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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,009
    nicknyr15 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Anyone have any thoughts on AOC voting against the bill?
    Perfect is the enemy of good.
    Interesting. Makes sense for sure. Her district is in dire need of infrastructure. They were hit the hardest during the last storm. I’m just wondering if she starts voting a certain way just to keep
    in line with “the squad” 

    doesnt this line of discussion belong in the infrastructure thread?

    anyway, posted a video addressing this over there.
    So sorry. 

    simple question. you do you.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,205
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Anyone have any thoughts on AOC voting against the bill?
    Perfect is the enemy of good.
    Interesting. Makes sense for sure. Her district is in dire need of infrastructure. They were hit the hardest during the last storm. I’m just wondering if she starts voting a certain way just to keep
    in line with “the squad” 
    It's just inability to compromise.  She gets to say she's still fighting but the bill passed anyway.  
    My guess is if her vote was needed, she'd have voted for it.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,926
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Anyone have any thoughts on AOC voting against the bill?
    Perfect is the enemy of good.
    Interesting. Makes sense for sure. Her district is in dire need of infrastructure. They were hit the hardest during the last storm. I’m just wondering if she starts voting a certain way just to keep
    in line with “the squad” 
    It's just inability to compromise.  She gets to say she's still fighting but the bill passed anyway.  
    My guess is if her vote was needed, she'd have voted for it.
    Yeah that's really the question.  One would hope 
  • mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Anyone have any thoughts on AOC voting against the bill?
    Perfect is the enemy of good.
    Interesting. Makes sense for sure. Her district is in dire need of infrastructure. They were hit the hardest during the last storm. I’m just wondering if she starts voting a certain way just to keep
    in line with “the squad” 
    It's just inability to compromise.  She gets to say she's still fighting but the bill passed anyway.  
    My guess is if her vote was needed, she'd have voted for it.
    Yeah that's really the question.  One would hope 
    She hasn't been bullshitting her constituents.  That is for sure.  She says I will vote this way or that way IF and does it.
  • AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,926
    edited November 2021
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    Her sticking to it is part of her integrity.

    I don't agree w everything she stands for but I like that she doesn't sugar coat things.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,926
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,926
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he believed in what was right and had integrity wouldn't he at least put up a fight against a Pro trump candidate?
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  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,926
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he believed in what was right and had integrity wouldn't he at least put up a fight against a Pro trump candidate?
    Why would you spend your time, resources and likely own money to fight a lost cause.  Sorry, I wouildn't do that.  He has his family to think about too.  Life goes on after your time in the House.  He has a life to live and a new career to find.  It's no more his moral obligation that it is either of yours to mount your own campaign. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,926
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
  • JeBurkhardtJeBurkhardt Posts: 4,982
    Kinzinger's district is being combined with another Republican district due to redistricting by the Illinois legislature. The person who he would be going up against in the primary is Darin LaHood, who is a dyed in the wool Trump supporter. He saw the writing on the wall.  
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he believed in what was right and had integrity wouldn't he at least put up a fight against a Pro trump candidate?
    Why would you spend your time, resources and likely own money to fight a lost cause.  Sorry, I wouildn't do that.  He has his family to think about too.  Life goes on after your time in the House.  He has a life to live and a new career to find.  It's no more his moral obligation that it is either of yours to mount your own campaign. 
    So what is the argument for someone primarying AOC.  I know you aren't in support of this, but I am wondering what case would be made to knowingly go into a losing battle like that?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,926
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he believed in what was right and had integrity wouldn't he at least put up a fight against a Pro trump candidate?
    Why would you spend your time, resources and likely own money to fight a lost cause.  Sorry, I wouildn't do that.  He has his family to think about too.  Life goes on after your time in the House.  He has a life to live and a new career to find.  It's no more his moral obligation that it is either of yours to mount your own campaign. 
    So what is the argument for someone primarying AOC.  I know you aren't in support of this, but I am wondering what case would be made to knowingly go into a losing battle like that?
    Presumably they don't think it's a losing battle.  I don't know enough to say what this person is thinking.  I wouldn't waste the time, energy and resources, along with getting the proctology exam on my life choices, just to lose.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,926
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he believed in what was right and had integrity wouldn't he at least put up a fight against a Pro trump candidate?
    Why would you spend your time, resources and likely own money to fight a lost cause.  Sorry, I wouildn't do that.  He has his family to think about too.  Life goes on after your time in the House.  He has a life to live and a new career to find.  It's no more his moral obligation that it is either of yours to mount your own campaign. 
    So what is the argument for someone primarying AOC.  I know you aren't in support of this, but I am wondering what case would be made to knowingly go into a losing battle like that?
    Presumably they don't think it's a losing battle.  I don't know enough to say what this person is thinking.  I wouldn't waste the time, energy and resources, along with getting the proctology exam on my life choices, just to lose.  
    haha
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  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,009
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,807
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.

    Except she spearheaded a massive rebellion against her party by holding up the infrastructure bill and didn’t budge until the voters spoke. Funny that voters hate party infighting.

    one thing the combined GOP got right, bartenders can make terrible politicians. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,009
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.

    Except she spearheaded a massive rebellion against her party by holding up the infrastructure bill and didn’t budge until the voters spoke. Funny that voters hate party infighting.

    one thing the combined GOP got right, bartenders can make terrible politicians. 

    lowly drink slingers.....

    Ocasio-Cortez attended Boston University, where she double-majored in international relations and economics, graduating cum laude. She was previously an activist and worked as a waitress and bartender before running for Congress in 2018.

    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,807



    mickeyrat said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.

    Except she spearheaded a massive rebellion against her party by holding up the infrastructure bill and didn’t budge until the voters spoke. Funny that voters hate party infighting.

    one thing the combined GOP got right, bartenders can make terrible politicians. 

    lowly drink slingers.....

    Ocasio-Cortez attended Boston University, where she double-majored in international relations and economics, graduating cum laude. She was previously an activist and worked as a waitress and bartender before running for Congress in 2018.


    You got me, that double major degree really did wonders for the Dems last Tuesday. Maybe AOC should prove her worth by flipping some swing or red districts before starting a civil war among Dems when they hold the White House.
  • mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
    I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,807
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
    I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.


    Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically.  She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.

    if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
  • mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
    I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.


    Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically.  She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.

    if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
    She also took on an entrenched, party backed incumbent. And she's not afraid to take on the leadership of her party. And she's being primaried. And it appears, from reading Manchin's "concerns" about spending, that she's correct in not trusting the establishment to pass the companion spending bill. Adam Kinzinger is afraid of the POOTWH wing of his party and is ceding it to them. AOC is under constant threats of death from Marjorie Three Names and the unhinged and she's taking them on. Who would you rather have in your corner? AOC was elected partly to not to be "business as usual."


  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
    I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.


    Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically.  She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.

    if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
    point blank is the dems need aoc more than she needs the dems. imagine if the squad broke off and formed their own party. they would cut the democratic party in half and give the gop electoral victories for the next 10 election cycles. the dems need progressives. the progressives do not need the dems.

    aoc can now go back to her district and say, "see, i wanted more than what the party wanted to give you, and i refused to vote for something giving you less." it is a winning play in her district.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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