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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    edited September 2023
    JB16057 said:
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    Further evidence that these deplorables are deep into the cult. In a way, how can you blame them when the evangelical leadership speaks as if he’s god’s chosen one? These people are dangerous and aren’t going away. Until the rapture.
    The other takeaway from this poll is that 63% of Democrats think that Biden is a person of faith. Talk about pinnacle of stupid....
    You just ignore reality slapping you in the face. How can you lie like this so regularly? There are pictures and videos of Biden in church ALL THE TIME. When was the last time you saw Trump in church for something other than a political event? Good god. 
    The reality is that just because someone goes to church, does not make them a person of faith. Joe Biden believes in abortion. He also believes in mutilating children through gender surgery. Is this what the Catholic's preach? The same Catholic church that has sexually abused multiple children..... Wait.... I just had an epiphany.... It all makes perfect sense now. Biden likes little kids too!!
    Oooooh, oh no! Regular church goer Biden believes in a woman's right to have control over her own body! I am so appalled! 

    Dude, Donald Trump has likely paid for multiple abortions.
    Donald Trump has joked, on the air to Howard Stern, about aborting one of his own children.
    Donald Trump also raped his wife.
    Donald Trump also raped E Jean Carol.
    Donald Trump has talked about having sex with his daughter.
    Donald Trump has been accused of sexual assault by dozens of women.
    Donald Trump regularly walked into dressing rooms of half naked young women during the Miss USA Pageants and bragged about it later on the radio.
    Donald Trump was good friends with Jeffrey Epstein.
    Donald Trump f*cked a porn star weeks after his third wife gave birth to their son. 

    The list...it goes on and on and on and on. But, oh no! Joe Biden is pro choice! The horror! Most of the country is too, hence the red wave not materializing last year. 

    And I hate to break it to you but a lot of Catholics, like myself, are also pro choice: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/05/23/like-americans-overall-catholics-vary-in-their-abortion-views-with-regular-mass-attenders-most-opposed/

    But, yeah go ahead and keep pretending Trump's a good god fearing Christian and keep looking the other way over things you would absolutely lose your mind over if Biden had done them. Your hypocrisy fits in perfectly with maga.
    I never once said Trump was religious. You waste so much time putting words into my mouth.... I hope it is worth it. 
    Awww, that's a cute deflection. Was that too many words for you? Would you like a cartoon next time?

    The point is you overlook a million different things that would make your head explode into a million different pieces if you just had a scintilla's worth of objectivity and were not dripping with hypocrisy. This is what's wrong with the discourse in this country. Nothing but disingenuous bullshit as perfectly demonstrated here. 
    It's not that I overlook what you said. I was not trying to make the point that Trump was religious and I don't believe that he is. That's not being disingenuous. I don't like Trump and it doesn't matter how much I say that, you don't believe what I say. 
    You made the choice to bring up Biden, in the GOP thread, regarding the fact that that maga republicans believe Trump is more religious than overly religious Mike Pence. That was the choice you made, JB. You used to pretend to be a big believer in thread integrity. What happened, my man?! 

    So, yes, rather than addressing the subject matter, you deflected by insinuating Biden is not a man of faith despite regularly attending church. If you were a man of moral conviction and not a hypocritical disingenuous maga troll, you'd talk about the subject matter and why you all overlook all of these things that would make your heads explode if Biden did them. And you can deflect further by saying you don't like Trump but you voted for him twice and will again despite everything we know. Sorry bud, that's your guy and the leader of your party. 
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  • 30% cuts across the board? How lazy is that? Good lord. It’s about time for Brandon to start slow walking some things in those Freedumb Caucsuckers’s districts. 
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  • why would any assume Biden ISN'T religious? the guy goes to church literally every sunday. is it because he doesn't invoke jesus into every policy conversation like far right R's do? some don't make their entire identity, just FYI. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,143
    why would any assume Biden ISN'T religious? the guy goes to church literally every sunday. is it because he doesn't invoke jesus into every policy conversation like far right R's do? some don't make their entire identity, just FYI. 
    I think sometimes people mix up "will they help make this a Christian country?" with "are they religious?"  That mix-up may be intentional, as well (i.e., what do I care if Trump's not religious, when he's still willing to serve the wishes of the religious?")

    Biden might be old and tired, but I would have to think he'd mop the floor with Trump in a "Bible Trivia" contest. As an agnostic, I think my beliefs (or lackthereof) are more similar to Trump's than Biden's. That said, Biden's actions far better represent my secular outlook. Trump, who I think of as something in the neighborhood of agnostic (not that I actually know) uses the religious right just as much as they use him.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Further evidence that these deplorables are deep into the cult. In a way, how can you blame them when the evangelical leadership speaks as if he’s god’s chosen one? These people are dangerous and aren’t going away. Until the rapture.
    The other takeaway from this poll is that 63% of Democrats think that Biden is a person of faith. Talk about pinnacle of stupid....
    You just ignore reality slapping you in the face. How can you lie like this so regularly? There are pictures and videos of Biden in church ALL THE TIME. When was the last time you saw Trump in church for something other than a political event? Good god. 
    The reality is that just because someone goes to church, does not make them a person of faith. Joe Biden believes in abortion. He also believes in mutilating children through gender surgery. Is this what the Catholic's preach? The same Catholic church that has sexually abused multiple children..... Wait.... I just had an epiphany.... It all makes perfect sense now. Biden likes little kids too!!
    nobody believes in abortion. people believe in choice and the right to body autonomy. i do not think you understand the concept of choice based on your reply to me in the biden thread. forced birth is not a choice.

    There are women that use abortion as birth control. Those women BELIEVE in abortion. To say that nobody "believes" in abortion is false. 

    I do understand the concept of choice and I actually believe in it. I was pointing out one of Trump's accomplishments because he looks stupid. Abortion should be a state issue and now it is. You're welcome! You'll have to live with that for a very long time so get used to it!

    Personally, I think that there should be reasonable limits to abortion. Free reign abortion is not the way to go and yes, there are plenty of people that support that because they BELIEVE in abortion. 
    there are very few women that use abortion as birth control. turn off fox and newsmax.

    also, your party is full of stupid people that believe abortions happen up until birth and even after birth. this is not the case. most people believe abortion should not occur in the 3rd trimester. free reign abortion is not and has never been a thing.

    maybe try talking to women about this. they will tell you that willy nilly abortion for birth control is basically a myth.

    and I think the phrase " believe in abortion" is missing a couple words.

    "BELIEVE IN THE RIGHT TO ABORTION"
    Ha that's what I thought. Abortion is real whether you believe in it or not, unlike those stories they tell in church.
    So, so true .

    I believe in abortion.  I believe in pretty theft,  genocide,  etc. I really think these things exist. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,602
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Further evidence that these deplorables are deep into the cult. In a way, how can you blame them when the evangelical leadership speaks as if he’s god’s chosen one? These people are dangerous and aren’t going away. Until the rapture.
    The other takeaway from this poll is that 63% of Democrats think that Biden is a person of faith. Talk about pinnacle of stupid....
    You just ignore reality slapping you in the face. How can you lie like this so regularly? There are pictures and videos of Biden in church ALL THE TIME. When was the last time you saw Trump in church for something other than a political event? Good god. 
    The reality is that just because someone goes to church, does not make them a person of faith. Joe Biden believes in abortion. He also believes in mutilating children through gender surgery. Is this what the Catholic's preach? The same Catholic church that has sexually abused multiple children..... Wait.... I just had an epiphany.... It all makes perfect sense now. Biden likes little kids too!!
    nobody believes in abortion. people believe in choice and the right to body autonomy. i do not think you understand the concept of choice based on your reply to me in the biden thread. forced birth is not a choice.

    There are women that use abortion as birth control. Those women BELIEVE in abortion. To say that nobody "believes" in abortion is false. 

    I do understand the concept of choice and I actually believe in it. I was pointing out one of Trump's accomplishments because he looks stupid. Abortion should be a state issue and now it is. You're welcome! You'll have to live with that for a very long time so get used to it!

    Personally, I think that there should be reasonable limits to abortion. Free reign abortion is not the way to go and yes, there are plenty of people that support that because they BELIEVE in abortion. 
    there are very few women that use abortion as birth control. turn off fox and newsmax.

    also, your party is full of stupid people that believe abortions happen up until birth and even after birth. this is not the case. most people believe abortion should not occur in the 3rd trimester. free reign abortion is not and has never been a thing.

    maybe try talking to women about this. they will tell you that willy nilly abortion for birth control is basically a myth.

    and I think the phrase " believe in abortion" is missing a couple words.

    "BELIEVE IN THE RIGHT TO ABORTION"
    Ha that's what I thought. Abortion is real whether you believe in it or not, unlike those stories they tell in church.
    So, so true .

    I believe in abortion.  I believe in pretty theft,  genocide,  etc. I really think these things exist. 

    how about ugly theft?
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,639
    JB16057 said:
    I think the GOP pro-life BS was brought on to gain the religious vote. Much like anti-immigration was brought on to obtain the white supremacy vote. The party is in its death throes....the sooner the better.
    Is Eric Adams pushing that white supremacy vote now that he's pushing back against our open borders? The amount of immigrants coming into the US is unsustainable. 


    So fix the problems that the US creates that cause desperate people to seek refuge here. Stop sending American guns south and importing drugs north. Thinking a wall stops this is absurd.


  • mrussel1 said:
    Check the link. Former chief legal counsel to a Senator Chuck Assley from Iowa, working on judicial appointments for SCOTUS and federal bench. Whether he’s joking or not, he’s advocating all the things that POOTWH has been advocating for and is running on, round ups, deportations, appointments of those loyal, arrest of political opponents, etc. Basically, normalizing authoritarianism.

    People better wake up.
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  • What a fucking joke. 5 pages in and I can see that. These people are not serious. At all. Good. Fucking. Luck.

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,602
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    What a fucking joke. 5 pages in and I can see that. These people are not serious. At all. Good. Fucking. Luck.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24001822-house-short-term-spending-bill

    got as far as that international drug interdiction part. cutting 300 millon? wtaf?
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    seems to me mccarthy is on the block regardless.  so have a little bit of integrity and honor the May budget deal and pass with the moderates and the dems. chips fall wherethey may....
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  • So now senate republicans say no go on the bill 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    surprised he could articulate that with fucksticks dick in his mouth

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  • mickeyrat said:
    surprised he could articulate that with fucksticks dick in his mouth

    Yeah but she should of had the full context of the statements made by Trumpolinni to really put him on the spot 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    shameful. will be the same fucking bullshit in Nov...

    https://apnews.com/article/government-shutdown-mccarthy-congress-republicans-732baaa19c91f981e492fd0e6a76aba8   On the brink of a federal shutdown, the House passes a 45-day funding plan and sends it to Senate

     
    On the brink of a federal shutdown, the House passes a 45-day funding plan and sends it to Senate
    By LISA MASCARO, KEVIN FREKING and STEPHEN GROVES
    2 mins ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — On the brink of a federal government shutdown, the House on Saturday swiftly approved a 45-day funding bill to keep federal agencies open as Speaker Kevin McCarthy dropped demands for steep spending cuts and relied on Democratic votes for passage to send the package to the Senate.

    The new approach would leave behind aid to Ukraine, a White House priority opposed by a growing number of GOP lawmakers, but the plan would increase federal disaster assistance by $16 billion, meeting President Joe Biden’s full request. The package was approved 335-91, with most Republicans and almost all Democrats supporting.

    With hours to go before the midnight deadline to fund the government, the Senate was also in for a rare weekend session and prepared to act next.

    “We’re going to do our job,” McCarthy said before the House vote. “We’re going to be adults in the room. And we’re going to keep government open.”

    With no deal in place before Sunday, federal workers will face furloughs, more than 2 million active-duty and reserve military troops will work without pay and programs and services that Americans rely on from coast to coast will begin to face shutdown disruptions.

    The House measure would fund government at current 2023 levels for 45 days, through Nov. 17, moving closer to the bipartisan approach in the Senate. But the Senate package would have added $6 billion for Ukraine to fight the war against Russia and $6 billion for U.S. disaster relief.

    Both chambers came to a standstill as lawmakers assessed their options, some decrying the loss of Ukraine aid.

    "The American people deserve better," said House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries of New York, warning in a lengthy floor speech that “extreme" Republicans were risking shutdown.

    For the House package to be approved, McCarthy, R-Calif., was forced to rely on Democrats because the speaker's hard-right flank has said it will oppose any short-term measure, risking his job amid calls for his ouster. Republicans hold a slim majority.

    After leaving his right-flank behind, McCarthy is almost certain to be facing a motion to try to remove from office, though it is not at all certain there would be enough votes to topple the speaker. Most Republicans backed the package Saturday while fewer than half opposed.

    "If somebody wants to remove me because I want to be the adult in the room, go ahead and try,” McCarthy said of the threat to oust him. “But I think this country is too important.”

    The White House was tracking the developments on Capitol Hill and aides were briefing the president, who was spending the weekend in Washington.

    The quick pivot comes after the collapse Friday of McCarthy's earlier plan to pass a Republican-only bill with steep spending cuts up to 30% to most government agencies that the White House and Democrats rejected as too extreme.

    "Our options are slipping away every minute,” said one senior Republican, Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart of Florida.

    The federal government is heading straight into a shutdown that poses grave uncertainty for federal workers in states all across America and the people who depend on them — from troops to border control agents to office workers, scientists and others.

    Families that rely on Head Start for children, food benefits and countless other programs large and small are confronting potential interruptions or outright closures. At the airports, Transportation Security Administration officers and air traffic controllers are expected to work without pay, but travelers could face delays in updating their U.S. passports or other travel documents.

    An earlier McCarthy plan to keep the government open collapsed Friday due to opposition from a faction of 21 hard-right holdouts despite steep spending cuts of nearly 30% to many agencies and severe border security provisions.

    The White House has brushed aside McCarthy's overtures to meet with Biden after the speaker walked away from the debt deal they brokered earlier this year that set budget levels.

    Catering to his hard-right flank, McCarthy had returned to the spending limits the conservatives demanded back in January as part of the deal-making to help him become the House speaker.

    After Friday's vote, McCarthy’s chief Republican critic, Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, said the speaker's bill “went down in flames as I’ve told you all week it would.”

    Gaetz has warned he will file a motion calling a vote to oust the speaker.

    Some of the Republican holdouts, including Gaetz, are allies of former President Donald Trump, who is Biden's chief rival in the 2024 race. Trump has been encouraging the Republicans to fight hard for their priorities and even to “shut it down.”

    At an early closed-door meeting at the Capitol, several House Republicans, particularly those facing tough re-elections next year, urged their colleagues to find a way to prevent a shutdown.

    “All of us have a responsibility to lead and to govern,” said Republican Rep. Mike Lawler of New York.

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    Associated Press writer Colleen Long contributed to this report.


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