A little overstated but sure. Adam Kinzinger has integrity. I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands.
do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
I guess it depends on what you mean by that. What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity? You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity.
But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
Because he won't win. Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win. I don't see what that had to do with integrity though.
If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
See my comment to Static. He doesn't owe anyone that. Once his term is over, his service is performed.
If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?
Sure you can call him a quitter. But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up. That's my point. He has to take care of his family first and foremost. That's what I would do.
Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically. She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.
if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
She also took on an entrenched, party backed incumbent. And she's not afraid to take on the leadership of her party. And she's being primaried. And it appears, from reading Manchin's "concerns" about spending, that she's correct in not trusting the establishment to pass the companion spending bill. Adam Kinzinger is afraid of the POOTWH wing of his party and is ceding it to them. AOC is under constant threats of death from Marjorie Three Names and the unhinged and she's taking them on. Who would you rather have in your corner? AOC was elected partly to not to be "business as usual."
He's not afraid of them. He's a realist. And he doesn't want to go through it. If he was afraid, he would not be in a position to lose because he would have towed the line.
A little overstated but sure. Adam Kinzinger has integrity. I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands.
do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
I guess it depends on what you mean by that. What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity? You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity.
But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
Because he won't win. Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win. I don't see what that had to do with integrity though.
If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
See my comment to Static. He doesn't owe anyone that. Once his term is over, his service is performed.
If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?
Sure you can call him a quitter. But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up. That's my point. He has to take care of his family first and foremost. That's what I would do.
Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically. She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.
if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
point blank is the dems need aoc more than she needs the dems. imagine if the squad broke off and formed their own party. they would cut the democratic party in half and give the gop electoral victories for the next 10 election cycles. the dems need progressives. the progressives do not need the dems.
aoc can now go back to her district and say, "see, i wanted more than what the party wanted to give you, and i refused to vote for something giving you less." it is a winning play in her district.
That's wrong. Sanders shows the clear limits of what progressives can do on their own. He couldn't beat Biden. Yes they could split the party, but then neither will win.
A little overstated but sure. Adam Kinzinger has integrity. I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands.
do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
I guess it depends on what you mean by that. What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity? You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity.
But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
Because he won't win. Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win. I don't see what that had to do with integrity though.
If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
See my comment to Static. He doesn't owe anyone that. Once his term is over, his service is performed.
If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?
Sure you can call him a quitter. But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up. That's my point. He has to take care of his family first and foremost. That's what I would do.
Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically. She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.
if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
She also took on an entrenched, party backed incumbent. And she's not afraid to take on the leadership of her party. And she's being primaried. And it appears, from reading Manchin's "concerns" about spending, that she's correct in not trusting the establishment to pass the companion spending bill. Adam Kinzinger is afraid of the POOTWH wing of his party and is ceding it to them. AOC is under constant threats of death from Marjorie Three Names and the unhinged and she's taking them on. Who would you rather have in your corner? AOC was elected partly to not to be "business as usual."
He's not afraid of them. He's a realist. And he doesn't want to go through it. If he was afraid, he would not be in a position to lose because he would have towed the line.
"Realist?" Knowing he'll get beat, not putting his family through it, or not wanting to fight for what is right? Liz Cheney is being very clear about what allowing POOTWH to hijack the party and let his whack jobs assume power means for the nation. As an Air Force reservist, I'm pretty sure he took an oath to defend the Constitution, from both foreign and domestic threats. So surrender, I guess?
A little overstated but sure. Adam Kinzinger has integrity. I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands.
do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
I guess it depends on what you mean by that. What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity? You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity.
But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
Because he won't win. Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win. I don't see what that had to do with integrity though.
If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
See my comment to Static. He doesn't owe anyone that. Once his term is over, his service is performed.
If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?
Sure you can call him a quitter. But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up. That's my point. He has to take care of his family first and foremost. That's what I would do.
Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically. She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.
if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
She also took on an entrenched, party backed incumbent. And she's not afraid to take on the leadership of her party. And she's being primaried. And it appears, from reading Manchin's "concerns" about spending, that she's correct in not trusting the establishment to pass the companion spending bill. Adam Kinzinger is afraid of the POOTWH wing of his party and is ceding it to them. AOC is under constant threats of death from Marjorie Three Names and the unhinged and she's taking them on. Who would you rather have in your corner? AOC was elected partly to not to be "business as usual."
He's not afraid of them. He's a realist. And he doesn't want to go through it. If he was afraid, he would not be in a position to lose because he would have towed the line.
"Realist?" Knowing he'll get beat, not putting his family through it, or not wanting to fight for what is right? Liz Cheney is being very clear about what allowing POOTWH to hijack the party and let his whack jobs assume power means for the nation. As an Air Force reservist, I'm pretty sure he took an oath to defend the Constitution, from both foreign and domestic threats. So surrender, I guess?
Why aren't you running in a red distinct? Put yourself out there. Don't talk about it, be about it.
A little overstated but sure. Adam Kinzinger has integrity. I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands.
do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
I guess it depends on what you mean by that. What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity? You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity.
But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
Because he won't win. Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win. I don't see what that had to do with integrity though.
If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
See my comment to Static. He doesn't owe anyone that. Once his term is over, his service is performed.
If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?
Sure you can call him a quitter. But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up. That's my point. He has to take care of his family first and foremost. That's what I would do.
Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically. She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.
if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
She also took on an entrenched, party backed incumbent. And she's not afraid to take on the leadership of her party. And she's being primaried. And it appears, from reading Manchin's "concerns" about spending, that she's correct in not trusting the establishment to pass the companion spending bill. Adam Kinzinger is afraid of the POOTWH wing of his party and is ceding it to them. AOC is under constant threats of death from Marjorie Three Names and the unhinged and she's taking them on. Who would you rather have in your corner? AOC was elected partly to not to be "business as usual."
He's not afraid of them. He's a realist. And he doesn't want to go through it. If he was afraid, he would not be in a position to lose because he would have towed the line.
"Realist?" Knowing he'll get beat, not putting his family through it, or not wanting to fight for what is right? Liz Cheney is being very clear about what allowing POOTWH to hijack the party and let his whack jobs assume power means for the nation. As an Air Force reservist, I'm pretty sure he took an oath to defend the Constitution, from both foreign and domestic threats. So surrender, I guess?
Why aren't you running in a red distinct? Put yourself out there. Don't talk about it, be about it.
Because I’m not a repub, duh. Nor am I the smartest guy in the room, despite popular belief. And ghosts. Did I mention the ghosts? He’s an incumbent holding a seat as a repub in a repub district. He strikes me as scared. Or totally fine with POOTWH taking over his party and destroying the nation.
A little overstated but sure. Adam Kinzinger has integrity. I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands.
do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
I guess it depends on what you mean by that. What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity? You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity.
But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
Because he won't win. Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win. I don't see what that had to do with integrity though.
If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
See my comment to Static. He doesn't owe anyone that. Once his term is over, his service is performed.
If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?
Sure you can call him a quitter. But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up. That's my point. He has to take care of his family first and foremost. That's what I would do.
Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically. She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.
if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
She also took on an entrenched, party backed incumbent. And she's not afraid to take on the leadership of her party. And she's being primaried. And it appears, from reading Manchin's "concerns" about spending, that she's correct in not trusting the establishment to pass the companion spending bill. Adam Kinzinger is afraid of the POOTWH wing of his party and is ceding it to them. AOC is under constant threats of death from Marjorie Three Names and the unhinged and she's taking them on. Who would you rather have in your corner? AOC was elected partly to not to be "business as usual."
He's not afraid of them. He's a realist. And he doesn't want to go through it. If he was afraid, he would not be in a position to lose because he would have towed the line.
"Realist?" Knowing he'll get beat, not putting his family through it, or not wanting to fight for what is right? Liz Cheney is being very clear about what allowing POOTWH to hijack the party and let his whack jobs assume power means for the nation. As an Air Force reservist, I'm pretty sure he took an oath to defend the Constitution, from both foreign and domestic threats. So surrender, I guess?
Why aren't you running in a red distinct? Put yourself out there. Don't talk about it, be about it.
Because I’m not a repub, duh. Nor am I the smartest guy in the room, despite popular belief. And ghosts. Did I mention the ghosts? He’s an incumbent holding a seat as a repub in a repub district. He strikes me as scared. Or totally fine with POOTWH taking over his party and destroying the nation.
Or just ready to move on with his life.
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Are we going to end up with 4 parties?
OAC Dems
Moderate Dems
Trump GOP
Lincoln Project GOP
Or just one big KAOS party?
Is anyone "home"?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
OK, lets pretend it's so. What do the midterms look like? And the 2024?
Hey now, I was just quoting a famous Smart line. There's no way the parties break up. You have to win majority of EC otherwise the House decides. That system alone pushes us to two party, big tents. Otherwise we would have some weird, hybrid parliamentary system.
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A little overstated but sure. Adam Kinzinger has integrity. I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands.
do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
I guess it depends on what you mean by that. What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity? You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity.
But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
Because he won't win. Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win. I don't see what that had to do with integrity though.
If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
See my comment to Static. He doesn't owe anyone that. Once his term is over, his service is performed.
If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?
Sure you can call him a quitter. But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up. That's my point. He has to take care of his family first and foremost. That's what I would do.
Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically. She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.
if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
point blank is the dems need aoc more than she needs the dems. imagine if the squad broke off and formed their own party. they would cut the democratic party in half and give the gop electoral victories for the next 10 election cycles. the dems need progressives. the progressives do not need the dems.
aoc can now go back to her district and say, "see, i wanted more than what the party wanted to give you, and i refused to vote for something giving you less." it is a winning play in her district.
that’s exactly right, she was thinking of herself, focused on the short term and damaged her president and her party. She got aggressive while forgetting how to count to 50 nor understanding how strong her adversary was from WV. Dems carry her district no matter what so her appealing to her district does zero to get what she wants - changing the country from center right to center left and flourishing with new progressive laws. Only changing minds across America can accomplish that.
so how smart would it be for her to break off into a new party and never be part of a House majority ever again in her career? To hand the GOP the presidency for the next 40 years? Only in the insane clown party that is the democrats does power get handed to House neophytes like AOC and her squad.
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and was there a reason why the progressives backed off their hijacking of the bipartisan infrastructure deal the day after Election Day? Any guesses why AOC supporters? Hint, she got a call from someone important from his big red phone.
A little overstated but sure. Adam Kinzinger has integrity. I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands.
do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
I guess it depends on what you mean by that. What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity? You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity.
But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
Because he won't win. Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win. I don't see what that had to do with integrity though.
If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
See my comment to Static. He doesn't owe anyone that. Once his term is over, his service is performed.
If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?
Sure you can call him a quitter. But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up. That's my point. He has to take care of his family first and foremost. That's what I would do.
Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically. She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.
if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
point blank is the dems need aoc more than she needs the dems. imagine if the squad broke off and formed their own party. they would cut the democratic party in half and give the gop electoral victories for the next 10 election cycles. the dems need progressives. the progressives do not need the dems.
aoc can now go back to her district and say, "see, i wanted more than what the party wanted to give you, and i refused to vote for something giving you less." it is a winning play in her district.
that’s exactly right, she was thinking of herself, focused on the short term and damaged her president and her party. She got aggressive while forgetting how to count to 50 nor understanding how strong her adversary was from WV. Dems carry her district no matter what so her appealing to her district does zero to get what she wants - changing the country from center right to center left and flourishing with new progressive laws. Only changing minds across America can accomplish that.
so how smart would it be for her to break off into a new party and never be part of a House majority ever again in her career? To hand the GOP the presidency for the next 40 years? Only in the insane clown party that is the democrats does power get handed to House neophytes like AOC and her squad.
Except Nancy has kept AOC in check. While loud, the squad doesn’t control the party. And her justification for her vote appears to be holding true. Integrity. See the difference between AOC and Kinzinger? Agreed with POOTWH 90% of the time, helping to create the monster and when faced with doing the right thing, quit. Some integrity there.
It’ll be repubs who usher in 40 years of repub presidencies because y’all be living under a dictatorship in 4 years.
A little overstated but sure. Adam Kinzinger has integrity. I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands.
do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
I guess it depends on what you mean by that. What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity? You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity.
But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
Because he won't win. Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win. I don't see what that had to do with integrity though.
If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
See my comment to Static. He doesn't owe anyone that. Once his term is over, his service is performed.
If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?
Sure you can call him a quitter. But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up. That's my point. He has to take care of his family first and foremost. That's what I would do.
Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically. She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.
if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
She also took on an entrenched, party backed incumbent. And she's not afraid to take on the leadership of her party. And she's being primaried. And it appears, from reading Manchin's "concerns" about spending, that she's correct in not trusting the establishment to pass the companion spending bill. Adam Kinzinger is afraid of the POOTWH wing of his party and is ceding it to them. AOC is under constant threats of death from Marjorie Three Names and the unhinged and she's taking them on. Who would you rather have in your corner? AOC was elected partly to not to be "business as usual."
He's not afraid of them. He's a realist. And he doesn't want to go through it. If he was afraid, he would not be in a position to lose because he would have towed the line.
"Realist?" Knowing he'll get beat, not putting his family through it, or not wanting to fight for what is right? Liz Cheney is being very clear about what allowing POOTWH to hijack the party and let his whack jobs assume power means for the nation. As an Air Force reservist, I'm pretty sure he took an oath to defend the Constitution, from both foreign and domestic threats. So surrender, I guess?
BTW there is no “POOTAH wing” of the Republican Party, there is only the POOTAH Party. One of many reasons trying to compare Kinzinger with Dems is kinda silly. Maybe Cheney can prove me wrong, hope so, but she has pedigree republican blood that most do not have.
A little overstated but sure. Adam Kinzinger has integrity. I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands.
do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
I guess it depends on what you mean by that. What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity? You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity.
But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
Because he won't win. Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win. I don't see what that had to do with integrity though.
If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
See my comment to Static. He doesn't owe anyone that. Once his term is over, his service is performed.
If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?
Sure you can call him a quitter. But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up. That's my point. He has to take care of his family first and foremost. That's what I would do.
Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically. She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.
if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
She also took on an entrenched, party backed incumbent. And she's not afraid to take on the leadership of her party. And she's being primaried. And it appears, from reading Manchin's "concerns" about spending, that she's correct in not trusting the establishment to pass the companion spending bill. Adam Kinzinger is afraid of the POOTWH wing of his party and is ceding it to them. AOC is under constant threats of death from Marjorie Three Names and the unhinged and she's taking them on. Who would you rather have in your corner? AOC was elected partly to not to be "business as usual."
He's not afraid of them. He's a realist. And he doesn't want to go through it. If he was afraid, he would not be in a position to lose because he would have towed the line.
"Realist?" Knowing he'll get beat, not putting his family through it, or not wanting to fight for what is right? Liz Cheney is being very clear about what allowing POOTWH to hijack the party and let his whack jobs assume power means for the nation. As an Air Force reservist, I'm pretty sure he took an oath to defend the Constitution, from both foreign and domestic threats. So surrender, I guess?
BTW there is no “POOTAH wing” of the Republican Party, there is only the POOTAH Party. One of many reasons trying to compare Kinzinger with Dems is kinda silly. Maybe Cheney can prove me wrong, hope so, but she has pedigree republican blood that most do not have.
Well, in Congress there is a very small and diminishing wing of the repub party. Free the 13, Moscow Mitchy Baby, Mittens, a few others. But they, and their state counterparts, are falling like dominoes. Liz has more cajones than all of them. Moscow Mitchy Baby was just re-elected and ain’t running again, and as such, could stop the madness. But for the tape, I guess?
This is an “elected,” and I use the term “elected” lightly because, well, being from ‘Louisiana, there must have been fraud, member of Congress saying this on the steps of the capitol. Fuckers better clean up your mess, yo. But what’s up with the black hat? I thought the god squaders, do gooders, evangelicals, the south will ride againers, wore white? Silly me.
Regarding AOC and her vote, who got the “sport fishing” money and “horse traded” their vote? To give AOC “cover?” Bringing home the bacon but let’s discuss “integrity.”
Regarding AOC and her vote, who got the “sport fishing” money and “horse traded” their vote? To give AOC “cover?” Bringing home the bacon but let’s discuss “integrity.”
Regarding AOC and her vote, who got the “sport fishing” money and “horse traded” their vote? To give AOC “cover?” Bringing home the bacon but let’s discuss “integrity.”
Regarding AOC and her vote, who got the “sport fishing” money and “horse traded” their vote? To give AOC “cover?” Bringing home the bacon but let’s discuss “integrity.”
I don't understand any of this.
And aren't you the one that brought up integrity?
Read the bill.
I understand what's in the bill, but I don't understand what your point is.
I more or less don't have an issue with lawmakers ensuring their states or districts receive benefit.
Edit instead of "more or less", I should say "within reason".
A little overstated but sure. Adam Kinzinger has integrity. I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands.
do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
I guess it depends on what you mean by that. What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity? You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity.
But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
Because he won't win. Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win. I don't see what that had to do with integrity though.
If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
See my comment to Static. He doesn't owe anyone that. Once his term is over, his service is performed.
If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?
Sure you can call him a quitter. But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up. That's my point. He has to take care of his family first and foremost. That's what I would do.
Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically. She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.
if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
point blank is the dems need aoc more than she needs the dems. imagine if the squad broke off and formed their own party. they would cut the democratic party in half and give the gop electoral victories for the next 10 election cycles. the dems need progressives. the progressives do not need the dems.
aoc can now go back to her district and say, "see, i wanted more than what the party wanted to give you, and i refused to vote for something giving you less." it is a winning play in her district.
that’s exactly right, she was thinking of herself, focused on the short term and damaged her president and her party. She got aggressive while forgetting how to count to 50 nor understanding how strong her adversary was from WV. Dems carry her district no matter what so her appealing to her district does zero to get what she wants - changing the country from center right to center left and flourishing with new progressive laws. Only changing minds across America can accomplish that.
so how smart would it be for her to break off into a new party and never be part of a House majority ever again in her career? To hand the GOP the presidency for the next 40 years? Only in the insane clown party that is the democrats does power get handed to House neophytes like AOC and her squad.
Except Nancy has kept AOC in check. While loud, the squad doesn’t control the party. And her justification for her vote appears to be holding true. Integrity. See the difference between AOC and Kinzinger? Agreed with POOTWH 90% of the time, helping to create the monster and when faced with doing the right thing, quit. Some integrity there.
It’ll be repubs who usher in 40 years of repub presidencies because y’all be living under a dictatorship in 4 years.
While inevitably Pelosi was able to get the infrastructure bill passed it was only after an embarrassing Election Day for Dems. When voters went to the poll, they saws Dems as the party of infighting and stalemate, something Independents vote against regulatory.
I agree that we could be looking at a big authoritarian push in a few years, the only way to defeat that is by running an efficient govt that responds quickly and decisively about economic issues. The unfortunate fact is voters care a lot more about the price of gas than free community college and free paid leave.
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A little overstated but sure. Adam Kinzinger has integrity. I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands.
do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
I guess it depends on what you mean by that. What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity? You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity.
But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
Because he won't win. Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win. I don't see what that had to do with integrity though.
If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
See my comment to Static. He doesn't owe anyone that. Once his term is over, his service is performed.
If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?
Sure you can call him a quitter. But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up. That's my point. He has to take care of his family first and foremost. That's what I would do.
Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically. She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.
if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
point blank is the dems need aoc more than she needs the dems. imagine if the squad broke off and formed their own party. they would cut the democratic party in half and give the gop electoral victories for the next 10 election cycles. the dems need progressives. the progressives do not need the dems.
aoc can now go back to her district and say, "see, i wanted more than what the party wanted to give you, and i refused to vote for something giving you less." it is a winning play in her district.
that’s exactly right, she was thinking of herself, focused on the short term and damaged her president and her party. She got aggressive while forgetting how to count to 50 nor understanding how strong her adversary was from WV. Dems carry her district no matter what so her appealing to her district does zero to get what she wants - changing the country from center right to center left and flourishing with new progressive laws. Only changing minds across America can accomplish that.
so how smart would it be for her to break off into a new party and never be part of a House majority ever again in her career? To hand the GOP the presidency for the next 40 years? Only in the insane clown party that is the democrats does power get handed to House neophytes like AOC and her squad.
Except Nancy has kept AOC in check. While loud, the squad doesn’t control the party. And her justification for her vote appears to be holding true. Integrity. See the difference between AOC and Kinzinger? Agreed with POOTWH 90% of the time, helping to create the monster and when faced with doing the right thing, quit. Some integrity there.
It’ll be repubs who usher in 40 years of repub presidencies because y’all be living under a dictatorship in 4 years.
While inevitably Pelosi was able to get the infrastructure bill passed it was only after an embarrassing Election Day for Dems. When voters went to the poll, they saws Dems as the party of infighting and stalemate, something Independents vote against regulatory.
I agree that we could be looking at a big authoritarian push in a few years, the only way to defeat that is by running an efficient govt that responds quickly and decisively about economic issues. The unfortunate fact is voters care a lot more about the price of gas than free community college and free paid leave.
and the american people continue to be fucking stupid when it comes to gas prices...
opec and russia control output, which drives prices.
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A little overstated but sure. Adam Kinzinger has integrity. I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands.
do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
I guess it depends on what you mean by that. What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity? You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity.
But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
Because he won't win. Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win. I don't see what that had to do with integrity though.
If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
See my comment to Static. He doesn't owe anyone that. Once his term is over, his service is performed.
If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?
Sure you can call him a quitter. But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up. That's my point. He has to take care of his family first and foremost. That's what I would do.
Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically. She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.
if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
point blank is the dems need aoc more than she needs the dems. imagine if the squad broke off and formed their own party. they would cut the democratic party in half and give the gop electoral victories for the next 10 election cycles. the dems need progressives. the progressives do not need the dems.
aoc can now go back to her district and say, "see, i wanted more than what the party wanted to give you, and i refused to vote for something giving you less." it is a winning play in her district.
that’s exactly right, she was thinking of herself, focused on the short term and damaged her president and her party. She got aggressive while forgetting how to count to 50 nor understanding how strong her adversary was from WV. Dems carry her district no matter what so her appealing to her district does zero to get what she wants - changing the country from center right to center left and flourishing with new progressive laws. Only changing minds across America can accomplish that.
so how smart would it be for her to break off into a new party and never be part of a House majority ever again in her career? To hand the GOP the presidency for the next 40 years? Only in the insane clown party that is the democrats does power get handed to House neophytes like AOC and her squad.
Except Nancy has kept AOC in check. While loud, the squad doesn’t control the party. And her justification for her vote appears to be holding true. Integrity. See the difference between AOC and Kinzinger? Agreed with POOTWH 90% of the time, helping to create the monster and when faced with doing the right thing, quit. Some integrity there.
It’ll be repubs who usher in 40 years of repub presidencies because y’all be living under a dictatorship in 4 years.
While inevitably Pelosi was able to get the infrastructure bill passed it was only after an embarrassing Election Day for Dems. When voters went to the poll, they saws Dems as the party of infighting and stalemate, something Independents vote against regulatory.
I agree that we could be looking at a big authoritarian push in a few years, the only way to defeat that is by running an efficient govt that responds quickly and decisively about economic issues. The unfortunate fact is voters care a lot more about the price of gas than free community college and free paid leave.
and the american people continue to be fucking stupid when it comes to gas prices...
opec and russia control output, which drives prices.
our government can do jack shit about it.
Yup, America is one stupid ass country and only getting dumber.
One repub rep complains about the pandemic and the next repub rep complains about his workplace, the House, requires him to wear a mask as he moves about his “workplace.” Tejas’ Chipped Beef Roy doesn’t want workplace rules like the rest of us might have to follow. You can’t make this up.
I remember in elementary school being taught that you never threatened the life of POTUS, even if joking because the Secret Service will pay a visit. Nor Dak rep threatening retribution. Guess he’ll have to wait until he’s in the majority and a dem does what gomer did.
It really is the greatest white hits parade. “Kneeling to comply.” Quoting scripture and lots of authoritarianism, socialism, indoctrination and similar words being tossed around. Tejas’ delegation is unique, I have to say.
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OK, lets pretend it's so. What do the midterms look like? And the 2024?
No. We are a 2 party system.
Ahhh, yes, we are.
that’s exactly right, she was thinking of herself, focused on the short term and damaged her president and her party. She got aggressive while forgetting how to count to 50 nor understanding how strong her adversary was from WV. Dems carry her district no matter what so her appealing to her district does zero to get what she wants - changing the country from center right to center left and flourishing with new progressive laws. Only changing minds across America can accomplish that.
so how smart would it be for her to break off into a new party and never be part of a House majority ever again in her career? To hand the GOP the presidency for the next 40 years? Only in the insane clown party that is the democrats does power get handed to House neophytes like AOC and her squad.
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and was there a reason why the progressives backed off their hijacking of the bipartisan infrastructure deal the day after Election Day? Any guesses why AOC supporters? Hint, she got a call from someone important from his big red phone.
It’ll be repubs who usher in 40 years of repub presidencies because y’all be living under a dictatorship in 4 years.
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Regarding AOC and her vote, who got the “sport fishing” money and “horse traded” their vote? To give AOC “cover?” Bringing home the bacon but let’s discuss “integrity.”
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And aren't you the one that brought up integrity?
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I more or less don't have an issue with lawmakers ensuring their states or districts receive benefit.
Edit instead of "more or less", I should say "within reason".
I agree that we could be looking at a big authoritarian push in a few years, the only way to defeat that is by running an efficient govt that responds quickly and decisively about economic issues. The unfortunate fact is voters care a lot more about the price of gas than free community college and free paid leave.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I remember in elementary school being taught that you never threatened the life of POTUS, even if joking because the Secret Service will pay a visit. Nor Dak rep threatening retribution. Guess he’ll have to wait until he’s in the majority and a dem does what gomer did.
What a laughingstock tailpipe of a party.
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