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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,542
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Daily Mail is basically Fox News on steroids in a tabloid format for Britain. But even though I wouldn’t depend on it for accuracy, there’s something to be said about a conservative-leaning paper like that printing this story about Gaetz. Where’s there’s smoke there’s usually fire. I’d wager a guess Gaetz goes down hard with some people on the right (Tucker, etc.) turning on him and calling for his resignation. 
    Agreed,  that's why I said if this is remotely true,  he fucked. Considering his partner is in jail awaiting trial,  that doesn't bode well.  

    BTW, Orlando sentinel and cnn have both reported the late night visits to the office.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-joel-greenberg-matt-gaetz-closed-office-weekend-20210402-y5xcsaecibaa3eysrljvwjp3cm-story.html?outputType=amp
    It’s also telling that no Republicans has defended him except Jim Jordan and Marjorie Green. Not exactly great character witnesses. He’s definitely fucked politically. And likely fucked criminally. 
    Seriously, what is wrong with people?  Why would someone go through all these machinations to transport a 17 year old.  Is an 18 year old really that different? 
    18 yr olds are legal and not taboo.
    For a guy like him nailing an underage girl is an accomplishment at his age.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Daily Mail is basically Fox News on steroids in a tabloid format for Britain. But even though I wouldn’t depend on it for accuracy, there’s something to be said about a conservative-leaning paper like that printing this story about Gaetz. Where’s there’s smoke there’s usually fire. I’d wager a guess Gaetz goes down hard with some people on the right (Tucker, etc.) turning on him and calling for his resignation. 
    Agreed,  that's why I said if this is remotely true,  he fucked. Considering his partner is in jail awaiting trial,  that doesn't bode well.  

    BTW, Orlando sentinel and cnn have both reported the late night visits to the office.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-joel-greenberg-matt-gaetz-closed-office-weekend-20210402-y5xcsaecibaa3eysrljvwjp3cm-story.html?outputType=amp
    It’s also telling that no Republicans has defended him except Jim Jordan and Marjorie Green. Not exactly great character witnesses. He’s definitely fucked politically. And likely fucked criminally. 
    Seriously, what is wrong with people?  Why would someone go through all these machinations to transport a 17 year old.  Is an 18 year old really that different? 
    18 yr olds are legal and not taboo.
    For a guy like him nailing an underage girl is an accomplishment at his age.
    Yeah, you're probably right.  
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,728
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Daily Mail is basically Fox News on steroids in a tabloid format for Britain. But even though I wouldn’t depend on it for accuracy, there’s something to be said about a conservative-leaning paper like that printing this story about Gaetz. Where’s there’s smoke there’s usually fire. I’d wager a guess Gaetz goes down hard with some people on the right (Tucker, etc.) turning on him and calling for his resignation. 
    Agreed,  that's why I said if this is remotely true,  he fucked. Considering his partner is in jail awaiting trial,  that doesn't bode well.  

    BTW, Orlando sentinel and cnn have both reported the late night visits to the office.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-joel-greenberg-matt-gaetz-closed-office-weekend-20210402-y5xcsaecibaa3eysrljvwjp3cm-story.html?outputType=amp
    It’s also telling that no Republicans has defended him except Jim Jordan and Marjorie Green. Not exactly great character witnesses. He’s definitely fucked politically. And likely fucked criminally. 
    Seriously, what is wrong with people?  Why would someone go through all these machinations to transport a 17 year old.  Is an 18 year old really that different? 
    It’s insane. 
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,938
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Daily Mail is basically Fox News on steroids in a tabloid format for Britain. But even though I wouldn’t depend on it for accuracy, there’s something to be said about a conservative-leaning paper like that printing this story about Gaetz. Where’s there’s smoke there’s usually fire. I’d wager a guess Gaetz goes down hard with some people on the right (Tucker, etc.) turning on him and calling for his resignation. 
    Agreed,  that's why I said if this is remotely true,  he fucked. Considering his partner is in jail awaiting trial,  that doesn't bode well.  

    BTW, Orlando sentinel and cnn have both reported the late night visits to the office.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-joel-greenberg-matt-gaetz-closed-office-weekend-20210402-y5xcsaecibaa3eysrljvwjp3cm-story.html?outputType=amp
    It’s also telling that no Republicans has defended him except Jim Jordan and Marjorie Green. Not exactly great character witnesses. He’s definitely fucked politically. And likely fucked criminally. 
    Seriously, what is wrong with people?  Why would someone go through all these machinations to transport a 17 year old.  Is an 18 year old really that different? 
    18 yr olds are legal and not taboo.
    For a guy like him nailing an underage girl is an accomplishment at his age.
    And along those same lines.. once they get a subpoena, I wonder if he keeps lists to brag about on his devices.
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,485
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    Imagine if this pedophile trafficking ring was operating out of the basement of a pizza shop? 
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629
    Imagine if this pedophile trafficking ring was operating out of the basement of a pizza shop? 

    Conservatives would lose their minds. 
    Evidently this is #TheStorm
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,542
    Imagine if this pedophile trafficking ring was operating out of the basement of a pizza shop? 
    conservatives would blame....

    Hillary
    President Obama 
    Hunter Biden
    George Soros
    And the Jewish space lasers


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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,600
    Imagine if this pedophile trafficking ring was operating out of the basement of a pizza shop? 
    conservatives would blame....

    Hillary
    President Obama 
    Hunter Biden
    George Soros
    And the Jewish space lasers


    Would? Have.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,823
    mrussel1 said:
    The Daily Mail is basically Fox News on steroids in a tabloid format for Britain. But even though I wouldn’t depend on it for accuracy, there’s something to be said about a conservative-leaning paper like that printing this story about Gaetz. Where’s there’s smoke there’s usually fire. I’d wager a guess Gaetz goes down hard with some people on the right (Tucker, etc.) turning on him and calling for his resignation. 
    Agreed,  that's why I said if this is remotely true,  he fucked. Considering his partner is in jail awaiting trial,  that doesn't bode well.  

    BTW, Orlando sentinel and cnn have both reported the late night visits to the office.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-joel-greenberg-matt-gaetz-closed-office-weekend-20210402-y5xcsaecibaa3eysrljvwjp3cm-story.html?outputType=amp
    It’s also telling that no Republicans has defended him except Jim Jordan and Marjorie Green. Not exactly great character witnesses. He’s definitely fucked politically. And likely fucked criminally. 
    History shows Jordan likes to look the other way at sexual abuse.  And MTG?  She’s just nuts.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,823
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Daily Mail is basically Fox News on steroids in a tabloid format for Britain. But even though I wouldn’t depend on it for accuracy, there’s something to be said about a conservative-leaning paper like that printing this story about Gaetz. Where’s there’s smoke there’s usually fire. I’d wager a guess Gaetz goes down hard with some people on the right (Tucker, etc.) turning on him and calling for his resignation. 
    Agreed,  that's why I said if this is remotely true,  he fucked. Considering his partner is in jail awaiting trial,  that doesn't bode well.  

    BTW, Orlando sentinel and cnn have both reported the late night visits to the office.

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-joel-greenberg-matt-gaetz-closed-office-weekend-20210402-y5xcsaecibaa3eysrljvwjp3cm-story.html?outputType=amp
    It’s also telling that no Republicans has defended him except Jim Jordan and Marjorie Green. Not exactly great character witnesses. He’s definitely fucked politically. And likely fucked criminally. 
    Seriously, what is wrong with people?  Why would someone go through all these machinations to transport a 17 year old.  Is an 18 year old really that different? 
    18 yr olds are legal and not taboo.
    For a guy like him nailing an underage girl is an accomplishment at his age.
    And along those same lines.. once they get a subpoena, I wonder if he keeps lists to brag about on his devices.
    That would be stupid.  Then again, you don’t get elected to Congress as a Republican in Florida because of your intelligence.
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,542
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    Inside a stealth ‘persuasion machine’ promising Republican victories in 2022


    April 3, 2021 at 12:55 p.m. EDT

    A Facebook page shows a child scampering down a school corridor, alerting Ohio families to a scholarship program.

    Chatter fills the same page with news ranging from a state anti-corruption bill to the vibrant local real estate market. “It’s a great time to be selling a home in Columbus,” one post celebrates.

    Titled Arise Ohio, the Facebook page is the creation of the American Culture Project — a nonprofit whose website says its mission is to “empower Americans with the tools and information necessary to make their voices heard in their local communities, statehouses and beyond.”

    Undisclosed on the Facebook page is the nonprofit’s partisan goal. Arise Ohio and similar sites aimed at other politically pivotal states are part of a novel strategy by a little-known, Republican-aligned group to make today’s GOP more palatable to moderate voters ahead of the 2022 midterms by reshaping the “cultural narrative” on hot-button issues.

    That goal, laid out in a private fundraising appeal sent last month to a Republican donor and reviewed by The Washington Post, relies on building new online communities that can be tapped at election time, with a focus on winning back Congress in 2022.

    “We’ve created a persuasion machine that allows conservatives to reach, engage and move people to action like never before,” the solicitation states. “Now is the time to expand and capitalize on this machine, setting the political playing field in advance of the 2022 election.”

    After condemning President Donald Trump’s actions around the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, multiple GOP lawmakers have since thrown their support behind him. (JM Rieger/The Washington Post)

    Titled “Reclaiming the Public Narrative,” the solicitation argues that the left, because of its clout within cultural institutions, has more access to centrist voters while the right is stuck “within its own echo chamber.” It says the group will collect personal data gathered from petitions and other online tools to target voters using “language consumed by those in the persuadable middle.”

    The solicitation was sent to Warren Stephens, a billionaire banker based in Arkansas who backed President Donald Trump’s reelection effort. It was also inadvertently directed to someone who shared the communications with The Post. The documents provide an unusual glimpse into the inner workings of a group whose activities are ordinarily veiled and illustrate how the Republican Party, still largely defined by Trump, is straining to connect with the country’s political center.

    Stephens, through a spokesman, declined to say whether he had made a contribution to the project.

    The American Culture Project is set up as a social welfare organization exempt from disclosing its donors or paying federal income taxes but, in exchange, barred from making politics its primary focus. The project is led by an Illinois-based conservative activist, John Tillman, who also oversees a libertarian think tank and a news foundation that recently received grant money to highlight opposition to public health restrictions. Tillman, who declined to be interviewed for this story, wrote in an email that the American Culture Project’s objectives are “issue education and advocacy (not electioneering).”

    “We focus on reaching millions of Americans who can no longer rely on traditional media to become fully informed on a diversity of views on the issues of the day,” he wrote. “By reaching millions of Americans with a broader, more wide ranging set of issues and ideas, we think that voters will make decisions that will elect people, whether Democrat or Republican, that believe in America’s founding principles, and particularly the Bill of Rights.”

    While data collection and digital ad targeting have become commonplace in political campaigns, what’s unusual about the American Culture Project, experts said, is how it presents its aims as news dissemination and community building. It touts transparency and civic engagement using an online network whose donors remain private — part of a bid to shape public opinion as local news outlets crater and social networks replace traditional forums for political deliberation.

    The arrangement “puts the lie to the public presentation of these nonprofits as public welfare organizations that might happen to do a little politics,” said Noah Bookbinder, president of the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. “It shows the system is being abused in ways we knew were happening but you usually don’t see quite so blatantly.”

    Building a persuasion machine

    The American Culture Project makes little about its activities publicly known. Its website is bare of an employee roster. A tax filing identifies the mission of the nonprofit, launched in 2019, as the “promotion of free market solutions to complex national problems.”

    But the problem made paramount in the fundraising documents is the left’s cultural dominance, which animates charges of “cancel culture” and “woke supremacy.”

    “The left competes well, not simply in elections, but in the battle for cultural control,” the March solicitation states. “The outcome of the 2020 election and the Georgia run-off Senate races demonstrate that Americans are voting in response to cultural cues. Those who control the narrative of what is and is not acceptable in mainstream society steer the direction of the country, and as a result, control which politicians are elected, and which public policies are passed into law. Narrative matters and is often decisive.”

    The Facebook pages, through organic content and paid posts, cultivate new ways of engaging with voters by sharing practical information about everything from education to voting while also seeking to gin up anger over claims of government malfeasance. In addition to Arise Ohio, other pages pumping out content include Stand up Florida and Mighty Michigan. One Facebook ad created by Stand Up Florida simply promises: “Our followers get updates about Florida government when it matters most.” Another bashes the state for imposing limitations on craft breweries.

    According to the fundraising documents, the project is already active in five states: Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio and Virginia. It is seeking to expand to six more: Arizona, Iowa, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Texas and Wisconsin.

    In each place, the intention is to build an audience that includes at least a quarter of the state’s voters, the March solicitation explains, giving the project political sway in the places that matter most to control of Washington.

    “This means your support of our outreach can be the difference between the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate staying under control of the Democrats or shifting back to pro-freedom Republican majorities,” the fundraising appeal asserts.

    The expansion envisioned by the American Culture Project involves raising $24 million this year, according to a budget breakdown. That sum would cover marketing talent, original research, digital promotion, in-state liaisons, polling and other efforts. Most costly is “earned audience acquisition” — spending money, via advertising on Facebook and other platforms, to build a database of persuadable voters.

    The arrangement illustrates why politically aligned nonprofits have proliferated, and why they pose such a challenge to the Internal Revenue Service, said David Pozen, a professor of constitutional law and an expert in nonprofit law at Columbia University.

    Intensifying partisanship, Pozen said, has all but eliminated the distinction between issue advocacy and campaign activity. “In a world of intense ideological polarization where the two main parties have almost no overlap on any significant policy issue, issue advocacy will necessarily be a kind of partisan activity,” he said. “There is no daylight.”

    Driving engagement

    Communications from pages sponsored by the American Culture Project inspire intense partisan reactions.

    Mighty Michigan recently highlighted a debate over restrictions on commercial activity in the state. “Governor Gretchen Whitmer and the federal government’s chief medical advisor, Anthony Fauci, are bumping heads,” blared a post. The issue touched a nerve for one of the page’s followers, who wrote: “Both belong in prison, one for killing the elderly the other for crimes against humanity.”

    Among the most popular of the American Culture Project’s pages, Mighty Michigan has gained about 30,000 followers since it was created in the fall of 2019. Accompanying the Facebook page is a private group called We Are Mighty. The group’s description suggests its purpose is to train local influencers. “Members commit to partnering with us to lead circles of influence and communicate with elected officials,” it states.

    Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) on Jan. 7 said President Trump was "complicit" in the violent riots that took place at the Capitol a day earlier. (The Washington Post)

    The group’s administrators also manage similar units in other states, including Florida and Ohio, with such names as Upstanders and Ohio Grit. The connections among the various pages and groups, which appear specific to each state, are not disclosed. The state brands are also present on Instagram, but these accounts have not yet posted content.

    The connection to the American Culture Project is made clear on a linked website. “Mighty Michigan is sponsored by the nonprofit American Culture Project, a national leader in research and civic engagement in the Midwest and throughout the country,” the website states. It describes the American Culture Project as a “nonpartisan organization.”

    “We do not focus on candidates or elections at any level,” the site maintains.

    The message delivered privately to potential donors is different. “We are building assets to shape and frame the political field in advance of the 2022 election and beyond,” the solicitation promises.

    Tillman’s assets extend well beyond a handful of Facebook pages focused on battleground states. In addition to the American Culture Project and the Illinois Policy Institute, tax filings identify him as chairman of the Franklin News Foundation, a nonprofit media company that draws revenue from DonorsTrust, a donor-advised fund that backs conservative causes and allows its contributors to remain anonymous.

    The news foundation recently received a $50,000 grant from DonorsTrust for a coronavirus-related news project. “This program will offer an alternate perspective to legacy media’s unfair coverage of individuals who disagree with state shutdowns as radical or heartless and will be republished around the country in state and local newspapers, which are starved for local covid-19 news content,” states the announcement from DonorsTrust, which did not respond to a request for comment.

    The news network, which publishes articles on a website called the Center Square, concentrates its coverage on 36 states, with a particular focus on some of the Midwestern states where the American Culture Project is seeking an online foothold. Arise Ohio and other pages in Tillman’s network often post stories produced by the Center Square.

    The news site, which is among a growing number of journalistic initiatives undertaken by operatives from both parties, received more than 300,000 average monthly visits last year, according to analysis completed by the website analytics firm SimilarWeb. Tillman, in an email, said he has “no involvement at all in the editorial decisions made at the Franklin News Foundation.”

    Though it declares no partisan affiliation, the news foundation has been led by people tied to Republican politics. Recent tax filings identify its director as Kristina Rasmussen, who was chief of staff to Republican Bruce Rauner when he was governor of Illinois, though she wrote in an email that she stepped down from the role as director several years ago.

    Rasmussen is now a leader of the American Culture Project. In the March 1 email to Stephens, Rasmussen was identified as the project’s executive director. She declined to comment on the project.

    “It’s Potemkin politics,” said Tom Wheeler, a former chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. “It raises deception to an art form, and it aids in the de-democratization of media and of public life.”



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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,600
    Is that all the repub party can offer? Just a party of whiny grievances and being victimized? By the libs they own? So pathetic. And SAD!
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,629
    I think it's sad that Huckabee doesn't like America.  Love it or leave it,  I say. 
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    HobbesHobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,383
    So wait, is he blaming himself for the China-flu?

    I'm confused. :i_dunno:
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,600
    Has anyone gotten Ted Crud’s, Gym Jordan’s or MTG’s comments on SNL’s cold open? Or are they unavailable due to their presence at Bohemian Grove?
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    Georgia Governor Mein Kampth really is high energy. Hope he doesn’t stroke out splaining hisself. Again, policy? Nah, policy is for suckers.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,600
    Holy fucking shit, just landed on NewsMax and what pops up? Mike hucksterabee begging money for oppressed Jews in, maybe the Soviet Union? On Easter? The evangelicals are whacked. Pass the snake. Suckers.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,832
    why are conservatives to consistently bad at humour/sarcasm?
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,157
    why are conservatives to consistently bad at humour/sarcasm?
    because they constantly punch down on people. 

    comedy is only funny when people punch up. that is why it is funny when we dunk on huckabee, trump, gaetz, et al and it is never ever funny when they dunk on other people.

    trump was kind of funny when he tried to dunk on kim jong un, but then he got beautiful letters and never tried to dunk on him again. lateral dunks are funny half of the time. 
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,241
    This is an interesting read that goes over the entire Georgia voting changes. Some are good and some are not so good. Kind of what the GOP is good at, making you believe that they're improving something while ignoring the not so great parts. Probably more accurate to say politicians in general.

    The Fix
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    Expand access? A historic restriction? What the Georgia voting law really does.


    How Georgia voters feel about the state’s new election regulations

    One week after it was signed into law, Georgia's Republican-led voting overhaul is facing backlash from a growing number of voting rights advocates. (Mahlia Posey/The Washington Post)
    April 3, 2021 at 10:03 a.m. CDT
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    Opponents of Georgia’s new elections law call it a blatant attack on voting rights, aimed specifically at suppressing the minority vote that helped propel Joe Biden’s presidential win and gave Democrats two critical seats in the U.S. Senate. Backlash from the corporate world has been growing, and on Friday Major League Baseball announced it was moving its All-Star Game from Atlanta in response to the law. President Biden said last week the law amounts to “Jim Crow in the 21st Century,” calling it “un-American” and “sick.”

    But Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R), who signed the bill into law last month, insists the opposite.

    “I’m telling you the truth about this bill,” Kemp insisted on WABE radio, Atlanta’s NPR affiliate, on Tuesday. “It expands access.”

    A close examination of the language in the law shows it does contain new restrictions on voting; some are likely to make it disproportionately more difficult for poorer voters and voters of color to cast their ballots.

    It’s also correct that there are ways in which the law expands voter access, particularly in ways that will be visible in rural areas.

    The context is important of course: This is playing out in the wake of Georgia’s swing to Democrats in the 2020 presidential election and the ensuing baseless charges of fraud from the Trump campaign and its allies. Republican lawmakers in the state — as many of their counterparts across the country have — quickly began drafting a bill critics say is a political reaction from a party beholden to Trump.

    The other important context: The long history of suppressing Black votes.

    So let’s look at what it does and doesn’t do.

    How the new law limits voting

    It shrinks the window for early and absentee voting. Rather than allowing voters to request ballots six months from Election Day, the new law says voters can start requesting ballots 78 days out; counties can begin sending ballots to voters just 29 days before Election Day, rather than the previous 49 days. Critics say any mail delays with these shorter periods could lead to voters not getting ballots on time, or not being able to return them in time. But proponents of the law say voters simply don’t need the 180 days they used to have to request ballots.

    Counties and the state can send mail ballot applications only to voters who request them (as opposed to simply sending every registered voter a ballot) and cannot fill in information ahead of time.

    New voter ID requirements. Voters who cast mail ballots will have to provide one of several forms of identification. This provision — which replaces a signature match previously used to confirm voters’ identities — is one of the most controversial because critics say it is likely to disproportionately affect Black voters.

    A limit on the number of ballot drop boxes during early voting. It essentially limits the number of drop boxes in each county to one per early-voting site, or one for every 100,000 voters in the county, whichever number is smaller. And the drop boxes can’t be conveniently spread over the county, for example, in places where there aren’t in-person early-voting locations; they all have to be located either in a county election office or at an early-voting precinct location.

    Shortened early voting in runoff elections. Instead of a minimum of three weeks of early voting in runoffs, early voting in runoffs will be held in a single Monday-Friday period.

    State lawmakers get much more power over county and local elections (and Republicans have decisive majorities in both the state Senate and the state House). The law states that the General Assembly will select the chair of the state elections board, rather than the board being chaired by the Georgia secretary of state — an elected position. The chair is supposed to be nonpartisan. The state election board can investigate county election boards and has the power to suspend county election superintendents — though the law limits the state board to suspending four at a time.

    You might remember Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, who became the target of his own party’s ire after President Donald Trump asked him to “find” votes in the wake of the 2020 election; this provision seems like a direct reaction to that, ensuring partisan state lawmakers can control the election process more directly.

    A ban on handing out food and water within 150 feet of a polling place, or within 25 feet of any voter. Republicans say this is aimed at stopping outside groups from influencing voters; Democrats say it’s supposed to make it harder for people to wait in long lines, particularly on hot or cold days. Election officials are permitted to set up water stations — but they’re not required to do so.

    A few ways it expands voting:

    A minimum number of drop boxes is guaranteed. Kemp has been arguing publicly that in rural counties that didn’t have drop boxes in previous elections, this is an improvement. While the number of drop boxes is so limited it might not make a huge difference for voters, Kemp is correct that the law for the first time codifies requirements for a minimum number of drop boxes in each county.

    An additional day of early voting in most rural counties. The new bill requires at least two Saturdays of early voting for each primary and general election (previous Georgia law required only one). It allows counties to choose when their early-voting locations are open, for a minimum of eight hours a day between 7 a.m. and 7 p.m.

    More resources for precincts so lines don’t get too long. The law basically requires the state to monitor polling locations to see if any have lines longer than an hour, or still have voters waiting in line for more than an hour after polls were supposed to close. In those cases, the state is required to either form new precinct locations to ease the strain or beef up the existing polling locations’ capacity to handle large numbers of voters. This applies specifically to populous precincts, mostly in urban areas.

    Here’s what didn’t make it into the bill:

    A block on Sunday voting. Earlier proposals called for a ban on Sunday voting. This proposal was seen as directly targeting Black voters, who often vote as part of church-run “souls to the polls” efforts that take place on Sundays.

    A ban on no-excuse absentee voting. Georgia Republicans actually passed a bill in the state Senate a few weeks ago that would have banned no-excuse absentee voting, one of the most criticized — but not uniformly agreed upon — GOP proposals in the lead-up to the final bill. A few key Georgia Republicans, including Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan (R), opposed the idea — and it was ultimately removed from the bill Kemp signed into law.

    How does this compare to other states?

    Kemp and other defenders of the law say what’s on the books now is in line with voting laws, even in blue states. Kemp cited Biden’s home state of Delaware in a Fox News interview Thursday, pointing to the ways Georgia allows more access.

    Georgia’s new voter ID requirement for mail ballots is one interesting comparison point. The state’s old system required a cumbersome — and some said unreliable — signature-matching process, and the new law replaces it with a requirement for a driver’s license, Social Security card or one of a number of other forms of ID prescribed by the state.

    That’s actually a little bit less strict than some of the strictest voter ID requirements in the country, where photo ID is required. Other states are closer to Georgia’s new law, requiring some kind of photo or non-photo ID, including a Social Security number. And among those are blue states including Delaware, Washington and Connecticut.

    The preservation of no-excuse absentee voting means Georgia isn’t among the most restrictive states in terms of mail-in voting. In 2020, four states required a reason beyond the coronavirus pandemic to vote by mail.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/03/georgia-voting-law-explained/

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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    To me, this is the most dangerous part of what's going on. Voters should always decide, shouldn't they?

    From the article above:

    State lawmakers get much more power over county and local elections (and Republicans have decisive majorities in both the state Senate and the state House). The law states that the General Assembly will select the chair of the state elections board, rather than the board being chaired by the Georgia secretary of state — an elected position. The chair is supposed to be nonpartisan. The state election board can investigate county election boards and has the power to suspend county election superintendents — though the law limits the state board to suspending four at a time.

    You might remember Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, who became the target of his own party’s ire after President Donald Trump asked him to “find” votes in the wake of the 2020 election; this provision seems like a direct reaction to that, ensuring partisan state lawmakers can control the election process more directly.

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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,485
    Kat said:
    To me, this is the most dangerous part of what's going on. Voters should always decide, shouldn't they?

    From the article above:

    State lawmakers get much more power over county and local elections (and Republicans have decisive majorities in both the state Senate and the state House). The law states that the General Assembly will select the chair of the state elections board, rather than the board being chaired by the Georgia secretary of state — an elected position. The chair is supposed to be nonpartisan. The state election board can investigate county election boards and has the power to suspend county election superintendents — though the law limits the state board to suspending four at a time.

    You might remember Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, who became the target of his own party’s ire after President Donald Trump asked him to “find” votes in the wake of the 2020 election; this provision seems like a direct reaction to that, ensuring partisan state lawmakers can control the election process more directly.

    Unless I’m mistaken, I believe AZ also has introduced legislation that will make it easier to overturn election results in the instance of “irregularities”.

    The GOP is setting themselves up to do in the future what they couldn’t do in November: steal the election. 
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,241
    The best defense is a strong offense. Point the finger at someone else and deflect while you do the exact thing you're claiming someone else is doing. People like that are the worst.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,157
    Kat said:
    To me, this is the most dangerous part of what's going on. Voters should always decide, shouldn't they?

    From the article above:

    State lawmakers get much more power over county and local elections (and Republicans have decisive majorities in both the state Senate and the state House). The law states that the General Assembly will select the chair of the state elections board, rather than the board being chaired by the Georgia secretary of state — an elected position. The chair is supposed to be nonpartisan. The state election board can investigate county election boards and has the power to suspend county election superintendents — though the law limits the state board to suspending four at a time.

    You might remember Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, who became the target of his own party’s ire after President Donald Trump asked him to “find” votes in the wake of the 2020 election; this provision seems like a direct reaction to that, ensuring partisan state lawmakers can control the election process more directly.

    Unless I’m mistaken, I believe AZ also has introduced legislation that will make it easier to overturn election results in the instance of “irregularities”.

    The GOP is setting themselves up to do in the future what they couldn’t do in November: steal the election. 
    this is going on in multiple states. that is how they gop plans to steal elections going forward. they absolutely cannot win on the issues, so they have to limit the number of votes. gop will never ever win a national election again if they ran on the issues.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,832
    why are conservatives to consistently bad at humour/sarcasm?
    because they constantly punch down on people. 

    comedy is only funny when people punch up. that is why it is funny when we dunk on huckabee, trump, gaetz, et al and it is never ever funny when they dunk on other people.

    trump was kind of funny when he tried to dunk on kim jong un, but then he got beautiful letters and never tried to dunk on him again. lateral dunks are funny half of the time. 
    i think that's part of it.....I just don't find most of them funny, no matter which direction they are punching. 
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,485
    lolz


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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,485

    We need a timeline going at least as far back to trump's 'perfect' phone call to the Ukraine president, detailing all the attempts the GOP took to undermine last years election in advance, in the aftermath, and right up to 1/6 & beyond. 


    For the first time in our nation's history, the same party that's now trying to tweak election laws around the county, prevented a peaceful transfer of power, and some of you are ok with it? 



    Wake the fuck up. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,600
    lolz


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    JeBurkhardtJeBurkhardt Posts: 4,498
    What's the point of getting into politics if you can't have corporations throw money at you to fulfill their every wish? 
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