GOP

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4

So once again the burden falls on dems to save the republic, take responsibility and be the big boys in the room? Are you kidding me? Thiessan can go fuck himself. His comparison to Clinton is BS and off base. Him, POOTWH and the repub voters that voted for him in 2016 and 2020, and continue to support him, plus the mega donors and the faux right media OWN THIS POS. Not dems, not Brandon and not the leftist deep state media. Good fucking lord.

Do repubs ever claim responsibility for their colossal fuck ups? Are they ever held accountable for them? No, rather, they claim victim hood and abuse. Marc can go fuck himself.

Good fucking lord. “Brandon can show himself to be an ‘elder statesman’ and help heal the nation.” No Marc, it starts with you and your ilk and the faux outrage machine turning your backs and repudiating POOTWH and all it stands for first. Let’s start there. And even then I wouldn’t pardon that piece of shit. You broke it, you own it.

sometimes it's tough being the adults.  But I'm more interested in the country than my party.  

What we've learned is that there is no actual leadership in the GOP.  They let the rabble rule.  That's not changing until all of these radicalized boomers die off.  I'm more interested in the center, center right.  

RULE OF LAW. PERIOD.

Merkin Baller

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4

No Marc, it starts with you and your ilk and the faux outrage machine turning your backs and repudiating POOTWH and all it stands for first. Let’s start there. 

I don't disagree with a lot of what you said, but what you're suggesting here just isn't happening. 

Romney hit the nail on the head when he said in the wake of 1/6 that the best thing people can do moving forward is tell the truth, but that ain't happening either. 

I loathe the idea of catering to this legion of fuckwads, but there's no good path forward here... we're fucked one way or the other. 

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4

So once again the burden falls on dems to save the republic, take responsibility and be the big boys in the room? Are you kidding me? Thiessan can go fuck himself. His comparison to Clinton is BS and off base. Him, POOTWH and the repub voters that voted for him in 2016 and 2020, and continue to support him, plus the mega donors and the faux right media OWN THIS POS. Not dems, not Brandon and not the leftist deep state media. Good fucking lord.

Do repubs ever claim responsibility for their colossal fuck ups? Are they ever held accountable for them? No, rather, they claim victim hood and abuse. Marc can go fuck himself.

Good fucking lord. “Brandon can show himself to be an ‘elder statesman’ and help heal the nation.” No Marc, it starts with you and your ilk and the faux outrage machine turning your backs and repudiating POOTWH and all it stands for first. Let’s start there. And even then I wouldn’t pardon that piece of shit. You broke it, you own it.

sometimes it's tough being the adults.  But I'm more interested in the country than my party.  

What we've learned is that there is no actual leadership in the GOP.  They let the rabble rule.  That's not changing until all of these radicalized boomers die off.  I'm more interested in the center, center right.  

RULE OF LAW. PERIOD.

I wish the world was that simple. 

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Speaking of the Washpo and crazy ideas, normally I think Thiessen is a total douche and a hack (spoiler, he is), but I actually think Biden should consider pardoning Trump.   

https://wapo.st/3P8NvT4

So once again the burden falls on dems to save the republic, take responsibility and be the big boys in the room? Are you kidding me? Thiessan can go fuck himself. His comparison to Clinton is BS and off base. Him, POOTWH and the repub voters that voted for him in 2016 and 2020, and continue to support him, plus the mega donors and the faux right media OWN THIS POS. Not dems, not Brandon and not the leftist deep state media. Good fucking lord.

Do repubs ever claim responsibility for their colossal fuck ups? Are they ever held accountable for them? No, rather, they claim victim hood and abuse. Marc can go fuck himself.

Good fucking lord. “Brandon can show himself to be an ‘elder statesman’ and help heal the nation.” No Marc, it starts with you and your ilk and the faux outrage machine turning your backs and repudiating POOTWH and all it stands for first. Let’s start there. And even then I wouldn’t pardon that piece of shit. You broke it, you own it.

sometimes it's tough being the adults.  But I'm more interested in the country than my party.  

What we've learned is that there is no actual leadership in the GOP.  They let the rabble rule.  That's not changing until all of these radicalized boomers die off.  I'm more interested in the center, center right.  

Then it is up to the repub voters to turn their backs on and repudiate POOTWH. Until that happens, no pardon, no bail out, no reaching across the aisle. And this is what happens time and time again, dems play nice, do the right thing and then get it stuffed up our asses twice as hard the next time around.

Remind me again how many times Hillary has been indicted. This is what I’m talking about. When the other side can act and behave like adults, they can be treated as thus. Until they own the BS of 1/20/2017 through 1/20/2021, they can be responsible for where this country ends up.

Go Beavers

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/EdGreenberger/status/1668680114052145165?t=cWN6fmqvfIbIJiydW2zkHQ&s=19

Suburban legend? Did he rule the mean streets of Evanston? 

josevolution

So pardon ha! Then why go through the song & dance of investigation’s if all the comes of it is pardons for everyone! Then we are truly fucked if this country has to tip toe around the court yard bully.

mrussel1

josevolution said:

So pardon ha! Then why go through the song & dance of investigation’s if all the comes of it is pardons for everyone! Then we are truly fucked if this country has to tip toe around the court yard bully.

Why investigate?  Because the indictment was important.  Thiessen is right, the special counsel could release a full report on situation laying out in detail what happened.  Make a deal with teh senate to do a full oversight hearing, televise it, hammer him.  It could do more than the trial. 

Plus, you all assume that a guilty verdict is coming.  We don't know that.  You only need one juror to blow it up.  That's not a high bar.  A Grand Jury only needs a majority to indict.  

josevolution

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

So pardon ha! Then why go through the song & dance of investigation’s if all the comes of it is pardons for everyone! Then we are truly fucked if this country has to tip toe around the court yard bully.

Why investigate?  Because the indictment was important.  Thiessen is right, the special counsel could release a full report on situation laying out in detail what happened.  Make a deal with teh senate to do a full oversight hearing, televise it, hammer him.  It could do more than the trial. 

Plus, you all assume that a guilty verdict is coming.  We don't know that.  You only need one juror to blow it up.  That's not a high bar.  A Grand Jury only needs a majority to indict.  

josevolution

josevolution said:

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

So pardon ha! Then why go through the song & dance of investigation’s if all the comes of it is pardons for everyone! Then we are truly fucked if this country has to tip toe around the court yard bully.

Why investigate?  Because the indictment was important.  Thiessen is right, the special counsel could release a full report on situation laying out in detail what happened.  Make a deal with teh senate to do a full oversight hearing, televise it, hammer him.  It could do more than the trial. 

Plus, you all assume that a guilty verdict is coming.  We don't know that.  You only need one juror to blow it up.  That's not a high bar.  A Grand Jury only needs a majority to indict.  

But you are also assuming that the Senate would make the deal! And what kind of deal are you talking about for me it has to include that he can’t ever run for any political office again including 24

mrussel1

josevolution said:

josevolution said:

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

So pardon ha! Then why go through the song & dance of investigation’s if all the comes of it is pardons for everyone! Then we are truly fucked if this country has to tip toe around the court yard bully.

Why investigate?  Because the indictment was important.  Thiessen is right, the special counsel could release a full report on situation laying out in detail what happened.  Make a deal with teh senate to do a full oversight hearing, televise it, hammer him.  It could do more than the trial. 

Plus, you all assume that a guilty verdict is coming.  We don't know that.  You only need one juror to blow it up.  That's not a high bar.  A Grand Jury only needs a majority to indict.  

But you are also assuming that the Senate would make the deal! And what kind of deal are you talking about for me it has to include that he can’t ever run for any political office again including 24

I mean a deal to hold a mature, adult oversight hearing.  Not some circus in the House.  

I don't mean a deal that he never runs again.  Like I said earlier, even floating that will feed the belief that the whole indictment was to get him out of the race.  

Gern Blansten

Maybe we'll get lucky and the Jan 6 charges will prevent him from running

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

So pardon ha! Then why go through the song & dance of investigation’s if all the comes of it is pardons for everyone! Then we are truly fucked if this country has to tip toe around the court yard bully.

Why investigate?  Because the indictment was important.  Thiessen is right, the special counsel could release a full report on situation laying out in detail what happened.  Make a deal with teh senate to do a full oversight hearing, televise it, hammer him.  It could do more than the trial. 

Plus, you all assume that a guilty verdict is coming.  We don't know that.  You only need one juror to blow it up.  That's not a high bar.  A Grand Jury only needs a majority to indict.  

Then as with the whole process, let it play out. Talk of pardon is a tad bit early no?

But if/when found guilty there HAS to be penalty/sanction. Otherwise its all bullshit. Our constitution and its laws either matter or they dont. It IS that simple.

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1669427225933004800?t=g_JP_4WlxqUbL22Jbjzqfw&s=19

gimmesometruth27

if trump agrees to never run for office again in exchange for a pardon, he will run for the presidency again. nobody can stop him. it's a free country. 

last i heard pardons are not conditional, just an admission of guilt.

gimmesometruth27

if he gave my his word to never run again, i would be a damed fool to believe him. 

fuck that.

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

So pardon ha! Then why go through the song & dance of investigation’s if all the comes of it is pardons for everyone! Then we are truly fucked if this country has to tip toe around the court yard bully.

Why investigate?  Because the indictment was important.  Thiessen is right, the special counsel could release a full report on situation laying out in detail what happened.  Make a deal with teh senate to do a full oversight hearing, televise it, hammer him.  It could do more than the trial. 

Plus, you all assume that a guilty verdict is coming.  We don't know that.  You only need one juror to blow it up.  That's not a high bar.  A Grand Jury only needs a majority to indict.  

When I have more time to expound on my thoughts, I’ll ask these questions:

What did we get from the senate watergate committee and Ford’s pardon of Tricky Dick?

What did we get from the Iran-Contra hearings and subsequent pardons?

What did we get from the Whitewater special prosecutor investigation and what did it lead to?

What did we get from the Iraq War origin hearings and the subsequent pardon of Scooter Libby?

What did we get from the Benghazi hearings?

What did we get from the 1/6 hearings, a mature, adults in the room, true investigation and accounting for the ‘Murican people?

Put POOTWH on trial, make him appear in court and televise the trial from start to finish. Then, whether POOTWH is found guilty or not, let the ‘Murican people decide whether he’s the repub nominee and POTUS. Then those who elected him own where the nation ends up. This is not on the dems to clean up or to try and avoid in the interest of bipartisanship.

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1669427225933004800?t=g_JP_4WlxqUbL22Jbjzqfw&s=19

He has to do this because the "Freedom" caucus is holding up all business in congress right now.  So he's throwing a bone.  He will prove to be an exceptionally weak leader. They all will because they let the circus run the show. 

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

So pardon ha! Then why go through the song & dance of investigation’s if all the comes of it is pardons for everyone! Then we are truly fucked if this country has to tip toe around the court yard bully.

Why investigate?  Because the indictment was important.  Thiessen is right, the special counsel could release a full report on situation laying out in detail what happened.  Make a deal with teh senate to do a full oversight hearing, televise it, hammer him.  It could do more than the trial. 

Plus, you all assume that a guilty verdict is coming.  We don't know that.  You only need one juror to blow it up.  That's not a high bar.  A Grand Jury only needs a majority to indict.  

When I have more time to expound on my thoughts, I’ll ask these questions:

What did we get from the senate watergate committee and Ford’s pardon of Tricky Dick?

What did we get from the Iran-Contra hearings and subsequent pardons?

What did we get from the Whitewater special prosecutor investigation and what did it lead to?

What did we get from the Iraq War origin hearings and the subsequent pardon of Scooter Libby?

What did we get from the Benghazi hearings?

What did we get from the 1/6 hearings, a mature, adults in the room, true investigation and accounting for the ‘Murican people?

Put POOTWH on trial, make him appear in court and televise the trial from start to finish. Then, whether POOTWH is found guilty or not, let the ‘Murican people decide whether he’s the repub nominee and POTUS. Then those who elected him own where the nation ends up. This is not on the dems to clean up or to try and avoid in the interest of bipartisanship.

I would argue that there has been very few Watergate Hotel break-ins since Nixon's pardon.  If you are trying to draw a line from Watergate to today's dysfunction, I would argue against that.  There's no direct line.  We returned to political normalcy for 20+ years.  Everything changed with Newt and Rush.  I will also argue the advent of 24 hour news, but that's a little bit of a reach. 

gimmesometruth27

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

So pardon ha! Then why go through the song & dance of investigation’s if all the comes of it is pardons for everyone! Then we are truly fucked if this country has to tip toe around the court yard bully.

Why investigate?  Because the indictment was important.  Thiessen is right, the special counsel could release a full report on situation laying out in detail what happened.  Make a deal with teh senate to do a full oversight hearing, televise it, hammer him.  It could do more than the trial. 

Plus, you all assume that a guilty verdict is coming.  We don't know that.  You only need one juror to blow it up.  That's not a high bar.  A Grand Jury only needs a majority to indict.  

When I have more time to expound on my thoughts, I’ll ask these questions:

What did we get from the senate watergate committee and Ford’s pardon of Tricky Dick?

What did we get from the Iran-Contra hearings and subsequent pardons?

What did we get from the Whitewater special prosecutor investigation and what did it lead to?

What did we get from the Iraq War origin hearings and the subsequent pardon of Scooter Libby?

What did we get from the Benghazi hearings?

What did we get from the 1/6 hearings, a mature, adults in the room, true investigation and accounting for the ‘Murican people?

Put POOTWH on trial, make him appear in court and televise the trial from start to finish. Then, whether POOTWH is found guilty or not, let the ‘Murican people decide whether he’s the repub nominee and POTUS. Then those who elected him own where the nation ends up. This is not on the dems to clean up or to try and avoid in the interest of bipartisanship.

I would argue that there has been very few Watergate Hotel break-ins since Nixon's pardon.  If you are trying to draw a line from Watergate to today's dysfunction, I would argue against that.  There's no direct line.  We returned to political normalcy for 20+ years.  Everything changed with Newt and Rush.  I will also argue the advent of 24 hour news, but that's a little bit of a reach. 

we should not downplay the effect of operatives like the white house plumbers and roger stone. especially stone who was involved with the watergate people and was coincidentally or not so, involved in the maga movement and 1/6.

maybe if someone had paid a price back then instead of gotten a pardon, then maybe things might be different today. these people are emboldened because there is never any real consequence or accountability. 

gimmesometruth27

add to the above, these people feel that they can get away with big crimes, get a long sentence, do a year or 3 in prison, and then get a pardon. it is fucking bullshit how non violent drug offenders serve more time than people involved with ratfucking the entire government.