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Federal judge rejects request from Oregon senators who boycotted Legislature seeking to run in 2024
By CLAIRE RUSH
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PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — A federal judge has rejected a request from Oregon Republican state senators who boycotted the Legislature to be allowed on the ballot after their terms end.
U.S. District Court Judge Ann Aiken issued the decision Wednesday.
State Sens. Dennis Linthicum, Brian Boquist and Cedric Hayden were among the plaintiffs who filed the federal lawsuit to challenge their disqualification from running for reelection under Measure 113. The voter-approved constitutional amendment, which passed by a wide margin last year, bars legislators from seeking reelection after 10 or more unexcused absences.
Each of the three senators racked up more than 10 absences during a record six-week walkout that paralyzed the 2023 legislative session. The boycott stemmed from bills on abortion, transgender health care and guns.
The lawmakers sought, among other things, a preliminary injunction to prevent the secretary of state’s office from enforcing their disqualification from the ballot. The office in September disqualified Linthicum and Boquist from the 2024 ballot, court filings show. Hayden’s term ends in January 2027.
The senators argued that walkouts are a form of political protest protected by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
“The Senators were punished solely for exercising their First Amendment rights,” their attorneys said in court filings.
Aiken disagreed with their claims in her opinion.
"However, these walkouts were not simply protests — they were an exercise of the Senator Plaintiffs’ official power and were meant to deprive the legislature of the power to conduct business,” she wrote.
"Their subsequent disqualification is the effect of Measure 113 working as intended by the voters of Oregon,” she added.
The Oregon Senate and House of Representatives must have two-thirds of their members present in order to have a quorum and conduct business. In recent years, Republicans have protested against Democratic policies by walking out of the Legislature and denying a quorum in a bid to stall bills.
The federal suit named Secretary of State LaVonne Griffin-Valade and Democratic Senate President Rob Wagner as defendants. The senators claimed, among other things, that Wagner violated their First Amendment right to freedom of expression and their Fourteenth Amendment right to due process by marking their absences as unexcused.
Attorneys from Oregon's justice department representing Griffin-Valade and Wagner argued the First Amendment does not protect legislators' refusal to attend legislative floor sessions.
“Under Oregon law, a senator’s absence has an important legal effect: without the attendance of the two-thirds of senators needed to achieve a quorum, the Senate cannot legislate,” they wrote in court filings.
The federal court decision was issued one day before the Oregon Supreme Court heard a separate challenge to the measure. In oral arguments before the state's high court in Salem Thursday, a lawyer for a different group of Republican state senators argued that confusion over the wording of the constitutional amendment means that legislators whose terms end in January can run in 2024.
Griffin-Valade, the secretary of state, is also a defendant in that lawsuit. Earlier this year, she said the boycotting senators were disqualified from seeking reelection in 2024. She directed her office’s elections division to implement an administrative rule to clarify the stance. She said the rule reflected the intent of voters when they approved the measure last year.
All parties in the suit are seeking clarity on the issue before the March 2024 filing deadline for candidates who want to run in next year’s election.
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Another reason I love living in Oregon. Plus, the ballot measures are really engaging for voters and keep stuff interesting.
whats the local vibe in response to these lawsuits?
I’m mostly around liberals but it seems to basically be that it’s something voters wanted and they knew the new rule, so go pound sand. My observation with Oregon republicans/magas in general is that they fixate on Trump and congress, and ignore state reps and just want to blame the dems and the Governor for all their grievances.
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will there be any comment from sitting gop representatives and senators running for re-election ....
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refuses to resign. suspended and pay reduced to $1 a year...
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Imagine this is your future. Imagine this along with book banning or burning. Imagine being outraged at the expression of individualism despite the cost. Well, this is what your future in the US looks like. Because, if you connect the dots, remember the dots? everyone loves dots, its happening. Despite being told it couldn't. Oh BS, our lonely eyes turn to you (please explain how you're okay with Hungary's latest and greatest "adherence" policy, particularly with Orbani Chobani in charge. For life).
The outrage.
In Russia, a celebrity party draws outrage over ‘nude illusion’ theme
RIGA, Latvia — A raunchy celebrity-filled party in Moscow has drawn the ire of Russian politicians and fervent Christian Orthodox activists who are urging law enforcement to punish the event’s guests and organizers for violating laws prohibiting “gay propaganda” — the latest testament to the country’s sharp shift toward a closed-off, conservative society at the behest of President Vladimir Putin.
The party, a costume ball with a “nude illusion” theme hosted Wednesday night by one of Russia’s most popular Instagram influencers, Anastasia Ivleeva, was attended by some of the most prominent Russian celebrities who have remained in the country since the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, including some who have not supported the war.
The guests paid a hefty entrance fee of about $11,000 to frolic in outfits of flesh-colored mesh, lace and lingerie, with Ivleeva wearing a diamond body chain worth about $250,000 and one guest, the rapper Vacio, paying homage to a 1980 Red Hot Chili Peppers record cover featuring the band members wearing nothing but a sock.
On Thursday, the hostess woke up to a barrage of angry statements from officials and activists accusing her of violating restrictive Russian laws that criminalize “public expressions of non-heterosexual orientations” and of being tone-deaf for hosting a lavish party while Russian soldiers continue to attack and die in Ukraine.
The critics urged the authorities to revoke her promotion deal with a national phone carrier, impose hefty fines and launch an investigation into her finances.
“There is a war going on in the country, but these beasts, scum are organizing all this, these brutes who don’t care what’s going on,” one of the leading state television propagandists, Vladimir Solovyov, said in a Telegram post.
A pro-war Telegram channel called Two Majors posted: “These freaks behave this way because the war is somewhere very far away for them.”
The criticism marks a departure from the early war mood of senior Russian officials who tried to assure people the invasion would not affect their daily lives and was bound to deliver a quick victory.
Now as the brutal and grinding war nears its two-year mark, with Russian casualties estimated at more than 300,000 killed or wounded, the public seems to be facing a new demand. Rather than continuing life with permissive indifference, there is pressure to display solemn patriotism in support of what Putin has billed as a near-sacred war for Russia’s existence.
Yekaterina Mizulina, who leads an activist group that seeks to heavily censor Russian internet sites, slammed the party as “a shot in the foot to the entire policy of our state.”
She is the daughter of a firebrand, pro-Putin politician, Yelena Mizulina, who wrote a set of repressive anti-LGBT laws in Russia.
“Our soldiers at the front are definitely not fighting for this,” the younger Mizulina said, adding that she is calling for a “government-level boycott” of the party’s organizers and attendees. “I am absolutely sure of this, having recently talked with wounded soldiers.”
Sorok Sorokov, a radical Orthodox Christian group, said the party was “a feast during the war, which discriminates against the entire government on the eve of the presidential elections.”
Another group with similar views, named Call of the People, sent a request to the prosecutor general’s office demanding a criminal investigation into the alleged violation of a recently expanded anti-LGBT law. In its request, the group said that “kissing men were seen among the guests, and the presence of drugs and underage persons cannot be excluded.”
The group added: “It had everything from outright LGBT propaganda and debauchery to open drunkenness and use of illegal substances.”
A year ago, Putin signed a law making it illegal to promote or “praise” same-sex relationships, to publicly express non-heterosexual orientations, or to suggest that such orientations are “normal.”
In his past two terms as president, Putin has called for “traditional values” to be the cornerstone of Russian society and he has tightened relations between the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church, portraying them as a bulwark against the liberal, decadent, LBGT and gender rights-supporting West.
Some lawmakers called for punishing artists who attended the party Wednesday by banning them from performing during the holiday season, which could cost some millions in revenue. The Russian arts and entertainment industry has experienced a severe crackdown in recent years, with authorities forcing venue owners to ban artists who refuse to pledge loyalty to the Kremlin.
Iveleeva, the host of the party, hit back at the critics. “It was worth it, and I love that after my every party people write comments that this is debauchery, some kind of demonism and Satanism, even though its just people wearing beautiful costumes,” she wrote in a since-deleted Telegram post.
Others openly defended the event. “Where and when adults go with their butts naked is their personal business,” Ksenia Sobchak, a socialite, television presenter and former presidential candidate, wrote in a post Thursday.
The scandal is the latest example of Russian politicians and commentators trying to score points with the Kremlin as the country heads toward a March 2024 presidential election, which Putin is certain to win.
This week, a Russian court fined a television channel $11,000 for spreading “LGBT propaganda” after it aired a decade-old music video featuring singer Nikolai Baskov as a Roman emperor-type ruler attending a bacchanal.
The judge ruled that “the lyrical hero,” portrayed by the singer, expressed “communicative signs of a romantic interpersonal relationship” with another man and his kiss with a female protagonist was not passionate enough.
“It is worth noting that the interaction of the lyrical hero with a female person is predominantly of a detached, contemplative nature,” the judge said, according to Russian news outlet Verstka. “The jealousy of the lyrical hero was aimed not toward the female character, but toward a male character who cheated on the hero with that female.”
See? A dot. "God" forbid you bake them a cake. What's the oath if you do?
In Russia, parents are having gay children abducted to be ‘cured’
MOSCOW — In Russia, where the entire LGBTQ+ community has been banned as “extremist,” some parents are paying thugs to abduct their queer sons and daughters, forcing them into secure private centers to “cure” them with so-called conversion therapy.
Some of these young people are fleeing the country, looking for safety in the West.
Former residents say conditions behind high concrete walls are like small unregulated prisons, designed for alcoholics, drug addicts, or people whose families see them as problems.
Many were tricked or abducted, then held for months. They recounted being beaten, humiliated or forced to read out confessions that they were destructive and selfish because of their “addiction” to their sexual or gender identity — mimicking rigid programs designed to combat drug and alcohol addiction.
Many of them emerged “somehow mentally broken,” believing there was something wrong with them, said Vladimir Komov, who formerly served as a rights lawyer at a prominent LGBTQ+ legal advocacy group DELO LGBT+, which shut its operations last week due to the ban.
A 2020 report by an independent United Nations expert found that conversion therapy was “deeply harmful … inflicting severe pain and suffering and resulting in long-lasting psychological and physical damage.” The report called for a global ban.
In President Vladimir Putin’s move to cement his rule and build a repressive, deeply conservative nation, he has singled out LGBTQ+ people as scapegoats alongside antiwar activists.
But the rhetoric is also part of Putin’s bid to enlist socially conservative nations in Africa and the Middle East to back Russia in its war against Ukraine. At the same, he hopes to divide liberal Western democracies by encouraging antipathy to LGBTQ+ rights.
In a Nov. 30 ruling, Russia’s Supreme Court endorsed a Justice Ministry application to ban the “international LGBT public movement” as an extremist organization, following other repressive laws. After the ruling, police raided LGBTQ+ venues in Moscow.
One movie streaming site, apparently fearing prosecution, placed an adults-only rating on “My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic,” an animated children’s series, likely because of the pony Rainbow Dash’s rainbow mane and tail — the same colors as a Pride flag.
Before its closure, DELO LGBT+ handled 200 monthly requests for legal help from queer people. Of these requests, 7 percent said their families threatened to put them into treatment centers, tried to do so or had done so in the past, the group said.
“After these laws, the number of people facing threats to be put in such institutions has increased,” Komov said.
Ada Blakewell, a 23-year-old transgender nonbinary person, queer activist and journalist, who uses she and they pronouns, underwent nine months of conversion treatment, from August 2022 until May 2023, in a remote treatment center, Freedom Rehabilitation Center, in the Altai region of Siberia.
Blakewell said she was beaten, thrown into a nearby river as punishment and forced to perform physical exercises repeatedly “until all I could see is white and yet they forced me to do it over and over again.”
Those undergoing the treatment had to swim in the river daily at 8 a.m. before morning prayers, even in winter in subfreezing temperatures. She was given “manly” jobs like chopping wood and helping slaughter chickens, turkeys and pigs “to help myself to become a man.”
In one disturbing incident, she was forced to castrate a pig, after being told that she would see what transgender surgery was like.
“I was given a surgical knife and given instructions how to do it,” she said. “But I couldn’t finish it. I had a severe panic attack and from then on, I was getting more and more suicidal.”
She was given neuroleptic drugs, designed for people suffering psychiatric illness.
Alexandra, 28, a Moscow transgender woman whose wealthy parents also rejected her gender identity, was forcibly held in several treatment centers for 21 months.
Alexandra, who agreed to describe her experience on condition that she be identified only by first name, spent 20 months in a center outside Moscow with about 60 other people, mainly drug addicts and alcoholics, which was staffed by former residents, who doled out punishments. They told her being queer was an addiction that would ruin her life.
Alexandra said was so heavily sedated she felt “like a zombie” and was constantly told she was sick. Other residents threatened to kill her. “I felt alone because people around me were from another world,” she said. “People were very distant. I was feeling like I’m canceled. I felt invalid.”
The accounts by Blakewell and by Alexandra could not be independently verified but were consistent with previousaccounts in Russian independent media and by international rights groups about conversion therapy centers in Russia.
Blakewell said she had been tricked into going to the center by her mother, a business executive, who asked her to support her during heart surgery in a rural area of the Altai region. Her mother got out of the car. A hefty, thuggish man then pressed Blakewell against the door, the locks snapped shut and her phone, Apple watch and backpack were taken.
As they drove to the treatment center, the driver told her it was time to atone for being queer, using an offensive epithet. “I still feel really bitter toward my family,” Blakewell said.
Alexandra faced similar deception.
“I didn’t know what to think,” she said. “I was in a really vulnerable state mentally at that time.”
Conversion therapy has been banned in 22 U.S. states and in 12 countries, with many others planning national bans, according to Global Equality Caucus, an international network of lawmakers that supports equal rights for LGBTQ+ people.
Last month, Konstantin Boikov, a lawyer with DELO LGBT+, fled Russia for New York after homophobic threats and abuse. (He does not identify as gay.) Tomatoes and eggs were hurled at his apartment door, and abusive notes and severed chicken heads were also left there.
He said he feared imprisonment by Russian authorities or homophobic violence if he stayed.
“We cannot continue our activity as an organization,” said Boikov, one of five DELO LGBT+ activists now based in New York, who serves as lawyer to both Blakewell and Alexandra as they pursue legal action. “So our members will act individually, helping people as lawyers or human rights activists.” No client will be abandoned, he said.
“The state is trying to convince the population that all the country’s ills all come from these enemies,” Boikov said, “so that people unite around one leader, without thinking.”
Alexandra was freed in June after she broke a staircase fitting and threatened managers that she would continue to break more things unless she was released. Her parents still shun her.
Blakewell escaped a month after she was abducted but was quickly caught and beaten so severely some of her teeth were broken. She tried twice more and was beaten again. She won her freedom by calling police from a staffer’s cellphone that was left lying around, insisting on rescue until they finally came.
Before her imprisonment, Alexandra was proudly transgender. After her freedom, she said she tried to mentally break free of the “conversion” therapy, “but I failed.”
“Today I feel like my transgender identity has some sort of damage,” she said. “It feels painful.”
Oops. A dot. Maybe you get the point. Maybe not. Good luck. And fucking Tejas, what a state. I sure as hope as hell that everyone who lives there is "proud" and proclaims, "don't mess with Tejas." Fuck, this and "show us zee papers" Gubna Abbott&Costello, all "great," right? Fuckin', eh.
Seattle hospital sues Texas AG who sought records of trans minors
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) tried to compel a Seattle hospital to hand over information about gender-affirming treatment Texas youths may have received across state lines, according to court filings, signaling an escalation of his office’s attempts to crack down on Texans’ ability to access such health care.
The Seattle Children’s Hospital requested a Texas judge nullify, or at least rein in, Paxton’s demands, arguing that his office lacks the jurisdiction over the Washington state hospital. In filings this month, the hospital said Paxton’s queries — made under the guise of an investigation by the AG’s consumer protection division — were “sham requests.”
Paxton’s office did not respond to request for comment about the hospital’s filing Thursday.
A spokesperson for Seattle Children’s Hospital declined to comment on the specifics of its legal action. In a statement, the spokesperson said the hospital complies with the law for all heath-care services and “took legal action to protect private patient information related to gender-affirming care services at our organization sought by the Texas Attorney General.”
Conservative lawmakers have driven efforts in recent years to criminalize gender-affirming care with laws similar to ones that restrict abortion access by creating legal liability for health-care providers and the in-state portion of people’s travel for out-of-state care.
Paxton has been at the vanguard of such efforts. Last year, his office investigated clinics in Austin, Dallas and Houston for providing gender-affirming care, leading them to close or stop offering the services. Paxton’s office also requested records from the Texas Department of Public Safety for those who had changed their sex on their driver’s licenses.
Paxton’s legal battle with Seattle Children’s Hospital marks a rare instance of conservative officials reaching the state’s long arm beyond their own borders.
Officials and doctors with Seattle Children’s Hospital signed affidavits saying the hospital has virtually no ties to the state of Texas: The hospital is not incorporated in Texas, does not have bank accounts or property in the state, does not advertise youth gender-affirming care in Texas and does not have physicians or health staffers who provide care in Texas.
PS: an impeached AG running roughshod. But it can't happen here, right?
And here's another dot. Think about it. POOTWH endorses this guy and every repub POS candidate does too, via bootlicking. Please prove me wrong. Chris supporters in particular, I'm looking at you. Soft.
Yup, gays and immigrants. Our demise. Get it yet, or do you need a few more dots?
I think we're in 1938, Dorthy.
News outlets and NGOs condemn Hungary's new 'sovereignty protection' law as a way to silence critics
BUDAPEST, Hungary — Independent media outlets and rights groups on Wednesday condemned legislation passed by Hungary’s right-wing populist government that would allow authorities to investigate and prosecute people accused of undermining the country’s sovereignty.
The coalition government made up of the Fidesz and KDNP parties approved the “sovereignty protection act” on Tuesday. It calls for the creation of a new government authority that will have the power to gather information on any groups or individuals that benefit from foreign funding and that influence public debate.
The measure requires Hungary’s secret services to assist the authority in its investigations and allows prison terms of up to three years for anyone convicted of violated the new law.
Representatives of 10 independent news outlets signed an open letter decrying the law, saying the Hungarian government had unjustly accused them of “serving foreign interests.”
“This is a deliberate lie, which defames not only the newsrooms that do vital work for democracy, but also those Hungarians who watch, listen to and read their content,” the outlets wrote, adding that independent newsrooms in Hungary have been transparent and not benefited from “hidden funds or subsidies.”
Hungary’s government argues that the law is designed to prevent political parties from receiving funding from abroad for election campaigns, as it claims was done by a coalition of six opposition parties before a 2022 parliamentary election that resulted in Orbán handily winning a fourth straight term in power.
In November, Dunja Mijatovic, the Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights, urged Hungary’s government to retract the bill, saying it “poses a significant risk to human rights and should be abandoned.”
If the law was adopted, Mijatovic wrote at the time, it would provide Hungary’s government “with even more opportunity to silence and stigmatize independent voices and opponents.”
A group of Hungarian non-governmental organizations has also condemned the law in a letter signed by seven rights groups, including Amnesty International, Transparency International and the Hungarian Civil Liberties Union.
The groups called the legislation “nothing more than a political propaganda project built upon secret service methods” and charged that it is in violation of Hungary’s constitutional, international and EU obligations. They vowed to take legal action against the law and “provide support and assistance to targeted civil communities, activists and media actors.”
Passage of the law comes as Hungary remains in a protracted struggle with the European Union, which has frozen billions in funding to Budapest over concerns that Orbán’s government has overseen democratic backsliding and trampled on the rights of the LGBTQ+ community and asylum seekers.
In a letter to European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen , the four largest political groupings in the EU’s Parliament urged the commission to abandon a plan to free up a portion of the frozen funds after the Hungarian government made reforms to its judicial system.
The lawmakers pointed to the Hungarian sovereignty law as another sign that Orbán had not changed course, noting that that the new sovereignty authority would be under his direct control and equip him “with sweeping powers without any democratic supervision.”
“It is evident that a fair allocation of EU funds in Hungary is virtually impossible,” the lawmakers wrote.
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We know Biden will be the dem nominee so we’re thinking of registering Rep so we can vote in the primary. Any opinions for/or against would be welcome.
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PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — A federal judge has rejected a request from Oregon Republican state senators who boycotted the Legislature to be allowed on the ballot after their terms end.
U.S. District Court Judge Ann Aiken issued the decision Wednesday.
State Sens. Dennis Linthicum, Brian Boquist and Cedric Hayden were among the plaintiffs who filed the federal lawsuit to challenge their disqualification from running for reelection under Measure 113. The voter-approved constitutional amendment, which passed by a wide margin last year, bars legislators from seeking reelection after 10 or more unexcused absences.
Each of the three senators racked up more than 10 absences during a record six-week walkout that paralyzed the 2023 legislative session. The boycott stemmed from bills on abortion, transgender health care and guns.
The lawmakers sought, among other things, a preliminary injunction to prevent the secretary of state’s office from enforcing their disqualification from the ballot. The office in September disqualified Linthicum and Boquist from the 2024 ballot, court filings show. Hayden’s term ends in January 2027.
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The senators argued that walkouts are a form of political protest protected by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
“The Senators were punished solely for exercising their First Amendment rights,” their attorneys said in court filings.
Aiken disagreed with their claims in her opinion.
"However, these walkouts were not simply protests — they were an exercise of the Senator Plaintiffs’ official power and were meant to deprive the legislature of the power to conduct business,” she wrote.
"Their subsequent disqualification is the effect of Measure 113 working as intended by the voters of Oregon,” she added.
The Oregon Senate and House of Representatives must have two-thirds of their members present in order to have a quorum and conduct business. In recent years, Republicans have protested against Democratic policies by walking out of the Legislature and denying a quorum in a bid to stall bills.
The federal suit named Secretary of State LaVonne Griffin-Valade and Democratic Senate President Rob Wagner as defendants. The senators claimed, among other things, that Wagner violated their First Amendment right to freedom of expression and their Fourteenth Amendment right to due process by marking their absences as unexcused.
Attorneys from Oregon's justice department representing Griffin-Valade and Wagner argued the First Amendment does not protect legislators' refusal to attend legislative floor sessions.
“Under Oregon law, a senator’s absence has an important legal effect: without the attendance of the two-thirds of senators needed to achieve a quorum, the Senate cannot legislate,” they wrote in court filings.
The federal court decision was issued one day before the Oregon Supreme Court heard a separate challenge to the measure. In oral arguments before the state's high court in Salem Thursday, a lawyer for a different group of Republican state senators argued that confusion over the wording of the constitutional amendment means that legislators whose terms end in January can run in 2024.
Griffin-Valade, the secretary of state, is also a defendant in that lawsuit. Earlier this year, she said the boycotting senators were disqualified from seeking reelection in 2024. She directed her office’s elections division to implement an administrative rule to clarify the stance. She said the rule reflected the intent of voters when they approved the measure last year.
All parties in the suit are seeking clarity on the issue before the March 2024 filing deadline for candidates who want to run in next year’s election.
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whats the local vibe in response to these lawsuits?
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The outrage.
In Russia, a celebrity party draws outrage over ‘nude illusion’ theme
RIGA, Latvia — A raunchy celebrity-filled party in Moscow has drawn the ire of Russian politicians and fervent Christian Orthodox activists who are urging law enforcement to punish the event’s guests and organizers for violating laws prohibiting “gay propaganda” — the latest testament to the country’s sharp shift toward a closed-off, conservative society at the behest of President Vladimir Putin.
The party, a costume ball with a “nude illusion” theme hosted Wednesday night by one of Russia’s most popular Instagram influencers, Anastasia Ivleeva, was attended by some of the most prominent Russian celebrities who have remained in the country since the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, including some who have not supported the war.
The guests paid a hefty entrance fee of about $11,000 to frolic in outfits of flesh-colored mesh, lace and lingerie, with Ivleeva wearing a diamond body chain worth about $250,000 and one guest, the rapper Vacio, paying homage to a 1980 Red Hot Chili Peppers record cover featuring the band members wearing nothing but a sock.
On Thursday, the hostess woke up to a barrage of angry statements from officials and activists accusing her of violating restrictive Russian laws that criminalize “public expressions of non-heterosexual orientations” and of being tone-deaf for hosting a lavish party while Russian soldiers continue to attack and die in Ukraine.
The critics urged the authorities to revoke her promotion deal with a national phone carrier, impose hefty fines and launch an investigation into her finances.
“There is a war going on in the country, but these beasts, scum are organizing all this, these brutes who don’t care what’s going on,” one of the leading state television propagandists, Vladimir Solovyov, said in a Telegram post.
A pro-war Telegram channel called Two Majors posted: “These freaks behave this way because the war is somewhere very far away for them.”
The criticism marks a departure from the early war mood of senior Russian officials who tried to assure people the invasion would not affect their daily lives and was bound to deliver a quick victory.
Now as the brutal and grinding war nears its two-year mark, with Russian casualties estimated at more than 300,000 killed or wounded, the public seems to be facing a new demand. Rather than continuing life with permissive indifference, there is pressure to display solemn patriotism in support of what Putin has billed as a near-sacred war for Russia’s existence.
Yekaterina Mizulina, who leads an activist group that seeks to heavily censor Russian internet sites, slammed the party as “a shot in the foot to the entire policy of our state.”
She is the daughter of a firebrand, pro-Putin politician, Yelena Mizulina, who wrote a set of repressive anti-LGBT laws in Russia.
“Our soldiers at the front are definitely not fighting for this,” the younger Mizulina said, adding that she is calling for a “government-level boycott” of the party’s organizers and attendees. “I am absolutely sure of this, having recently talked with wounded soldiers.”
Sorok Sorokov, a radical Orthodox Christian group, said the party was “a feast during the war, which discriminates against the entire government on the eve of the presidential elections.”
Another group with similar views, named Call of the People, sent a request to the prosecutor general’s office demanding a criminal investigation into the alleged violation of a recently expanded anti-LGBT law. In its request, the group said that “kissing men were seen among the guests, and the presence of drugs and underage persons cannot be excluded.”
The group added: “It had everything from outright LGBT propaganda and debauchery to open drunkenness and use of illegal substances.”
A year ago, Putin signed a law making it illegal to promote or “praise” same-sex relationships, to publicly express non-heterosexual orientations, or to suggest that such orientations are “normal.”
In his past two terms as president, Putin has called for “traditional values” to be the cornerstone of Russian society and he has tightened relations between the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church, portraying them as a bulwark against the liberal, decadent, LBGT and gender rights-supporting West.
Some lawmakers called for punishing artists who attended the party Wednesday by banning them from performing during the holiday season, which could cost some millions in revenue. The Russian arts and entertainment industry has experienced a severe crackdown in recent years, with authorities forcing venue owners to ban artists who refuse to pledge loyalty to the Kremlin.
Iveleeva, the host of the party, hit back at the critics. “It was worth it, and I love that after my every party people write comments that this is debauchery, some kind of demonism and Satanism, even though its just people wearing beautiful costumes,” she wrote in a since-deleted Telegram post.
Others openly defended the event. “Where and when adults go with their butts naked is their personal business,” Ksenia Sobchak, a socialite, television presenter and former presidential candidate, wrote in a post Thursday.
The scandal is the latest example of Russian politicians and commentators trying to score points with the Kremlin as the country heads toward a March 2024 presidential election, which Putin is certain to win.
This week, a Russian court fined a television channel $11,000 for spreading “LGBT propaganda” after it aired a decade-old music video featuring singer Nikolai Baskov as a Roman emperor-type ruler attending a bacchanal.
The judge ruled that “the lyrical hero,” portrayed by the singer, expressed “communicative signs of a romantic interpersonal relationship” with another man and his kiss with a female protagonist was not passionate enough.
“It is worth noting that the interaction of the lyrical hero with a female person is predominantly of a detached, contemplative nature,” the judge said, according to Russian news outlet Verstka. “The jealousy of the lyrical hero was aimed not toward the female character, but toward a male character who cheated on the hero with that female.”
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In Russia, parents are having gay children abducted to be ‘cured’
MOSCOW — In Russia, where the entire LGBTQ+ community has been banned as “extremist,” some parents are paying thugs to abduct their queer sons and daughters, forcing them into secure private centers to “cure” them with so-called conversion therapy.
Some of these young people are fleeing the country, looking for safety in the West.
Former residents say conditions behind high concrete walls are like small unregulated prisons, designed for alcoholics, drug addicts, or people whose families see them as problems.
Many were tricked or abducted, then held for months. They recounted being beaten, humiliated or forced to read out confessions that they were destructive and selfish because of their “addiction” to their sexual or gender identity — mimicking rigid programs designed to combat drug and alcohol addiction.
Many of them emerged “somehow mentally broken,” believing there was something wrong with them, said Vladimir Komov, who formerly served as a rights lawyer at a prominent LGBTQ+ legal advocacy group DELO LGBT+, which shut its operations last week due to the ban.
A 2020 report by an independent United Nations expert found that conversion therapy was “deeply harmful … inflicting severe pain and suffering and resulting in long-lasting psychological and physical damage.” The report called for a global ban.
In time of war, Russia turns up aggression on transgender citizens
In President Vladimir Putin’s move to cement his rule and build a repressive, deeply conservative nation, he has singled out LGBTQ+ people as scapegoats alongside antiwar activists.
But the rhetoric is also part of Putin’s bid to enlist socially conservative nations in Africa and the Middle East to back Russia in its war against Ukraine. At the same, he hopes to divide liberal Western democracies by encouraging antipathy to LGBTQ+ rights.
In a Nov. 30 ruling, Russia’s Supreme Court endorsed a Justice Ministry application to ban the “international LGBT public movement” as an extremist organization, following other repressive laws. After the ruling, police raided LGBTQ+ venues in Moscow.
One movie streaming site, apparently fearing prosecution, placed an adults-only rating on “My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic,” an animated children’s series, likely because of the pony Rainbow Dash’s rainbow mane and tail — the same colors as a Pride flag.
Before its closure, DELO LGBT+ handled 200 monthly requests for legal help from queer people. Of these requests, 7 percent said their families threatened to put them into treatment centers, tried to do so or had done so in the past, the group said.
“After these laws, the number of people facing threats to be put in such institutions has increased,” Komov said.
Ada Blakewell, a 23-year-old transgender nonbinary person, queer activist and journalist, who uses she and they pronouns, underwent nine months of conversion treatment, from August 2022 until May 2023, in a remote treatment center, Freedom Rehabilitation Center, in the Altai region of Siberia.
Blakewell said she was beaten, thrown into a nearby river as punishment and forced to perform physical exercises repeatedly “until all I could see is white and yet they forced me to do it over and over again.”
Those undergoing the treatment had to swim in the river daily at 8 a.m. before morning prayers, even in winter in subfreezing temperatures. She was given “manly” jobs like chopping wood and helping slaughter chickens, turkeys and pigs “to help myself to become a man.”
In one disturbing incident, she was forced to castrate a pig, after being told that she would see what transgender surgery was like.
“I was given a surgical knife and given instructions how to do it,” she said. “But I couldn’t finish it. I had a severe panic attack and from then on, I was getting more and more suicidal.”
She was given neuroleptic drugs, designed for people suffering psychiatric illness.
Alexandra, 28, a Moscow transgender woman whose wealthy parents also rejected her gender identity, was forcibly held in several treatment centers for 21 months.
Alexandra, who agreed to describe her experience on condition that she be identified only by first name, spent 20 months in a center outside Moscow with about 60 other people, mainly drug addicts and alcoholics, which was staffed by former residents, who doled out punishments. They told her being queer was an addiction that would ruin her life.
Alexandra said was so heavily sedated she felt “like a zombie” and was constantly told she was sick. Other residents threatened to kill her. “I felt alone because people around me were from another world,” she said. “People were very distant. I was feeling like I’m canceled. I felt invalid.”
The accounts by Blakewell and by Alexandra could not be independently verified but were consistent with previous accounts in Russian independent media and by international rights groups about conversion therapy centers in Russia.
Blakewell said she had been tricked into going to the center by her mother, a business executive, who asked her to support her during heart surgery in a rural area of the Altai region. Her mother got out of the car. A hefty, thuggish man then pressed Blakewell against the door, the locks snapped shut and her phone, Apple watch and backpack were taken.
As they drove to the treatment center, the driver told her it was time to atone for being queer, using an offensive epithet. “I still feel really bitter toward my family,” Blakewell said.
Alexandra faced similar deception.
“I didn’t know what to think,” she said. “I was in a really vulnerable state mentally at that time.”
Conversion therapy has been banned in 22 U.S. states and in 12 countries, with many others planning national bans, according to Global Equality Caucus, an international network of lawmakers that supports equal rights for LGBTQ+ people.
Last month, Konstantin Boikov, a lawyer with DELO LGBT+, fled Russia for New York after homophobic threats and abuse. (He does not identify as gay.) Tomatoes and eggs were hurled at his apartment door, and abusive notes and severed chicken heads were also left there.
He said he feared imprisonment by Russian authorities or homophobic violence if he stayed.
“We cannot continue our activity as an organization,” said Boikov, one of five DELO LGBT+ activists now based in New York, who serves as lawyer to both Blakewell and Alexandra as they pursue legal action. “So our members will act individually, helping people as lawyers or human rights activists.” No client will be abandoned, he said.
“The state is trying to convince the population that all the country’s ills all come from these enemies,” Boikov said, “so that people unite around one leader, without thinking.”
Alexandra was freed in June after she broke a staircase fitting and threatened managers that she would continue to break more things unless she was released. Her parents still shun her.
Blakewell escaped a month after she was abducted but was quickly caught and beaten so severely some of her teeth were broken. She tried twice more and was beaten again. She won her freedom by calling police from a staffer’s cellphone that was left lying around, insisting on rescue until they finally came.
Before her imprisonment, Alexandra was proudly transgender. After her freedom, she said she tried to mentally break free of the “conversion” therapy, “but I failed.”
“Today I feel like my transgender identity has some sort of damage,” she said. “It feels painful.”
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Seattle hospital sues Texas AG who sought records of trans minors
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) tried to compel a Seattle hospital to hand over information about gender-affirming treatment Texas youths may have received across state lines, according to court filings, signaling an escalation of his office’s attempts to crack down on Texans’ ability to access such health care.
The Seattle Children’s Hospital requested a Texas judge nullify, or at least rein in, Paxton’s demands, arguing that his office lacks the jurisdiction over the Washington state hospital. In filings this month, the hospital said Paxton’s queries — made under the guise of an investigation by the AG’s consumer protection division — were “sham requests.”
Paxton’s office did not respond to request for comment about the hospital’s filing Thursday.
A spokesperson for Seattle Children’s Hospital declined to comment on the specifics of its legal action. In a statement, the spokesperson said the hospital complies with the law for all heath-care services and “took legal action to protect private patient information related to gender-affirming care services at our organization sought by the Texas Attorney General.”
Conservative lawmakers have driven efforts in recent years to criminalize gender-affirming care with laws similar to ones that restrict abortion access by creating legal liability for health-care providers and the in-state portion of people’s travel for out-of-state care.
Paxton has been at the vanguard of such efforts. Last year, his office investigated clinics in Austin, Dallas and Houston for providing gender-affirming care, leading them to close or stop offering the services. Paxton’s office also requested records from the Texas Department of Public Safety for those who had changed their sex on their driver’s licenses.
Paxton’s legal battle with Seattle Children’s Hospital marks a rare instance of conservative officials reaching the state’s long arm beyond their own borders.
Officials and doctors with Seattle Children’s Hospital signed affidavits saying the hospital has virtually no ties to the state of Texas: The hospital is not incorporated in Texas, does not have bank accounts or property in the state, does not advertise youth gender-affirming care in Texas and does not have physicians or health staffers who provide care in Texas.
PS: an impeached AG running roughshod. But it can't happen here, right?
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Yup, gays and immigrants. Our demise. Get it yet, or do you need a few more dots?
I think we're in 1938, Dorthy.
News outlets and NGOs condemn Hungary's new 'sovereignty protection' law as a way to silence critics
BUDAPEST, Hungary — Independent media outlets and rights groups on Wednesday condemned legislation passed by Hungary’s right-wing populist government that would allow authorities to investigate and prosecute people accused of undermining the country’s sovereignty.
The coalition government made up of the Fidesz and KDNP parties approved the “sovereignty protection act” on Tuesday. It calls for the creation of a new government authority that will have the power to gather information on any groups or individuals that benefit from foreign funding and that influence public debate.
The measure requires Hungary’s secret services to assist the authority in its investigations and allows prison terms of up to three years for anyone convicted of violated the new law.
Opponents of the legislation have compared it to Russia's “foreign agent” law and say its broad language can be used to arbitrarily target government critics. The country’s right-wing prime minister, Viktor Orbán, has long been accused of taking over the majority of Hungary's media and building an autocratic political system that undermines democratic norms.
Representatives of 10 independent news outlets signed an open letter decrying the law, saying the Hungarian government had unjustly accused them of “serving foreign interests.”
“This is a deliberate lie, which defames not only the newsrooms that do vital work for democracy, but also those Hungarians who watch, listen to and read their content,” the outlets wrote, adding that independent newsrooms in Hungary have been transparent and not benefited from “hidden funds or subsidies.”
Hungary’s government argues that the law is designed to prevent political parties from receiving funding from abroad for election campaigns, as it claims was done by a coalition of six opposition parties before a 2022 parliamentary election that resulted in Orbán handily winning a fourth straight term in power.
In November, Dunja Mijatovic, the Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights, urged Hungary’s government to retract the bill, saying it “poses a significant risk to human rights and should be abandoned.”
If the law was adopted, Mijatovic wrote at the time, it would provide Hungary’s government “with even more opportunity to silence and stigmatize independent voices and opponents.”
A group of Hungarian non-governmental organizations has also condemned the law in a letter signed by seven rights groups, including Amnesty International, Transparency International and the Hungarian Civil Liberties Union.
The groups called the legislation “nothing more than a political propaganda project built upon secret service methods” and charged that it is in violation of Hungary’s constitutional, international and EU obligations. They vowed to take legal action against the law and “provide support and assistance to targeted civil communities, activists and media actors.”
Passage of the law comes as Hungary remains in a protracted struggle with the European Union, which has frozen billions in funding to Budapest over concerns that Orbán’s government has overseen democratic backsliding and trampled on the rights of the LGBTQ+ community and asylum seekers.
In a letter to European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen , the four largest political groupings in the EU’s Parliament urged the commission to abandon a plan to free up a portion of the frozen funds after the Hungarian government made reforms to its judicial system.
The lawmakers pointed to the Hungarian sovereignty law as another sign that Orbán had not changed course, noting that that the new sovereignty authority would be under his direct control and equip him “with sweeping powers without any democratic supervision.”
“It is evident that a fair allocation of EU funds in Hungary is virtually impossible,” the lawmakers wrote.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14