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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,598
    Looks like the gop wants to help President Biden.....


  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,343
    That first sentence.... my goodness. 



  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,300
    That first sentence.... my goodness. 


    Can’t we just hire people based on credentials, skills, experience, personality, interview etc. ?
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,343
    nicknyr15 said:
    That first sentence.... my goodness. 


    Can’t we just hire people based on credentials, skills, experience, personality, interview etc. ?
    That's a completely different conversation. 


  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,620
    edited April 8
    nicknyr15 said:
    That first sentence.... my goodness. 


    Can’t we just hire people based on credentials, skills, experience, personality, interview etc. ?
    I don’t know anything about what google was doing but a lot of diversity programs are more about where/how jobs are advertised, training/outreach in traditionally-underserved communities, etc.  I just hired an intern and the process started with looking at applications on which the names were replaced with numbers.  Why? Because experiments have been conducted showing that Steve Olsen is more likely to be interviewed than Dante Jackson, even if the qualifications are the same. I wonder if this would outrage conservatives.  Again, I am not sure what Google was doing but it wasn’t necessarily as simple as “pick the less-qualified minority.”  Sometimes traditional practices can cause the best candidate to not have the opportunity.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,620
    I’ll add that stuff like this can be touted as “a victory owed to the conservative play-the-victim movement.”
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 20,763
    OnWis97 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    That first sentence.... my goodness. 


    Can’t we just hire people based on credentials, skills, experience, personality, interview etc. ?
    I don’t know anything about what google was doing but a lot of diversity programs are more about where/how jobs are advertised, training/outreach in traditionally-underserved communities, etc.  I just hired an intern and the process started with looking at applications on which the names were replaced with numbers.  Why? Because experiments have been conducted showing that Steve Olsen is more likely to be interviewed than Dante Jackson, even if the qualifications are the same. I wonder if this would outrage conservatives.  Again, I am not sure what Google was doing but it wasn’t necessarily as simple as “pick the less-qualified minority.”  Sometimes traditional practices can cause the best candidate to not have the opportunity.
    This is a good procedure. 
  • static111static111 Posts: 2,363
    That first sentence.... my goodness. 


    Weren’t they caught double counting minorities and women and counting white people as poc in order to inflate their diversity anyway?  So basically now they aren’t going to fudge the numbers since they weren’t diverse in the first place.  I may be referring to a Facebook diversity story, it’s hard to tell anymore the way all of t tech companies blend their sleaziness 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,558
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    That first sentence.... my goodness. 


    Can’t we just hire people based on credentials, skills, experience, personality, interview etc. ?
    I don’t know anything about what google was doing but a lot of diversity programs are more about where/how jobs are advertised, training/outreach in traditionally-underserved communities, etc.  I just hired an intern and the process started with looking at applications on which the names were replaced with numbers.  Why? Because experiments have been conducted showing that Steve Olsen is more likely to be interviewed than Dante Jackson, even if the qualifications are the same. I wonder if this would outrage conservatives.  Again, I am not sure what Google was doing but it wasn’t necessarily as simple as “pick the less-qualified minority.”  Sometimes traditional practices can cause the best candidate to not have the opportunity.
    This is a good procedure. 
    agree 100%. maybe the interview should be conducted with face shadowed and voice altered like on old 80's "investigative journalism" shows. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 11,989
    nicknyr15 said:
    That first sentence.... my goodness. 


    Can’t we just hire people based on credentials, skills, experience, personality, interview etc. ?

    Saying "can't we just hire people based on credentials etc" in an argument against trying to diversify hiring practices suggests that the default hiring practices do hire people based on credentials, skills etc, when in fact they primarily involve white men hiring other white men because they feel comfortable with that situation. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,307
    What could possibly go wrong? With an army of Karens and "victims?"

    In a leaked video of a recent presentation, a man who identifies himself as a GOP official in Harris County, Tex., says the party needs 10,000 Republicans for an “election integrity brigade” in Houston.

    Then he pulls up a map of the area’s voting precincts and points to Houston’s dense, racially diverse urban core, saying the party specifically needed volunteers with “the confidence and courage to come down here,” adding, “this is where the fraud is occurring.”

    The official cites widespread vote fraud, which has not been documented in Texas, as driving the need for an “army” of poll watchers to monitor voters at every precinct in the county.

    Now, the government accountability group Common Cause Texas — which published the footage Thursday — is raising alarm that such an effort could instead serve to intimidate and suppress voters in metro Houston.

    “It’s very clear that we’re talking about recruiting people from the predominantly Anglo parts of town to go to Black and Brown neighborhoods,” Anthony Gutierrez, the group’s executive director, told The Washington Post.

    “This is a role that’s supposed to do nothing but stand at a poll site and observe,” he added. So “why is he suggesting someone needs to be ‘courageous’?” Gutierrez asked.

    In a statement to The Post, the Harris County Republican Party said Common Cause was “blatantly mischaracterizing a grassroots election worker recruitment video.” The party chair Cindy Siegel accused the group of trying “to bully and intimidate Republicans.”

    “The goal is to activate an army of volunteers for every precinct in Harris County,” Siegel said. “And, to engage voters for the whole ballot, top to bottom, and ensure every legal vote is counted.”

    The video, recorded in early March, comes as the Texas Legislature considers a set of voting changes that would expand the role of poll watchers and limit other election officials’ ability to oversee those volunteers.

    Republicans have proposed a raft of such legislation in dozens of statehouses across the country, insisting they are necessary to shore up confidence in voting systems. But nationwide, as in Texas, critics say these voting bills would only tighten access to the ballot box, particularly for voters of color and other marginalized groups.

    The Texas state Senate last week approved Senate Bill 7, which has been deemed a priority by Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R) and which would prohibit drive-through voting and limit extended early voting hours.

    The bill would also allow give poll watchers — volunteers who are appointed by local party officials — the sole power to film and photograph inside the state’s polling locations, for the purpose of sending footage to the Texas secretary of state’s office.

    Siegel denied that Republicans were trying to restrict voting through the legislation, saying the goal was to improve election security.

    The video documents a presentation by a GOP official in Harris County, seemingly to other members of the chapter. Common Cause Texas said it obtained a recording of the presentation from a concerned citizen who received a link to the video.

    In the video, the presenter lays out a plan to recruit and train more than 10,000 people to be spread across every voting precinct in Harris County — mostly as volunteer poll watchers, with others who can be nominated for paid roles selected by local elections administrators.

    He said he lives in a precinct in the northwestern part of Harris County, outside Houston city limits, where 7 in 10 households are Republican.

    Such an area would be a good place to recruit poll watchers, he added, but it would make for a “pretty safe precinct.” Instead, he said that “a lot of Republican folks have got to have the courage [to work outside the suburbs]. If we don’t do that, this fraud down in here is really going to continue.”

    He also specifically mentioned sending poll watchers to monitor voting at Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church, a Black congregation that once hosted Martin Luther King, Jr. and that has played a key role in Houston’s civil rights history.

    Gutierrez said the video highlights his concerns with the state Senate’s voting bill. He said the “brigade” of poll watchers would effectively be empowered to intimidate the most vulnerable voters.

    For instance, he said, an untrained, skeptical poll watcher might see someone accompanying a relative who is blind, or a relative who doesn’t speak English, to the ballot box and then interpret the situation as an example of voter fraud and begin filming or taking photos.

    The bill lacks any teeth to ensure that footage in fact goes to the Texas secretary of state, he said, and so it could then end up online, where trolls could attack someone merely for voting, or trying to help someone else do the same, in a perfectly legal way.

    Harris County Republicans building ‘election integrity brigade,’ leaked video shows - The Washington Post

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    And they didn’t even put him on the ground and cuffed him uhmm I think driving the wrong way and under the influence of alcohol is way worse then what got Floyd killed oh to be born white is truly hitting the lottery..
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 26,278
    nicknyr15 said:
    That first sentence.... my goodness. 


    Can’t we just hire people based on credentials, skills, experience, personality, interview etc. ?

    Saying "can't we just hire people based on credentials etc" in an argument against trying to diversify hiring practices suggests that the default hiring practices do hire people based on credentials, skills etc, when in fact they primarily involve white men hiring other white men because they feel comfortable with that situation. 
    I hire the person that can do the job.  Unfortunately you are right though.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,580
    it makes me sick to see all of these democrats and liberals who are sucking up to john boehner now.

    apparently they have forgotten what an impediment to any kind of progress he was.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,620
    it makes me sick to see all of these democrats and liberals who are sucking up to john boehner now.

    apparently they have forgotten what an impediment to any kind of progress he was.
    It's an interesting thing. I hated him. And I still do. I saw him on the Colbert show last night and while I am sure he's still a jackass (and he says he voted for Trump over Biden, who he called a good guy, so he wasn't exactly overly afraid of the damage Trump was doing). That said, he does cover the basics that we've lost, e.g., doing more than just "owning the libs," and actually working together. That's the "good" we need to get to before we can be "great."
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 20,763
    OnWis97 said:
    it makes me sick to see all of these democrats and liberals who are sucking up to john boehner now.

    apparently they have forgotten what an impediment to any kind of progress he was.
    It's an interesting thing. I hated him. And I still do. I saw him on the Colbert show last night and while I am sure he's still a jackass (and he says he voted for Trump over Biden, who he called a good guy, so he wasn't exactly overly afraid of the damage Trump was doing). That said, he does cover the basics that we've lost, e.g., doing more than just "owning the libs," and actually working together. That's the "good" we need to get to before we can be "great."
    I don't like him, but he's right when he talks about how the entertainment wing of the R party has greatly overtaken the policy side. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,307
    Fuck Boner. He can go cry and smoke a cig. And wipe the bar top after. Fuck him.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,580
    Fuck Boner. He can go cry and smoke a cig. And wipe the bar top after. Fuck him.
    my thoughts exactly.

    they say the enemy of my enemy is my friend. 

    this is not the case with boehner and the rest of them who have somehow suddenly found a spine. boehner is still my enemy and always will be.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,580
    enemy in the figurative, not the literal sense.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,580
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    it makes me sick to see all of these democrats and liberals who are sucking up to john boehner now.

    apparently they have forgotten what an impediment to any kind of progress he was.
    It's an interesting thing. I hated him. And I still do. I saw him on the Colbert show last night and while I am sure he's still a jackass (and he says he voted for Trump over Biden, who he called a good guy, so he wasn't exactly overly afraid of the damage Trump was doing). That said, he does cover the basics that we've lost, e.g., doing more than just "owning the libs," and actually working together. That's the "good" we need to get to before we can be "great."
    I don't like him, but he's right when he talks about how the entertainment wing of the R party has greatly overtaken the policy side. 
    well, when they have literally nothing else to run on, if you cannot run on policy, they have to at least be entertaining.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,580
    OnWis97 said:
    it makes me sick to see all of these democrats and liberals who are sucking up to john boehner now.

    apparently they have forgotten what an impediment to any kind of progress he was.
    It's an interesting thing. I hated him. And I still do. I saw him on the Colbert show last night and while I am sure he's still a jackass (and he says he voted for Trump over Biden, who he called a good guy, so he wasn't exactly overly afraid of the damage Trump was doing). That said, he does cover the basics that we've lost, e.g., doing more than just "owning the libs," and actually working together. That's the "good" we need to get to before we can be "great."
    did he cover the gop absolute fumbling of the virus response that got half a million ameicans killed?
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,580
    on colbert did he talk about the gop failure to hold trump accountable during either impeachment? if not, then he can fuck all the way off.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,620
    on colbert did he talk about the gop failure to hold trump accountable during either impeachment? if not, then he can fuck all the way off.
    No. He pretty much saved his venom for Ted Cruz and did lament January 6 and the Big Lie.

    I'm not pretending to be a fan and I'm certainly not going to buy his book. But when you're looking for water in the desert, you'll drink anything. Some of what he says needs to be absorbed by party members. It's really a shame that nobody in that party grows a spine when they're actually in office.
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