school loans.

So I voted for Youngkin because I care about the economy and keeping me and my employees on their feet more than anything else right now.  And I can’t help but feel that more people will feel the same over the next few years as we all rebound from the pandemic.

As a lifelong D I don't really worry about Youngkin too much.  I'm actually more concerned that the legislature flipped again.  That's where he crazies live.  The question is whether he will veto anything regressive they do.  

How are you enjoying our little city so far? 

Loving it so far!  Have settled in very nicely so far

I also have to agree with your comments about the McCauliffe campaign.  I honestly have no clue what he was actually trying to do.  From my limited following of both campaigns, his was all over the place.  

The “not trump” campaign easily won me in 2020.  But Trump is gone.  There may be some folks in politics who have some of his similar horrible views, but I wont for a democrat just because “we’re not like Trump!” Is the argument.